[FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Jon Zingale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uhhAXd7PI&ab_channel=ElliotWaite

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Russ Abbott]

Very nice. Part of the trick is that when a cell dies in the 2D space (Game
of Life), it fades to black rather than goes black immediately.

-- Russ Abbott
Professor Emeritus, Computer Science
California State University, Los Angeles


On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 2:49 PM Jon Zingale  wrote:

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Jon Zingale]

"""
Very nice. Part of the trick is that when a cell dies in the 2D space (Game of
Life), it fades to black rather than goes black immediately.

"""

Yeah, that is a very nice feature. I like that the "fade" is also a
seemingly random fade through the RGB. It would be really cool to have
a side scrolling video game with this as the procedurally generated
background. I cannot help but create my own narrative for what is
"happening", like those old psychology videos with the triangles. Here
I imagine the earth churning and finally giving rise to life and then
the gliders making there way off planet.

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Steve Smith]

Jon -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uhhAXd7PI&ab_channel=ElliotWaite
> 

I never cease to be surprised and fascinated watching simple rules
generate complex structure and dynamics.

I had a lot of complex reactions to this but I won't waste anyone's
bandwidth with my reflective rambling... 

Thanks for sharing...

- Steve



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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Jon Zingale]

"...but I won't waste anyone's bandwidth with my reflective rambling..."


Wait, no, please, more reflective rambling.

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Jochen Fromm]

"Bandwidth" sounds as if there are robots among us who are listening. Amazon 
offers now an "Astro" robot - a tablet attached to a vacuum cleaner body. What 
do you think of it, would you buy one? ZDNet says it costs about 
$1500https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NSDFSB-J.
 Original message From: Jon Zingale  
Date: 9/30/21  01:04  (GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A 
pretty cellular automata video "...but I won't waste anyone's bandwidth with my 
reflective rambling..."Wait, no, please, more reflective rambling.

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Curt McNamara]

In Siobhan Roberts' biography of Conway she summarizes how it took months
(or perhaps years) to work through different sets of rules for the game of
life. The goal was to find ones that produced Interesting behavior.

This was done by his group, and by hand as computers weren't readily
available. Years later enough simulations had been run to prove it was a
universal Turing machine.

The game eventually started to bother him as his other work was much more
significant and got less attention.

Her book on Coxeter is also excellent.

   Curt

https://siobhanroberts.com/




On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 3:33 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

> Jon -
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uhhAXd7PI&ab_channel=ElliotWaite
>
>
> I never cease to be surprised and fascinated watching simple rules
> generate complex structure and dynamics.
>
> I had a lot of complex reactions to this but I won't waste anyone's
> bandwidth with my reflective rambling...
>
> Thanks for sharing...
>
> - Steve
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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Steve Smith]

We do have a robotic vacuum who we have personified somewhat...   the
Cat ignores it, the Dog was constantly needing to nip at it, but backed
off anytime it changed course when it was near her.   It is far from
Rosie (Jetsons).  But I suppose I might upgrade to Astro.

A friend made the observation not that long ago, that the legacy of Homo
Faber has been to constantly create technology to replace ourselves.  
First it was a more robust/warmer skin cover, better cutting/rending
items than our teeth and claws, augmentation of heavy labor,
transportation, etc...  now we have machines we hope will think for us
and make better decisions.   And by machines, I don't mean *just*
mechanical devices, but also systems including human-facilitated
bureaucracy/governing, etc.

It seems like in the limit it makes posthumanism (human extinction) the
ultimate outcome?


> "Bandwidth" sounds as if there are robots among us who are listening.
> Amazon offers now an "Astro" robot - a tablet attached to a vacuum
> cleaner body. What do you think of it, would you buy one? ZDNet says
> it costs about $1500
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NSDFSB
>
> -J.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Jon Zingale 
> Date: 9/30/21 01:04 (GMT+01:00)
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video
>
> "...but I won't waste anyone's bandwidth with my reflective rambling..."
> Wait, no, please, more reflective rambling.
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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Marcus Daniels]

I’ve got a big bin of old hard drives that I dig through and find this or that 
from time to time.   I mostly don’t need any of it.   I imagine it will be that 
way too for transhuman upgrades.   Once there are better codes and better 
hardware, the old ways just seem so unnecessary. I know someone is going to 
say, but that PTSD is part of YOU.   Is it, or is it better to start fresh from 
a curated subset?   Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind comes to mind here..

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:16 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video


We do have a robotic vacuum who we have personified somewhat...   the Cat 
ignores it, the Dog was constantly needing to nip at it, but backed off anytime 
it changed course when it was near her.   It is far from Rosie (Jetsons).  But 
I suppose I might upgrade to Astro.

A friend made the observation not that long ago, that the legacy of Homo Faber 
has been to constantly create technology to replace ourselves.   First it was a 
more robust/warmer skin cover, better cutting/rending items than our teeth and 
claws, augmentation of heavy labor, transportation, etc...  now we have 
machines we hope will think for us and make better decisions.   And by 
machines, I don't mean *just* mechanical devices, but also systems including 
human-facilitated bureaucracy/governing, etc.

It seems like in the limit it makes posthumanism (human extinction) the 
ultimate outcome?


"Bandwidth" sounds as if there are robots among us who are listening. Amazon 
offers now an "Astro" robot - a tablet attached to a vacuum cleaner body. What 
do you think of it, would you buy one? ZDNet says it costs about $1500
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NSDFSB

-J.


 Original message 
From: Jon Zingale <mailto:jonzing...@gmail.com>
Date: 9/30/21 01:04 (GMT+01:00)
To: friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video


"...but I won't waste anyone's bandwidth with my reflective rambling..."



Wait, no, please, more reflective rambling.





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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Gary Schiltz]

I frankly can't imagine our "species" (Homo faber) surviving our own short
sightedness long enough to make it to posthumanism. I suspect that Homo
sapiens will survive the environmental apocalypse to come, but that the
majority of our highly interdependent society will quickly fall apart. IMHO.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:46 AM Steve Smith  wrote:

> We do have a robotic vacuum who we have personified somewhat...   the Cat
> ignores it, the Dog was constantly needing to nip at it, but backed off
> anytime it changed course when it was near her.   It is far from Rosie
> (Jetsons).  But I suppose I might upgrade to Astro.
>
> A friend made the observation not that long ago, that the legacy of Homo
> Faber has been to constantly create technology to replace ourselves.
> First it was a more robust/warmer skin cover, better cutting/rending items
> than our teeth and claws, augmentation of heavy labor, transportation,
> etc...  now we have machines we hope will think for us and make better
> decisions.   And by machines, I don't mean *just* mechanical devices, but
> also systems including human-facilitated bureaucracy/governing, etc.
>
> It seems like in the limit it makes posthumanism (human extinction) the
> ultimate outcome?
>
>
> "Bandwidth" sounds as if there are robots among us who are listening.
> Amazon offers now an "Astro" robot - a tablet attached to a vacuum cleaner
> body. What do you think of it, would you buy one? ZDNet says it costs about
> $1500
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NSDFSB
>
> -J.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Jon Zingale  
> Date: 9/30/21 01:04 (GMT+01:00)
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video
>
> "...but I won't waste anyone's bandwidth with my reflective rambling..."
>
>  Wait, no, please, more reflective rambling.
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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[David Eric Smith]

Doh!

I’m such a dolt, watching the pretty pictures.

They’re both Turing complete, correct?  Is there a natural sense of writing a 
program that, in that algorithmic representation, you know is somehow 
algorithmically deep in 110, which then becomes something algorithmically 
interesting under the corresponding representation in Life?  If one did that, 
would all the constructions be so forced that it was tedious and not 
elucidating of anything?  One is better to run “analog” and just relish the 
evident generative complexity?

Eric



> On Sep 30, 2021, at 5:33 AM, Steve Smith  wrote:
> 
> Jon -
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uhhAXd7PI&ab_channel=ElliotWaite 
>> 
> I never cease to be surprised and fascinated watching simple rules generate 
> complex structure and dynamics.
> 
> I had a lot of complex reactions to this but I won't waste anyone's bandwidth 
> with my reflective rambling...  
> 
> Thanks for sharing...
> 
> - Steve
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Marcus Daniels]

Companies like Mythic and IBM have developed analog devices for energy- 
efficient deep learning.   Noise and low precision are often used as part of ML 
training protocols anyway.Here they did careful side-by-side testing to 
quantify the impact of going analog.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2021.675741/full

Or perhaps the proposition is that CS people (for example) can’t appreciate 
complexity that where the generative rules are unknown or obscure?   Sure that 
horse is fast, but how can I put a new engine in it?

On Oct 1, 2021, at 12:58 AM, David Eric Smith  wrote:

 Doh!

I’m such a dolt, watching the pretty pictures.

They’re both Turing complete, correct?  Is there a natural sense of writing a 
program that, in that algorithmic representation, you know is somehow 
algorithmically deep in 110, which then becomes something algorithmically 
interesting under the corresponding representation in Life?  If one did that, 
would all the constructions be so forced that it was tedious and not 
elucidating of anything?  One is better to run “analog” and just relish the 
evident generative complexity?

Eric



On Sep 30, 2021, at 5:33 AM, Steve Smith 
mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:

Jon -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uhhAXd7PI&ab_channel=ElliotWaite


I never cease to be surprised and fascinated watching simple rules generate 
complex structure and dynamics.

I had a lot of complex reactions to this but I won't waste anyone's bandwidth 
with my reflective rambling...

Thanks for sharing...

- Steve


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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[uǝlƃ ☤ $]

Maybe I'm just incompetent today. But what PCM devices did they use? Internal 
IBM research devices? Or did they only use the simulator 
(https://github.com/IBM/aihwkit)? Are there commercial PCM chips yet?

On 10/1/21 7:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Companies like Mythic and IBM have developed analog devices for energy- 
> efficient deep learning.   Noise and low precision are often used as part of 
> ML training protocols anyway.    Here they did careful side-by-side testing 
> to quantify the impact of going analog.
> 
> https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2021.675741/full 
> 
> 
> Or perhaps the proposition is that CS people (for example) can’t appreciate 
> complexity that where the generative rules are unknown or obscure?   Sure 
> that horse is fast, but how can I put a new engine in it?

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Marcus Daniels]

I haven't asked about pricing and availability, but Mythic has evaluation 
systems.

https://www.mythic-ai.com/product/evaluation-system/

There are not commercially available devices from IBM yet.  I'm not at liberty 
to give further details.   
I like this approach because it is obvious how to use it vs. the new spiking 
neural net stuff from Intel (and also from IBM) is more speculative w.r.t. 
applications.

Quantum computers are all analog machines in practice.

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Maybe I'm just incompetent today. But what PCM devices did they use? Internal 
IBM research devices? Or did they only use the simulator 
(https://github.com/IBM/aihwkit)? Are there commercial PCM chips yet?

On 10/1/21 7:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Companies like Mythic and IBM have developed analog devices for energy- 
> efficient deep learning.   Noise and low precision are often used as part of 
> ML training protocols anyway.    Here they did careful side-by-side testing 
> to quantify the impact of going analog.
> 
> https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2021.675741/full 
> <https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2021.675741/full>
> 
> Or perhaps the proposition is that CS people (for example) can’t appreciate 
> complexity that where the generative rules are unknown or obscure?   Sure 
> that horse is fast, but how can I put a new engine in it?

-- 
"Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Jon Zingale]

A few years ago, I became interested in building myself an AC frog. At the
time I started looking into IBM's TrueNorth[0] chips, and more locally,
Knowm's memristor[1] chips. The dream was/is to get a bunch of their
possibly flawed chips at a bargain price and (à la Von Neumann's "reliable
organisms"[R]) to try to build my own "conscious" frog. The idea is to
build a low-powered ai "brain" and to give the frog some minimal agency
(low powered servos or something) and a resistive or piezo-electric
"skin"[2] as a way of knowing about its world. Finally, to plug it in and
let it have its "own" experiences. I would never know quite what the
training turned out to be, but I would hope that it was happy :)

Maybe that dream is getting a little bit closer.


[0] https://research.ibm.com/articles/brain-chip.shtml
[1] https://knowm.org/downloads/Knowm_Memristors.pdf
[R] https://static.ias.edu/pitp/archive/2012files/Probabilistic_Logics.pdf
[2] https://www.kobakant.at/DIY/?p=913

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Marcus Daniels]

I wonder if a CA like this would look cooler on one of these?  
https://shop.boox.com/products/mira

..maybe as a sort of framed art?

On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Jon Zingale  wrote:


A few years ago, I became interested in building myself an AC frog. At the time 
I started looking into IBM's TrueNorth[0] chips, and more locally, Knowm's 
memristor[1] chips. The dream was/is to get a bunch of their possibly flawed 
chips at a bargain price and (à la Von Neumann's "reliable organisms"[R]) to 
try to build my own "conscious" frog. The idea is to build a low-powered ai 
"brain" and to give the frog some minimal agency (low powered servos or 
something) and a resistive or piezo-electric "skin"[2] as a way of knowing 
about its world. Finally, to plug it in and let it have its "own" experiences. 
I would never know quite what the training turned out to be, but I would hope 
that it was happy :)

Maybe that dream is getting a little bit closer.


[0] https://research.ibm.com/articles/brain-chip.shtml
[1] https://knowm.org/downloads/Knowm_Memristors.pdf
[R] https://static.ias.edu/pitp/archive/2012files/Probabilistic_Logics.pdf
[2] https://www.kobakant.at/DIY/?p=913

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Jon Zingale]

"I wonder if a CA like this would look cooler on one of these?"

I was tempted to roll my eyes, but then I thought, maybe it would be nice
to have one of those. OTOH, I am not sure what it is I would be buying,
like listening to vinyl recordings on YouTube or exploring the MET online.
That said, I haven't blown through my yearly office supply benefit, so
maybe I should get my employer to pay for one and find out in person.

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Steve Smith]

I still have the relevant bits of the classic Esquire e-ink edition from
13? years ago.

https://blog.thatagency.com/design-studio-blog/2008/11/the-worlds-first-e-ink-magazine-cover/


Maybe Klaus-Bosch sandscape art

is more apropos?

Using a Sand Art App  to drive it?

or just resort to an Etch A Sketch

instead?

Are we back to vector vs raster graphics?

Maybe a Tektronix 4013  Green Screen
with an APL Keyboard?


On 10/2/21 2:26 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I wonder if a CA like this would look cooler on one of these?
>  https://shop.boox.com/products/mira
> 
>
> ..maybe as a sort of framed art?
>
>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Jon Zingale  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> A few years ago, I became interested in building myself an AC frog.
>> At the time I started looking into IBM's TrueNorth[0] chips, and more
>> locally, Knowm's memristor[1] chips. The dream was/is to get a bunch
>> of their possibly flawed chips at a bargain price and (à la Von
>> Neumann's "reliable organisms"[R]) to try to build my own "conscious"
>> frog. The idea is to build a low-powered ai "brain" and to give the
>> frog some minimal agency (low powered servos or something) and a
>> resistive or piezo-electric "skin"[2] as a way of knowing about its
>> world. Finally, to plug it in and let it have its "own" experiences.
>> I would never know quite what the training turned out to be, but I
>> would hope that it was happy :)
>>
>> Maybe that dream is getting a little bit closer.
>>
>>
>> [0] https://research.ibm.com/articles/brain-chip.shtml
>> 
>> [1] https://knowm.org/downloads/Knowm_Memristors.pdf
>> 
>> [R] https://static.ias.edu/pitp/archive/2012files/Probabilistic_Logics.pdf
>> 
>> [2] https://www.kobakant.at/DIY/?p=913
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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Jon Zingale]

A few years ago, I was invited to speak on procedurally generated music at
the Atlas Institute in Boulder. There I met Laura Devendorf[1]. Her work
with looms and smart textiles is pretty rad[2]. It would be pretty
wonderful to have a couch where the upholstery renders cellular automata.

[1] https://www.colorado.edu/atlas/laura-devendorf
[2] http://artfordorks.com/ebb/

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