Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 2:51 PM Jochen Fromm wrote:
> It reminds me of this book:
> The Zoologist's Guide to the Galaxy
>
> https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646643/the-zoologists-guide-to-the-galaxy-by-arik-kershenbaum/
>
> -J.
>
>
> Original message
> From: Nicholas Thompson
> Date: 2/16/23 10:22 AM (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>
> Cc: Mike Bybee
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
>
> DISCUSS: If we were Martians sent to earth to study animal life EXCLUSIVE
> OF human life, would we ever have come up with the idea of categories?
> What is there that animals do that demands us to invent categories to
> explain their behavior? Could we build a theory of animal life based
> solely on associations among experiences... their experiences, not ours.
>
> n
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:14 PM Nicholas Thompson
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, Dave. Will miss you. You have been my most faithful recent
>> companion in my quest for windmills to topple. As for your double take, I
>> probably used the wrong initials. I was thinking about the AI thing which,
>> I gather, Bing is now employing to get us all advice on how to cure our
>> lumbago, without ever having to bother with that nasty Mayo Clinic website.
>>
>>
>> I see why you want to substitute “cloud” for my link metaphor. It’s
>> easier to think of clouds probabilistically. Clouds are awfully passive
>> entities to serve in the way I need them to. Clouds are not, in the
>> first instance, things but visualizations of things. (They can themselves
>> become things, but Idon’t think you have anticipated that metaphoric
>> implication.) my ”links” are more deterministic than your clouds. I
>> admit that “probabilistic link” is a hard image to think, and therefore not
>> a very evocative metaphor. How about ”woodland path” Woodland pathways
>> provide a more dynamic image than “links”. Started by a rabbit, adopted
>> by a coyote, exploited by a deer, blundered into by a cow, woodland
>> pathways flourish or fail by use and by the attractiveness of the nodes
>> where they converge or cross. Each use favors future use and nodes become
>> prominent not only for their inherent attractiveness but because they are
>> on the way to. attractive nodes. Thus Sublette KS is a well traveled node
>> not only because of the tourist attraction of visiting the place where the
>> 1917-18 ("spanish") flu got its start, but also because it happens to be
>> on the shortest route from NYC to LA. .
>>
>>
>>
>> in thinking about this, we should focus on the animal case. Humans are
>> too complicated to be interesting. Also, I think we should focus on animals
>> in currently living in their "environment of evolutionary adaptiveness."
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish we could entice Glen, and Mike, and Stephen to drop in on us
>> around 11 tomorrow,if only to show your faces. The node is
>> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:24 PM
>> *To:* friam@redfish.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
>>
>>
>>
>> I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic
>> net, just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud
>> lacks explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein.
>>
>>
>>
>> Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of
>> the communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I
>> think, Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first.
>>
>>
>>
>> davew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain.
>> I want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually
>> IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in
>> a network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a
>> vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc.
>> This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals
>> have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a
>> (shudder) nominalist? I hope not.
>>
>> Words…nouns in particular… conf
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
If you are looking for good books to read, I am reading at the moment
"Magnificent Rebels" from Andrea Wulf, among others. I have bought it recently
at a bookstore in Berlin and it is one of the better books I have read
recently.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/609881/magnificent-rebels-by-andrea-wulf/-J.
Original message From: Nicholas Thompson
Date: 2/17/23 11:53 PM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:
[FRIAM] Thuram still happening? Thanks, Jochen. I am on it. NOn Thu, Feb 16,
2023 at 10:52 AM Jochen Fromm wrote:It reminds me of this
book:The Zoologist's Guide to the
Galaxyhttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646643/the-zoologists-guide-to-the-galaxy-by-arik-kershenbaum/-J.
Original message From: Nicholas Thompson
Date: 2/16/23 10:22 AM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group Cc: Mike Bybee
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? DISCUSS: If we were Martians sent
to earth to study animal life EXCLUSIVE OF human life, would we ever have come
up with the idea of categories? What is there that animals do that demands us
to invent categories to explain their behavior? Could we build a theory of
animal life based solely on associations among experiences... their
experiences, not ours. nOn Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:14 PM Nicholas Thompson
wrote:Sorry, Dave. Will miss you. You have been my
most faithful recent companion in my quest for windmills to topple. As for your
double take, I probably used the wrong initials. I was thinking about the AI
thing which, I gather, Bing is now employing to get us all advice on how to
cure our lumbago, without ever having to bother with that nasty Mayo Clinic
website. I see why you want to substitute “cloud” for my link metaphor. It’s
easier to think of clouds probabilistically. Clouds are awfully passive
entities to serve in the way I need them to. Clouds are not, in the first
instance, things but visualizations of things. (They can themselves become
things, but Idon’t think you have anticipated that metaphoric implication.)
my ”links” are more deterministic than your clouds. I admit that “probabilistic
link” is a hard image to think, and therefore not a very evocative metaphor.
How about ”woodland path” Woodland pathways provide a more dynamic image than
“links”. Started by a rabbit, adopted by a coyote, exploited by a deer,
blundered into by a cow, woodland pathways flourish or fail by use and by the
attractiveness of the nodes where they converge or cross. Each use favors
future use and nodes become prominent not only for their inherent
attractiveness but because they are on the way to. attractive nodes. Thus
Sublette KS is a well traveled node not only because of the tourist attraction
of visiting the place where the 1917-18 ("spanish") flu got its start, but
also because it happens to be on the shortest route from NYC to LA. . in
thinking about this, we should focus on the animal case. Humans are too
complicated to be interesting. Also, I think we should focus on animals in
currently living in their "environment of evolutionary adaptiveness." I wish we
could entice Glen, and Mike, and Stephen to drop in on us around 11 tomorrow,if
only to show your faces. The node is
https://bit.ly/virtualfriam
Nick From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David
WestSent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:24 PMTo: friam@redfish.comSubject: Re:
[FRIAM] Thuram still happening? I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and
miss Thuram. 2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a
semantic net, just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a
cloud lacks explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein. Did a
huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the
communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think, Nick
intended. And I would be 'they' used it first. davew On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at
11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive
fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. I want to hear the experts among you hold
forth on WTF a cateogory actually IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a
more or less diffuse node in a network of associations (signs, if you must).
Hence they constitute a vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable
from what, etc. This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I
think animals have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this
make me a (shudder) nominalist? I hope not. Words…nouns in particular… confuse
this category business. Words place constraints on how vague these nodes can
be. They impose on the network constraints to which it is ill suited. True,
the more my associations with “horse” line up with your associations with
“horse”, the more true the horse seems.
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
Thanks, Jochen. I am on it. N
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:52 AM Jochen Fromm wrote:
> It reminds me of this book:
> The Zoologist's Guide to the Galaxy
>
> https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646643/the-zoologists-guide-to-the-galaxy-by-arik-kershenbaum/
>
> -J.
>
>
> Original message
> From: Nicholas Thompson
> Date: 2/16/23 10:22 AM (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>
> Cc: Mike Bybee
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
>
> DISCUSS: If we were Martians sent to earth to study animal life EXCLUSIVE
> OF human life, would we ever have come up with the idea of categories?
> What is there that animals do that demands us to invent categories to
> explain their behavior? Could we build a theory of animal life based
> solely on associations among experiences... their experiences, not ours.
>
> n
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:14 PM Nicholas Thompson
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, Dave. Will miss you. You have been my most faithful recent
>> companion in my quest for windmills to topple. As for your double take, I
>> probably used the wrong initials. I was thinking about the AI thing which,
>> I gather, Bing is now employing to get us all advice on how to cure our
>> lumbago, without ever having to bother with that nasty Mayo Clinic website.
>>
>>
>> I see why you want to substitute “cloud” for my link metaphor. It’s
>> easier to think of clouds probabilistically. Clouds are awfully passive
>> entities to serve in the way I need them to. Clouds are not, in the
>> first instance, things but visualizations of things. (They can themselves
>> become things, but Idon’t think you have anticipated that metaphoric
>> implication.) my ”links” are more deterministic than your clouds. I
>> admit that “probabilistic link” is a hard image to think, and therefore not
>> a very evocative metaphor. How about ”woodland path” Woodland pathways
>> provide a more dynamic image than “links”. Started by a rabbit, adopted
>> by a coyote, exploited by a deer, blundered into by a cow, woodland
>> pathways flourish or fail by use and by the attractiveness of the nodes
>> where they converge or cross. Each use favors future use and nodes become
>> prominent not only for their inherent attractiveness but because they are
>> on the way to. attractive nodes. Thus Sublette KS is a well traveled node
>> not only because of the tourist attraction of visiting the place where the
>> 1917-18 ("spanish") flu got its start, but also because it happens to be
>> on the shortest route from NYC to LA. .
>>
>>
>>
>> in thinking about this, we should focus on the animal case. Humans are
>> too complicated to be interesting. Also, I think we should focus on animals
>> in currently living in their "environment of evolutionary adaptiveness."
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish we could entice Glen, and Mike, and Stephen to drop in on us
>> around 11 tomorrow,if only to show your faces. The node is
>> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:24 PM
>> *To:* friam@redfish.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
>>
>>
>>
>> I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic
>> net, just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud
>> lacks explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein.
>>
>>
>>
>> Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of
>> the communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I
>> think, Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first.
>>
>>
>>
>> davew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain.
>> I want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually
>> IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in
>> a network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a
>> vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc.
>> This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals
>> have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a
>> (shudder) nominalist? I hope not.
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
It reminds me of this book:The Zoologist's Guide to the
Galaxyhttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646643/the-zoologists-guide-to-the-galaxy-by-arik-kershenbaum/-J.
Original message From: Nicholas Thompson
Date: 2/16/23 10:22 AM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Cc: Mike Bybee
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? DISCUSS:
If we were Martians sent to earth to study animal life EXCLUSIVE OF human life,
would we ever have come up with the idea of categories? What is there that
animals do that demands us to invent categories to explain their behavior?
Could we build a theory of animal life based solely on associations among
experiences... their experiences, not ours. nOn Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:14 PM
Nicholas Thompson wrote:Sorry, Dave. Will miss you.
You have been my most faithful recent companion in my quest for windmills to
topple. As for your double take, I probably used the wrong initials. I was
thinking about the AI thing which, I gather, Bing is now employing to get us
all advice on how to cure our lumbago, without ever having to bother with that
nasty Mayo Clinic website. I see why you want to substitute “cloud” for my link
metaphor. It’s easier to think of clouds probabilistically. Clouds are awfully
passive entities to serve in the way I need them to. Clouds are not, in the
first instance, things but visualizations of things. (They can themselves
become things, but Idon’t think you have anticipated that metaphoric
implication.) my ”links” are more deterministic than your clouds. I admit
that “probabilistic link” is a hard image to think, and therefore not a very
evocative metaphor. How about ”woodland path” Woodland pathways provide a more
dynamic image than “links”. Started by a rabbit, adopted by a coyote,
exploited by a deer, blundered into by a cow, woodland pathways flourish or
fail by use and by the attractiveness of the nodes where they converge or
cross. Each use favors future use and nodes become prominent not only for
their inherent attractiveness but because they are on the way to. attractive
nodes. Thus Sublette KS is a well traveled node not only because of the
tourist attraction of visiting the place where the 1917-18 ("spanish") flu got
its start, but also because it happens to be on the shortest route from NYC to
LA. . in thinking about this, we should focus on the animal case. Humans are
too complicated to be interesting. Also, I think we should focus on animals in
currently living in their "environment of evolutionary adaptiveness." I wish we
could entice Glen, and Mike, and Stephen to drop in on us around 11 tomorrow,if
only to show your faces. The node is
https://bit.ly/virtualfriam
Nick From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David
WestSent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:24 PMTo: friam@redfish.comSubject: Re:
[FRIAM] Thuram still happening? I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and
miss Thuram. 2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a
semantic net, just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a
cloud lacks explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein. Did a
huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the
communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think, Nick
intended. And I would be 'they' used it first. davew On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at
11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive
fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. I want to hear the experts among you hold
forth on WTF a cateogory actually IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a
more or less diffuse node in a network of associations (signs, if you must).
Hence they constitute a vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable
from what, etc. This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I
think animals have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this
make me a (shudder) nominalist? I hope not. Words…nouns in particular… confuse
this category business. Words place constraints on how vague these nodes can
be. They impose on the network constraints to which it is ill suited. True,
the more my associations with “horse” line up with your associations with
“horse”, the more true the horse seems. Following Peirce, I would say that
where our nodes increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we
have evidence ot the (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s
terms. Here is where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism. The reason
I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep thinking of a semantic
webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute about a decade ago. Now a
semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an associative web; don’t
associate with other words in exactly the same manner in which experiences
associate with other experien
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
It’s the tiniest and most idiosyncratic take on this question, but FWIW, here: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1520752113 I actually think that all of what Nick says below is a perfectly good draft of a POV. As to whether animals “have” categories: Spend time with a dog. Doesn’t take very much time. Their interest in conspecifics is (ahem) categorically different from their interest in people, different than to squirrels, different than to cats, different than to snakes. For me to even say that seems like cueing a narcissism of small differences, when overwhelmingly, their behavior is structured around categories, as is everyone else’s. Squirrels don’t mistake acorns for birds of prey. Or for the tree limbs and house roofs one can jump onto. Or for other squirrels. It’s all categories. Behavior is an operation on categories. I found it interesting that you invoked “nouns” as a framework that is helpful but sometimes obstructive. One might just have said “words”. This is interesting to me already, because my syntactician friends will tell you that a noun is not, as we were taught as children, a “word for a person, place, or thing”, but rather a “word in a language that transforms as nouns transform in that language”, which is a bit of an obfuscation, since they do have in common that they are in some way “object-words”. But from the polysemy and synonymy perspective, we see that “meanings” cross the noun-verb syntactic distinction quite frequently for some categories. Eye/see, ear/hear, moon/shine, and stuff like that. My typologist friends tell me that is common but particular to some meanings much more than others. Another fun thing I was told by Ted Chiang a few months ago, which I was amazed I had not heard from linguists, and still want to hold in reserve until I can check it further. He says that languages without written forms do not have a word for “word”. If true, that seems very interesting and important. If Chiang believes it to be true, it is probably already a strong enough regularity to be more-or-less true, and thus still interesting and important. Eric > On Feb 15, 2023, at 1:19 PM, > wrote: > > FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. I > want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually IS. > I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in a > network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a vast > table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc. This > accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals have > categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a > (shudder) nominalist? I hope not. > Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business. Words place > constraints on how vague these nodes can be. They impose on the network > constraints to which it is ill suited. True, the more my associations with > “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the horse > seems. Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes increasingly > correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence ot the > (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms. Here is > where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism. > The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep thinking > of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute about a decade > ago. Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an associative web; > don’t associate with other words in exactly the same manner in which > experiences associate with other experiences. Still, I think the metaphor is > interesting. Also, I am kind of re-interested in my “authorial voice”, how > much it operates like cbt. > > Rushing, > > Nick > > From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? > > Well shoot. that would do it Thank you! > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: >> Today is Wednesday, isn't it? >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles >> wrote: >>> Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due >>> to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks >>> like the meeting hasn't started. >>> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
DISCUSS: If we were Martians sent to earth to study animal life EXCLUSIVE
OF human life, would we ever have come up with the idea of categories?
What is there that animals do that demands us to invent categories to
explain their behavior? Could we build a theory of animal life based
solely on associations among experiences... their experiences, not ours.
n
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:14 PM Nicholas Thompson
wrote:
> Sorry, Dave. Will miss you. You have been my most faithful recent
> companion in my quest for windmills to topple. As for your double take, I
> probably used the wrong initials. I was thinking about the AI thing which,
> I gather, Bing is now employing to get us all advice on how to cure our
> lumbago, without ever having to bother with that nasty Mayo Clinic website.
>
>
> I see why you want to substitute “cloud” for my link metaphor. It’s easier
> to think of clouds probabilistically. Clouds are awfully passive
> entities to serve in the way I need them to. Clouds are not, in the
> first instance, things but visualizations of things. (They can themselves
> become things, but Idon’t think you have anticipated that metaphoric
> implication.) my ”links” are more deterministic than your clouds. I
> admit that “probabilistic link” is a hard image to think, and therefore not
> a very evocative metaphor. How about ”woodland path” Woodland pathways
> provide a more dynamic image than “links”. Started by a rabbit, adopted
> by a coyote, exploited by a deer, blundered into by a cow, woodland
> pathways flourish or fail by use and by the attractiveness of the nodes
> where they converge or cross. Each use favors future use and nodes become
> prominent not only for their inherent attractiveness but because they are
> on the way to. attractive nodes. Thus Sublette KS is a well traveled node
> not only because of the tourist attraction of visiting the place where the
> 1917-18 ("spanish") flu got its start, but also because it happens to be
> on the shortest route from NYC to LA. .
>
>
>
> in thinking about this, we should focus on the animal case. Humans are
> too complicated to be interesting. Also, I think we should focus on animals
> in currently living in their "environment of evolutionary adaptiveness."
>
>
>
> I wish we could entice Glen, and Mike, and Stephen to drop in on us
> around 11 tomorrow,if only to show your faces. The node is
> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:24 PM
> *To:* friam@redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
>
>
>
> I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram.
>
>
>
> 2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic net,
> just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud lacks
> explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein.
>
>
>
> Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the
> communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think,
> Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first.
>
>
>
> davew
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. I
> want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually
> IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in
> a network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a
> vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc.
> This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals
> have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a
> (shudder) nominalist? I hope not.
>
> Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business. Words place
> constraints on how vague these nodes can be. They impose on the network
> constraints to which it is ill suited. True, the more my associations with
> “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the
> horse seems. Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes
> increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence
> ot the (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms.
> Here is where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism.
>
> The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep
> thinking of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute
> about a decade ago. Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an
> associative web; don’t associate with other words in exactly the same
> manner in which e
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
Sorry, Dave. Will miss you. You have been my most faithful recent
companion in my quest for windmills to topple. As for your double take, I
probably used the wrong initials. I was thinking about the AI thing which,
I gather, Bing is now employing to get us all advice on how to cure our
lumbago, without ever having to bother with that nasty Mayo Clinic website.
I see why you want to substitute “cloud” for my link metaphor. It’s easier
to think of clouds probabilistically. Clouds are awfully passive entities
to serve in the way I need them to. Clouds are not, in the first instance,
things but visualizations of things. (They can themselves become things,
but Idon’t think you have anticipated that metaphoric implication.) my
”links” are more deterministic than your clouds. I admit that
“probabilistic link” is a hard image to think, and therefore not a very
evocative metaphor. How about ”woodland path” Woodland pathways provide a
more dynamic image than “links”. Started by a rabbit, adopted by a coyote,
exploited by a deer, blundered into by a cow, woodland pathways flourish or
fail by use and by the attractiveness of the nodes where they converge or
cross. Each use favors future use and nodes become prominent not only for
their inherent attractiveness but because they are on the way to.
attractive nodes. Thus Sublette KS is a well traveled node not only
because of the tourist attraction of visiting the place where the 1917-18
("spanish") flu got its start, but also because it happens to be on the
shortest route from NYC to LA. .
in thinking about this, we should focus on the animal case. Humans are
too complicated to be interesting. Also, I think we should focus on animals
in currently living in their "environment of evolutionary adaptiveness."
I wish we could entice Glen, and Mike, and Stephen to drop in on us around
11 tomorrow,if only to show your faces. The node is
https://bit.ly/virtualfriam
Nick
*From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:24 PM
*To:* friam@redfish.com
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram.
2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic net,
just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud lacks
explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein.
Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the
communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think,
Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first.
davew
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. I
want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually
IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in
a network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a
vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc.
This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals
have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a
(shudder) nominalist? I hope not.
Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business. Words place
constraints on how vague these nodes can be. They impose on the network
constraints to which it is ill suited. True, the more my associations with
“horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the
horse seems. Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes
increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence
ot the (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms.
Here is where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism.
The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep thinking
of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute about a
decade ago. Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an
associative web; don’t associate with other words in exactly the same
manner in which experiences associate with other experiences. Still, I
think the metaphor is interesting. Also, I am kind of re-interested in my
“authorial voice”, how much it operates like cbt.
Rushing,
Nick
*From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
Well shoot. that would do it Thank you!
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly wrote:
Today is Wednesday, isn't it?
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles
wrote:
Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due
to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks
like the me
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
Until recently the most common usage of "CBT" was to designate Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 1:24 PM Prof David West wrote: > I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram. > > 2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic net, > just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud lacks > explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein. > > Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the > communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think, > Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first. > > davew > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. I > want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually > IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in > a network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a > vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc. > This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals > have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a > (shudder) nominalist? I hope not. > > Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business. Words place > constraints on how vague these nodes can be. They impose on the network > constraints to which it is ill suited. True, the more my associations with > “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the > horse seems. Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes > increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence > ot the (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms. > Here is where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism. > > The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep > thinking of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute > about a decade ago. Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an > associative web; don’t associate with other words in exactly the same > manner in which experiences associate with other experiences. Still, I > think the metaphor is interesting. Also, I am kind of re-interested in my > “authorial voice”, how much it operates like cbt. > > > > Rushing, > > > > Nick > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? > > > > Well shoot. that would do it Thank you! > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly > wrote: > > Today is Wednesday, isn't it? > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles < > eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due > to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks > like the meeting hasn't started. > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.co
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram. 2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic net, just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud lacks explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein. Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think, Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first. davew On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. I > want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually IS. > I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in a > network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a vast > table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc. This > accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals have > categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a > (shudder) nominalist? I hope not. > Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business. Words place > constraints on how vague these nodes can be. They impose on the network > constraints to which it is ill suited. True, the more my associations with > “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the horse > seems. Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes increasingly > correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence ot the > (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms. Here is > where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism. > The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep thinking > of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute about a decade > ago. Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an associative web; > don’t associate with other words in exactly the same manner in which > experiences associate with other experiences. Still, I think the metaphor is > interesting. Also, I am kind of re-interested in my “authorial voice”, how > much it operates like cbt. > > Rushing, > > Nick > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? > > > Well shoot. that would do it Thank you! > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: >> Today is Wednesday, isn't it? >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles >> wrote: >>> Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due >>> to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks >>> like the meeting hasn't started. >>> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >>> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: 5/2017 thru present >>> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain. I want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually IS. I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in a network of associations (signs, if you must). Hence they constitute a vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc. This accommodates “family resemblance” quite nicely. Do I think animals have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a (shudder) nominalist? I hope not. Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business. Words place constraints on how vague these nodes can be. They impose on the network constraints to which it is ill suited. True, the more my associations with “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the horse seems. Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence ot the (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms. Here is where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism. The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep thinking of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute about a decade ago. Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an associative web; don’t associate with other words in exactly the same manner in which experiences associate with other experiences. Still, I think the metaphor is interesting. Also, I am kind of re-interested in my “authorial voice”, how much it operates like cbt. Rushing, Nick From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening? Well shoot. that would do it Thank you! On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly mailto:wimber...@gmail.com> > wrote: Today is Wednesday, isn't it? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles mailto:eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> > wrote: Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks like the meeting hasn't started. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
Well shoot. that would do it Thank you! On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Today is Wednesday, isn't it? > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles < > eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks >> due to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it >> looks like the meeting hasn't started. >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
That makes me feel so good, that I am not the only one who makes that kind of mistake publicly. > On Feb 15, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Today is Wednesday, isn't it? > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles > wrote: > Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due to > work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks like > the meeting hasn't started. > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam=E,1,OyhUG-ORXQ5jixlePFUUXUm09mvSQrQl22RJS5wN5yX6rgisyOu3TfHURy6dISBisgseFLvTqA4snQ9AKPzFfDQi1OZ2OJle-mN0ZBImd8hk=1 > to (un)subscribe > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com=E,1,xCIGZpX0W4cGWT3skTybmsY4Y8MH2-qXHNNb5osZw386OEpZ1UeeTHoxd-RCXDtHMg7RvkjXWC24Cxc9DXfnfqDofsuJ1dXn50Sz_OPgHA3jORkuoaA,=1 > FRIAM-COMIC > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f=E,1,7YyCk5LGYGHTfJgfNYICj_WoPUDjG9J5ycBTh4MD6xZWo_6CdiKfD2ZZ2fS3ii95DQjo0_ibjUl7oHt0MSp7M1SMuQQMYEXSYRtWAl82dgAqk4eE=1 > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f=E,1,L3PkJOX1mun9UuDB5IbJL1j6bexMzGIsCMJW5YFpFXGR6YwCT-eXRP2OJih899uexDhW328KB-pTop6DgC0Ntihhg4cyECrwfm0iyM7RIRVpjF1tenNoAes,=1 > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
Today is Wednesday, isn't it? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles wrote: > Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due > to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks > like the meeting hasn't started. > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
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