Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
On 03/15/2013 09:33 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > Glen wrote: >> How can someone ever say they understand their self if they don't really, >> practically understand the cloud surrounding their self? > > Using your own reference, that sounds like asking if C. Elegans can > understand > itself. I suppose one can say that this IS what life is, the perpetual search > for "self" through perception of the environment. "We" are whatever is left > after we percieve and discount everything else? That is, indeed, what Robert Rosen said: the distinction between living and non-living is a) a closure of agency (efficient cause) and b) the ability to anticipate and plan for the future (final cause). I suppose it's also what Stuart Kauffman is saying first with autocatalysis then with his recent talk about final cause. You may as well lump Maturana and Varela, as well as Walter Fontana in there, too. "Knowing", in some sense of the term, one's self is core to all of those constructs. -- glen =><= Hail Eris! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
On 3/15/13 7:58 AM, lrudo...@meganet.net wrote: No, not IMAP. I want my own cloud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKj8lTuVtk inevitably will lead to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3YdpB6N9M Wow, I'm lost, but here's another.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWdP8B4BHss FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
OK Glen... Looks like you've been called out, now we want to see YOUR
version of this classic!
Well, I don't know anything about "classics", per se. But here's the
distinction I'd make. The vector should be:
from this -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9SKjdoTXg
to this -- http://youtu.be/BqzizzNkv-s
OK... you got me good. Despite feeling RickRolled (on the first one
anyway), I get your point (though Leigh's reference between the 60's
concept of being on a cloud and Owen's of being "in the cloud" *was*
apt)... this seems yet more.
Of course, this all just has me feeling *yet more* like a dementia-ed
schizophrenic whose meds got replaced by psychadelic mushrooms...
In particular the background image of the second video and lines like
"When Atoms Roar" and "All their Lust shall Build a World". In fact, the
world we are building with our "Digital Ecologies" is apparently as
attractive as the Sixties "tune in, turn on, drop out" psychadelia and I
fear no more satisfying in the long run ("All their Lust shall Build a
World").
I'll see your "Kingdom Come" and raise you a "Bag of Groceries
".
I shall procrastinate no more forever,
- Steve
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Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
Steve Smith wrote at 03/15/2013 09:47 AM: > OK Glen... Looks like you've been called out, now we want to see YOUR > version of this classic! Well, I don't know anything about "classics", per se. But here's the distinction I'd make. The vector should be: from this -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9SKjdoTXg to this -- http://youtu.be/BqzizzNkv-s -- =><= glen e. p. ropella This body of mine, man I don't wanna be destroyed FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKj8lTuVtk inevitably will lead to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3YdpB6N9M OK Glen... Looks like you've been called out, now we want to see YOUR version of this classic! Meanwhile, what is the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scottish Highlander? The Highlander sez "Hey McCloud, get offa my Ewe!" FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
Glen wrote: > ... that general trend indicates that this string ... e.g. "g...@ropella.name" will eventually _actually_ be my name, my unique ID ... the primary hook by which people communicate with me (or throw me in jail, accuse me of terrorism, ... whatever). This sounds like a theme from a Max Barry Novel Jennifer Government > How can someone ever say they understand their self if they don't really, practically understand the cloud surrounding their self? \ Using your own reference, that sounds like asking if C. Elegans can understand itself. I suppose one can say that this IS what life is, the perpetual search for "self" through perception of the environment. "We" are whatever is left after we percieve and discount everything else? This is perhaps why I prefer to consider my "Digital Ecology" as a "Digital Swamp" the first supposes that we somehow *can* understand it in a scientific sense while the latter acknowledges that at best we can obtain an elaborate *working knowledge* but never an explanatory knowledge really. Carry On, - Steve FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
I love it! I agree this is the limit to which we're headed. I just bought a Synology Network Attached Storage unit: two server grade 2TB disks in RAID configuration. I got it mainly for backup and redundancy but when it came, it mentioned many services it has and shows how to set it up securely for remote access. And it has a surprisingly sophisticated web console and with a 5Gb wifi Airport extreme does backups in reasonable time. It also comes with the Transmission torrent engine. And yes an IMAP server too. Its early days, but I wouldn't be surprised if critters like this replace your basic home servers. -- Owen On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:38 AM, glen ropella wrote: > On 03/14/2013 09:16 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > > Er.. IMAP? You have complete control over gmail. I uploaded 20+ years > > of mail to it over a day or so and have it all cached on my IMAP clients > > (thunderbird and mail.app) .. yes one needs > 1 and I'm positive you > > have multiple clients. > > I have to respond to this first and separately because my response is > simultaneously ideological and practical! Woohoo! ;-) > > No, not IMAP. I want my own cloud. The analog from GMail to my own > cloud-based e-mail would be more like the combination of DNS failover > with a grid of SMTP+dovecot+sparkleshare. > > Why do I want my own cloud? I don't really have a good answer for that. > I just like a) to be able to change things I want changed when I want > them changed and b) I like to know what's happening underneath. I don't > know how GMail works underneath, but I would like to. > > But if I were forced to _guess_ why using another company's > infrastructure to store my data offends me, I'd probably guess that the > trend toward a single identity, single e-mail, use of real names in > social nets, single sign-on, etc. ... that general trend indicates that > this string ... e.g. "g...@ropella.name" will eventually _actually_ be > my name, my unique ID ... the primary hook by which people communicate > with me (or throw me in jail, accuse me of terrorism, ... whatever). > > And if that's the case, then I want to know what's happening in and > around that unique ID... just like I want to understand DNA, or > biological mechanisms in the meat-space cloud around me ... like how to > maintain healthy living soil in my garden. How can someone ever say > they understand their self if they don't really, practically understand > the cloud surrounding their self? > > p.s. Yes, were you so inclined, you might read this as a categorical > rejection of the word "cloud" as business-speak idiocy. >8^) > > -- > glen =><= Hail Eris! > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
> No, not IMAP. I want my own cloud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKj8lTuVtk inevitably will lead to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3YdpB6N9M FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
