Re: [FRIAM] help with memory
I know ... I know ! MOOC - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 06:04:38PM -0700, Nick Thompson wrote: > Hi, Everybody, > > > > Does anybody remember from the 90's (yes, the 90's!) a computer web thing, > VERY primitive, that tried to imitate a university with class rooms, and > discussion groups. It had a cheesy graphic interface you could "move around > in" I think it was called moo doo, but I possibly have it confused with the > Vermont Fertilizer company of the same name. I don't know if it bears any > relation to the educational software Moodle. > > > > Ring any bells? > > > > Have done some poking around on the web but I can't find anything, possibly > because of people using the same or similar names for other things. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove -- Dr Russell StandishPhone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Senior Research Fellowhpco...@hpcoders.com.au Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory
Thanks, Everybody, It Was Barry Commoner, in a three article series in the NY-er beginning Feb 2, 1976, called Energy. And it does have a long and loving account of entropy. I still haven't been able to read it because the archive system is hostile to ordinary mortals, but I will let you all know if it is as good as I remember it being. My especial gratitude to Carl Tollander and John Kennison, who helped me look, and to Renata Golden, who found it. What threw me off the scent was that Commoner wrote a book, a few years earlier on a closely related topic, that does not mention entropy once! Nick From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:24 PM To: 'c...@plektyx.com'; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Help with memory Carl and everybody, The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but alas, it did not! You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age, that you forget stuff. But another terror of old age you may not know about - that you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened. So, everybody, despite Carl's best efforts, the question remains open. I have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put your thinking caps on? Thanks, Nick PS What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and entropy? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many links. On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles, later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy, told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil fuels rose, etc., etc. I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong: Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner. Does anybody else remember it? Is anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it? I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory
See http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1976/02/09/1976_02_09_038_TNY_CARDS_000316706 for the second article in the series, found via Bing. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks, Everybody, It Was Barry Commoner, in a three article series in the NY-er beginning Feb 2, 1976, called “Energy”. And it does have a long and loving account of entropy. I still haven’t been able to read it because the archive system is hostile to ordinary mortals, but I will let you all know if it is as good as I remember it being. My especial gratitude to Carl Tollander and John Kennison, who helped me look, and to Renata Golden, who found it. What threw me off the scent was that Commoner wrote a book, a few years earlier on a closely related topic, that does not mention entropy once! Nick From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:24 PM To: 'c...@plektyx.com'; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Help with memory Carl and everybody, The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but alas, it did not! You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age, that you forget stuff. But another terror of old age you may not know about – that you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened. So, everybody, despite Carl’s best efforts, the question remains open. I have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put your thinking caps on? Thanks, Nick PS What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and entropy? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many links. On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles, later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy, told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil fuels rose, etc., etc. I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong: Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner. Does anybody else remember it? Is anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it? I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- George Duncan georgeduncanart.com (505) 983-6895 Represented by ViVO Contemporary 725 Canyon Road Santa Fe, NM 87501 Life must be understood backwards; but... it must be lived forward. Soren Kierkegaard FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory
I recall reading the NYer article by Commoner at the time, as the subject matter was of keen interest to me then, and continues to be. FYI, a couple of other related seminal publications from those days: The Entropy Law and the Economic Process, by Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen, Harvard U. Press, 1971. Energy and Information, by Myron Tribus and Edward C. McIrvine, Scientific American, Sept. 1971 (issue on Energy and Power). I haven't checked to see if these are available online. Richard On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:21 PM, George Duncan wrote: See http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1976/02/09/1976_02_09_038_TNY_CARDS_000316706 for the second article in the series, found via Bing. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks, Everybody, It Was Barry Commoner, in a three article series in the NY-er beginning Feb 2, 1976, called “Energy”. And it does have a long and loving account of entropy. I still haven’t been able to read it because the archive system is hostile to ordinary mortals, but I will let you all know if it is as good as I remember it being. My especial gratitude to Carl Tollander and John Kennison, who helped me look, and to Renata Golden, who found it. What threw me off the scent was that Commoner wrote a book, a few years earlier on a closely related topic, that does not mention entropy once! Nick From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:24 PM To: 'c...@plektyx.com'; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Help with memory Carl and everybody, The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but alas, it did not! You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age, that you forget stuff. But another terror of old age you may not know about – that you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened. So, everybody, despite Carl’s best efforts, the question remains open. I have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put your thinking caps on? Thanks, Nick PS What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and entropy? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many links. On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles, later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy, told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil fuels rose, etc., etc. I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong: Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner. Does anybody else remember it? Is anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it? I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- George Duncan georgeduncanart.com (505) 983-6895 Represented by ViVO Contemporary 725 Canyon Road Santa Fe, NM 87501 Life must be understood backwards; but... it must be lived forward. Soren Kierkegaard FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory
Thanks, Everybody, It Was Barry Commoner, in a three article series in the NY-er beginning Feb 2, 1976, called Energy. And it does have a long and loving account of entropy. I still haven't been able to read it because the archive system is hostile to ordinary mortals, but I will let you all know if it is as good as I remember it being. My especial gratitude to Carl Tollander, Jonathan Barker, and John Kennison, who helped me look, and to Renata Golden, who found it. What threw me off the scent was that Commoner wrote a book, a few years earlier on a closely related topic, that does not mention entropy once! Nick From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:24 PM To: 'c...@plektyx.com'; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Help with memory Carl and everybody, The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but alas, it did not! You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age, that you forget stuff. But another terror of old age you may not know about - that you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened. So, everybody, despite Carl's best efforts, the question remains open. I have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put your thinking caps on? Thanks, Nick PS What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and entropy? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many links. On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles, later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy, told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil fuels rose, etc., etc. I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong: Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner. Does anybody else remember it? Is anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it? I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory
This may be the article you're thinking of -- it's by Barry Commoner from 1976 (so your memory may not be quite as bad as you think). Unfortunately, you'll probably have to buy a subscription to the New Yorker archives to read it... or maybe see if one of those things called a library has it. ;) http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1976/02/02/1976_02_02_038_TNY_CARDS_000316621 Of course, I'm not sure why you think it isn't by Barry Commoner. I found this by searching for entropy on the New Yorker site. Brent From: Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net To: c...@plektyx.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 11:23:45 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory Carl and everybody, The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but alas, it did not! You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age, that you forget stuff. But another terror of old age you may not know about – that you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened. So, everybody, despite Carl’s best efforts, the question remains open. I have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put your thinking caps on? Thanks, Nick PS What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and entropy? From:friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many links. On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles, later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy, told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil fuels rose, etc., etc. I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong: Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner. Does anybody else remember it? Is anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it? I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory
Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many links. On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles, later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy, told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil fuels rose, etc., etc. I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong: Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner. Does anybody else remember it? Is anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it? I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory
Carl and everybody, The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but alas, it did not! You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age, that you forget stuff. But another terror of old age you may not know about - that you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened. So, everybody, despite Carl's best efforts, the question remains open. I have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put your thinking caps on? Thanks, Nick PS What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and entropy? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many links. On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles, later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy, told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil fuels rose, etc., etc. I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong: Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner. Does anybody else remember it? Is anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it? I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
