Re: [fricas-devel] Running on a server?

2015-11-25 Thread Bill Page 
You can use SMC for free but I currently spend $7 per month for some
dedicated compute resources on SMC that I share between to projects
both of which use FriCAS to greater or lesser extent. One is called
"FriCAS Complex Analysis" in which I am experimenting with extending
FriCAS to support Wirtinger calculus and the second is called "Many
Interacting Worlds" which is really about quantum mechanics but
involves a rather intense mix of symbolic and numeric computations,
some of which I do in FriCAS and some in other packages, including
Octave, and Numpy in native Sage.  The latter project is what
motivated my interest in your work on the GSLL library.

In spite of the dependence on Internet access there is something to be
said for the convenience of having one's work "in the cloud".  SMC
supports real time collaboration with others in worksheets like
Jupyter and SageWorksheets as well as console sessions and LaTeX
document editing  This isn't meant as an advertisement but I am
actively interested in attracting collaborators to work with me on
either of these subjects or more.

William Stein has been very supportive of FriCAS/Axiom development is
the past and he seems ready to commit SMC resources at no or low cost
for projects involving computer algebra system development. I think
SMC has the potential to host an active development environment for
FriCAS and be a replacement for the old axiom-wiki web site but it
would take a lot of work to sift material and convert it to Jupyter
worksheets.

I would be very happy to discuss anything SMC and FriCAS related here.

Cheers,
Bill Page.



On 25 November 2015 at 04:19, Alasdair McAndrew  wrote:
> You are quite right - I had assumed that SMC was just a newer version of the
> old sagenb notebook interface, which I've been using for years.  So I'll
> check out FriCAS and see how I get on.
>
> Thanks,
> Alasdair
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Bill Page 
> wrote:
>>
>> Alasdair,
>>
>> From your comment about Sage it seems that you may have the mistaken idea
>> that SMC has something directly to do with Sage. In fact Sage is only one of
>> a fairly large number of open source computer algebra and computational
>> mathematics packages made available. Running FriCAS under Jupyter  on SMC
>> does not involve any part of  Sage.
>>
>> I think SMC is an excellent way of using FriCAS online and for
>> collaborating with others. I hope to interst more people in using FriCAS on
>> SMC.
>>
>> Bill.
>>

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Re: [fricas-devel] Running on a server?

2015-11-25 Thread Alasdair McAndrew 
You are quite right - I had assumed that SMC was just a newer version of
the old sagenb notebook interface, which I've been using for years.  So
I'll check out FriCAS and see how I get on.

Thanks,
Alasdair

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Bill Page 
wrote:

> Alasdair,
>
> From your comment about Sage it seems that you may have the mistaken idea
> that SMC has something directly to do with Sage. In fact Sage is only one
> of a fairly large number of open source computer algebra and computational
> mathematics packages made available. Running FriCAS under Jupyter  on SMC
> does not involve any part of  Sage.
>
> I think SMC is an excellent way of using FriCAS online and for
> collaborating with others. I hope to interst more people in using FriCAS on
> SMC.
>
> Bill.
>
> On 2015-11-24 6:35 PM, "Alasdair McAndrew"  wrote:
> >
> > Many thanks - I guess in my position, as I already run Linux natively,
> would be something like number 3.  I know I can run FriCAS inside Sage, but
> it would be good, don't you think, to be able to run FriCAS on its own
> without all of Sage?
> >
> > cheers,
> > Alasdair
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Kurt Pagani  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Alasdair,
> >>
> >> at the moment there are four possibilities to run fricas w/jupyter :
> >>
> >> 1. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/ispad/
> >> secure version, but quite old (2 month)
> >>
> >> 2. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/fricas_jupyter/
> >> no ssl, but current version (automated build)
> >>
> >> 3. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_jupyter
> >> normal installation, use: jupyter notebook --ip=* (or better client ip)
> >> on server
> >>
> >> 4. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_smc
> >> installation on SMC,
> >>
> >> I'm still  hoping to complete the kernel this year (v 1.0) ;)
> >> Afterwards it might be worthwile to create a docker multi-user server.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Kurt
>
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Re: [fricas-devel] Running on a server?

2015-11-24 Thread Bill Page 
Alasdair,

>From your comment about Sage it seems that you may have the mistaken idea
that SMC has something directly to do with Sage. In fact Sage is only one
of a fairly large number of open source computer algebra and computational
mathematics packages made available. Running FriCAS under Jupyter  on SMC
does not involve any part of  Sage.

I think SMC is an excellent way of using FriCAS online and for
collaborating with others. I hope to interst more people in using FriCAS on
SMC.

Bill.

On 2015-11-24 6:35 PM, "Alasdair McAndrew"  wrote:
>
> Many thanks - I guess in my position, as I already run Linux natively,
would be something like number 3.  I know I can run FriCAS inside Sage, but
it would be good, don't you think, to be able to run FriCAS on its own
without all of Sage?
>
> cheers,
> Alasdair
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Kurt Pagani  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Alasdair,
>>
>> at the moment there are four possibilities to run fricas w/jupyter :
>>
>> 1. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/ispad/
>> secure version, but quite old (2 month)
>>
>> 2. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/fricas_jupyter/
>> no ssl, but current version (automated build)
>>
>> 3. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_jupyter
>> normal installation, use: jupyter notebook --ip=* (or better client ip)
>> on server
>>
>> 4. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_smc
>> installation on SMC,
>>
>> I'm still  hoping to complete the kernel this year (v 1.0) ;)
>> Afterwards it might be worthwile to create a docker multi-user server.
>>
>> Best
>> Kurt

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Re: [fricas-devel] Running on a server?

2015-11-24 Thread Alasdair McAndrew 
That's OK, I have no fear about compiling source code: I remember wrestling
with makefiles and xmkmf in the days before GNU configure...

Thanks again,
Alasdair

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Kurt Pagani  wrote:

>
>
> Am 25.11.2015 um 00:35 schrieb Alasdair McAndrew:
> > Many thanks - I guess in my position, as I already run Linux natively,
> > would be something like number 3.  I know I can run FriCAS inside Sage,
> but
> > it would be good, don't you think, to be able to run FriCAS on its own
> > without all of Sage?
>
> By all means. But note that in 1,2 and 4 FriCAS is included in the
> distribution while in (3) you have to compile it by yourself. The SMC
> Fricas is not used and it is rather outdated anyway.
>
> BTW the version of SBCL used to build the ispad core (in 3) must match
> that of AxiomSYS (i.e. don't use a binary version of FriCAS ;)
>
> Good luck
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
> >
> > cheers,
> > Alasdair
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Kurt Pagani  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Alasdair,
> >>
> >> at the moment there are four possibilities to run fricas w/jupyter :
> >>
> >> 1. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/ispad/
> >> secure version, but quite old (2 month)
> >>
> >> 2. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/fricas_jupyter/
> >> no ssl, but current version (automated build)
> >>
> >> 3. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_jupyter
> >> normal installation, use: jupyter notebook --ip=* (or better client ip)
> >> on server
> >>
> >> 4. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_smc
> >> installation on SMC,
> >>
> >> I'm still  hoping to complete the kernel this year (v 1.0) ;)
> >> Afterwards it might be worthwile to create a docker multi-user server.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >>
> >> p.s.
> >> Here's a recent SMC sample: http://kfp.bitbucket.org/tmp/test.html  and
> >> GLE graphics: http://kfp.bitbucket.org/tmp/GLE.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 24.11.2015 um 06:11 schrieb Alasdair McAndrew:
> >>> Now that FriCAS can run in a Jupyter environment, thanks to Kurt
> Pagani's
> >>> clever programming with ispad - would it be possible to run FriCAS
> from a
> >>> server?
> >>>
> >>> I'm curious: I run a VPS with Ubuntu server 14.04, and it would be a
> >> lovely
> >>> thing to be able to access FriCAS remotely through a browser with
> ispad.
> >>>
> >>> I know I can always log in to the server with ssh and play with FriCAS
> >> in a
> >>> console, but it would be nice to be able to access FriCAS through a
> >> browser
> >>> (or alternatively, through emacs with ifricas).  I appreciate that is
> >> might
> >>> be a problem serving up HyperDoc, but as a starting place a remote
> FriCAS
> >>> would be a nice thing.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Alasdair
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [fricas-devel] Running on a server?

2015-11-24 Thread Kurt Pagani 


Am 25.11.2015 um 00:35 schrieb Alasdair McAndrew:
> Many thanks - I guess in my position, as I already run Linux natively,
> would be something like number 3.  I know I can run FriCAS inside Sage, but
> it would be good, don't you think, to be able to run FriCAS on its own
> without all of Sage?

By all means. But note that in 1,2 and 4 FriCAS is included in the
distribution while in (3) you have to compile it by yourself. The SMC
Fricas is not used and it is rather outdated anyway.

BTW the version of SBCL used to build the ispad core (in 3) must match
that of AxiomSYS (i.e. don't use a binary version of FriCAS ;)

Good luck
Kurt




> 
> cheers,
> Alasdair
> 
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Kurt Pagani  wrote:
> 
>>
>> Hi Alasdair,
>>
>> at the moment there are four possibilities to run fricas w/jupyter :
>>
>> 1. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/ispad/
>> secure version, but quite old (2 month)
>>
>> 2. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/fricas_jupyter/
>> no ssl, but current version (automated build)
>>
>> 3. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_jupyter
>> normal installation, use: jupyter notebook --ip=* (or better client ip)
>> on server
>>
>> 4. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_smc
>> installation on SMC,
>>
>> I'm still  hoping to complete the kernel this year (v 1.0) ;)
>> Afterwards it might be worthwile to create a docker multi-user server.
>>
>> Best
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>> p.s.
>> Here's a recent SMC sample: http://kfp.bitbucket.org/tmp/test.html  and
>> GLE graphics: http://kfp.bitbucket.org/tmp/GLE.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 24.11.2015 um 06:11 schrieb Alasdair McAndrew:
>>> Now that FriCAS can run in a Jupyter environment, thanks to Kurt Pagani's
>>> clever programming with ispad - would it be possible to run FriCAS from a
>>> server?
>>>
>>> I'm curious: I run a VPS with Ubuntu server 14.04, and it would be a
>> lovely
>>> thing to be able to access FriCAS remotely through a browser with ispad.
>>>
>>> I know I can always log in to the server with ssh and play with FriCAS
>> in a
>>> console, but it would be nice to be able to access FriCAS through a
>> browser
>>> (or alternatively, through emacs with ifricas).  I appreciate that is
>> might
>>> be a problem serving up HyperDoc, but as a starting place a remote FriCAS
>>> would be a nice thing.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alasdair
>>>
>>
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Re: [fricas-devel] Running on a server?

2015-11-24 Thread Alasdair McAndrew 
Many thanks - I guess in my position, as I already run Linux natively,
would be something like number 3.  I know I can run FriCAS inside Sage, but
it would be good, don't you think, to be able to run FriCAS on its own
without all of Sage?

cheers,
Alasdair

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Kurt Pagani  wrote:

>
> Hi Alasdair,
>
> at the moment there are four possibilities to run fricas w/jupyter :
>
> 1. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/ispad/
> secure version, but quite old (2 month)
>
> 2. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/fricas_jupyter/
> no ssl, but current version (automated build)
>
> 3. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_jupyter
> normal installation, use: jupyter notebook --ip=* (or better client ip)
> on server
>
> 4. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_smc
> installation on SMC,
>
> I'm still  hoping to complete the kernel this year (v 1.0) ;)
> Afterwards it might be worthwile to create a docker multi-user server.
>
> Best
> Kurt
>
>
> p.s.
> Here's a recent SMC sample: http://kfp.bitbucket.org/tmp/test.html  and
> GLE graphics: http://kfp.bitbucket.org/tmp/GLE.html
>
>
>
>
> Am 24.11.2015 um 06:11 schrieb Alasdair McAndrew:
> > Now that FriCAS can run in a Jupyter environment, thanks to Kurt Pagani's
> > clever programming with ispad - would it be possible to run FriCAS from a
> > server?
> >
> > I'm curious: I run a VPS with Ubuntu server 14.04, and it would be a
> lovely
> > thing to be able to access FriCAS remotely through a browser with ispad.
> >
> > I know I can always log in to the server with ssh and play with FriCAS
> in a
> > console, but it would be nice to be able to access FriCAS through a
> browser
> > (or alternatively, through emacs with ifricas).  I appreciate that is
> might
> > be a problem serving up HyperDoc, but as a starting place a remote FriCAS
> > would be a nice thing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alasdair
> >
>
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Re: [fricas-devel] Running on a server?

2015-11-24 Thread Kurt Pagani 

Hi Alasdair,

at the moment there are four possibilities to run fricas w/jupyter :

1. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/ispad/
secure version, but quite old (2 month)

2. Docker: https://hub.docker.com/r/nilqed/fricas_jupyter/
no ssl, but current version (automated build)

3. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_jupyter
normal installation, use: jupyter notebook --ip=* (or better client ip)
on server

4. https://github.com/nilqed/fricas_smc
installation on SMC,

I'm still  hoping to complete the kernel this year (v 1.0) ;)
Afterwards it might be worthwile to create a docker multi-user server.

Best
Kurt


p.s.
Here's a recent SMC sample: http://kfp.bitbucket.org/tmp/test.html  and
GLE graphics: http://kfp.bitbucket.org/tmp/GLE.html




Am 24.11.2015 um 06:11 schrieb Alasdair McAndrew:
> Now that FriCAS can run in a Jupyter environment, thanks to Kurt Pagani's
> clever programming with ispad - would it be possible to run FriCAS from a
> server?
> 
> I'm curious: I run a VPS with Ubuntu server 14.04, and it would be a lovely
> thing to be able to access FriCAS remotely through a browser with ispad.
> 
> I know I can always log in to the server with ssh and play with FriCAS in a
> console, but it would be nice to be able to access FriCAS through a browser
> (or alternatively, through emacs with ifricas).  I appreciate that is might
> be a problem serving up HyperDoc, but as a starting place a remote FriCAS
> would be a nice thing.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alasdair
> 

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Re: [fricas-devel] Running on a server?

2015-11-24 Thread Ralf Hemmecke 
On 11/24/2015 06:11 AM, Alasdair McAndrew wrote:
> Now that FriCAS can run in a Jupyter environment, thanks to Kurt Pagani's
> clever programming with ispad - would it be possible to run FriCAS from a
> server?
> 
> I'm curious: I run a VPS with Ubuntu server 14.04, and it would be a lovely
> thing to be able to access FriCAS remotely through a browser with ispad.

Do you want that just for yourself?

You can certainly install fricas under jupyter locally on your VPS. Then
you put some webserver as proxy in front and redirect requests to
http://localhost:. I cannot give more details at the moment and I
haven't tried that myself, but I don't see a big reason why that
shouldn't work.

Have you ever tried accessing the same URL, for example,
http://localhost:/notebooks/somenotebook.ipynb with two different
browsers? Then say

  foo:=42

in one browser window

and

  foo

in the other. There is no magic that the second will show 42, because
both browsers are only a frontend to the same fricas session running in
the background. So you only have to convince some webserver, to serve to
the internet instead of just to localhost.

Ralf

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Re: [fricas-devel] Running on a server?

2015-11-24 Thread Bill Page 
Well um, FriCAS has been available on the server since about 2001 on
http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org
FriCAS also can be accessed online from SMC https://cloud.sagemath.com
both from a browser in a SageWorksheet and from a console. Kurt also
has an experimental version of the FriCAS Jupyter interface on SMC.

Or did you have something else in mind?

Bill Page.


On 24 November 2015 at 00:11, Alasdair McAndrew  wrote:
> Now that FriCAS can run in a Jupyter environment, thanks to Kurt Pagani's
> clever programming with ispad - would it be possible to run FriCAS from a
> server?
>
> I'm curious: I run a VPS with Ubuntu server 14.04, and it would be a lovely
> thing to be able to access FriCAS remotely through a browser with ispad.
>
> I know I can always log in to the server with ssh and play with FriCAS in a
> console, but it would be nice to be able to access FriCAS through a browser
> (or alternatively, through emacs with ifricas).  I appreciate that is might
> be a problem serving up HyperDoc, but as a starting place a remote FriCAS
> would be a nice thing.
>
> Thanks,
> Alasdair
>
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