Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !

[Avraham Schneider]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:24 PM, ghost  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> >
> >
>
> >
> > blablabla... that's all you do.
> >
>
> Can't respond to something that has you completely pinned down to what
> you are huh? :-)

Read the archive, I'm too tired repeating myself, I answered each one of his
claims - it is you and your terrorists supporting pals who have been pinned
down, and resort to childish personal attacks.


>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Why don't you make up your mind, or at least spread contradicting
> claims
> >> > over multiple posts or under different handles as you are accustomed
> to
> >> >
> >> > Besides, I am not 'showing my support' - I am responding to propaganda
> >> > distributed here by people like you.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Typical zionist jew, if they don't like your opinion they call it
> >> propaganda... and then respond with reports from some quasi-government
> >> agency that specializes in propaganda. Now that's funny.
> >
> > What's funny is that you are avoiding the question.
> >
>
> I fail to see a question in that quote, chicken hawk.

Maybe that's because he avoids the question with so much noise? Read back
the archive as I am not going to do the work for you.


> You'd think
> someone who falls back on grammar and spelling attacks

I don't - I responded to each of his claims, with facts which he and you
ignore, and instead he used bad grammar and bad spelling for childish
personal attacks.


> , because
> they've lost there argument by only believing in washed government
> zionist bullshit,

You are making baseless claims - everything I posted can be verified.


> would know what a question mark was.

"How old are you kid? Really?"


>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > As for cowardliness, it seems you are the one who posts using a
> >> > nickname.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Would you like to meet and find out who I am "Avraham"? I've lived in
> >> the bay my entire life and just recently moved out of state. My entire
> >> family is still there and I will be returning to visit sooner rather
> >> than later. This isn't "G4TV Special Report," you can't hide behind
> >> the keyboard in the real world.
> >
> > Sure. And you are still hiding behind a psuedoname.
> >
>
> That's all you have avri baby?

How old are you kid? Really?


> im "hiding behind a psuedoname(sic)"?

yes.


>
> What do you want my name for avri? so you can google me?

no. I don't care who you are - just stating a fact.


> You won't
> find anything

I would not be proud of that.


> , unlike some stupid zionist scum on a mailing list

Here again, childish baseless personal attacks. Why don't you grow up kid?


> , my
> entire life isn't up for search on the internet. :-)

That's because you either have something to hide, or you simply did not do
anything worth posting that anyone would find useful.



>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sideline cheerleaders deserve the same war at there doorstep as the
> >> scum that commit it. You preach death, you're no better than nazi
> >> scum.
> >
> > I preach death? When?
> >
>
> Typical zionist scum, so sad. They think as long as they preach death
> on Arabs then it's okay.

When did I do that?


>
>
> >>
> >> Doing research on someone who supports the death of innocent civilians
> >> is far from pathetic.
> >
> > You are claiming I support the death of innocent civilians - prove that.
> >
>
> Read your posts, chicken hawk.

I don't need to, I have good enough memory to remember I never supported the
death of innocent civilians. If you think I'm wrong, prove that.


>
>
> >>
> >> In fact, if I am the only one who has done
> >> research on you I would be quite ashamed of the human race.
> >
> > Who cares who you're ashamed of?
> >
>
> You should avri, you really should.

Bla bla bla


>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> and this coming from the man who wants my real name so he could do his
> >> research on me
> >
> > No, just showing that you are the one who is a coward, I don't really
> care
> > who you are.
> >
>
> Says the coward who wouldn't fight for the "country" he spreads propaganda
> for.
>
>

Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

[Avraham Schneider]

Not as common - but you got the point.
Besides, I have a full-time job, my profile is on linked-in - and that kind
of disproves his claim that I'm a soldier (who this guy was/is).


On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:05 AM,  wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:05:06 +0200, Avraham Schneider said:
>
> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.
>
> I would hazard a guess that Avraham Schneider is as common a name in
> Jerusalem as William Smith is in most US cities?
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !

[Avraham Schneider]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Prototype This  wrote:

> Stop replying

Make me.


> and shoot yourself in the head.

Coward talking nonsense.


> You know that you are
> just a little dirty brainwashed jew.

Bla bla bla.


>
> Zionist killed and lied to prophets

When?


> , so you think that with Schneider
> name we will believe you.

Did not ask you to believe me, just to stop your propaganda on a comsec
mailing list.


> 99.99% of the world know that zionist love to make propaganda as you know.

Bla bla bla.

And the 0.01% are just the brainwashed
> ppl or the zionist themself.

Bla bla bla.


>
> And the blabla it you who do it. by posting lie from your other
> zionist and calling them Fact.

Facts by definition are verifyiable - unlike your opinions/propaganda.


> You know that your end is near.
>
 You lost .  That it.

What makes you think you know what I know? You have trouble with basic
logic.



>
>
> 2009/1/23 Avraham Schneider :
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:36 PM, ghost  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:15 AM, Avraham Schneider
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Your logic is flawed:
> >> >
> >> > On the one hand you claim it is bad to serve in the Israeli military
> >> > On the other you claim that it is bad that I didn't serve in the
> Israeli
> >> > military
> >> >
> >>
> >> You're a complete and utter moron if you can't comprehend what I
> >> wrote. Chicken hawk.
> >
> > blablabla... that's all you do.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Why don't you make up your mind, or at least spread contradicting
> claims
> >> > over multiple posts or under different handles as you are accustomed
> to
> >> >
> >> > Besides, I am not 'showing my support' - I am responding to propaganda
> >> > distributed here by people like you.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Typical zionist jew, if they don't like your opinion they call it
> >> propaganda... and then respond with reports from some quasi-government
> >> agency that specializes in propaganda. Now that's funny.
> >
> > What's funny is that you are avoiding the question.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > As for cowardliness, it seems you are the one who posts using a
> >> > nickname.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Would you like to meet and find out who I am "Avraham"? I've lived in
> >> the bay my entire life and just recently moved out of state. My entire
> >> family is still there and I will be returning to visit sooner rather
> >> than later. This isn't "G4TV Special Report," you can't hide behind
> >> the keyboard in the real world.
> >
> > Sure. And you are still hiding behind a psuedoname.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Sideline cheerleaders deserve the same war at there doorstep as the
> >> scum that commit it. You preach death, you're no better than nazi
> >> scum.
> >
> > I preach death? When?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Finally, You are the one being pathetic for doing that much research
> on
> >> > me
> >> > online to get to the conclusion I did not serve in the military (which
> >> > is
> >> > true BTW, and not like js-sentier's conclusion that I'm the soldier
> who
> >> > was
> >> > filmed throwing rocks at Palestinians.)
> >> >
> >>
> >> Doing research on someone who supports the death of innocent civilians
> >> is far from pathetic.
> >
> > You are claiming I support the death of innocent civilians - prove that.
> >
> >>
> >> In fact, if I am the only one who has done
> >> research on you I would be quite ashamed of the human race.
> >
> > Who cares who you're ashamed of?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> and this coming from the man who wants my real name so he could do his
> >> research on me
> >
> > No, just showing that you are the one who is a coward, I don't really
> care
> > who you are.
> >
> >> ... typical zionist scum, nothing but double standards
> >> if you're not "one of them."
> >
> > Yes, and we also drink the blood of Christian babies on Passover.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> :-)
> >
> > Why are you smiling?
> >
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

ed Palestinian wave of hate-education, violation of
commitments and terrorism. In fact, the roadmap toward the resolution of the
Arab-Israeli conflict does not go through Ramallah or Gaza, but rather
through Cairo, Amman and other Arab capitals, as evidenced by Israel's peace
treaties with Egypt and Jordan, which have withstood Palestinian opposition
and an on-going Israeli war against Palestinian terrorism.



A policy which is based on an erroneous assumption – that the Palestinian
issue is supposedly the crown jewel of Arab policy – constitutes an
erroneous policy. It exacerbates regional instability, fuels terrorism,
promotes war and diminishes the prospects for peace.



Israel should base its policy, toward the Palestinians, on the track record
of the last 100 years, and especially the last 15 years, which have featured
the failure of Land-for-Peace on the Palestinian track.

Lessons of recent history, Israel's minimal security requirements and the
need to minimize motivation for Arab terrorism, highlight the necessity to
solidify Israel's control of Judea and Samaria.




On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:10 AM, ghost  wrote:

> Most prefer Bayer :-)
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > Advil?
> >
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !

[Avraham Schneider]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:36 PM, ghost  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:15 AM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > Your logic is flawed:
> >
> > On the one hand you claim it is bad to serve in the Israeli military
> > On the other you claim that it is bad that I didn't serve in the Israeli
> > military
> >
>
> You're a complete and utter moron if you can't comprehend what I
> wrote. Chicken hawk.
>
blablabla... that's all you do.


>
>
> >
> > Why don't you make up your mind, or at least spread contradicting claims
> > over multiple posts or under different handles as you are accustomed to
> >
> > Besides, I am not 'showing my support' - I am responding to propaganda
> > distributed here by people like you.
> >
>
> Typical zionist jew, if they don't like your opinion they call it
> propaganda... and then respond with reports from some quasi-government
> agency that specializes in propaganda. Now that's funny.
>
What's funny is that you are avoiding the question.


>
>
> >
> > As for cowardliness, it seems you are the one who posts using a nickname.
> >
>
> Would you like to meet and find out who I am "Avraham"? I've lived in
> the bay my entire life and just recently moved out of state. My entire
> family is still there and I will be returning to visit sooner rather
> than later. This isn't "G4TV Special Report," you can't hide behind
> the keyboard in the real world.
>
Sure. And you are still hiding behind a psuedoname.


>
>
> Sideline cheerleaders deserve the same war at there doorstep as the
> scum that commit it. You preach death, you're no better than nazi
> scum.
>
I preach death? When?


>
>
> >
> > Finally, You are the one being pathetic for doing that much research on
> me
> > online to get to the conclusion I did not serve in the military (which is
> > true BTW, and not like js-sentier's conclusion that I'm the soldier who
> was
> > filmed throwing rocks at Palestinians.)
> >
>
> Doing research on someone who supports the death of innocent civilians
> is far from pathetic.
>
You are claiming I support the death of innocent civilians - prove that.


> In fact, if I am the only one who has done
> research on you I would be quite ashamed of the human race.
>
Who cares who you're ashamed of?


>
>
> and this coming from the man who wants my real name so he could do his
> research on me
>
No, just showing that you are the one who is a coward, I don't really care
who you are.

... typical zionist scum, nothing but double standards
> if you're not "one of them."
>
Yes, and we also drink the blood of Christian babies on Passover.


>
> :-)
>
Why are you smiling?


>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !

[Avraham Schneider]

Your logic is flawed:

On the one hand you claim it is bad to serve in the Israeli military
On the other you claim that it is bad that I didn't serve in the Israeli
military

Why don't you make up your mind, or at least spread contradicting claims
over multiple posts or under different handles as you are accustomed to

Besides, I am not 'showing my support' - I am responding to propaganda
distributed here by people like you.

As for cowardliness, it seems you are the one who posts using a nickname.

Finally, You are the one being pathetic for doing that much research on me
online to get to the conclusion I did not serve in the military (which is
true BTW, and not like js-sentier's conclusion that I'm the soldier who was
filmed throwing rocks at Palestinians.)



On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:07 AM, ghost  wrote:

> Advice - don't live in a bubble believing everything your zionist scum
> brothers spout. While you acted like the coward that you are and never
> fought for your country, something you zionist scum force on each
> other, you can show your support for your dying devils from the
> comfort of your keyboard. Very very very pathetic.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > Advice - Call your doctor asap and tell him/her you need new pills.
> >
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

[Avraham Schneider]

You make less and less sense with every post you make. You are delusional.
Ask for help (not online).

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:34 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> And you ?
>
> Please tell me god, i know i'm an inferior human being regarding you, but
> please tell me
>
> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>> hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU.
>>>
>> this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you
>> wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for
>> others to do if they really cared)
>>
>>
>> You've got no creditbility here.
>>>
>> Why, because you say so?
>>
>> What did you do for computer security lately?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider 
>>>
>>>> the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a
>>>> comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda
>>>> (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions)
>>>>
>>>> And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you
>>>> shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic
>>>> English).
>>>>
>>>> That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily
>>>> (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil
>>>> people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists).
>>>>
>>>> But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer
>>>> security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security
>>>> related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated
>>>> to computer security_?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli
>>>>> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something
>>>>> EVIL.
>>>>>
>>>>> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking
>>>>> brown noze.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace 
>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for
>>>>>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he
>>>>>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or
>>>>>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda
>>>>>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like
>>>>>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but
>>>>>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you
>>>>>> to jump off a bridge would you do it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>> Intelligencer &
>>>>>> Founder of n3td3v
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> which propaganda ?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> But i understand why now :
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the
>>>>>> military
>>>>>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and
>>>>>> participating
>>>>>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. "
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Everything is clearer than ever.
>>>&

Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !

[Avraham Schneider]

Advice - Call your doctor asap and tell him/her you need new pills.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:27 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> Did i need to say again that i still believe that Avraham is pay to say so
> ?
>
> Even if i know that some integrist ziononist like Avraham are themself
> proud to say so ?
>
> Well look some stuff is  defensible, but the fact we've throw at him are
> not ...and he stills.
>
> Make your conclusion by yourself.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/22 j-f sentier 
>
> Ah you understand now, how easy is to make propaganda ?
>>
>> Then read up your message send on this mailing list, it's all about that.
>>
>> Die  corporal
>>
>> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider 
>>
>>> How old are you kid? Really?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:59 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well there's 4 points that prove Jesus was a jew:
>>>>
>>>> -  he live 33 years with his mom
>>>>
>>>> -  he believed for 33 years since his mother was a virgin
>>>>
>>>> -  she tell everyone that is son was God
>>>>
>>>> -  and he  mounted a multi-national business
>>>>
>>>> OhOhOh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

[Avraham Schneider]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU.
>
this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you
wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for
others to do if they really cared)


You've got no creditbility here.
>
Why, because you say so?

What did you do for computer security lately?


>
>
> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider 
>
>> the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec
>> mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e.
>> baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions)
>>
>> And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you
>> shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic
>> English).
>>
>> That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily
>> (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil
>> people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists).
>>
>> But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer
>> security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security
>> related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated
>> to computer security_?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli
>>> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something
>>> EVIL.
>>>
>>> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking
>>> brown noze.
>>>
>>> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace 
>>>
>>>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for
>>>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he
>>>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or
>>>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda
>>>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like
>>>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but
>>>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you
>>>> to jump off a bridge would you do it?
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>> Intelligencer &
>>>> Founder of n3td3v
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> which propaganda ?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But i understand why now :
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military
>>>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and
>>>> participating
>>>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. "
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Everything is clearer than ever.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider 
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM,  wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber
>>>> security
>>>> >>>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was
>>>> >>>> > setup.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into
>>>> technical
>>>> >>>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists
>>>> are
>>>> >>>> > created?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> go 

Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

[Avraham Schneider]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:34 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>
>
> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:16 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>> Nop you spread yours.
>>>
>> Yes, if that's what you call answering your propaganda with facts that
>> disprove it.
>>
> You're making your fact up via your propaganda, fucker.
>
if it's fact, it can not be 'made up'.
If it is coming as response to your claims - it is not propaganda.
And your dirty language does not add to your credibility.


>
>> Anyways 
>>>
>>> you got pwned, no doubt it's you, you have the same profile mofo, and in
>>> the same situation you'll do the same.
>>>
>> I guess I can't prove to you that it's not me - but then again, I don't
>> need to either.
>>
>> Besides, what's your point? (not that I care)
>>
> My point is that it explain most of your free propaganda, aka palestinian
> =evil, israel  = Good.
>
free propaganda? what's that? how does it compare to expensive propaganda?
And how does it _explain my propaganda_, when all I do is respond to your
claims (i.e. there's no propaganda)?

And why do you think anyone on this list cares about it? Is it computer
security related? Why don't you answer this question?

Any conflict have two side, i guess you've misse one while throwing rocks.
>
Yes, and in this case - a Good Israel, and an Evil Palestinians.

If throwing rocks at them would make them stop their terror attacks on
Israel, I'd do that.

It obviously won't help, so why should I do it?

Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so I
will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's
your's btw?).



>
>>
>>> Die in the same grave than n3td3v.
>>>
>> Fix your damn English kid.
>>
> OMG you should read your conversations on this mailing-list, you've made
> some mistake too bitch.
>
Yes, true - I admit to making a few mistakes - but at least I'm readable.
Why do you have to use curse words in every sentence? Grow up already.


> Anyways if your last defense is to critizice my english it's because i'm
> right, and then you're wrong.
>
Your assumption is wrong. I did not use it as last, or any defense - simply
as a constructive critisism.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !

[Avraham Schneider]

How old are you kid? Really?

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:59 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> Well there's 4 points that prove Jesus was a jew:
>
> -  he live 33 years with his mom
>
> -  he believed for 33 years since his mother was a virgin
>
> -  she tell everyone that is son was God
>
> -  and he  mounted a multi-national business
>
> OhOhOh
>
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

[Avraham Schneider]

the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec
mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e.
baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions)

And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you
shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic
English).

That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily
(because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil
people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists).

But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security
related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related),
when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to
computer security_?



On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli
> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something
> EVIL.
>
> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking
> brown noze.
>
>
> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace 
>
> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for
>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he
>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or
>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda
>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like
>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but
>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you
>> to jump off a bridge would you do it?
>>
>> Andrew
>> Intelligencer &
>> Founder of n3td3v
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.
>> >
>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> which propaganda ?
>> >>
>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post.
>> >>
>> >> But i understand why now :
>> >>
>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html
>> >>
>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military
>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and
>> participating
>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. "
>> >>
>> >> Everything is clearer than ever.
>> >>
>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider 
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM,  wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber
>> security
>> >>>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was
>> >>>> > setup.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into
>> technical
>> >>>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists
>> are
>> >>>> > created?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel
>> >>>
>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of
>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here
>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it
>> here).
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and
>> >>>> useful!
>> >>>
>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want
>> >>> (security related or not).
>> >>>
>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related
>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some
>> spam.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda,
>> or
>> >>> just because they ar

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Advil?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Miller Grey wrote:

> ...my head hurts...
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Avraham Schneider <
> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>   while playing at war with them neighbors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like
>>>>> you, i would too.
>>>>>
>>>> What? Be a loser?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would start a war too. understand now ?
>>>
>> You could have just answered yes to my question.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  , which is totally understandable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was not up to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well they are the first concerned.
>>>>>
>>>> Concerned about what?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Arabians are the first concerned about  having a new hostil neighbor
>>>
>> Israel was never hostile to the Arab countries - on the contrary, the Arab
>> countries were hostile to Israel, started a war and shamefully lost, against
>> all odds.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's allready proven.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
>>>>> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html
>>>>>
>>>> No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof
>>>>
>>>> You really need to start discerning facts from opinion
>>>>
>>>
>>> They have the bomb and everyone know that.
>>>
>> There's a clear distinction between beleifs and knowledge.
>> Everyone beleives Israel have nukes. Nobody (other than those who need
>> to), knows for certain.
>>
>>
>>> So yes it's a FACT
>>>
>> Recheck the definition in the dictionary.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Not an opinion, there's proof
>>>
>> Show it.
>>
>>
>>>  , and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said no, which confirm that
>>> they have it.
>>>
>> Why would Israel say no, when it scares the crap out of you and your
>> buddies?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
>>>>>>> around the world,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
>>>>>>> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch
>>>>>>> jews, because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.
>>>>>
>>>> Read above.
>>>>
>>> Still a FACT .
>>>
>> Read above.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they play the holocaust card.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
>>>>>> Nazis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you
>>>>> did bring up holocaust:
>>>>> - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html
>>>>>
>>>> It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names
>>>> you use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle
>>>> you have chosen to make this 

Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama

[Avraham Schneider]

Considering they haven't banned the Palestinian propaganda that has been
going around here, everything is allowed.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:06 PM, andrew.wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on
> full-disclosure?
>
> Andrew
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Peter Bruderer 
> wrote:
> > You are the only one with this opinion.
> >
> > So shut up now and leave.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote:
> > Cyber security politics are allowed.
> >
> > Andrew
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

[Avraham Schneider]

The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.

I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> which propaganda ?
>
> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post.
>
> But i understand why now :
>
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html
>
> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police
> to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the
> disturbance, instead of preventing it. "
>
> Everything is clearer than ever.
> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider 
>
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security
>>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was
>>> > setup.
>>>
>>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand?
>>>
>>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical
>>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are
>>> > created?
>>>
>>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel
>>
>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of
>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself.
>>
>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and
>> start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here).
>>
>>
>>>
>>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful!
>>
>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want
>> (security related or not).
>>
>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related
>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam.
>>
>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or
>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a)
>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend
>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda).
>>
>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by
>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain
>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the
>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js
>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are
>> back with a readable FD.
>>
>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being
>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without
>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security').
>>
>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is),
>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is).
>>
>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ala
>>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

[Avraham Schneider]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM,  wrote:

> Hi,
> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security
> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was
> > setup.
>
> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand?
>
> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical
> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are
> > created?
>
> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel

I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of
discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself.

As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and
start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here).


>
> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful!

FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security
related or not).

Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics
- but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam.

Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or
just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a)
ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend
themselves (or oppose their propaganda).

As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by
either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain
vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the
rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js
sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are
back with a readable FD.

Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being
readable, are not computer security related either (at least without
wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security').

So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is),
andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is).

Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here.


>
> ala
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>
>
>>  while playing at war with them neighbors.
>
 Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.

> If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you,
>>> i would too.
>>>
>> What? Be a loser?
>>
>
> I would start a war too. understand now ?
>
You could have just answered yes to my question.


>>
>>
>>>  , which is totally understandable
>
 It was not up to them.

>>> Well they are the first concerned.
>>>
>> Concerned about what?
>>
>
> Arabians are the first concerned about  having a new hostil neighbor
>
Israel was never hostile to the Arab countries - on the contrary, the Arab
countries were hostile to Israel, started a war and shamefully lost, against
all odds.


>
>
>>
>>
>>>
> israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>
 Prove that.

>>>
>>> It's allready proven.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
>>> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html
>>>
>> No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof
>>
>> You really need to start discerning facts from opinion
>>
>
> They have the bomb and everyone know that.
>
There's a clear distinction between beleifs and knowledge.
Everyone beleives Israel have nukes. Nobody (other than those who need to),
knows for certain.


> So yes it's a FACT
>
Recheck the definition in the dictionary.


>
> Not an opinion, there's proof
>
Show it.


> , and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said no, which confirm that they
> have it.
>
Why would Israel say no, when it scares the crap out of you and your
buddies?


>
> Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
  The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
> around the world,
>
   most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
> because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>
 Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.

>>>
>>> Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.
>>>
>> Read above.
>>
> Still a FACT .
>
Read above.


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>


> they play the holocaust card.
>
  I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
 Nazis.

>>>
>>> First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you
>>> did bring up holocaust:
>>> - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html
>>>
>> It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you
>> use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you
>> have chosen to make this claim.
>>
>> But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under
>> this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you
>> made under the other handle you were using.
>>
> Omagad, that's a good one, do you really believe that only one person here
> hate you or the zionist ?
> Anyways just look at the writing style, spelling, grammar, and opinion you
> would notice if you're mentaly stable that it's different persons.
>
I took your advice, looked at the writing style, spelling, grammer and
opinion - and I came to the conclusion that you are a sick and retarded
individual.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
 As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for
 what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
 Use a spell checker or something...

>>>
>>> Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?
>>>
>> Yes, but completely irrelevant.
>>
>
> Nop it's pertinant.
>
Read above.


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>



> , dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was
> fighting agains communists, now that they "fight" against US, they are bad
> terrorists.
>
 You agree that they are terrorists then?


>>>
>>> I agree on the fact that you're  pathetic.
>>>
>> How did you arrive at that conclusion?
>>
>
> just reading your posts
>
Great. Had enough?


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>

 stifles yourself with your propaganda.
>
 Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec
 mailing list.

>>>
>>> It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once
>>> again go fuck yourself.
>>>
>> I can read and write in English just fine without the help of a translator
>> - you on the other hand need to work on your grammar and spelling, as well
>> as wash you mouth and fingers with plenty of soap.
>>
>
> Well if you cant understand the phrase :
>
> "stifles yourself with your propaganda."
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stifle
>
> v. sti·fled, sti·fling, sti·fles v.tr.
> 1. To interrupt or cut off (the voice, for example).
> 2. To keep in or hold back; repress: stifled my indignation.
> 3. To

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:38 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>   >>Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US
> state department.
>>
>>  What a nice reference 
>>>
>> Do you dispute it?
>>
> Yes i do, a problem with that ?
>>
> Yes, you have a problem.
>>
>>
>
> So because i dont agree i have a problem ?
> Go fuck yourself
>
>>

> >>I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
> governement.
> Hamas resist against your invasion.
>
 How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
> _civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?
>
 Yes it's a war, Palestine has never been in peace with you guys, and i
>>> understand why.
>>> You guys are armed by US ... Palestinian do not have equivalent
>>> weapons
>>> Btw did you forgot Sabra & shatilla ? just in case :
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
>>> Your argument is pointless once again, but i guess amnesia 101 is your
>>> bedside book.
>>>
>> I have already commented on that - why do you keep repeating yourself like
>> a broken record?
>> Go talk to your brothers in Lebanon who did the massacre.
>>
>>
>
> First of all lebanon are not my brothers, i'm not an arabian or muslim.
> I'm an european atheist.
> Go  fuck yourself (2)
>
>>
>>
>  they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in
 return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide
 bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as
 possible.


>>> Yep that's war remember ?
>>>
>> So trying to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ is OK in your book,
>>
> Yes it's war, RTFM
>
No, it's terrorism, RTFM


>
>
>
>>  while playing at war with them neighbors.
>>>
>> Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.
>>
>>> If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you, i
> would too.
>
What? Be a loser?


>
>
>
>>  Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted  the creation of the state of
>>> israel
>>>
>> But the UN disagreed.
>>
>
> Yeah, and who has the last word at UN ?
>
The UN?


>
>>
>>
>>> , which is totally understandable
>>>
>> It was not up to them.
>>
> Well they are the first concerned.
>
Concerned about what?


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ,  but US and British got the last word.
>>>
>> No, Israel did.
>>
>
> Via the british and US support.
>
The Arabs had Russia's support - regardless - they lost - game over.


>
>
>>
>>> Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>>>
>> Prove that.
>>
>
> It's allready proven.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html
>
No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof

You really need to start discerning facts from opinion, you should ask your
school teacher for help if you have trouble with that (You're already in 3rd
grade right?)


>
>
>
>>  The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
>>> around the world,
>>>
>>   most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
>>> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
>>> because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>>>
>> Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.
>>
>
> Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.
>
Read above.


>
>
>>
>>
>>> they play the holocaust card.
>>>
>>  I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
>> Nazis.
>>
>
> First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you did
> bring up holocaust:
> - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html
>
It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you
use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you
have chosen to make this claim.

But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under
this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you
made under the other handle you were using.



>
>
>>
>>> If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a  mosque, nothing
>>> happens
>>>
>> When did that happen?
>>
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cocktail+molotov+mosque
>
OK - whoever did that was stupid, and would be classified as a terrorist.
I have no idea who did it, and I have no association with him whatsoever.


> 
>
>>
>> You have to understand something Avraham
>>
> I don't.
>>
>
> I know.
>
Great.


>
>>
>>> , a lots of people (not muslims) hate zionist, there's a reason for this
>>>
>> Yes - evil exists.
>>
>
> So the one who doesn't like you guys, are evil
>
Yes.


>
> This is once again propaganda.
>
True.


>
>> As you got to understand that a

Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Handrix  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Avraham Schneider <
> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Mainbox Notif wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Looks to me as a list of charities.
>>> Do you know a website where I can join them all?
>>
>> Yes - http://www.hell.com/
>>
> Yes, with its big eight doors, it's for people like you.
>
I'm not that fat. Besides, I am not planning on joining them...


>
>
>>
>>>
>>> :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/19 Avraham Schneider 
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Abu Nidal Organization
>>>> Abu Sayyaf Group
>>>> Achik National Volunteer Council
>>>> Akhil Bharat Nepali Ekta Samaj
>>>> Al-Aqsa e.V.
>>>> Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
>>>> Al-Badr
>>>> Al Ghurabaa
>>>> Al Ittihad Al Islamia
>>>> al-Qa'ida
>>>> al-Qa'ida in Iraq
>>>> al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb
>>>> Al-Umar-Mujahideen
>>>> All Tripura Tiger Force
>>>> Ansar al-Islam
>>>> Ansar us-Sunna
>>>> Armed Islamic Group
>>>> Asbat al-Ansar
>>>> Aum Shinrikyo
>>>> Babbar Khalsa
>>>> Babbar Khalsa International
>>>> Baluchistan Liberation Army
>>>> Communist Party of India (Maoist)
>>>> Communist Party of the Philippines/
>>>> New People's Army
>>>> Continuity Irish Republican Army
>>>> Cumann na mBan
>>>> Deendar Anjuman
>>>> Dukhtaran-E-Millat
>>>> Egyptian Islamic Jihad
>>>> Euskadi ta Askatasuna
>>>> Fatah al-Islam
>>>> Fianna na hEireann
>>>> Gama'a al-Islamiyya
>>>> GRAPO
>>>> Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front
>>>> Hamas
>>>> Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami
>>>> Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami (Bangladesh)
>>>> Harakat ul-Mujahidin
>>>> Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen/Alami
>>>> Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin
>>>> Hezbollah
>>>> Hizbul Mujahideen
>>>> Holy Land Foundation
>>>> for Relief and Development
>>>> Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council
>>>> Informal Anarchist Federation[5]
>>>> International Sikh Youth Federation
>>>> Islamic Army of Aden
>>>> Islamic Jihad Union
>>>> Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
>>>> Irish National Liberation Army
>>>> Irish People's Liberation Organisation
>>>> Irish Republican Army
>>>> Jaish-e-Mohammed
>>>> Jamaat ul-Furquan
>>>> Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen
>>>> Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh
>>>> Jamiat ul-Ansar
>>>> Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front
>>>> Jemaah Islamiya
>>>> Kach/Kahane Chai
>>>> Kanglei Yaol Kanba Lup
>>>> Kangleipak Communist Party
>>>> Khalistan Commando Force
>>>> Khuddam ul-Islam
>>>> Kurdistan Freedom Falcons
>>>> Kurdistan Workers' Party
>>>> Lashkar-e-Toiba
>>>> Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
>>>> Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam
>>>> Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
>>>> Loyalist Volunteer Force
>>>> Manipur People's Liberation Front
>>>> Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group
>>>> Mujahedin-e Khalq
>>>> National Democratic Front of Bodoland
>>>> National Liberation Army
>>>> National Liberation Front of Tripura
>>>> Nuclei Armati per il Comunismo
>>>> Nuclei di Iniziativa Proletaria
>>>> Nuclei Territoriali Antimperialisti
>>>> Nucleo di Iniziativa Proletaria Rivoluzionaria
>>>> Orange Volunteers
>>>> Palestine Liberation Front
>>>> Palestinian Islamic Jihad
>>>> People's Liberation Army
>>>> People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak
>>>> Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
>>>> Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-
>>>> General Command
>>>> Real IRA
>>>> Red Brigades for the construction
>>>> of the Combative Communist Party
>>>> Red Hand Commando
>>>> Red Hand Defenders
>>>> Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia
>>>> Revolutionary Nuclei
>>>> Revolutionary Organization 17 November
>>>>

Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab wrote:

>  >>Without checking, I bet the vast majority of these are Muslim. I would
> be glad to be proven wrong.
>
>
>
> Guess what, Islam is for more than 1400 Years, Israel is there since 60
> years. Now how old is any of the list you motioned ? do you know that none
> of them even exist before The evil Israel exists ?
>
Before the Arab conquest

In 586 BCE King Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon conquered the Kingdom of Judah
and exiled the population to Babylon.

The Bible recounts how, in 538 BCE Cyrus the Great of Persia conquered
Babylon and issued a proclamation granting the people of Judah their
freedom. 50,000 Judeans, led by Zerubabel returned. A second group of 5000,
led by Ezra and Nehemiah, returned to Judea in 456 BCE.

In 332 BCE Alexander the Great conquered Judea and ordered the first
translation of the bible (the Septuagint). In the second century, Antiochus
IV Epiphanes tried to eradicate Judaism leading to the 174 - 135 BCE
Maccabean Revolt. The success of this revolt is celebrated in the Jewish
festival of Chanukka.

In 64 BCE the Roman General, Pompey conquered Judea.

See also: Jewish-Roman wars

In 66 CE the Jews broke free of Rome , naming their new kingdom, Israel (to
distinguish it from Roman-controlled Judea). The revolt was defeated and
Jerusalem destroyed by Titus in the year 70 CE. A second Jewish revolt in
135 CE also renamed the country "Israel," and its defeat led the emperor
Hadrian to rename Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.[3] Jews were barred from
living there and the Roman province, until then known as Iudaea Province,
was renamed to Palaestina; no other revolt led to a province being renamed.
The names "Palestine" (in English) and "Filistin" (in Arabic) derive from
this Latin name.[4]

See also: Development of the Jewish Bible canon

Despite persecution, key Jewish religious texts were compiled in Israel
between 200 CE and 1000 CE. In the second century Israeli Rabbis decided
which books could be regarded as part of the Hebrew Bible. The Jewish
apocrypha were left out (including the Books of the Maccabees). Sacred
Jewish texts written in Israel in this period include the Mishnah (200 CE),
the Gemara (400 CE) and the Talmud (500 CE).

In 614 a Jewish revolt against Byzantine Emperor Heraclius with Persian
support failed, leading to an edict expelling the Jews from Palestine.
Twenty years later, in 631, the Arabs defeated Heraclius and conquered the
area. Over the next few centuries, Islam became the dominant religion in the
area.

[edit] After the Arab Conquest

Between the 7th and 11th centuries, Jewish scribes, called the Masoretes and
located in the Galilee and Jerusalem, established the Masoretic Text, the
final text of the Hebrew Bible.

The name Palestine fell out of use under the Crusaders, who called the
kingdoms they established there "Outremer" (overseas). During the Crusades,
Jews in Israel were massacred, burnt alive or sold into slavery.[5] The
murder of Jews began during the Crusaders' travels across Europe and
continued in the Holy Land.[6] Ashkenazi orthodox Jews still recite a prayer
in memory of the destruction caused by the Crusades.

>From 1260 to 1300 Israel became the frontier between Mongol invaders (who
were Crusader allies) and the Mamluks of Egypt. The conflict impoverished
the area and severely reduced its population. Sultan Baybars of Egypt
eventually expelled the Crusaders and Mongols.

The collapse of the Crusades was followed by the expulsion of Jews from
England (1290) and later France (1391). Muslim defeats led to expulsions of
Jews from Spain (the Alhambra decree 1492) and Portugal (1497). Each
expulsion and wave of religious persecution led to movement of Jews to
Israel.

Under the Ottomans (1517—1917) the area was part of the province of Syria.

During the 1648—1654 Khmelnytsky Uprising in the Ukraine over 100,000 Jews
were massacred in Eastern Europe, leading to further migration. The Jewish
population of Israel was concentrated in the Four Holy Cities.

In 1799 Napoleon briefly occupied the coast and offered to create a Jewish
state there but the offer was rejected by the Jews.

By the 19th century, the Land of Israel was populated mostly by Muslim and
Christian Arabs, as well as Jews, Greeks, Druze, Bedouins and other
minorities. In 1844, Jews constituted the largest population group in
Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city, although as a whole
the Jewish population made up far less than 10% of the region.[7][8]

When the British conquered the area in 1917, they named it "Palestine" and
defined the boundaries to include modern Israel and Jordan.



> So should we call them "Muslim terrorists"?
>
 Sure, if that makes you happy.

>
>
> You are the evil and as long you exist the world will suffer.
>
And you are a rabbit wearing a pink shirt.

>
>
> Years before any of the resistance groups exist who did sabra and chatila
> massacre?
>
Go talk to your brothers in Leba

Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:

>
> Looks to me as a list of charities.
> Do you know a website where I can join them all?

Yes - http://www.hell.com/


>
> :)


>
> 2009/1/19 Avraham Schneider 
>
>
>>
>> Abu Nidal Organization
>> Abu Sayyaf Group
>> Achik National Volunteer Council
>> Akhil Bharat Nepali Ekta Samaj
>> Al-Aqsa e.V.
>> Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
>> Al-Badr
>> Al Ghurabaa
>> Al Ittihad Al Islamia
>> al-Qa'ida
>> al-Qa'ida in Iraq
>> al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb
>> Al-Umar-Mujahideen
>> All Tripura Tiger Force
>> Ansar al-Islam
>> Ansar us-Sunna
>> Armed Islamic Group
>> Asbat al-Ansar
>> Aum Shinrikyo
>> Babbar Khalsa
>> Babbar Khalsa International
>> Baluchistan Liberation Army
>> Communist Party of India (Maoist)
>> Communist Party of the Philippines/
>> New People's Army
>> Continuity Irish Republican Army
>> Cumann na mBan
>> Deendar Anjuman
>> Dukhtaran-E-Millat
>> Egyptian Islamic Jihad
>> Euskadi ta Askatasuna
>> Fatah al-Islam
>> Fianna na hEireann
>> Gama'a al-Islamiyya
>> GRAPO
>> Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front
>> Hamas
>> Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami
>> Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami (Bangladesh)
>> Harakat ul-Mujahidin
>> Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen/Alami
>> Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin
>> Hezbollah
>> Hizbul Mujahideen
>> Holy Land Foundation
>> for Relief and Development
>> Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council
>> Informal Anarchist Federation[5]
>> International Sikh Youth Federation
>> Islamic Army of Aden
>> Islamic Jihad Union
>> Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
>> Irish National Liberation Army
>> Irish People's Liberation Organisation
>> Irish Republican Army
>> Jaish-e-Mohammed
>> Jamaat ul-Furquan
>> Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen
>> Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh
>> Jamiat ul-Ansar
>> Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front
>> Jemaah Islamiya
>> Kach/Kahane Chai
>> Kanglei Yaol Kanba Lup
>> Kangleipak Communist Party
>> Khalistan Commando Force
>> Khuddam ul-Islam
>> Kurdistan Freedom Falcons
>> Kurdistan Workers' Party
>> Lashkar-e-Toiba
>> Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
>> Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam
>> Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
>> Loyalist Volunteer Force
>> Manipur People's Liberation Front
>> Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group
>> Mujahedin-e Khalq
>> National Democratic Front of Bodoland
>> National Liberation Army
>> National Liberation Front of Tripura
>> Nuclei Armati per il Comunismo
>> Nuclei di Iniziativa Proletaria
>> Nuclei Territoriali Antimperialisti
>> Nucleo di Iniziativa Proletaria Rivoluzionaria
>> Orange Volunteers
>> Palestine Liberation Front
>> Palestinian Islamic Jihad
>> People's Liberation Army
>> People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak
>> Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
>> Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-
>> General Command
>> Real IRA
>> Red Brigades for the construction
>> of the Combative Communist Party
>> Red Hand Commando
>> Red Hand Defenders
>> Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia
>> Revolutionary Nuclei
>> Revolutionary Organization 17 November
>> Revolutionary People's Front
>> Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front
>> Revolutionary Struggle
>> Saor Éire
>> Saviour Sect
>> Shining Path[6]
>> Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan
>> Stichting Al Aqsa
>> Students Islamic Movement of India
>> Takfir wal-Hijra
>> Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi
>> Tamil Nadu Liberation Army
>> Tamil National Retrieval Troops
>> Ulster Defence Association
>> Ulster Freedom Fighters
>> Ulster Volunteer Force
>> United Liberation Front of Asom
>> United National Liberation Front
>> United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia
>> Vanguards of Conquest
>> World Tamil Movement
>>
>>
>> Without checking, I bet the vast majority of these are Muslim. I would be
>> glad to be proven wrong.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> That's all.
>>>
>>> C.
>>>
>>> 2009/1/19 Avraham Schneider :
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:15 PM, j-f sentier 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >>"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists seem to be
>>> Muslim"
>>

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:01 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>
> >>Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
>>> department.
>>>  What a nice reference 
>>>
>> Do you dispute it?
>>
> Yes i do, a problem with that ?
>
Yes, you have a problem.


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> >>I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
>>> governement.
>>> Hamas resist against your invasion.
>>>
>> How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
>>> _civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?
>>>
>> Yes it's a war, Palestine has never been in peace with you guys, and i
> understand why.
> You guys are armed by US ... Palestinian do not have equivalent weapons
> Btw did you forgot Sabra & shatilla ? just in case :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
> Your argument is pointless once again, but i guess amnesia 101 is your
> bedside book.
>
I have already commented on that - why do you keep repeating yourself like a
broken record?
Go talk to your brothers in Lebanon who did the massacre.


> If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians in general, it could do it
>> much cheaper and with no Israeli casualties.
>>
> They did remember now ?
>
No, I was referring to Israel being able to wipe Gaza with 0 casualties on
the Israeli side, and in less than 10 minutes. Israel did not do that.


>
>
>>
>>
>> Israel pulled out of Gazaa and let the Palestinians have their own
>> govornment,
>>
> Oh you guys are so nice.. shall they say thanks ?
>
Yes.


>
>
>> they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in
>> return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide
>> bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as
>> possible.
>>
>>
> Yep that's war remember ?
>
So trying to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ is OK in your book,
but Israel attempting to kill those terrorists _without_  harming
_civilians_ on the Palestinian side (a mission impossible task) is wrong?



>
>>
>> Israel is _avoiding civilian casualties_, it is _sorry_ for any
>> _civilians_ wounded or killed during fighting - but this is a _war_, and
>> _civilians die_ - especially since Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as
>> human shields - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
>>
> Bull-shit
>
You had that for lunch?


>
>
>
>> the same as they were happy at 9/11 - when 3000 innocent civilians dies in
>> the WTC - spreading candy in the streets.
>>
>
> Lots of people hate USA, but i guess they're terrorists then .
> So  many european country = terrorists.
> See i'm kind i save you some words :)
>
No, you can hate as many people as you want - as long as you don't put your
hate into action - i.e. blow yourself up in a bus, etc... You are not a
terrorist (just a sick person).


>
>
>
>> No other country does what Israel does - i.e. make over 250 thousand
>> phonecalls to warn enemy's civilians to leave an area about to be bombed -
>> during war.
>>
> Do you guys want a nobel price or something ?
>
Both.


>
>>
>> Now quoting party is over, let's also talk about fact:
> Israel are illegal since 1948.
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre


>
> They have stolen lots of land in jordany, egypt,
>
I guess they should have not opened war on Israel...


> palestine
>
There was no such country - there were no Palestinians back then. It's a new
invention.


> , liban
>
You mean Lebanon?


> while playing at war with them neighbors.
>
Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.

>
> Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted  the creation of the state of israel
>
But the UN disagreed.


> , which is totally understandable
>
It was not up to them.


> ,  but US and British got the last word.
>
No, Israel did.


>
> Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>
Prove that.


> , they shouldn't have that one.
>
Why? Are you scared?


>
> Also about the elected people by god stuff, i forgot to said that  the man
> who wrote the torah was jew ;)
>
Yes, Mosses was a Jew.


> The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias around
> the world,
>
 most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
> because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>
Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.


> they play the holocaust card.
>
 I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the Nazis.


> If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a  mosque, nothing
> happens
>
When did that happen?


> , but if you do the same on a synagogue,  all the politics will be
> condaming the authors of this attak, kind of frustrating eh ?
>
No. You are.


>
>
> You have to understand something Avraham
>
I don't.


> , a lots of people (not muslims) hate zionist, there's a reason for this
>
Yes - evil exists.


> , you've asked for it.
>
No - it's just a fact of life.


>
>
> As you got to understan

Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM, None None  wrote:

> Is Irish Republican Army Muslim?

AFAIK, and I might be wrong here, the IRA was not targeting civilians,
besides - I used the word 'seem' - hence I did not state it as fact just as
an anecdote.


> Is Informal Anarchist Federation Muslim?
> Is Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia Muslim?
> ... ... ...
>
The list is very small, regardless see my  answer above.


> >"but all terrorists seem to be Muslim"
> Some terrorsits seem to be catholic
>
Very few.


> Some terrorists seem to be jew

Even fewer.


>
> and so on...

Please keep going...


>
> These people are not Muslims, Catholics, Jews,..., they are JUST
> terrorists. Nothing more.

Agree.


>
>
> Terrorists are dangerous extremists.

Agree.

Here's a list of designated terrorist organizations - pulled out of
wikipedia:
Abu Nidal Organization
Abu Sayyaf Group
Achik National Volunteer Council
Akhil Bharat Nepali Ekta Samaj
Al-Aqsa e.V.
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
Al-Badr
Al Ghurabaa
Al Ittihad Al Islamia
al-Qa'ida
al-Qa'ida in Iraq
al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb
Al-Umar-Mujahideen
All Tripura Tiger Force
Ansar al-Islam
Ansar us-Sunna
Armed Islamic Group
Asbat al-Ansar
Aum Shinrikyo
Babbar Khalsa
Babbar Khalsa International
Baluchistan Liberation Army
Communist Party of India (Maoist)
Communist Party of the Philippines/
New People's Army
Continuity Irish Republican Army
Cumann na mBan
Deendar Anjuman
Dukhtaran-E-Millat
Egyptian Islamic Jihad
Euskadi ta Askatasuna
Fatah al-Islam
Fianna na hEireann
Gama'a al-Islamiyya
GRAPO
Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front
Hamas
Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami
Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami (Bangladesh)
Harakat ul-Mujahidin
Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen/Alami
Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin
Hezbollah
Hizbul Mujahideen
Holy Land Foundation
for Relief and Development
Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council
Informal Anarchist Federation[5]
International Sikh Youth Federation
Islamic Army of Aden
Islamic Jihad Union
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Irish National Liberation Army
Irish People's Liberation Organisation
Irish Republican Army
Jaish-e-Mohammed
Jamaat ul-Furquan
Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen
Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh
Jamiat ul-Ansar
Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front
Jemaah Islamiya
Kach/Kahane Chai
Kanglei Yaol Kanba Lup
Kangleipak Communist Party
Khalistan Commando Force
Khuddam ul-Islam
Kurdistan Freedom Falcons
Kurdistan Workers' Party
Lashkar-e-Toiba
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
Loyalist Volunteer Force
Manipur People's Liberation Front
Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group
Mujahedin-e Khalq
National Democratic Front of Bodoland
National Liberation Army
National Liberation Front of Tripura
Nuclei Armati per il Comunismo
Nuclei di Iniziativa Proletaria
Nuclei Territoriali Antimperialisti
Nucleo di Iniziativa Proletaria Rivoluzionaria
Orange Volunteers
Palestine Liberation Front
Palestinian Islamic Jihad
People's Liberation Army
People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-
General Command
Real IRA
Red Brigades for the construction
of the Combative Communist Party
Red Hand Commando
Red Hand Defenders
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia
Revolutionary Nuclei
Revolutionary Organization 17 November
Revolutionary People's Front
Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front
Revolutionary Struggle
Saor Éire
Saviour Sect
Shining Path[6]
Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan
Stichting Al Aqsa
Students Islamic Movement of India
Takfir wal-Hijra
Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi
Tamil Nadu Liberation Army
Tamil National Retrieval Troops
Ulster Defence Association
Ulster Freedom Fighters
Ulster Volunteer Force
United Liberation Front of Asom
United National Liberation Front
United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia
Vanguards of Conquest
World Tamil Movement


Without checking, I bet the vast majority of these are Muslim. I would be
glad to be proven wrong.


>
> That's all.
>
> C.
>
> 2009/1/19 Avraham Schneider :
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:15 PM, j-f sentier 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists seem to be Muslim"
> >> This is pure propaganda .
> >
> > You are right.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/1/19 Avraham Schneider 
> >>>
> >>> Wow internet threats - really scary... What's your name kid?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Prototype This 
> >>> wrote:
> >

Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:15 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> >>"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists seem to be Muslim"
> This is pure propaganda .
>
You are right.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/19 Avraham Schneider 
>
> Wow internet threats - really scary... What's your name kid?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Prototype This wrote:
>>
>>> Nazis knew the real value of zionist , no wonder they wanted to burn
>>> them all. Everytime Zionist think they become stronger , they do
>>> something to deserve to get killed , then later complain that others
>>> hate them.  They destroyed the Soviet union and now they want to
>>> destroy the Arab world. Next is Europe & USA. They want us to live the
>>> miserable live they used to live. Because god have punished them to
>>> never give them a permanant land ever. Israel is just temporary. We
>>> will see soon Schneider in a refugee camp speaking to media and
>>> telling how scared he is from the "bad people of the world".
>>>
>>> 2009/1/18 Nicolae :
>>> > It's funny to see jews acting in the same way as nazi did.
>>> >
>>> > If during ww you had these rockets that palestinians is firing you now,
>>> > wouldn't you fire on nazi too ?
>>> >
>>> > So now you are killing those poor people on their lands in the same way
>>> nazi
>>> > did with you, you are the same evil as nazi and you do genocide on
>>> > palestinians on their lands, shame on you cowards, without the new
>>> weapons
>>> > and USA money, you could never beat palestinians.
>>> >
>>> > In the same time you destabilize the world peace as all the musulman
>>> > countries could send all the army they have and drop the bombs on your
>>> > cities, in the same way you did on palestenians, that could cause ww3.
>>> >
>>> > There was 400 children killed during these days, I fail to see how any
>>> human
>>> > can argue about killing a child, if you isralens still supporting your
>>> > government, then you are animals not humans.
>>> >
>>> > It's a shame for entire world that it could not prevent this, it seem
>>> like
>>> > israel/jews are controlling the world and they don't really care about
>>> other
>>> > humans...
>>> > Evryone normal should be againts the war and killing of civilians,
>>> everyone
>>> > is against the israel, so far I don't see a problem to hate you in the
>>> same
>>> > way we hate nazi.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

Wow internet threats - really scary... What's your name kid?

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Prototype This wrote:

> Nazis knew the real value of zionist , no wonder they wanted to burn
> them all. Everytime Zionist think they become stronger , they do
> something to deserve to get killed , then later complain that others
> hate them.  They destroyed the Soviet union and now they want to
> destroy the Arab world. Next is Europe & USA. They want us to live the
> miserable live they used to live. Because god have punished them to
> never give them a permanant land ever. Israel is just temporary. We
> will see soon Schneider in a refugee camp speaking to media and
> telling how scared he is from the "bad people of the world".
>
> 2009/1/18 Nicolae :
> > It's funny to see jews acting in the same way as nazi did.
> >
> > If during ww you had these rockets that palestinians is firing you now,
> > wouldn't you fire on nazi too ?
> >
> > So now you are killing those poor people on their lands in the same way
> nazi
> > did with you, you are the same evil as nazi and you do genocide on
> > palestinians on their lands, shame on you cowards, without the new
> weapons
> > and USA money, you could never beat palestinians.
> >
> > In the same time you destabilize the world peace as all the musulman
> > countries could send all the army they have and drop the bombs on your
> > cities, in the same way you did on palestenians, that could cause ww3.
> >
> > There was 400 children killed during these days, I fail to see how any
> human
> > can argue about killing a child, if you isralens still supporting your
> > government, then you are animals not humans.
> >
> > It's a shame for entire world that it could not prevent this, it seem
> like
> > israel/jews are controlling the world and they don't really care about
> other
> > humans...
> > Evryone normal should be againts the war and killing of civilians,
> everyone
> > is against the israel, so far I don't see a problem to hate you in the
> same
> > way we hate nazi.
> >
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Nicolae  wrote:

> It's funny to see jews acting in the same way as nazi did.
>
Considering you are amused by seeing things that don't exist, I suggest you
visit your doctor and have him change your persciptions.


>
>
> If during ww you had these rockets that palestinians is firing you now,
> wouldn't you fire on nazi too ?
>
Jews in Germany were law abiding citizens, not terrorists, that were being
sent to concentration camps based on their race - and were murdered
systematically. 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust - half of the
Jewish population.


>
> So now you are killing those poor people
>
We already established that it is fact that Israel is not targeting
civilians, and that Hamas is using them as human shields.
We already established that Israel is sorry for any civilian injured or hurt
in battle - but Hamas, the elected terrorist government is the one to blame
for civilian deaths - both on the Israeli and the Palestinian side.




> on their lands
>
We already established it was never their land.


> in the same way nazi did with you
>
Jews in Germany were law abiding citizens, not terrorists, that were being
sent to concentration camps based on their race - and were murdered
systematically. 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust - half of the
Jewish population.

, you are the same evil as nazi
>
I think who is evil is you - evident by your hate speech.

and you do genocide
>
We already established that self-defense is not genocide - it's
self-defense.


> on palestinians on their lands
>
We already established it was never their land.


> , shame on you cowards
>
We are not hiding behind civilians.


> , without the new weapons and USA money, you could never beat palestinians.
>
We did.


>
>
> In the same time you destabilize the world peace
>
It is evident that Hamas, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and the rest of the
radical-Islam terror groups are the ones that destabilize world peace.
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists seem to be Muslim - what
does it say about your religion?

as all the musulman countries could send all the army they have and drop the
> bombs on your cities, in the same way you did on palestenians, that could
> cause ww3.
>
They tried, and they lost.


>
>
> There was 400 children killed during these days
>
Blame Hamas for using them as human shields as they fire at IDF soldiers.


> , I fail to see how any human can argue about killing a child, if you
> isralens still supporting your government, then you are animals not humans.
>
You are partly right, even animals have the instinct of self defense. But if
we were animals like Hamas, we would have targeted civilians and would have
ended this story long ago.

Hence we are humans, Hamas are animals - and we have to keep defending
ourselves from Hamas terrorits.


>
>
> It's a shame for entire world that it could not prevent this
>
Yes, it's a shame that Hamas was not stopped before Israel had to step up
and defend itself.


> , it seem like israel/jews are controlling the world and they don't really
> care about other humans...
>
Yes, it's all just one huge big conspiracy against you...


> Evryone normal should be againts the war and killing of civilians
>
Israel is against the war - it always wanted peace and always wants peace -
but it can not negotiate peace with terrorists who do not stop targetting
Israeli civilians.


> , everyone is against the israel
>
Judging by your typos and bad grammer it seems that you are one (very bored)
person.



> , so far I don't see a problem to hate you in the same way we hate nazi.
>
I'm not worried as you don't seem to hate the Nazis that much.

Then again, if it makes you happy - I give you permission to hate me.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM, ghost  wrote:

> Typical zionist trying to tell people what to do...

Was just suggesting he follows his own advise.


>
>
> It's ingrained in them to talk down to others at birth

I guess you have not followed your own thread, ehmmm... Propaganda, the ones
who are talking down on others here are you and your buddies.


> , sorry for the
> mismanners of the typical zionist jew everyone.

You do not need to apologize in my name, I am pretty capable of doing so
myself if I choose to.
 And talking about manners, you should wash your mouth and fingers with a
lot of soap.


>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > Not trying to change anything and I am very tollerant.
> >
> > Why don't you take your advice and get back to computer security?
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Peter Bruderer 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.
> >> None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your
> >> intolerant attitude.
> >> So please shut up and get back to computer security.
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Bruderer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Again I'll ask - what facts?
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
> >>> matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
> >>> propaganda machine.
> >>
> >> I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
> >> propaganda and lies, is you.
> >> Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
> >> offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
> >> repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
> >> needed,
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
> >> > with
> >> > the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
> >> >
> >>
> >> So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
> >> No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be
> >> >> going
> >> >> real well...
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> >The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
> >> >great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
> >> >countries.
> >>
> >> You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
> >> helping.
> >> Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only
> >> ties Israel had with them are drug related).
> >>
> >> >Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
> >> >zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
> >> >come true :)
> >> As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
> >> guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
> >>
> >>
> >> >It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
> >> >more then any other country
> >> I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
> >> Now that you do - who is 'us'?
> >>
> >> > and you support them 100%.
> >> Yes I do.
> >>
> >> > You're a terrorist
> >> http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
> >>
> >> >and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
> >> But Obama is closing it down..,
> >>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Not trying to change anything and I am very tollerant.

Why don't you take your advice and get back to computer security?

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Peter Bruderer wrote:

> We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.
> None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your intolerant
> attitude.
> So please shut up and get back to computer security.
>
>
>
> Peter Bruderer
>
>
>
>
> On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Again I'll ask - what facts?
>> >
>>
>> You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
>> matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
>> propaganda machine.
>
> I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
> propaganda and lies, is you.
> Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
> offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
> repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
> needed,
>
>
> >
> > You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
> with
> > the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
> >
>
> So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
> No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
>
>
>
> >
> >> Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
> >> real well...
> >
> >
>
> >The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
> >great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
> >countries.
>
> You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
> helping.
> Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties
> Israel had with them are drug related).
>
> >Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
> >zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
> >come true :)
> As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
> guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
>
>
> >It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
> >more then any other country
> I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
> Now that you do - who is 'us'?
>
> > and you support them 100%.
> Yes I do.
>
> > You're a terrorist
> http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
>
> >and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
> But Obama is closing it down..,
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM, ghost  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
> > propaganda and lies, is you.
> > Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
> > offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
> > repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
> > needed,
> >
> >
>
> If it isnt from zionist scum you don't believe it. That's a pathetic
> way to live and I feel sorry for you.

Thanks for the sympathy.


>
>
> oh yes! You aren't deliberately spreading false claims right? You're
> basing yours on what israel says and anyone else is wrong. That isn't
> fact. You aren't able to think for yourself, that's a sad life.
>
> >
> > So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
> > No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
> >
>
> Again, wasn't from zionist scum so you don't believe it.


> >
> > You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
> helping.
> > Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only
> ties
> > Israel had with them are drug related).
> >
>
> zionist scum all hopped up on drugs, label me not surprised,  patheticx2.


>
>
> > As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
> guess
> > you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
> >
>
> "as far as we see"

Yes, 'us' == 'the rest of the world'.


>
>
> Shill, proof.

http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd


>
> patheticx3.

I agree. Are you done?


>
>
>
> >
> > I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
> > Now that you do - who is 'us'?
> >
>
> See, thats the problem with zionist scum. It's always zionists... then
> the rest of the world. Us is the USA.

I guess you should have capitalized it and not use it as the objective case
of we.


> The country that you've lived in your entire life too scared to fight along
> your scum brothers in
> israel.

I grew up in Israel.


>
>
> >> and you support them 100%.
> > Yes I do.
> >
>
> Yet too much of a coward to murder innocent civilians

 Not sure exactly what you want me to do? murder innocent civilians? I don't
do that

in the name of your scum brothers.

and neither do my brothers.


> Hm... pathetic.

Yes, you are.


>
>
> >> You're a terrorist
> > http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
> >
> >>and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
> > But Obama is closing it down..,
>
> Yes, and hopefully he opens up camps for you and your scum brothers.
> That will solve 90% of our problems.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Again I'll ask - what facts?
> >
>
> You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
> matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
> propaganda machine.

I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
propaganda and lies, is you.
Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
needed,


>
> You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
with
> the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
>

So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd



>
>> Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
>> real well...
>
>

>The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
>great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
>countries.

You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be helping.
Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties
Israel had with them are drug related).

>Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
>zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
>come true :)
As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I guess
you have to come up with better backup plans than these...


>It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
>more then any other country
I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
Now that you do - who is 'us'?

> and you support them 100%.
Yes I do.

> You're a terrorist
http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g

>and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
But Obama is closing it down..,
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:40 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> How come you never sleep ?

I just woke up.


>
> There's some relay going on, on your propaganda nickname ?

I think the one who is using a propaganda nickname is you 'j-f sentier' - My
real name is Avraham Schneider - you can find my profile on Linked In, and I
don't hide by a propaganda nickname, something so prevalent here lately...

Anyways :
>
> >>Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
> department.
> What a nice reference 
>
Do you dispute it?


> >>I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as governement.
> Hamas resist against your invasion.
>
How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
_civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?

How do they resist? by hiding behind their own _civilians_? Then claiming
victory when Israel pulls out after killing hundreds of them?

>>Thanks for the 'information'.
> I suggest, just in general, that you use a dictionary once in a while...
> I do, and i suggest you to look at the use of this word in the medias or by
> govs, before 9/11/2001.
>
It is clear you don't.


>
> >>I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists
>
> Oh let me guess:
>
> see all your familly killed by israeli, and do nothing = good Palestinian
> see all your familly killed by israelis and then kill some israelis with
> old school rockets = bad Palestinian
>
If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians in general, it could do it much
cheaper and with no Israeli casualties.

Israel pulled out of Gazaa and let the Palestinians have their own
govornment, they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver
plate, in return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent
terrorist suicide bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli
_civilians_ as possible.

Israel is _avoiding civilian casualties_, it is _sorry_ for any _civilians_
wounded or killed during fighting - but this is a _war_, and _civilians die_
- especially since Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as human shields -
http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5

Hamas on the other hand, _target civilians_ - Palestinians are _happy_ when
Israeli civilians die, the same as they were happy at 9/11 - when 3000
innocent civilians dies in the WTC - spreading candy in the streets.

Sure it's always more funny when you can fire at them when they dont fight
> back.
>
We don't fire at them - we don't target civilians, we target the militant
terrorist organizations that hide among the supporting Palestinian
population.
Any civilian who stores weapons in his house should not complain that his
house is bombed.
any civilian who has a smuggling tunnel underground, should not complain
that his house is bombed.

No other country does what Israel does - i.e. make over 250 thousand
phonecalls to warn enemy's civilians to leave an area about to be bombed -
during war.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:42 AM, ghost  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > What facts?
> >
>
>
> Point proven. If it isn't from zionist then it isn't a fact, typical
> zionist scum.

Again I'll ask - what facts?


>
>
> You work for an israeli based company, that proves your a shill.

You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along with
the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...


>
>
> I will rejoice once israel is wiped off the face of earth once and for all.

Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
real well...
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM, ghost  wrote:

> Typical zionist scum response, when faced with facts he can't handle
> he claims its all made up.
>
What facts?


>
>
> You're nothing but a shill, which is proven by the company you work
> for, i'm sure you didn't get that job because you were a jew either...
> right?
>
Yes, it's all just 1 big conspiracy...


>
>
> Pathetic.
>
Agree.


>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a
> British
> > jurnalist that says:
> > "I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
> > factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of
> its
> > arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk "
> >
> > Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
> > Palestinians - really credible...
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:
> >>
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
> >>
> >>
> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
> >>
> >> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
> >> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
> >> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
> >> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
> >>
> >> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
> >> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
> >> unstable.
> >>
> >> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>  wrote:
> >> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
> >> > cared
> >> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
> >> > topic
> >> > out - especially since you use gmail...
> >> >
> >> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been
> following
> >> > it
> >> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
> >> >
> >> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
> >> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
> >> > going
> >> > on here.
> >> >
> >> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
> >> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will
> have
> >> > to
> >> > continue being unhappy.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
> >> >> discussing
> >> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
> >> >> about
> >> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
> >> >> from
> >> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
> >> >> arguments.
> >> >>
> >> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.
>  You
> >> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing
> is
> >> >> a
> >> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
> >> >>
> >> >> Grow up.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
> >> >>
> >> >> -Original Message-
> >> >> From: ghost 
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
> >> >> To: Full Disclosure
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
> >> >> You're a propoganda shill.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
> >> >> > showing
> >&g

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:43 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> >>"I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one."
>
> there's difference between jews and sionist, as i said before jews !=
> sionist

Your point is?


>
> and i'm trully antisionist, and this get enforced when i listen free
> propaganda like Avraham does
>
Good for you. You should add that to your linked-in profile... I'm sure it
adds a lot to your credibility.

> Also Mr schneider, you forgot an important fact :
> Palestinian are resistants, not terrorists there's a true difference on
> that one,
>
I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists, I said Hamas was, and that the
Palestinians elected Hamas as governement.
I also mentioned that the Palestinians in general give cover to those
terrorists and allow them to store and smuggle weapons.

Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
department.


>but i see you comming "no no they're terrorist, they throw rockets around
the border and kill innocent israelis"
>Well in this case, the resistants in world war 2 should be also called
terrorist.

Nope - a world of a difference - the resistnence groups in WWII were
fighting military targets, as opposed to Hamas, who blantly aims at civilian
targets (in addition to using civilians for cover).
>Also for your information, the true meaning of the word "terrorist" is very
close to mercenary.
Thanks for the 'information'.
I suggest, just in general, that you use a dictionary once in a while...

>A protester is not a terrorist, or shall i call you a terrorist because you
protest with weapons agains palestinian ?
If that makes you happy, I can care less...

>See propaganda starts right here :)
I wish I didn't.



>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/18 ghost 
>
> lmao! OH I GET IT!
>>
>> See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it.
>>
>> BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW
>>
>> then everything you say is a complete lie and made up.
>>
>> You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about
>> israel.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > Here you go -
>> > http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
>> > http://tinyurl.com/lu4et
>> >
>> >
>> > Have fun reading facts...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a
>> British
>> >> jurnalist that says:
>> >> "I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the
>> new
>> >> factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of
>> its
>> >> arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk "
>> >>
>> >> Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
>> >> Palestinians - really credible...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
>> >>> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
>> >>> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
>> >>> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
>> >>>
>> >>> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
>> >>> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
>> >>> unstable.
>> >>>
>> >>> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
>> >>> > cared
>> >>> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
>> >>> > topic
>> >>> > out - especially since you use gmail...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been
>> >>> > following it
>> >>> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
>> >>> 

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Here you go -
http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
http://tinyurl.com/lu4et*

*
Have fun reading facts...


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider <
avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:

> sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
> jurnalist that says:
> "I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
> factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
> arguments around the world. 
> *paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk*"
>
> Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
> Palestinians - really credible...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
>>
>> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
>>
>> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
>> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
>> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
>> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
>>
>> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
>> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
>> unstable.
>>
>> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
>> cared
>> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
>> topic
>> > out - especially since you use gmail...
>> >
>> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following
>> it
>> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
>> >
>> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
>> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
>> going
>> > on here.
>> >
>> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
>> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have
>> to
>> > continue being unhappy.
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
>> discussing
>> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
>> about
>> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
>> from
>> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
>> >> arguments.
>> >>
>> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
>> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is
>> a
>> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
>> >>
>> >> Grow up.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: ghost 
>> >>
>> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
>> >> To: Full Disclosure
>> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
>> >> You're a propoganda shill.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
>> showing
>> >> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
>> >> > footage
>> >> > and none have contested it.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
>> >> > considering
>> >> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as
>> it
>> >> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
>> >> >
>> >> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
>> fake
>> >> > or
>> >> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>> >> >
>> >>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
jurnalist that says:
"I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
arguments around the world.
*paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk*"

Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
Palestinians - really credible...


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
>
> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
>
> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
>
> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
> unstable.
>
> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared
> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
> topic
> > out - especially since you use gmail...
> >
> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following
> it
> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
> >
> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
> going
> > on here.
> >
> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have
> to
> > continue being unhappy.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
> >>
> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
> discussing
> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
> about
> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
> from
> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
> >> arguments.
> >>
> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is
> a
> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
> >>
> >> Grow up.
> >>
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: ghost 
> >>
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
> >> To: Full Disclosure
> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
> >>
> >>
> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
> >> You're a propoganda shill.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>  wrote:
> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
> showing
> >> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
> >> > footage
> >> > and none have contested it.
> >> >
> >> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
> >> > considering
> >> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as
> it
> >> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
> >> >
> >> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
> fake
> >> > or
> >> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared
that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic
out - especially since you use gmail...

It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it
so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.

I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going
on here.

I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to
continue being unhappy.

Cheers.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:

> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop discussing
> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be about
> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right, from
> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
> arguments.
>
> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You guys
> aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste
> of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
>
> Grow up.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ghost 
>
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
> To: Full Disclosure
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>
>
> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
> You're a propoganda shill.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
> footage
> > and none have contested it.
> >
> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
> considering
> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
> >
> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
> or
> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
> >
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

If you really think the IDF needs to produce fake footage, you should visit
your doctor and ask for reevaluation of your prescription medications.



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, ghost  wrote:

> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
> You're a propoganda shill.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
> footage
> > and none have contested it.
> >
> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
> considering
> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
> >
> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
> or
> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
> >
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

yes, and Santa Claus really exists.



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Prototype This wrote:

> HAHAHA. Even the pentagon faked the 9/11 . So dont tell us that a
> little group of stupid zionists will not follow the same mistake their
> daddy did .
> Israel took down the WTC and has the weakest army in the whole
> universe. IF you didnt had planes. Israel will be just like monaco.
>
> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider :
> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
> footage
> > and none have contested it.
> >
> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
> considering
> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
> >
> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
> or
> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> >> > > You're doctrinated, man!
> >> > >
> >> > You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
> >> >
> >>
> >> lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...
> >>
> >> btw, are you the new id of "n3td3v" ?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> > > You're doctrinated, man!
> > >
> > You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
> >
>
> lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...
>
> btw, are you the new id of "n3td3v" ?
>
nope. I am not hiding behind any ID - it's my real name.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage
and none have contested it.

It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering
the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
would be shooting itself in the foot.

In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or
not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> > > You're doctrinated, man!
> > >
> > You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
> >
>
> lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...
>
> btw, are you the new id of "n3td3v" ?
>
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

Do you call Valdis a troll too?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:

>
> 2009/1/16 
>
>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:03:24 +0200,
>> He probably has a 50 pound bag of Purina Troll Chow that he's trying to
>> get
>> rid of.
>>
>>
> LOL,
> 50 pound bag?
> Wrong: it was 80 pound!
>
> Do you want some?
> :)
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:

> Israel has one of the most powerful and advanced armies.
> But they cannot find their enemy.

Sure they can - Hamas is hiding in civilian homes, firing rockets from the
rooftops and use civilian homes for weapon storage.


>
> When there is maybe one hamas-soldier, the israeli can't shoot him when hey
> is in a building, the israeli bomb the whole building.

You wrongly assume it is one hamas-"soldier" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE watch this video, it will explain
a bit...


>
>
> In modern world we use intelligence and we have snipers.

True.

>
> In modern world we do not blow up a whole building when there are probably
> weapons from the enemy in that building.

You need to prove that claim.


>
> And we do not blow up a building when there are civilians inside.

Israel calls up the civilians inside and gives them 20 minutes to evacuate,
they also drop flyers from above alerting civilians to evacuate - this is
something that is unuique in the "modern world" - no country is known to be
this humane at times of war.

Israel has a top priority of protecting it's own citizens - if Hamas uses
the civilians as human shields - Hamas is the one to blame for their deaths.


>
> In modern world we do not shoot at the enemy when he is among civilians.

You need to prive that claim.


>
> And we never bomb the UN or Red Cross. And then say 'sorry,  it was a
> mistake"

In the "medern world" your enemy does not fire anti-tank misiles from a UN
or Red Cross compound at you.


>
> And the next day bomb another hospital. and say 'sorry' again.

We are always sorry for innocent civilian deaths - should we remind you of
the cheering that was done in the streets of Gaza, with candies being
distributed to everyone for the death of 3000 innocent American civilians at
9/11? Why didn't we see them upset for civilian casualties?


>
>
> Why do the israeli not use their army.

Not sure I understand your question? Don't you think Israel could easily
wipe out Gaza with all it's inhibitents in exactly 10 minutes? Why do you
think Israel is risking it's soldier's lives for? Exactly for the reason you
are claiming Israel is ignoring - for protecting civilian lives.



>
> I agree that their army is one of the most powerful, but why not use this?

Do you want them to just Nuke Gaza?


>
>
> And apologize for my english.
> I'm not native english. I'm dutch.
> And I am sure that my english is better then your dutch.

Yes, but you are comparing Apples to Oranges. I am a native Hebrew speaker.
I don't go on Dutch forums and start mumbling nonsense in a lunguage I am
not fluent with.


>
> So please do not attack people because of their english.

I didn't attack you - just mentioned you need to get professional help with
your English.


>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/16 Avraham Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Handrix  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Avraham Schneider <
>>> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Israel is fighting terrorists - those terrorists decide to attack
>>>> websites (since they wrongly believe it will help their cause)[1] - Israel
>>>> cares less.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> It is  Cyber-War because those terrorists are fighting a war against
>>>> Israel - and the 'Cyber' is just an additional front for this war - not an
>>>> important one, hence ignored by Israel, but it still is.
>>>>
>>>> If you call blowing yourself up in a bus, trying to kill as many
>>>> passengers as possible - 'protest' - than by your definition one may call
>>>> this 'Cyber-Protest' - but since normal people call those who practice
>>>> suicide bombings 'terrorists', by their definition it is called either
>>>> 'Cyber-Terrorism' - or since there is a war on terror - 'Cyber-War'.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this explains it for you.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  wich terrorisme you'are talking about ?
>>>  You do not understand the concept of terrorisme, the real terrorist is
>>> israel that kills children and women.
>>>  I hope that you will learn more about terrorisme.
>>>
>> First, I'd recommend you get some professional help with your English
>> before you post your opinions in English for everyone to read - it doesn't
>> help your credibility at all.
>>
>> Israel does not target civilians, the terroris

Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

Then I guess he shouldn't complain...

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM,  wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:03:24 +0200, Avraham Schneider said:
>
> > If I'm a troll, why do you feed me then?
>
> He probably has a 50 pound bag of Purina Troll Chow that he's trying to get
> rid of.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

This mailing list, and any other un-moderated list for that matter, work
asynchronously - i.e. you can always post a security related message on this
thread, or open a new thread by composing an e-mail with a different
subject.

We are not blocking and you don't need our permission to do so.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM, James Matthews wrote:

> Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security?
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider <
> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> s/neiboring/neighboring/g
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider <
>> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>
>>>> >You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>>>> Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
>>>> Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your ""country"" is driven
>>>> by that .
>>>>
>>> There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any
>>> of the surrounding arab countries?
>>> Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time
>>> - even if he was a minister, or a president.
>>> This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
>>> neiboring arab countries should adopt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>>>> >No I don't.
>>>>
>>>> i understand that :)
>>>>
>>>> Die slowly with lots of pain.
>>>>
>>> I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
>>> you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
>>> health...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
>>>>>> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
>>>>>> you dont answer on any real questions
>>>>>
>>>>> You obviously ignore everything I write
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> , you say always the same stuff
>>>>>
>>>>> No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
>>>>>> die
>>>>>
>>>>> When did I say that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,
>>>>>
>>>>> Great!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> just  your polititian.
>>>>>> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
>>>>>> didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and what you still  promoting them ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
>>>>> propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No I don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
>>>>>>> you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to 
>>>>>>> being a
>>>>>>> Computer Security Mailing List?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  You are paid to say that Avraham,

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

s/neiboring/neighboring/g

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>
>> >You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>> Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
>> Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your ""country"" is driven by
>> that .
>>
> There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of
> the surrounding arab countries?
> Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time -
> even if he was a minister, or a president.
> This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
> neiboring arab countries should adopt.
>
>
>
>>
>> >>Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>> >No I don't.
>>
>> i understand that :)
>>
>> Die slowly with lots of pain.
>>
> I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
> you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
> health...
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>
>>>> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
>>>> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
>>>> you dont answer on any real questions
>>>
>>> You obviously ignore everything I write
>>>
>>>
>>>> , you say always the same stuff
>>>
>>> No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.
>>>
>>>
>>>> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
>>>> die
>>>
>>> When did I say that?
>>>
>>>
>>>> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>>
>>>> just  your polititian.
>>>> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
>>>> didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.
>>>
>>> You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> and what you still  promoting them ?
>>>
>>> Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
>>> propaganda.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>>>>
>>> No I don't.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>>>
>>>>> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
>>>>> you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being 
>>>>> a
>>>>> Computer Security Mailing List?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
>>>>>> Schneider 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
>>>>>>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
>>>>>>>> Israeli's have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
>>>>>>> from there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> >You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
> Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
> Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your ""country"" is driven by
> that .
>
There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of
the surrounding arab countries?
Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time -
even if he was a minister, or a president.
This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
neiboring arab countries should adopt.



>
> >>Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
> >No I don't.
>
> i understand that :)
>
> Die slowly with lots of pain.
>
I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
health...


>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
>>> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
>>> you dont answer on any real questions
>>
>> You obviously ignore everything I write
>>
>>
>>> , you say always the same stuff
>>
>> No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.
>>
>>
>>> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die
>>
>> When did I say that?
>>
>>
>>> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,
>>
>> Great!
>>
>>
>>> just  your polititian.
>>> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
>>> didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.
>>
>> You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> and what you still  promoting them ?
>>
>> Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
>> propaganda.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>>>
>> No I don't.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>>
>>>> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>>>>
>>>> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you,
>>>> or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a
>>>> Computer Security Mailing List?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
>>>>> Schneider 
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
>>>>>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
>>>>>>> Israeli's have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
>>>>>> from there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
> you dont answer on any real questions

You obviously ignore everything I write


> , you say always the same stuff

No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die

When did I say that?


> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

Great!


> just  your polititian.
> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't
> end up his mandate with corruption charges.

You can go to the Kneset website and find out.


>
> and what you still  promoting them ?

Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
propaganda.


>
> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>
No I don't.


>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>>
>> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you,
>> or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a
>> Computer Security Mailing List?
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
>>> Schneider 
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
>>>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>>>>
>>>>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
>>>>> Israeli's have.
>>>>
>>>> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
>>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>>>>
>>>> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:36 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> You're fake dude.
>
> You're defending blindly what's not defendable, and you're not dumb enought
> for that, so you're paid by someone.
>
If blindly is defined giving you clear facts - and not defendable is defined
as self defense...

Regarding the being paid statement, it is something that would be very
difficult for me to disprove, and since it has nothing to do with the facts
- I won't bother. Besides, if anyone wants to send me money for this - I
will take it gladly, I accept paypal/cash/money order, you name it... :-)

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:10 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
>>> Israel
>>>
>>> Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.
>>>
>>> Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
>>> phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
>>> school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.
>>>
>> The IDF didn't kill 1000 civilians - some civilians have died, many
>> civilians have died, but that is only because of Hamas.
>> Israel has the right to defend itself, and that includes firing at it's
>> enemy -even if they use civilians as shields-.
>>
>> No other country in the world makes a qaurter of a milion phone calls to
>> warn civilians to leave an area that is going to be bombed before they bomb
>> it during battle. Especially when those civilians store weapons in their
>> homes and/or have weapon smugling tunnels underground.
>>
>> Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
>>> wasn't pro war/revenge.
>>>
>> They could instead choose they want peace, stop firing rockets at us, I
>> think that would be a good start.
>>
>>>
>>> So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to
>>> you ?
>>> not much eh ?
>>>
>> If the Palestinian is a terrorist, there is no difference.
>>
>>>
>>> Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.
>>>
>> Look up the definition in the dictionary.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
>>> killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
>>> segfaulted :
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
>>> This remind you something ?
>>>
>> How does this have anything to do with rockets being fired at Israel?
>> Besides - it "was carried out between 16 and 18 September 1982 by the 
>> Lebanese
>> Forces <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Forces> militia group" -
>> i.e. -not by Israel-.
>>
>> You should blame them for it - and I don't see Hamas firing rockets at
>> them - so your whole argument is pointless.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
>>> legit to killed anyone ?
>>>
>> It's not 5 rockets - it's a daily bombardment of rockets fired at Israeli
>> cities with people that need to run to the shelters whenever the alarm goes
>> on.
>>
>> And yes, even 1 rocket fired across your borders from an enemy entity
>> justifies killing those that fire at you.
>>
>>
>>> And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?
>>>
>> They can talk as much as they want, but if they fire at Israeli civilians,
>> the IDF will fire back at them.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/17 andrew. wallace 
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>>>
>>>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
>>>> Israeli's have.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>>>
>>>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>>>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you, or
you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a Computer
Security Mailing List?

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.
>
> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>>
>>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
>>> have.
>>
>> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
>> questions.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>>
>>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>>
>> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
>> there.
>>
>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyC-z0b6L5Y


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:21 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> Okay so hamas are totally the bad guys.But let's reverse this out.
> Who have stolen them land via some warsss around ?
> We do not talk about british land taken from the otoman or so , just
> palestine how it was in 1948 and how it is now
>
> Please wake up dude.
>
>
> 2009/1/17 Paul Schmehl 
>
>> --On January 17, 2009 5:41:15 PM -0600 "andrew.wallace"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
>> > shield. Israel did.
>>
>> Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being
>> fired upon.
>>
>> Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog
>> them all.
>>
>> Now please take this scrum off list.
>>
>> Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already
>> obvious, my opinions are my own
>> and not those of my employer.
>> **
>> WARNING: Check the headers before replying
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:

>
>
> 2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider :
>>
>
>> > Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
>> > and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
>> > being killed.
>>
>
> Do you really believe that civilians go to an area they being warned that
> the israeli going to attack?
> Should you do that?
> Saying to your children: "Oh, it's almost 8 PM, we have to go to the
> mainstreet: look at the fireworks from the israeli soldiers. "
> You believe that? Stupid asshole
>
You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.


>
>
>
> > If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
>> > would not use them as human shields
>>
>
> Yep, thats right! They don't do that. Thats israeli news. Not independent.
> You're doctrinated, man!
>
You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.

>
>
>
>>  > If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
>> > terrorist organization, for government
>>
>
> No, they HAVE to elect Hamas. Thats the only way to do something against
> the occupiers: fight back!
>
Hamas was designated as a terrorist organization for a reason.
Fight back? Israel has left Gaza 8 years ago, what reason do they have to
'fight back'?
And how, by firing at civilian targets?


>
>
>
>> > and they would not climb to
>> > rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they
>> see
>> > civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save
>> the
>> > weapons stored at the building).
>>
>
> Yes, they would not. And they do not! Read independent papers, or watch
> independent news. Not the israeli propaganda. You should known better!
>
You can find videos on youtube.


>
>
> It's not possible to discuss with indoctrinated people.
> But I will do my best.
>
Why on a computer security mailing list?

>
> But in the list, mr Schneider, stop annoying me private!
>
When you send me private e-mails, I reply in private.



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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:10 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>  wrote:
>
> Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
> Israel
>
> Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.
>
> Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
> phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
> school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.
>
The IDF didn't kill 1000 civilians - some civilians have died, many
civilians have died, but that is only because of Hamas.
Israel has the right to defend itself, and that includes firing at it's
enemy -even if they use civilians as shields-.

No other country in the world makes a qaurter of a milion phone calls to
warn civilians to leave an area that is going to be bombed before they bomb
it during battle. Especially when those civilians store weapons in their
homes and/or have weapon smugling tunnels underground.

Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
> wasn't pro war/revenge.
>
They could instead choose they want peace, stop firing rockets at us, I
think that would be a good start.

>
> So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to you
> ?
> not much eh ?
>
If the Palestinian is a terrorist, there is no difference.

>
> Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.
>
Look up the definition in the dictionary.


>
> And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
> killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
> segfaulted :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
> This remind you something ?
>
How does this have anything to do with rockets being fired at Israel?
Besides - it "was carried out between 16 and 18 September 1982 by the Lebanese
Forces <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Forces> militia group" - i.e.
-not by Israel-.

You should blame them for it - and I don't see Hamas firing rockets at them
- so your whole argument is pointless.


>
> Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
> legit to killed anyone ?
>
It's not 5 rockets - it's a daily bombardment of rockets fired at Israeli
cities with people that need to run to the shelters whenever the alarm goes
on.

And yes, even 1 rocket fired across your borders from an enemy entity
justifies killing those that fire at you.


> And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?
>
They can talk as much as they want, but if they fire at Israeli civilians,
the IDF will fire back at them.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/17 andrew. wallace 
>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>
>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
>> have.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>
>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>
> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
> have.

During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking questions.


>
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>
> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
there.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Prototype This  wrote:

> 2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider :
> > Show me 1 country that would act differently.
> >
> > The soldiers who returned fire did not know there were civilians in the
> > building. They were responding to fire being shot at them during a war
> from
> > a building - they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
> or
> > not and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
> >
> > Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
> > and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
> > being killed.
> They cannot leave in normal time , so how could they leave in war time

Why don't they leave to Egypt or any other Arab country for that matter...?
Regardless, they can and should leave the area that is being bombed, and
flee to a different area that is not (yet) being bombed.
That's the smart thing to do...

>
> ?? Israel did a holocaust and i pray the next missile hamas fire it
> will land on you and let you disabled for the rest of your life. you
> are stupid brainwashed person.

You are not helping your credibility with these sort of statements.


>
>
> > It is one of the sad facts of war - people die.
> >
> > If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
> > would not use them as human shields.
>
> > If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
> > terrorist organization, for government - and they would not climb to
> > rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they
> see
> > civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
> > weapons stored at the building).
>
> Israel is the terrorist state , since the beginning it had no 1 year
> of peace. So dont tell me all the others are bad. It Israel who is a
> pest to this world

Why do make empty statements and place them as a reply to facts I have
stated  - do you contest what I have written just above your response?

How does the fact that Israel want peace since before it's establishment and
the Arabs chose war every time they thought they could win (and lost) - make
Israel a terrorist state?
I think you should look up the word 'terror' in the dictionary - read up
other words while you are at it, your English needs improvement in general.


> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, andrew. wallace
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
> >> shield. Israel did.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>  wrote:
> >> > What do you consider as war crimes?
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
> >> >  wrote:
> >> > Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.
> >
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Show me 1 country that would act differently.

The soldiers who returned fire did not know there were civilians in the
building. They were responding to fire being shot at them during a war from
a building - they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building or
not and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
being killed.

It is one of the sad facts of war - people die.

If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
would not use them as human shields.

If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
terrorist organization, for government - and they would not climb to
rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they see
civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
weapons stored at the building).



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
> shield. Israel did.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > What do you consider as war crimes?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
> >  wrote:
> > Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
Israel - I find it hard to believe Israel will pull out of Gaza any time
soon...

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:27 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> I've heard analysts say the ceasefire was always planned for tonight
> ahead of Barack Obama's inauguration on Tuesday.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > until Hamas decides to fire at Israeli civilians again...
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, andrew. wallace
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>  wrote:
> >> > I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good
> work.
> >>
> >> Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
> >> 0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

considering this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXUOs27lI

I find the IDF much more credible than the UN.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:01 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> Yeah sure from the UN building.
> What was the excuse this time ?
> The palestinian janitor working in the building was hidding some weapon
> under his rag or what ?
>
> it's an UN building not a market place.
>
> Wake up dude you got brainwashed by tsahal once again
>
> 2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider 
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>
>>> >>I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
>>> I guess the ""terrorists"" was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
>>> terrorist too ?
>>
>> The UN are not terrorists, the terrorists were firing from the UN
>> building, expecting Israel not to fire back.
>>
>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

you don't seem to care for Hamas being charged for war crimes, do you? I
guess firing rockets for 8 years at civilian targets (actively trying to
kill civilians) does not count as a war crime for you.

What do you consider as war crimes? Protecting your own civilians from
terrorists hiding behind civilians and killing civilians by mistake?


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:01 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> > the UN building.
> > What was the excuse this time ?
>
> Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

until Hamas decides to fire at Israeli civilians again...

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.
>
> Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
> 0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> >>I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.
>
>
> Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
> I guess the ""terrorists"" was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
> terrorist too ?

The UN are not terrorists, the terrorists were firing from the UN building,
expecting Israel not to fire back.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

more than 60% of them armed terrorists hiding in a dense civilian area -
some of them dressed up as doctors and shooting from UN and red-cross
buildings.

I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Handrix  wrote:

> Yes, as you say Mainbox.
>
> Today Ehud Olmert said that he loved gaza's children,.
> after 22 days of war and deaths of more than 1,200 Palestinians.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Mainbox Notif wrote:
>
>> Goodmorning everybody!
>> I dont know the time at yours, but here it is morning.
>> And it is a beautifull day!
>> A beautifull day for killing some israelian monkeys!
>>
>>
>>
>> (Oh please Schmehl and Schneider (Whats in a name...),
>> do reply.
>> :)
>> ]
>>
>>> 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:

>
> And a new 'trol' is born: Schneider.

If I'm a troll, why do you feed me then?


>
> This is completely off topic.


> This thread is not about the war Israel vs Palestina!
> This is about Cyber-War in general.

I was responding to a false claim that was made here - I think the person
that is off-topic is you.


>
>
> Mr. Schneider,
> Please do not always response with your opinion.

Request denied.


>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/15 Avraham Schneider 
>
>>  If you call blowing yourself up in a bus, trying to kill as many
>> passengers as possible - 'protest' - than by your definition one may call
>> this 'Cyber-Protest' - but since normal people call those who practice
>> suicide bombings 'terrorists', by their definition it is called either
>> 'Cyber-Terrorism' - or since there is a war on terror - 'Cyber-War'.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:19 PM, andrew. wallace <
>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > 2009/1/14 andrew. wallace :
>>> > Two sides fighting, a government and some other entity
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jan G.B. 
>>> wrote:
>>> > It's a term that describes an asynchronous warfare between sides
>>>
>>> *No two sides are fighting each other in Cyber*
>>>
>>> Conclusion: No Cyber War
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Handrix  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Avraham Schneider <
> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Israel is fighting terrorists - those terrorists decide to attack websites
>> (since they wrongly believe it will help their cause)[1] - Israel cares
>> less.
>>
>
>> It is  Cyber-War because those terrorists are fighting a war against
>> Israel - and the 'Cyber' is just an additional front for this war - not an
>> important one, hence ignored by Israel, but it still is.
>>
>> If you call blowing yourself up in a bus, trying to kill as many
>> passengers as possible - 'protest' - than by your definition one may call
>> this 'Cyber-Protest' - but since normal people call those who practice
>> suicide bombings 'terrorists', by their definition it is called either
>> 'Cyber-Terrorism' - or since there is a war on terror - 'Cyber-War'.
>>
>> I hope this explains it for you.
>>
>
>
>  wich terrorisme you'are talking about ?
>  You do not understand the concept of terrorisme, the real terrorist is
> israel that kills children and women.
>  I hope that you will learn more about terrorisme.
>
First, I'd recommend you get some professional help with your English before
you post your opinions in English for everyone to read - it doesn't help
your credibility at all.

Israel does not target civilians, the terrorists who Israel is fighting
against, are.
Those terrorists that Israelis are fighting, are using those women and
children as human shields and use their homes as a hiding place and for
weapon storage.

Israel does everything it can to prevent civilian casualties, but it is
impossible under these conditions.

Israel has as a top priority the life and security of it's own citizens
(Muslim, Christian or Jew), and has to defend it's borders from the evil
attacks of those terrorists.

The fact that those terrorists fail to acheive high numbers of casualties on
the Israeli side and Israel is acheiving high numbers of casualties on the
Palestinian side is attributed to the fact that Israel is stronger - not
that Israel is wrong.

I hope that explains it for you.


>
>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=&hl=iw&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ynet.co.il%2Farticles%2F0%2C7340%2CL-3656862%2C00.html&sl=iw&tl=en&swap=1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:19 PM, andrew. wallace <
>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > 2009/1/14 andrew. wallace :
>>> > Two sides fighting, a government and some other entity
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jan G.B. 
>>> wrote:
>>> > It's a term that describes an asynchronous warfare between sides
>>>
>>> *No two sides are fighting each other in Cyber*
>>>
>>> Conclusion: No Cyber War
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

Israel is fighting terrorists - those terrorists decide to attack websites
(since they wrongly believe it will help their cause)[1] - Israel cares
less.

It is  Cyber-War because those terrorists are fighting a war against Israel
- and the 'Cyber' is just an additional front for this war - not an
important one, hence ignored by Israel, but it still is.

If you call blowing yourself up in a bus, trying to kill as many passengers
as possible - 'protest' - than by your definition one may call this
'Cyber-Protest' - but since normal people call those who practice suicide
bombings 'terrorists', by their definition it is called either
'Cyber-Terrorism' - or since there is a war on terror - 'Cyber-War'.

I hope this explains it for you.

[1]
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=&hl=iw&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ynet.co.il%2Farticles%2F0%2C7340%2CL-3656862%2C00.html&sl=iw&tl=en&swap=1




On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:19 PM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> > 2009/1/14 andrew. wallace :
> > Two sides fighting, a government and some other entity
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jan G.B. 
> wrote:
> > It's a term that describes an asynchronous warfare between sides
>
> *No two sides are fighting each other in Cyber*
>
> Conclusion: No Cyber War
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?

[Avraham Schneider]

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ynet.co.il%2Farticles%2F0%2C7340%2CL-3656862%2C00.html&sl=iw&tl=en


On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:14 PM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> If "cyber war" is just web site defacement then I don't think we ever
> need to take "cyber war" too seriously.
>
> It seems to me that "cyber war" just means protesters protesting and
> no actual cyber war is there, as a cyber war would mean two sides
> fighting, although two sides aren't fighting in "cyber" its all
> one-way script kid web defacement, not real war in any sense.
>
> Two sides fighting, a government and some other entity and the
> internet stuck in the middle, now that would mean "cyber war", there
> has been no cyber war and is unlikely to be one.
>
> If people are marching in London today in the streets against the
> Israel-Gaza conflict is that called "war"? Of course not, so why are
> the media so quick to call protesting on-line, a war? [1]
>
> What it really is, is folks protesting... a cyber protest, not a war.
>
> Why are we using the wrong words to describe stuff? It's not even the
> media, it was Gary Warner on a web log. [2]
>
> [1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7809656.stm
>
> [2]
> http://garwarner.blogspot.com/2008/12/muslim-hackers-declare-cyberwar-on.html
>
> We as a community should be cautious about using the wrong words to
> describe stuff, because the media take influence from us guys on
> mailing lists and blogs and at security conferences, so its important
> we use "cyber protest" when script kids deface some web sites.
>
> To put the right angle on this, it's unlikely to be new people doing
> the defacements, its likely to be script kids who were defacers
> anyway, and just change their political message to go with *whatever
> the current climate is*.
>
> Tomorrow the same folks will be defacing with a new message, they
> don't care *really* about the message, defacers will find any reason
> to deface.
>
> It's unlikely the Israel-Gaza conflict defacers were only sprung into
> action because of what is going on in the world, they would be
> defacing anyway and looking for any excuse to do so.
>
> Let's be careful from now on I don't like to see the wrong buzzwords
> used and i'm sure Gadi doesn't either.
>
> If Hamas cyber attacked Israel and Israel had a cyber response, then
> that would be cyber war. This is not cyber war folks, this is a cyber
> protest those kids are doing, they are unlikely to be connected with
> anything thats going on and were web defacers anyway with a different
> defacement message the day before.
>
> Please I hope we as security experts know the difference.
>
> I wrote this Email just incase because i'm sick of certain buzzwords
> like cyber war when there isn't a cyber war.
>
> When the day comes that a government and another entity is two-way
> cyber fighting and say for instance critical national infrastructure
> is affected then you can talk about cyber war, until then please
> describe web site defacers as "cyber protest".
>
> A cyber war is two-way fighting, one-way fighting is not a war!
>
> And to clarify, a bunch of kids defacing a web site and you applying a
> patch afterwards is not classed as two-way fighting and cannot be
> considered "cyber war" either.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust

[Avraham Schneider]

you had the wrong assumption that he is used to thinking or at least knows
how to do that.

In order to answer your email in any intelligent manner, he will first have
to think. He does not have that skill.


On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Some Guy Posting To Full Disclosure <
fd.le...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Okay e.hitler you mention you're attacking Israeli servers*, lets
> ignore the impact of that for a second. e.Hitler I want you to tell
> me, in more than a sentence, why you did that. Yeh, you failed to
> mention it in your original post. Tell me exactly how your cause makes
> you feel, and why.
>
> Now tell me how what you're doing makes a difference, that is: 'In
> what way does what you did help solve the problem that was bothering
> you?' (read it!: HOW does it make a difference, don't just tell me
> THAT it makes a difference, I want you to describe out a sequence of
> events.
>
> One more question. Do you think you're a good hacker (in terms of
> skill). I'm not saying you're good or bad, I've no idea. Further more
> I couldn't tell you what makes a good hacker, I don't know enough
> (any) of them. Do you think that this event here proves that, or at
> least aids proving it?
>
> *Btw defacements happen all the time - wanna do some research on
> pathetic skiddies? search the 'google dorks' included in web app
> exploits when they're published on milw0rm. They're actually competing
> for the servers (re-owning them, etc). Those 21 sites are a drop in
> the ocean compared to how many (even ant-Israeli, and the other side)
> defacements have happened.
> As for the paypal accounts and (so called) 'ownage' of individuals and
> their personal data, really this is another drop in the ocean for
> Israel (what its economy). Compare the well-being of these individuals
> with the number of people being killed in a WAR! Hell! Compare it to
> the holocaust, now argue with a WWII vet or holocaust survivor (are
> there any still living?) that you are e.Hitler, righteous internet
> warrior. Not only that, most CC companies give you the money you lost
> scams or stolen paypals. You can even cancel it before transactions
> are payed. Then there's insurance companies.
>
> Cheers.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] mr wallace must be stopped and i know how

[Avraham Schneider]

What makes you believe that there is any criteria that qualifies him as an
adult?

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:13 PM,  wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:54:25 +0200, Avraham Schneider said:
> > That would be child pornography...
>
> The statutes in most places specify *calendar* age, not intellectual age.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] mr wallace must be stopped and i know how

[Avraham Schneider]

I am quite sure even 30 years ago there were laws against child pornography
- but than again, 30 years ago I doubt even his parents were born.


On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Peter Bruderer wrote:

> maybe you could have impressed somebody with that offer 30 years ago.
> Today with all the great looking pornstars on the net it is probably a
> great relief we don't have to look at your nude pictures.
>
> On 13.01.2009, at 10:44, sexyazngr...@mac.hush.com wrote:
> >
> > i'll trade you my nude photos if you can demonstrate any
> > contribution you have made to the computer security community
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] mr wallace must be stopped and i know how

[Avraham Schneider]

That would be child pornography...

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM,  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> i'll trade you my nude photos if you can demonstrate any
> contribution you have made to the computer security community
>
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:17:03 -0500 Jubei Trippataka
>  wrote:
> >Anyone that can cop that much abuse and prosper has to be
> >extremely
> >sadomasochistic. The delusion that a blogger such as Mr Wallace
> >somehow
> >contributes to the security community is hilarious at first and
> >when the
> >comical side clears you have that pathetic little failed abortion
> >asking why
> >he's the target of abuse. To be honest, I'd rather have my
> >children babysat
> >by Josef Fritzel than take security advice from this schizo.
> >
> >--
> >ciao
> >
> >JT
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Charset: UTF8
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> Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify
>
> wpwEAQMCAAYFAklsYm8ACgkQynWwk3/AtyMnEAP/fvQZCdLaomFt9q4cyJR+FggOcr9b
> PcpszDsqaKS05KmgR16KjDDIRN9T2tTOhfqhN3Am1SOv0V9KISTkvuODcNMcIpIuu9Jg
> PIUb62p80egiaBHmNdfrZfFuRPp7fKzzWQyOqpHD+Yq3q7kF2B02qqvt1TLUnUg1ikfZ
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>
> --
> Need cash? Click here to get a payday loan.
>
> http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/PnY6qxtVaLJablbbAMh69AaxiQDIXGAemVvk2VFZs21sUl2eTyHw8/
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Re: [Full-disclosure] mr wallace must be stopped and i know how

[Avraham Schneider]

He WILL eventually go away if not a single person replies to him.

as 'he does not process rational thought' - I find that hard to believe.


On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Biz Marqee  wrote:

> OK - so in the interest of attempting to rid this list of the person we all
> hate I will now cease posting any replies to the n3t d3viate. Since I am now
> pretty sure he is a just mentally unstable person only seeking attention for
> his childlike behavior, I will deal with him in the same fashion as a child
> - ignoring him completely. I have tried to reason with him in private, as
> well outright public abuse. Nothing works because he does not process
> rational thought.
>
> I implore each of you who reply to his fishing expeditions (yes I am
> guilty!) to consider this as an alternate way to express your hate for him.
> He WILL eventually go away if not a single person replies to him.
>
> Please, in the interest of this list which was once GREAT, don't feed
> andrew wallace's fragmented ego. Just dont hit that reply button. It will
> only work if everyone does it, but will fail if one person does not. If
> people do it, it will happen. Not over night but it will.
>
> Anyway I will no longer be baited by this maniac, so I bid you farewell FD!
> I hope the list can partially recover from the irreparable damage caused by
> this one person, and I hope everyone follows suit and lets this guy drown in
> his own thoughts.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust

[Avraham Schneider]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Meshinka7  wrote:

> Right..
> ok, sure, throwing toilet paper is no damage, wont hurt.  Publicisng your
> paypal
> account and other info, now that would hurt dont ya think?
>
Defacing a bunch of websites that almost nobody looks at - all hosted on one
un-patched server is akin to throwing toilet paper on your neighbor's house
at night - read: no damage.


>
> As for what he's doing being worthless, i never said it was, please read my
> posts
> before u reply, instead of just makin me repeat myself.
>
oh... we are all so sorry for troubling you. not.


>   All i said was he is trying,
>
with all his knowledge, capabilities, etc to support the people he sees
> right, and go
> against those he sees wrong.
>
and that has what to do with FD?

  And again, whether the news talk about him or not,
> whether all this he's tryina do does any effect, they had enough self
> confidence to have a goal and attempt it, i am petty sure if they had the
> power and capabilities
> to do more they would..
>
he does not - since he is a script kiddy.


>
> and lol..., "go donate"? that just made me laugh..
>
yeah, it was probably a joke - like you and like e.hitler.


>
> Once again, i support his thought and determination
>
good for you.


> , i dont know about his recources and/or skills to judge him being a skid
> or not and neither does anyone in here.
>
Other than you and e.hitler (a bored kid with too many pimples to have any
friends) - we all know.


>  All of that is irrelevant to him failing/succeeding, or whether he's goin
> up against the side u think are terrorists or not.
>
yes - he is irrelevant. Funny, but irrelevant.


>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Rants nRaves wrote:
>
>> I think we'd all have a lot more respect if e.hitler (I still laugh every
>> time I say that!)  and his buddies did something actually worthwhile that
>> would make a real difference.  Like volunteering for a charity which is
>> collecting for the innocent Palestinians who are loosing their homes,
>> schools, etc for example.  Or how about writing his elected officials to put
>> pressure on the Israeli's to let the Red Cross and other aid agencies in?
>> Instead he's done the internet equivalent of throwing toilet paper on the
>> neighbors house in the middle of the night.  Yes, someone is pissed off now
>> and had to clean it up, but it's just a sophomoric prank which doesn't mean
>> anything in the world.  It makes him and his buddies feel good like they're
>> doing "something", but the adults on this forum know better.
>>
>> Notice nobody in the news is reporting that e.hitler and his merry men are
>> wreaking havoc.  Even so-called news sites like slashdot are ignoring it...
>> why?  because it's not news and nobody gives a shit.  When they hack into
>> the Mossad or IDF let me know.  But they're just lame script kiddies who
>> don't have the skills or balls to pull that off.
>>
>> And yes, people like myself without any skin in the game do have a role-
>> to point out to the rest of the world when the emperor has no clothes.  If
>> e.hitler doesn't like it, he can always crawl back into his hole and stop
>> posting.
>>
>> -Rants
>>
>>
>>   On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Meshinkah Meshinkah <
>> meshin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>   wow...u people are pathetic..
>>> Ok, enough with all the bullshit.
>>> Everyone in here is talking acting like a smartass who actually tried
>>> doing any better.
>>> I dont know if the so called "e.hitler" can live up to any of his "global
>>> scale message" claims, nor do i know if he his actions will speak louder
>>> than words as he says.
>>> All i know is the guy is utilising what he's got, tryina fight for his
>>> cause and views, while you guys are making fun of the name :S.
>>> Now whether he does that or not, at least he actually "tried" to make a
>>> real difference, instead of posting a "i support gaza" as a fb status, or as
>>> an msn pm.
>>> Now if anyone here sees himself capable of doin a better change, i
>>> suggest he show us.  Anyone arguing he has "no skin in this" doesnt have to
>>> interfere making fun of the people who tried with all the effort and
>>> resources they got, no matter how small, to fight for their cause.  You
>>> either contribute to your side, or stay just stay away and let the people
>>> who are interested in the issue serve their side.
>>> I respect the guy, whether he succeeds or fails.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm not the troll i've been trolled

[Avraham Schneider]

what 'threats'? e.hitler's? pfff...

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:49 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Can we wrap this thread up now and get back to business about 'the
> threats'.
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:33 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> > You wasn't supposed to leave this list before MI5 throw your body in the
> sea
> > ?
> >
> > 2009/1/12 andrew. wallace 
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Ureleet  wrote:
> >> > im a well known troll against 1 thing.  u.  nothing else.
> >>
> >> Let us know if you ever feel angry about anything else apart from me
> >> now or in the future.
> >>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust

[Avraham Schneider]

If he were to have posted that he hacked this 1 Israeli server - and shown
that he was exploiting some new unknown vulnerability and Fully Disclosed
the methods he used - it would have fit the Full Disclosure character.

The fact that he is 'threatning', does not make it 'newsworthy' - it makes
it 'funny'

As it is - he fits the scrip-kiddy type that everyone has fun laughing at.



On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:09 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > 1st of all, his cause and views are summed up as terrorism - worthless
> > terrorism, but still terrorism - therefore he gets no sympathy.
>
> You don't get it do you, this is supposedly a mailing list about 'the
> threats'.
> Should we not be encouraging terrorists to post to the list not discourage?
> Think about it.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust

[Avraham Schneider]

1st of all, his cause and views are summed up as terrorism - worthless
terrorism, but still terrorism - therefore he gets no sympathy.

The fact that it is worthless, and he is presenting it as valuable and
in a way that resembles the brain in 'Pinky and the Brain' cartoon -
and/or Mini-me of Austin Powers - makes us laugh.

It was clear to anyone with an IQ level greater than that of a mosquito...

Now could you please buzz off?

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Meshinkah Meshinkah
 wrote:
>
> wow...u people are pathetic..
> Ok, enough with all the bullshit.
> Everyone in here is talking acting like a smartass who actually tried doing 
> any better.
> I dont know if the so called "e.hitler" can live up to any of his "global 
> scale message" claims, nor do i know if he his actions will speak louder than 
> words as he says.
> All i know is the guy is utilising what he's got, tryina fight for his cause 
> and views, while you guys are making fun of the name :S.
> Now whether he does that or not, at least he actually "tried" to make a real 
> difference, instead of posting a "i support gaza" as a fb status, or as an 
> msn pm.
> Now if anyone here sees himself capable of doin a better change, i suggest he 
> show us.  Anyone arguing he has "no skin in this" doesnt have to interfere 
> making fun of the people who tried with all the effort and resources they 
> got, no matter how small, to fight for their cause.  You either contribute to 
> your side, or stay just stay away and let the people who are interested in 
> the issue serve their side.
> I respect the guy, whether he succeeds or fails.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust

[Avraham Schneider]

can't stop laughing... lol...

2009/1/12 Pete Licoln :
> [ PHASE 1 ]
> |
> |
> --
>
> [ PHASE 2 ]
>|
>|
>--
>
> [ PHASE 3 ]
> |
> |
>
> --
>
> It's Mini-me !
> http://weblog.site5.com/images/photos/minime.jpg
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust

[Avraham Schneider]

roflol

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM,   wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Right, your attempts at ranting, making a very obvious comment, or
> whatever that is you are doing is pretty stupid..
>
> We decided to put this in a little diagram for people like you to
> understand better:
>
> [ PHASE 1 ]
> |
> |
> -- Gain access on Israeli webservers / websites / databases (
> yes, that means that if the website / database / webserver contains
> any israeli content on it, it is a potential target, so spair us
> the 'omg this is a US box' 'omg this is a .com' )
>
> [ PHASE 2 ]
>|
>|
>-- Use access to collect information ( Includes databases,
> source code, emails, etc.. ), and use the access eventually to send
> a message, if we need to... if not, we will just delete all the
> information on the server..
>
> [ PHASE 3 ]
> |
> |
> --  Use information collected to make more damage...
>
> and repeat...
>
> So now unless you have something to add about this, don't waste
> your time and ours...
>
> P.S: that pinky and brain comment, wow... you just destroyed us
> with that, it was totally demolishing to our goals... good job... -
> _-\\
>
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:33:27 +0300 quispiam lepidus
>  wrote:
>>Those last two are also located in the USA. Oops.
>>
>>On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Avraham Schneider
>> wrote:
>>> Of the 21 websites 19 were hosted on 1 un-patched server...
>>>
>>> http://israelcivillaw.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://israelcommerciallaw.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://ada-art.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://harambam.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://sigalit-studio.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://sgms.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://two.org.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://magia-li.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://plastikim.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://maasik.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://vision-art.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://man-go.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://drabba.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://gal-alpron.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://djgazala.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://eseknet.biz/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://michlala.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://yd-albert.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>> http://refaeli-art.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>>
>>> I'd bet these last two simply moved since then to Apache...
>>> http://www.israel-forum.co.il/ = [ 64.131.69.76 ]
>>> http://mynotebook.co.il/ = [ 71.18.148.1 ]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM,   wrote:
>>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> First of all, the 21 websites were just used to distribute the
>>>> message we had, the real damage was done on the servers holding
>>the
>>>> websites, files deleted, databases wiped, etc...
>>>>
>>>> The .com domains were actually Israeli, on Israeli servers...
>>so
>>>> please do your research before making a complete idiot out of
>>>> yourself.
>>>>
>>>> The media involvement will only be to our side, making a bigger
>>>> deal of a small website defacement will only help in the bigger
>>>> picture here, more damage for Israelis.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:26:43 +0300 bert renalds
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>Ohhh amazing. After seeing this I've definitely made my mind up
>>>>>about
>>>>>who's side is right in the whole Israel-Palestine thing. Your
>>>>>influence is certainly great.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey while you're at it you should edit
>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust to mention what you did.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hitler killed aprox. six million European Jews during World War
>>>>>II.
>>>>>eHitler (hitlers consciousness that was saved to disk just
>>before
>>>>>he
>>>>>died and haunts the internet to this day) hacked 21 websites, 3
>>of
>>>>>which where .com domains!
>>>>>
>>>>>Seriously though you make your entire 'side' look like the bad
>>>>>guys,
>>>>>but dumbnesses too. What annoys me is that the media will take
>>>>>things
>>>>>like this, ov

Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust

[Avraham Schneider]

You sound a lot like pinky and the brain... have not watched that for
years but thanks for the memory LOL

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:37 PM,   wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Can you please explain the 'un-patched' part, have you actually
> found anything on those servers that is un-patched?
>
> and lol at moved to apache.
>
> Again, we will repeat the main idea out of this, which is... small
> or big damage, it is damage against Israeli servers and people,
> those sites were used to send a message, and believe it or not, the
> message was sent...
>
> Our next message-host will be larger, on a world scale... You will
> just have to wait and see, while we crack, organize and use the
> info we found so far... then we will send another message,a bigger
> one, on a larger scale.
>
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:13:25 +0300 Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
>>Of the 21 websites 19 were hosted on 1 un-patched server...
>>
>>http://israelcivillaw.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://israelcommerciallaw.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://ada-art.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://harambam.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://sigalit-studio.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://sgms.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://two.org.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://magia-li.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://plastikim.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://maasik.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://vision-art.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://man-go.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://drabba.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://gal-alpron.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://djgazala.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://eseknet.biz/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://michlala.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://yd-albert.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>http://refaeli-art.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
>>
>>I'd bet these last two simply moved since then to Apache...
>>http://www.israel-forum.co.il/ = [ 64.131.69.76 ]
>>http://mynotebook.co.il/ = [ 71.18.148.1 ]
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM,   wrote:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> First of all, the 21 websites were just used to distribute the
>>> message we had, the real damage was done on the servers holding
>>the
>>> websites, files deleted, databases wiped, etc...
>>>
>>> The .com domains were actually Israeli, on Israeli servers... so
>>> please do your research before making a complete idiot out of
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> The media involvement will only be to our side, making a bigger
>>> deal of a small website defacement will only help in the bigger
>>> picture here, more damage for Israelis.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:26:43 +0300 bert renalds
>>>  wrote:
>>>>Ohhh amazing. After seeing this I've definitely made my mind up
>>>>about
>>>>who's side is right in the whole Israel-Palestine thing. Your
>>>>influence is certainly great.
>>>>
>>>>Hey while you're at it you should edit
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust to mention what you did.
>>>>
>>>>Hitler killed aprox. six million European Jews during World War
>>>>II.
>>>>eHitler (hitlers consciousness that was saved to disk just
>>before
>>>>he
>>>>died and haunts the internet to this day) hacked 21 websites, 3
>>of
>>>>which where .com domains!
>>>>
>>>>Seriously though you make your entire 'side' look like the bad
>>>>guys,
>>>>but dumbnesses too. What annoys me is that the media will take
>>>>things
>>>>like this, overblow them and then say that there's a big deal
>>>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust

[Avraham Schneider]

Of the 21 websites 19 were hosted on 1 un-patched server...

http://israelcivillaw.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://israelcommerciallaw.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://ada-art.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://harambam.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://sigalit-studio.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://sgms.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://two.org.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://magia-li.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://plastikim.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://maasik.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://vision-art.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://man-go.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://drabba.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://gal-alpron.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://djgazala.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://eseknet.biz/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://michlala.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://yd-albert.co.il/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]
http://refaeli-art.com/ = [ 62.219.19.193 ]

I'd bet these last two simply moved since then to Apache...
http://www.israel-forum.co.il/ = [ 64.131.69.76 ]
http://mynotebook.co.il/ = [ 71.18.148.1 ]


On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM,   wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> First of all, the 21 websites were just used to distribute the
> message we had, the real damage was done on the servers holding the
> websites, files deleted, databases wiped, etc...
>
> The .com domains were actually Israeli, on Israeli servers... so
> please do your research before making a complete idiot out of
> yourself.
>
> The media involvement will only be to our side, making a bigger
> deal of a small website defacement will only help in the bigger
> picture here, more damage for Israelis.
>
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:26:43 +0300 bert renalds
>  wrote:
>>Ohhh amazing. After seeing this I've definitely made my mind up
>>about
>>who's side is right in the whole Israel-Palestine thing. Your
>>influence is certainly great.
>>
>>Hey while you're at it you should edit
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust to mention what you did.
>>
>>Hitler killed aprox. six million European Jews during World War
>>II.
>>eHitler (hitlers consciousness that was saved to disk just before
>>he
>>died and haunts the internet to this day) hacked 21 websites, 3 of
>>which where .com domains!
>>
>>Seriously though you make your entire 'side' look like the bad
>>guys,
>>but dumbnesses too. What annoys me is that the media will take
>>things
>>like this, overblow them and then say that there's a big deal
>>
>>___
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

You are welcome.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Marcello Barnaba (void)  wrote:
>
> On 6 Jan 2009, at 3:43 PM, Avraham Schneider wrote:
>
>> Just one last thing - for those upset by this long completely off topic
>> thread:
>>
>> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6579
>
>
> 
> You should take this crap off list, rather than saying "I'll be here no
> matter what, filter me if you don't want to read me": the usual fscking
> cliche` attitude of you damn religious people, always trying to make others
> swallow your blind theories, even in the WRONG place, whent there's NO ONE
> interested.
>
> You should better live and make others live, instead of blindly trusting a
> novel book wrote only to control you and your fellow believers. Please read
> <http://www.stupidwish.net/religion.html> to have some insights, and get a
> life.
> 
>
> Thanks,
> ~Marcello (quite disappointed to waste bits on this useless thread)
> --
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Just one last thing - for those upset by this long completely off topic thread:

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6579


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Rob Thompson
 wrote:
> Avraham Schneider wrote:
>> I am sure many subscribers to this list will be delighted.
>>
>> I am sure they would be even more delighted if you stopped as well.
>
> We would have been delighted if you f'ing tools would have stopped a few
> DAYS ago.
>
> Too little, too late, jackass.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] FD / lists.grok.org - bad SSL cert

[Avraham Schneider]

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Gary Wilson  wrote:
>
> On Mon, January 5, 2009 19:01, James Matthews wrote:
>> SSL certs cost money. This one works the same. etc..
>>
>
> Well whilst I agree the self generated ones or whatever work well, I find
> it amusing that a _security_ based list is using one, and then expects
> people in the security industry to blindly accept or add exceptions for it
> - my irony alarm is going overtime at that one.  I certainly wouldn't add
> an exception, as it's not a trusted website to me.  I'm sure others would
> see it the same.
What's the worst case? Someone sniffing your unsub request?
It's not like an e-commerce website. I don't see why FD should even
have SSL in the first place.

I would guess the webmaster simply added SSL to allow those who have
port 80 to full-disclosure (containing malicious code) filtered...

I think you are over-dramatizing 'the irony'.

>
> Doesn't matter now, as I'm unsubbed via the mail method, because FD just
> has too much noise-signal these days.
>
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

You started this thread with propaganda lies.

You bring no facts to support your claims.

This thread is going nowhere.

Plus your typos have turned from funny to annoying.

Therefore I am done with this thread.

I am sure many subscribers to this list will be delighted.

I am sure they would be even more delighted if you stopped as well.



On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> w00t quoting party :)
>
> "It is obvious that you are also against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
> The reason the US is fighting there is close to the reason why
> Israelis are fighting in Gaza - to ensure peace to their citizens.
> Should I remind you of 9-11?"
>
> haha i was waiting that one, this is another conflict that i wont get in,
> but propaganda style is the same.
>
> "As you can see, it was not taken from Arabs but was given by the
> British, who took it from the Ottomans."
> Do you need glasses ?  -> "the UK took this land from arabians, and gived it
> to jews mostly because it was
> supposedly them promised land."
>
> "teaching your kid to strap a bomb against their chest and commit
>
> suicide while murdering innocent people is much more like child abuse
> than being open-minded if you ask me. I think others here would
> concur."
>
> I sayed that i understand why, but i do not approve,(this fact is open-mind)
> i guess you do need glasses.
>
> "Jews != Israel
> A Jew is a decendent of Avraham, Isac and Jacob on the father side,
> having a Jewish mother.
> Conversion to Judaism is also possible, bud discouraged for reasons I
> will not get into here."
> Let me clarify this too :
> israel = lots of rednecks like you
> Jews = good people in general, as others religions&atheist.
> So for god sake dont insult them saying that Jews =israel
> A lots of jews doesn't approve at all israel politics/vision and this
> doesn't make them bad jews.
>
> "Jacob's name was changed by G-d to Israel - you can find it in the
> Torah - not that I expect or want you to read it."
> You totally need glasses, i sayed that i readed the bible and the thora
> once, and also as i see that you have some reading problem  i dont believe
> in none of them or any, yes im an atheist :)
>
>
>
>

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:
> Avraham Schneider,
>
> You make it worse:
> You use the bible!
> This is war! This is not a believe.
>
> I believe in the bible, but we cannot and maynot use a religion when we are
> talking about facts!
>
> Don't use the bible to defend yourself.
> This is not a game...
I am not talking about beliefs, I am talking about facts.

Those facts happen to be listed in the Torah.

Just look at it as archeological evidence if you prefer.
>
>
>
> 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider 
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>> > Relativisation in this case is neccessary, because the UK took this land
>> > from arabians,
>> > and gived it to jews mostly because it was
>> > supposedly them promised land.
>> > Before that maybe not much arabians was living there, but still it was
>> > them
>> > land.
>> > The not legit attribution in 1948 of the land to israel was the conflict
>> > starter and still today, now excuses have changed, palestinian are
>> > throwing
>> > rocks and old school rockets around the border in israel.
>> > What have changed so far ? as i sayed in my first post on this topic,
>> > israel
>> > is very young 61 years old, and have been in war with all of them
>> > neighbors,
>> > also while fighting with them, israel once again has taken more land
>> > during
>> > theses wars.
>>
>> History time-line (facts)
>> 17th-6th C. BCE
>>
>> c.17th century (BCE) - Abraham, Isaac, Jacob - patriarchs of the
>> Jewish people and bearers of a belief in one God - settle in the Land
>> of Israel. Famine forces Israelites to migrate to Egypt.
>> c.13th century (BCE) - Exodus from Egypt: Moses leads Israelites from
>> Egypt, followed by 40 years of wandering in the desert.
>> Torah, including the Ten Commandments, received at Mount Sinai.
>> 13th-12th centuries (BCE) - Israelites settle in the Land of Israel
>> c.1020 (BCE) -  Jewish monarchy established; Saul, first king.
>> c.1000 (BCE) -  Jerusalem made capital of David's kingdom.
>> c.960 (BCE) -   First Temple, the national and spiritual center of the
>> Jewish people, built in Jerusalem by King Solomon.
>> c. 930 (BCE) -  Divided kingdom: Judah and Israel
>> 722-720 (BCE) - Israel crushed by Assyrians; 10 tribes exiled (Ten Lost
>> Tribes).
>> 586 (BCE)   - Judah conquered by Babylonia; Jerusalem and First Temple
>> destroyed; most Jews exiled.
>> 538 - 142 (BCE) - Persian and Hellenistic periods
>> 538 - 515 (BCE) - Many Jews return from Babylonia; Temple rebuilt.
>> 332 (BCE) - Land conquered by Alexander the Great; Hellenistic rule.
>> 166-160 (BCE) - Maccabean (Hasmonean) revolt against restrictions on
>> practice of Judaism and desecration of the Temple
>> 142-129 (BCE) - Jewish autonomy under Hasmoneans.
>> 129-63 (BCE) - Jewish independence under Hasmonean monarchy.
>> 63 (BCE) - Jerusalem captured by Roman general, Pompey.
>> 63-4 BCE - Herod, Roman vassal king, rules the Land of Israel; Temple
>> in Jerusalem refurbished
>> c. 20-33 (CE) - Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth
>> 66 (CE) - Jewish revolt against the Romans
>> 70 (CE) - Destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple.
>> 73 (CE) - Last stand of Jews at Masada.
>> 132-135 (CE) - Bar Kokhba uprising against Rome.
>> 614 (CE) - Persian invasion
>> 636-1099 (CE) - Arab rule
>> 691 (CE) - On site of First and Second Temples in Jerusalem, Dome of
>> the Rock built by Caliph Abd el-Malik.
>> 1099-1291 (CE) - Crusader domination (Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem)
>> 1291-1516 (CE) - Mamluk rule
>> 1517-1917 (CE) - Ottoman rule
>> 1882-1903 (CE) - First Aliya (large-scale immigration), mainly from
>> Russia.
>> 1897 (CE) - First Zionist Congress convened by Theodor Herzl in Basel,
>> Switzerland; Zionist Organization founded.
>> 1904-14 (CE) - Second Aliya, mainly from Russia and Poland.
>> 1909 (CE) - First kibbutz, Degania, and first modern all-Jewish city,
>> Tel Aviv, founded.
>> 1917 (CE) - 400 years of Ottoman rule ended by British
>> conquest;British Foreign Minister Balfour pledges support for
>> establishment of a "Jewish national home in Palestine"
>> 1918-48 (CE) - British rule
>>
>>
>> As you can see, it was not taken from Arabs but was given by the
>> British, who took it from the Ottomans.
>>
>> >
>> > I can understand why palestinian mothers are telling to theirs sons to
>> > wear
>> > a bomb, and blow themself t

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> Relativisation in this case is neccessary, because the UK took this land
> from arabians,
> and gived it to jews mostly because it was
> supposedly them promised land.
> Before that maybe not much arabians was living there, but still it was them
> land.
> The not legit attribution in 1948 of the land to israel was the conflict
> starter and still today, now excuses have changed, palestinian are throwing
> rocks and old school rockets around the border in israel.
> What have changed so far ? as i sayed in my first post on this topic, israel
> is very young 61 years old, and have been in war with all of them neighbors,
> also while fighting with them, israel once again has taken more land during
> theses wars.

History time-line (facts)
17th-6th C. BCE

c.17th century (BCE) - Abraham, Isaac, Jacob - patriarchs of the
Jewish people and bearers of a belief in one God - settle in the Land
of Israel. Famine forces Israelites to migrate to Egypt.
c.13th century (BCE) - Exodus from Egypt: Moses leads Israelites from
Egypt, followed by 40 years of wandering in the desert.
Torah, including the Ten Commandments, received at Mount Sinai.
13th-12th centuries (BCE) - Israelites settle in the Land of Israel
c.1020 (BCE) -  Jewish monarchy established; Saul, first king.
c.1000 (BCE) -  Jerusalem made capital of David's kingdom.
c.960 (BCE) -   First Temple, the national and spiritual center of the
Jewish people, built in Jerusalem by King Solomon.
c. 930 (BCE) -  Divided kingdom: Judah and Israel
722-720 (BCE) - Israel crushed by Assyrians; 10 tribes exiled (Ten Lost Tribes).
586 (BCE)   - Judah conquered by Babylonia; Jerusalem and First Temple
destroyed; most Jews exiled.
538 - 142 (BCE) - Persian and Hellenistic periods
538 - 515 (BCE) - Many Jews return from Babylonia; Temple rebuilt.
332 (BCE) - Land conquered by Alexander the Great; Hellenistic rule.
166-160 (BCE) - Maccabean (Hasmonean) revolt against restrictions on
practice of Judaism and desecration of the Temple
142-129 (BCE) - Jewish autonomy under Hasmoneans.
129-63 (BCE) - Jewish independence under Hasmonean monarchy.
63 (BCE) - Jerusalem captured by Roman general, Pompey.
63-4 BCE - Herod, Roman vassal king, rules the Land of Israel; Temple
in Jerusalem refurbished
c. 20-33 (CE) - Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth
66 (CE) - Jewish revolt against the Romans
70 (CE) - Destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple.
73 (CE) - Last stand of Jews at Masada.
132-135 (CE) - Bar Kokhba uprising against Rome.
614 (CE) - Persian invasion
636-1099 (CE) - Arab rule
691 (CE) - On site of First and Second Temples in Jerusalem, Dome of
the Rock built by Caliph Abd el-Malik.
1099-1291 (CE) - Crusader domination (Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem)
1291-1516 (CE) - Mamluk rule
1517-1917 (CE) - Ottoman rule
1882-1903 (CE) - First Aliya (large-scale immigration), mainly from Russia.
1897 (CE) - First Zionist Congress convened by Theodor Herzl in Basel,
Switzerland; Zionist Organization founded.
1904-14 (CE) - Second Aliya, mainly from Russia and Poland.
1909 (CE) - First kibbutz, Degania, and first modern all-Jewish city,
Tel Aviv, founded.
1917 (CE) - 400 years of Ottoman rule ended by British
conquest;British Foreign Minister Balfour pledges support for
establishment of a "Jewish national home in Palestine"
1918-48 (CE) - British rule


As you can see, it was not taken from Arabs but was given by the
British, who took it from the Ottomans.

>
> I can understand why palestinian mothers are telling to theirs sons to wear
> a bomb, and blow themself to kill some israelians, i totally do not approve
> this, but as a mather of fact, i understand the despair for this people
> (open-mind is a crime ?).
teaching your kid to strap a bomb against their chest and commit
suicide while murdering innocent people is much more like child abuse
than being open-minded if you ask me. I think others here would
concur.

>
> Also as i sayed in my first post, another problem of  Israelites is that
> they think they are elected  by god... and then are superior to any other
> race/religion, i'm not inventing nothing here.. it's written in the Thora.
>
> Just this fact  is a fundamental communication problem, for any discution
> because persons such as Avraham will always overlook the others point of
> view.
I think a bigger communication problem is being blind (on purpose) to facts.

>
> I'm not pro-palestinian
Could have fooled me.

> or pro-israel, the only thing i know is
> relativisation in such conflict should be always the first thing to do
> before dumping any crap from your brain.
Why don't you start then?

>
> A correction for Avraham:
> Jews != Israel
A Jew is a decendent of Avraham, Isac and Jacob on the father side,
having a Jewish mother.
Conversion to Judaism is also possible, bud discouraged for reasons I
will not get into here.

Jacob's name was changed by G-d to Israel - you can find it in the
Torah - not that I expect or want you to read i

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Thanks for the compliment. No I am not G-d, but I understand your
excitement to words of truth after you've been so long in the dark.

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> Here's God !  :)
>
>
> 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider 
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:14 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>> > "what would you call your lies"
>> > Which lies ?
>> Every single one of your points. Read the facts I presented you with,
>> they deal with most if not all of them.
>>
>> > You're tunnel-focused on your point, with no relativisation at all,
>> > which
>> Forgive me for being right.
>>
>> > brings your argument not valuable for a penny, when i read your post i
>> > feel
>> > like reading/listening a tsahal interview/report.
>> Forgive the Israeli Defense Forces for being right.
>>
>> > There's two side on a medial, dont forget that, that's why i say you're
>> > doing propaganda, while criticizing the other propaganda.
>> No - the media is composed of whatever anyone presents on it - some of
>> it is propaganda lies - like the ones you are distributing and some of
>> them are based on true facts, like those that I and others are
>> presenting.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:14 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> "what would you call your lies"
> Which lies ?
Every single one of your points. Read the facts I presented you with,
they deal with most if not all of them.

> You're tunnel-focused on your point, with no relativisation at all, which
Forgive me for being right.

> brings your argument not valuable for a penny, when i read your post i feel
> like reading/listening a tsahal interview/report.
Forgive the Israeli Defense Forces for being right.

> There's two side on a medial, dont forget that, that's why i say you're
> doing propaganda, while criticizing the other propaganda.
No - the media is composed of whatever anyone presents on it - some of
it is propaganda lies - like the ones you are distributing and some of
them are based on true facts, like those that I and others are
presenting.

>
>
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

if the facts I show you are porpaganda, what would you call your lies?

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> Avraham, dude  you 're doing the wrong job, you should sell some thermo-pump
> or something
> you've big skill in selling/propaganda :)
>
> 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider 
>>
>> The basic facts:
>>
>>* Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians.  The
>> number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by
>> Israel is precisely zero.  The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been
>> trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom
>> unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and in
>> their mosques.
>>* Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate
>> humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while
>> Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60
>> truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were
>> transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of
>> Gaza's electricity.
>>* Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has
>> indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population
>> centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone.
>>* Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching
>> pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years.
>>* Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and
>> launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian population
>> centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line of
>> fire.
>>* No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its
>> civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the
>> border.
>>* If American civilians would have become targets to such terror
>> attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would respond
>> very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown
>> restraint to date.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp  wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name.
>> >
>> >> Larry Seltzer
>> >> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
>> >
>> > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to step
>> > in and say something.
>> >
>> > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the Palestinian
>> > people.
>> > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today
>> > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that made
>> > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt.
>> > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by the
>> > British Mandate in 1920.  The region referred to as "Palestine" in
>> > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan,
>> > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries.  Until 1920, there
>> > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country.
>> > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians.
>> > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the intent
>> > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this doesn't
>> > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians).  In 1947, the UN approved
>> > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab.  In 1948,
>> > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling itself
>> > "Israel".  From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel:
>> >
>> > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly
>> > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government
>> > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was
>> > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51]
>> > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan
>> > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947,
>> > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish.
>> > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus
>> > separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its
>> > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab
>> > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947
>> > the Arab Higher Comm

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

The basic facts:

* Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians.  The
number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by
Israel is precisely zero.  The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been
trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom
unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and in
their mosques.
* Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate
humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while
Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60
truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were
transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of
Gaza's electricity.
* Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has
indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population
centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone.
* Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching
pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years.
* Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and
launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian population
centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line of
fire.
* No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its
civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the
border.
* If American civilians would have become targets to such terror
attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would respond
very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown
restraint to date.


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer  wrote:
>
>> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name.
>
>> Larry Seltzer
>> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
>
> When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to step
> in and say something.
>
> Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the Palestinian people.
> Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today
> referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that made
> their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt.
> "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by the
> British Mandate in 1920.  The region referred to as "Palestine" in
> historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan,
> Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries.  Until 1920, there
> never were any formal boundaries or a formal country.
> Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians.
> Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the intent
> of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this doesn't
> say anything about Arabs or Palestinians).  In 1947, the UN approved
> splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab.  In 1948,
> the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling itself
> "Israel".  From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel:
>
> After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly
> violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government
> withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was
> unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51]
> The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan
> (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947,
> dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish.
> Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus
> separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its
> status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab
> League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947
> the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab
> guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these
> attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations
> with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to
> escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy
> of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic
> subversion and psychological warfare.[55]
>
> On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the
> Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The
> following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and
> Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56]
> Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist the
> invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and
> temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established. Jordan
> annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and
> Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a member
> of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.[57] During the war 711,000
> Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the 

Re: [Full-disclosure] FD / lists.grok.org - bad SSL cert

[Avraham Schneider]

just add an exception...

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Gary Wilson  wrote:
>
> Having had enough of the non-topic junk this list has become recently, I
> went to unsub, but it seems the SSL cert is not valid/trusted.
>
> For the mods, I guess:
>
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>
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>
> The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted.
>
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>
>
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>
>* If you have connected to this server successfully in the past, the
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Me and others disproved every single one of the claims you and the other
Muslim (assuming you are not the same) person posted here.

The fact that nobody forced him to answer or even read the topic might be
true but his frustration is understandable for this mailing list is aimed
for IT-Security related discussions and you started a completely off-topic
thread full of propaganda lies.

It is therefore understandable why subscribers to this list who know the
facts and know that you are spreading propaganda full of lies respond in
order to clear their (and their country's, etc...) name - but it does not
explain why you started this thread on an IT-Security mailing list.

As for the 21 (not 20) year old 'boy' - 'demonstrating'

Moral of the story- if you don't throw flaming tires at armed soldiers
during a riot, you won't get shot.


On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Prototype This  wrote:

> Nobody force you to answer or even read this topic. You can still
> answer and read other topic.
>
> And what a liar you are.Yesterday a 20 year old boy got shoot dead by
> israel in Westbank in a demonstration. So dont speak like the soldiers
> are little angels. In fact Satan himself , take special course from
> sionist ppl.
>
> 2009/1/5 Yudi Rosen :
> > It's interesting to note how the PA Palestinians in the West Bank are
> living
> > peacefully - they're not launching attacks on Israeli citizens, and
> therefor
> > aren't being attacked back by Israel. In fact, many of them have jobs
> within
> > Israeli areas and receive benefits from the Israeli government (my
> source?
> > I'm there right now, I've asked to both Jews and Arabs about this).
> >
> > Yet in Gaza, the ruling party (Hamas) has vowed not just to establish a
> > Palestinian country, but also to destroy Israel and kill every last Jew.
> And
> > they attempt to make good on their words by deliberately and specificly
> > targeting civillians, even killing other Palestinians in the proccess. In
> > order to defend it's own people (both Jews and Arabs), Israel launches
> this
> > latest battle.
> >
> > THEN, (hoping to garner some sympathy for the Hamas cause, it seems?),
> > several people start a flamefight on a IT-security mailing list.
> >
> > ...anyone see what doesn't make sense here?
> >
> > There are places to flame about this, FD doesn't seem like one of them.
> > Please let's get back on topic?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Avraham Schneider
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:25 AM, - o z -  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> When there is no choice, there is no choice - Israel has to defend
> it's
> >>>> own
> >>>> civilian population as a first priority.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let me tell you a little of the latest events -
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) IDF calls a family in Gaza, to let them know they are about to bomb
> >>>> the
> >>>> house from the air - demanding that the family members leave
> >>>> immediately.
> >>>> (the IDF had inteligence that weapons were stored in that family's
> >>>> house)
> >>>> 2) Family members climb to the roof of the house as they know the IDF
> >>>> pilots
> >>>> would not want to harm civilians
> >>>> 3) The IDF pilot fires a rocket to the corner of the roof, making it
> >>>> clear
> >>>> that if they don't leave, they will die,
> >>>> 4) The family get the point and run away
> >>>> 5) House is fired at
> >>>> 6) Explosions ocur due to ammunition and rockets stored there.
> >>>
> >>> Correction #3:  The MC actually dispatched MIGCAP to fire 20mm cannon,
> >>> not 'rocket' -- at the next building over.   The kill ratio from a
> >>> rocket's shrapnel
> >>> would have killed anyone on the roof, hence, 20mm fire to ward off the
> >>> family
> >>> and scare the dickens out of them so they would bail from the
> structure.
> >>
> >> http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052034.html
> >>  The IDF Spokesman said that Ghayan's house had served as a weapons silo
> >> and a war room for Hamas. Under the house, according to the IDF, was a
> >> tunnel which was meant to serve as an escape route in case of an Israeli
> >> attack.
> >> .

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:25 AM, - o z -  wrote:

> On Jan 4, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Avraham Schneider wrote:
>
>  When there is no choice, there is no choice - Israel has to defend it's
>> own
>> civilian population as a first priority.
>>
>> Let me tell you a little of the latest events -
>>
>> 1) IDF calls a family in Gaza, to let them know they are about to bomb the
>> house from the air - demanding that the family members leave immediately.
>> (the IDF had inteligence that weapons were stored in that family's house)
>> 2) Family members climb to the roof of the house as they know the IDF
>> pilots
>> would not want to harm civilians
>> 3) The IDF pilot fires a rocket to the corner of the roof, making it clear
>> that if they don't leave, they will die,
>> 4) The family get the point and run away
>> 5) House is fired at
>> 6) Explosions ocur due to ammunition and rockets stored there.
>>
>
> Correction #3:  The MC actually dispatched MIGCAP to fire 20mm cannon,
> not 'rocket' -- at the next building over.   The kill ratio from a rocket's
> shrapnel
> would have killed anyone on the roof, hence, 20mm fire to ward off the
> family
> and scare the dickens out of them so they would bail from the structure.

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052034.html
 The IDF Spokesman said that Ghayan's house had served as a weapons silo and
a war room for Hamas. Under the house, according to the IDF, was a tunnel
which was meant to serve as an escape route in case of an Israeli attack.
.
.
.
The IDF has code named such operations "roof knocking," in which the army
informs the residents of s suspected building that they have 10 minutes to
leave the premises. In some cases, residents of suspected houses have been
able to prevent bombing by climbing up to the roof to show that they will
not leave, prompting IDF commanders to call off the strike. In these cases,
Channel 10 reported Thursday, the IAF sometimes launches a relatively
harmless missile at the corner of the roof, avoiding casualties but
successfully dispersing the crowd.
.
.
.
It appears that the "roof knocking" technique was used in the assassination,
but Ghayan decided to stay indoors with his family, and the army opted to
bomb the house anyway.
A lecturer at Gaza's Islamic University, Ghayan, 49, had mentored suicide
bombers and would sometimes go on patrol with Hamas fighters. He was known
for his close ties to the group's military wing and was respected in Gaza
for donning combat fatigues and personally participating in clashes against
Israeli forces. He sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide mission
that killed two Israeli settlers in Gaza.



>
> #4:  Family found Jesus right away, no, Common Sense...and bailed from the
> roof.
>
> #5:  Cool fireworks display courtesy of your local IDF
>
> #6:  Kudos to family for making a media moment of defiance, but it was
> really time
> to leave before someone was killed.
>
>
>>> 2009/1/4  :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You people can't even agree to stop a flame war.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  It's not a flame war - it's an off-topic propaganda started by a Muslim
>> and
>> defended by a Jew.
>> Just add the subject to a filter rule in Outlook/gmail/whatever client you
>> use, and forget about it.
>>
>
> Defended by two Jews now, Mazel tov

Thanks for the help.

>
> --
>
>
>
>
> "Condoleezza Rice is a very cruel, offended woman who lacks men's
> attention. She needs to be taken to a company of man-soldiers and it would
> be just fine. Releasing such stupid remarks gives her the feeling of being
> fulfilled. This is the only way for her to attract men's attention.  Show me
> that Rice is a woman? The only thing she attracts is reindeer. The States
> needs to practice the old Soviet tradition when both single women and single
> men were not allowed to take responsible state positions..."
>
> --Vladimir Zhirinovsky,  Russian politician, rabid leader of the Liberal
> and Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR)
>
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:

> Before this topic I could not imagine that there was a man who is against
> the palestinian.

We are against terrorits, not against the Palestinians - they are victims
like us - we both have Hamas to blame for.

>
>
> I read my newspapers, I see the news, daily. So I know 'something'  about
> the war which was started by the israeli.

Was started by Hamas, with it's daily rocket fire on Sderot (innocent
Israeli civilan population)

>
> I 'm graduated, so I can say, I'm not ' the stupid guy'. I read my books,
> and I am intereseted in history, filosofy and more.

I think some would disagree with you on your conclusion.

>
>
> The israeli people are not very populair. History shows that. In 1948 some
> ppl helped them, but the israeli screwed it up. That can happen. But nobody
> heard a ' sorry' . And that makes the israeli ' not very populair'. (lets
> say it nice)

Israelis won a war started by all Arab counties surrounding it - how that
translates to 'screwd it up'  baffles me.

>
>
> In this topic I read some stories from ppl who believe that the israeli
> invasion is right. Before this I could not imagine that. I did never met a
> person with that evil thoughts.

I think you should open up the dictionary and reevaluate your understanding
of the word evil. I think you got it confused with 'self defense' - and if
you never met such a person, I guess you live in another planet.

>
>
> I'm confused.

Welcome to earth.

>
>
> In my opinion you can only have this evil thoughts when:
> 1/ you live in Israel (then you see only one side of the story)
> 2/ you live in a country wich is against the jewish people and have a
> censored press. (both are bad, IMO)
> 3/ 

After you understand that you are misusing the word evil, and should have
used the words 'self defense' instead, I think you will be less 'confused'.

>
>
> All others know that israel is a agressor.

"Another one-way cease-fire that leads to rocket attacks on Israel is not
acceptable," said the President in the Saturday address. "And promises from
Hamas will not suffice."

> It is since they get a part of Palestine.
> (The Palestines did not had a choise, they had to give a part of their
> country away)

Was nevery their country yet Israel gave it to them on a silver plate as
part of the Oslo agreements (supported by the extorsionist formula of
land-for-peace)

>
>
> What I want to say is this: I can not imagine that anyone can say that the
> israeli are doing right.

It will be very hard for me to comment on what you can or can not imagine.

>
> When they where thankful, then there was never a palestinian who drops a
> bomb or became a suicide-bomber.

What about the suicide bombers targetting and killing Israeli women and
children?

>
>
> For all the jewish people: You can live there together. You can live in the
> Palestinian country. But always remember: You get this country from the
> palestinian. Be thankful. And do not ask more.
> And, do not take more!

Repeating lies don't make them true.

>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/4 Paul Schmehl 
>
>> --On January 4, 2009 1:25:29 PM -0600 Mainbox Notif 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>  So, mr. Paul Schmehl,
>>> Can you tell me why the israelian want to have more and more? After they
>>> get a gift for their ppl?
>>>
>>
>> What is the "more and more" that you claim they want?
>>
>>  That's what frustrating me the most.
>>> If you get something as a gift.  And still want to have more.
>>> That's not very thankful
>>> Israeli are still guests. And welcome.
>>>
>>>
>> No, they are not guests.  They have their country.  The Palestinians have
>> theirs.
>>
>>  When you (or someone else) can give me a good answer, I wil think again.
>>>
>>> Since they want to have more and more, they occupy more land surround
>>> them .  ( the homes of innocent Palestinian ppl) .
>>>
>>>
>> Palestinians are not innocent.  Please stop saying that.  They freely
>> elected Hamas knowing full well what their agenda is.  Yasser Arafat was an
>> Egyptian (actually named Abd al-Rahman abd al-Bauf Arafat al-Qud
>> al-Husseini) who emigrated to Palestine.  He was related to the Grand Mufti
>> of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, who was a good friend of Adolph
>> Hitler and approved of his goal to exterminate the Jews.  The Palestinians
>> have never renounced that goal.  In fact they refuse to renounce that goal.
>>
>>
>> Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already
>> obvious, my opinions are my own
>> and not those of my employer.
>> **
>> WARNING: Check the headers before replying
>>
>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Prototype This  wrote:

> A flame war never kill children and women. You dont receive a Flame
> email while you are sleeping or your 2 month old child get killed by
> it. If you dont want flame war you can always quit. With real war ,
> you cannot. Even there no Mortar Filter or Bullet Catcher in real
> life.
> Personally i filter the n3tshit and ureleet email so i dont read their
> bullshit anymore. But tell me how could Palestinian do that (filter
> bomb from Isralis bomber to hit an hospital) ? 3000 victims and
> counting.

Easily. They should stop firing rockets on innocent Israeli citizens, stop
sending suicide bombers targeting innocent Israeli  citizens, and in general
stop terrorizing innocent Israeli citizens.

At that point, Israel as a country, would not need to use force against the
terror organizations, to defend it's citizens from those daily attacks.

Keep in mind that Israel is targeting terrorists and is saddned by the
injury or death of civilians - with Hamas (the elect government of the
Palestinian people, with over 90% of the votes), they are shamelessly
targetting civilians.

The fact that Israel is so strong counts for the number of dead on the
Palestinian side.

Did you ever stop to think about it? If Israel was really targeting civilian
population, what would have stopped it from just leveling the whole Gaza
strip? You think Israel can't do that? It can, but it cares about the
Palestinian civilian population.

When there is no choice, there is no choice - Israel has to defend it's own
civilian population as a first priority.

Let me tell you a little of the latest events -

1) IDF calls a family in Gaza, to let them know they are about to bomb the
house from the air - demanding that the family members leave immediately.
(the IDF had inteligence that weapons were stored in that family's house)
2) Family members climb to the roof of the house as they know the IDF pilots
would not want to harm civilians
3) The IDF pilot fires a rocket to the corner of the roof, making it clear
that if they don't leave, they will die,
4) The family get the point and run away
5) House is fired at
6) Explosions ocur due to ammunition and rockets stored there.


>
>
>
> 2009/1/4  :
> > On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:22:00 +0200, Avraham Schneider said:
> >> Not interested in continuing - was just responding to cheap propaganda
> >> started by an idiot.
> >
> > You people can't even agree to stop a flame war.
>
It's not a flame war - it's an off-topic propaganda started by a Muslim and
defended by a Jew.
Just add the subject to a filter rule in Outlook/gmail/whatever client you
use, and forget about it.

>
> >
> > How do you expect the Israelis and Palestinians to stop a *real* war?
>
I thought you don't care about this subject as it is off-topic - why are you
asking this question?

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Toni Koivunen  wrote:

> This thread has the same kind of full disclosure as seeing my grandma in
> itsy bitsy bikinis.
>
> Could you take this thread the fuck out of here? take it private or take
> it to another mailing

Not interested in continuing - was just responding to cheap propaganda
started by an idiot.

>
> list. If you lack one, I can host one as long as I don't have to read
> it. The only positive thing
> seen so far in this is that few of the other cockmunchers here have been
> quiet,  most likely for
> being awed at seeing a flamewar, even though in wrong place, where
> people actually try
> to give arguments on why they stand where they stand.
>
> Applaudable effort as such but wrong place. Take it elsewhere please. I
> can even offer you a
> mailing list where you can do it without disrupting others.

With the months of useless junk that has been flooding this list lately
(n3td3v, etc...) you have not realized yet that this list is unmoderated?

>
>
> My 0.02 FIM, obsolete as they are.
>
> --Toni
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
bua...@buanzo.com.ar> wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> They were murderers. Haters. Idiots. Motherfuckers. Religion is not the
> only excuse to be a killer.
>
I agree.


> Please, if you're gonna make excuses, make good ones.

Not making excuses - just contradicting your claims.


> People is bad for many reasons. Religion is
> one of the biggest excuses, HISTORICALLY, but it's not the only one.

Nope, I proved that the biggest historically were Atheists.
As far as religion is concerned, Christianity and Islam are the latest
religious evil-doers in history.

>
>
> I wouldn't ever consider killing you, or burying a woman and throw stones
> at her, etc...

Thanks. I never considered killing you or burying a woman and throw stones
at her either. Your point?

> sorry, but
> I think it's time someone creates a mailing list for full-disclousure-ONLY
> (unmoderated, but with a
> more "you're out of here, buddy" policy).

I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of unmoderated. Regardless -
I did not start this thread, just responded to lies posted here under cheap
propaganda. I don't have the time to continue with this thread, especially
since I proved this jerk wrong.

>
>
> If anyone owns / is member of such a list, PLEASE, send me an email.
>
> Avraham Schneider wrote:
> > Should I remind you that the biggest murderers of all times: Stalin,
> > Hitler, Mao where motivated by non-religious agendas and were Atheists?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
> > mailto:bua...@buanzo.com.ar>> wrote:
> >
> > The bloodshed is caused by idiot people, motherfuckers and things
> > like that. Stop the damn religion
> > of bein g an excuse for your country's desires, ok? Ig god existed,
> > he'd probably be thinking about
> > nuking the hell out of Earth.
> >
> > Alaa Abdelwahab wrote:
> >> Mikael
> >
> >>> This opinion is causing the majority of the bloodshed in the
> > world today.
> >
> >> What is causing the bloodshed is the unjust arrangements that are
> > tying to
> >> be forced somewhere, the same like your example after the WW I.
> >
> >
> >>> The argument can be made that Israel also tried peace, but it was
> > responded
> >>> with my bombings etc. Atrocities have been commited by both
> > sides, this is
> >>> an never ending argument. Both sides need to decide that they
> > want peace,
> >>> make sure they have representatives that also believe in this,
> > and then
> >>> they need to sit down and decide what to do, execute it and at
> > the same
> >>> time curb extremism in their own midst.
> >
> >> What peace they have tried? Did they agree on the tens of UN
> > resolutions:
> >
> >> - Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in
> > Israel.
> >> (General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948 )
> >> - Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal. (Security Council
> > Resolution
> >> 242, Nov. 22, 1967 )
> >> - Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal. (Security Council
> >> Resolution 446, March 22, 1979)
> >> - Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination. (General Assembly
> >> Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974)
> >> - Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State. (Security Council
> > Resolution 1397,
> >> March 12, 2002)
> >> - The 1947 Partition plan of Palestine and the creation of Israel. (UN
> >> General Assembly Resolution 181)
> >> - Recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem.
> > (Resolution
> >> 127)
> >
> >> All above UN resolutions and other tens of other resolutions to
> > deplores the
> >> Israeli terror attacks against Lebanon/Jordan/Syria/Palestine/
> > were just
> >> been ignored by Israel and instead they are just trying to force
> > their own
> >> view of peace, I don't call this peace.
> >
> >> Maybe you have a different definition of the terror acts.
> >
> >> When a man bomb himself and kills tens of civil ppl this is a
> > terror act,
> >> but also when a powerful country sends its troupes inside another
> > country
> >> and kills a thousands civil ppl this is a terror act as well.
> >
> >> Don't tell me it is doing that to protect itself.
> >
> >> To protect itself it should r

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

You have the wrong idea that I am trying to agree with you on something.

Let me break it to you - I am not.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab wrote:

>  Avraham,
>
>
>
> >Be careful of what you wish for.
>
> You see, we have agreed on something finally J
>
> Brgds…Alaa
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The (net)war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Talking of which... Hamas lately spammed Israelis with SMS's (with broken
funny Hebrew) in their pathetic attempt at scaring Israelis - was the joke
of the day for a while.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
 wrote:

> Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote:
> > Yeah, take all these crap out of a full-disclousure, IT security
> > mailing list, please...
> To keep the discussion on topic, what do you think about the israel
> ability to professionaly arrange national-wide SMS spamming to border
> countries?
>
>
> http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/2008/12/israeli-telephone-commandos-strike.html
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Should I remind you that the biggest murderers of all times: Stalin, Hitler,
Mao where motivated by non-religious agendas and were Atheists?

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
bua...@buanzo.com.ar> wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> The bloodshed is caused by idiot people, motherfuckers and things like
> that. Stop the damn religion
> of bein g an excuse for your country's desires, ok? Ig god existed, he'd
> probably be thinking about
> nuking the hell out of Earth.
>
> Alaa Abdelwahab wrote:
> > Mikael
> >
> >> This opinion is causing the majority of the bloodshed in the world
> today.
> >
> > What is causing the bloodshed is the unjust arrangements that are tying
> to
> > be forced somewhere, the same like your example after the WW I.
> >
> >
> >> The argument can be made that Israel also tried peace, but it was
> responded
> >> with my bombings etc. Atrocities have been commited by both sides, this
> is
> >> an never ending argument. Both sides need to decide that they want
> peace,
> >> make sure they have representatives that also believe in this, and then
> >> they need to sit down and decide what to do, execute it and at the same
> >> time curb extremism in their own midst.
> >
> > What peace they have tried? Did they agree on the tens of UN resolutions:
> >
> > - Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
> > (General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948 )
> > - Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal. (Security Council
> Resolution
> > 242, Nov. 22, 1967 )
> > - Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal. (Security Council
> > Resolution 446, March 22, 1979)
> > - Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination. (General Assembly
> > Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974)
> > - Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State. (Security Council Resolution
> 1397,
> > March 12, 2002)
> > - The 1947 Partition plan of Palestine and the creation of Israel. (UN
> > General Assembly Resolution 181)
> > - Recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem. (Resolution
> > 127)
> >
> > All above UN resolutions and other tens of other resolutions to deplores
> the
> > Israeli terror attacks against Lebanon/Jordan/Syria/Palestine/ were
> just
> > been ignored by Israel and instead they are just trying to force their
> own
> > view of peace, I don't call this peace.
> >
> > Maybe you have a different definition of the terror acts.
> >
> > When a man bomb himself and kills tens of civil ppl this is a terror act,
> > but also when a powerful country sends its troupes inside another country
> > and kills a thousands civil ppl this is a terror act as well.
> >
> > Don't tell me it is doing that to protect itself.
> >
> > To protect itself it should respect the UN resolutions. That should only
> > bring peace to the whole area and we all live in peace.
> >
> > What I believe is that the UN should force Israel to respect its
> > resolutions, the same way they did in Iraq and Yugoslavia.
> >
> >
> >> This is the current situation, it wasn't like this historically. Trying
> to
> >> argue that one side is evil by looking at latest developments is always
> a
> >> slippery road. You just before said that there were 5000 rockets
> launched
> >> in the past 8 years into Israel? Isn't that evil?
> >> This leads nowhere.
> >
> > As per the UN resolution which defined Israel as an "occupation forces",
> > that gives the right to the Palestinian to resist. Any way they see, and
> we
> > all should support them.
> > And as per the International Humanitarian Law "the Geneva Conventions",
> the
> > safety and securing a good life for the Palestinian ppl is the
> > responsibility of Israel.
> >
> >
> >> Force? As opposed to the parties involved here, I am writing/talking,
> >> instead of promoting bloodshed.
> >
> >
> > When I said "force YOUR" didn't mean you, sorry for the misunderstanding
> it
> > is my bad.
> >
> > Brgds...Alaa
> >
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Be careful of what you wish for.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
bua...@buanzo.com.ar> wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> The bloodshed is caused by idiot people, motherfuckers and things like
> that. Stop the damn religion
> of bein g an excuse for your country's desires, ok? Ig god existed, he'd
> probably be thinking about
> nuking the hell out of Earth.
>
> Alaa Abdelwahab wrote:
> > Mikael
> >
> >> This opinion is causing the majority of the bloodshed in the world
> today.
> >
> > What is causing the bloodshed is the unjust arrangements that are tying
> to
> > be forced somewhere, the same like your example after the WW I.
> >
> >
> >> The argument can be made that Israel also tried peace, but it was
> responded
> >> with my bombings etc. Atrocities have been commited by both sides, this
> is
> >> an never ending argument. Both sides need to decide that they want
> peace,
> >> make sure they have representatives that also believe in this, and then
> >> they need to sit down and decide what to do, execute it and at the same
> >> time curb extremism in their own midst.
> >
> > What peace they have tried? Did they agree on the tens of UN resolutions:
> >
> > - Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
> > (General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948 )
> > - Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal. (Security Council
> Resolution
> > 242, Nov. 22, 1967 )
> > - Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal. (Security Council
> > Resolution 446, March 22, 1979)
> > - Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination. (General Assembly
> > Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974)
> > - Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State. (Security Council Resolution
> 1397,
> > March 12, 2002)
> > - The 1947 Partition plan of Palestine and the creation of Israel. (UN
> > General Assembly Resolution 181)
> > - Recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem. (Resolution
> > 127)
> >
> > All above UN resolutions and other tens of other resolutions to deplores
> the
> > Israeli terror attacks against Lebanon/Jordan/Syria/Palestine/ were
> just
> > been ignored by Israel and instead they are just trying to force their
> own
> > view of peace, I don't call this peace.
> >
> > Maybe you have a different definition of the terror acts.
> >
> > When a man bomb himself and kills tens of civil ppl this is a terror act,
> > but also when a powerful country sends its troupes inside another country
> > and kills a thousands civil ppl this is a terror act as well.
> >
> > Don't tell me it is doing that to protect itself.
> >
> > To protect itself it should respect the UN resolutions. That should only
> > bring peace to the whole area and we all live in peace.
> >
> > What I believe is that the UN should force Israel to respect its
> > resolutions, the same way they did in Iraq and Yugoslavia.
> >
> >
> >> This is the current situation, it wasn't like this historically. Trying
> to
> >> argue that one side is evil by looking at latest developments is always
> a
> >> slippery road. You just before said that there were 5000 rockets
> launched
> >> in the past 8 years into Israel? Isn't that evil?
> >> This leads nowhere.
> >
> > As per the UN resolution which defined Israel as an "occupation forces",
> > that gives the right to the Palestinian to resist. Any way they see, and
> we
> > all should support them.
> > And as per the International Humanitarian Law "the Geneva Conventions",
> the
> > safety and securing a good life for the Palestinian ppl is the
> > responsibility of Israel.
> >
> >
> >> Force? As opposed to the parties involved here, I am writing/talking,
> >> instead of promoting bloodshed.
> >
> >
> > When I said "force YOUR" didn't mean you, sorry for the misunderstanding
> it
> > is my bad.
> >
> > Brgds...Alaa
> >
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