Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Nick FitzGerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > n3td3v wrote: > >> I've found something to stop me and gadi sending shit emails to F-D... >> >> http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html?foo > > So, for the greater good you've enabled it 24x7, yes? > > Now all we have to do is get Google to make the list of problems about 97 > long when Goggles runs under your account... > > problem is, gadi doesn't even use gmail! so how do we get rid of him? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
n3td3v wrote: > I've found something to stop me and gadi sending shit emails to F-D... > > http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html?foo So, for the greater good you've enabled it 24x7, yes? Now all we have to do is get Google to make the list of problems about 97 long when Goggles runs under your account... Regards, Nick FitzGerald ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
On Monday 06 October 2008 23:21:22 Anders Klixbull wrote: > You're obviously retarded Hey everybody! A proper use of "you're!" > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of imipak > Sent: 7. oktober 2008 10:46 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection > > > Keep your talentless tripe to yourself > > I liked it. > > Some of the metaphysical imagery was particularly effective... -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:37 PM, rholgstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you are more delusional than n3td3v and Dan combined > I've found something to stop me and gadi sending shit emails to F-D... http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html?foo ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Anders Klixbull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're obviously retarded > Seconded. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of imipak > Sent: 7. oktober 2008 10:46 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection > >> Keep your talentless tripe to yourself >> > > I liked it. > > Some of the metaphysical imagery was particularly effective... > > > =i > > -- > make way for history > flickering like a long-lost memory > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
You're obviously retarded -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of imipak Sent: 7. oktober 2008 10:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection > Keep your talentless tripe to yourself > I liked it. Some of the metaphysical imagery was particularly effective... =i -- make way for history flickering like a long-lost memory ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
> Keep your talentless tripe to yourself > I liked it. Some of the metaphysical imagery was particularly effective... =i -- make way for history flickering like a long-lost memory ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Tonnerre Lombard wrote: > Salut, Gadi Evron, > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:32:03 -0500 (CDT), Gadi Evron wrote: >> I have dual citizenship. Along with my homeland citizenship, I am of >> the Internet, and see it as my personal duty to try and make the >> Internet safe. > > Poor Germans who are not allowed to have dual citizenship. ;-) :) > Tonnerre > -- > SyGroup GmbH > Tonnerre Lombard > > Solutions Systematiques > Tel:+41 61 333 80 33 G?terstrasse 86 > Fax:+41 61 383 14 67 4053 Basel > Web:www.sygroup.ch[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
Keep your talentless tripe to yourself -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gadi Evron Sent: 6. oktober 2008 23:58 To: rholgstad Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, rholgstad wrote: > you are more delusional than n3td3v and Dan combined Dear anonymous flamer, While looking back now that a few days have passed and feeling that I should puke at all this ars poetica of mine, the feeling as well as thought behind the words, are still genuine, and I am happy I wrote them. Thank you for your time, Gadi. > Gadi Evron wrote: >> I started answering an email an hour ago, and it was important enough >> to spend time on. It also ended up being too long, so I dumped it in >> a blog post if you prfer reading in a web browser. >> http://gadievron.blogspot.com/2008/10/time-for-self-reflection.html >> >> Time for self reflection >> In case you don't read any of what I have to say below, read this: I >> have dual citizenship. Along with my homeland citizenship, I am of >> the Internet, and see it as my personal duty to try and make the Internet safe. >> >> Atrivo (also known as Intercage), is a network known to host criminal >> activity for many years, is no more. >> >> Not being sarcastic for once, this is time for some self reflection. >> >> I wish I was one of those who sleep soundly tonight. Being clear in >> my conviction that Atrivo should be out of business, and being >> positive my decision to help that happen was sound--While I would do >> it again, I am sad. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
Salut, Gadi Evron, On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:32:03 -0500 (CDT), Gadi Evron wrote: > I have dual citizenship. Along with my homeland citizenship, I am of > the Internet, and see it as my personal duty to try and make the > Internet safe. Poor Germans who are not allowed to have dual citizenship. ;-) Tonnerre -- SyGroup GmbH Tonnerre Lombard Solutions Systematiques Tel:+41 61 333 80 33Güterstrasse 86 Fax:+41 61 383 14 674053 Basel Web:www.sygroup.ch [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, rholgstad wrote: > you are more delusional than n3td3v and Dan combined Dear anonymous flamer, While looking back now that a few days have passed and feeling that I should puke at all this ars poetica of mine, the feeling as well as thought behind the words, are still genuine, and I am happy I wrote them. Thank you for your time, Gadi. > Gadi Evron wrote: >> I started answering an email an hour ago, and it was important enough to >> spend time on. It also ended up being too long, so I dumped it in a blog >> post if you prfer reading in a web browser. >> http://gadievron.blogspot.com/2008/10/time-for-self-reflection.html >> >> Time for self reflection >> In case you don't read any of what I have to say below, read this: I have >> dual citizenship. Along with my homeland citizenship, I am of the Internet, >> and see it as my personal duty to try and make the Internet safe. >> >> Atrivo (also known as Intercage), is a network known to host criminal >> activity for many years, is no more. >> >> Not being sarcastic for once, this is time for some self reflection. >> >> I wish I was one of those who sleep soundly tonight. Being clear in my >> conviction that Atrivo should be out of business, and being positive my >> decision to help that happen was sound--While I would do it again, I am >> sad. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
you are more delusional than n3td3v and Dan combined Gadi Evron wrote: > I started answering an email an hour ago, and it was important enough to > spend time on. It also ended up being too long, so I dumped it in a blog > post if you prfer reading in a web browser. > http://gadievron.blogspot.com/2008/10/time-for-self-reflection.html > > Time for self reflection > In case you don't read any of what I have to say below, read this: I have > dual > citizenship. Along with my homeland citizenship, I am of the Internet, and > see > it as my personal duty to try and make the Internet safe. > > Atrivo (also known as Intercage), is a network known to host criminal > activity > for many years, is no more. > > Not being sarcastic for once, this is time for some self reflection. > > I wish I was one of those who sleep soundly tonight. Being clear in my > conviction that Atrivo should be out of business, and being positive my > decision to help that happen was sound--While I would do it again, I am sad. > > I won't sleep soundly tonight, as that company, criminal and abusive as it > clearly and contemptuously was, still sustained quite a few families in > several > layers of employment, from sysadmins sitting in the US of A all the way to > minor low-level fraudsters employed by their clients' clients. > > I will however, be able to look myself in the mirror for my part in the > effort to get rid of them--and even gloat some. My conscious is as clear to > me > as my sadness is crystal. We may not have changed the wall of battle in the > long term and whenever one criminal falls, another jumps up to the > opportunities of the land of the free--the Internet. But for once, just for a > while, we halted the machine. We stopped the wheels of evil, even if only for > a > fortnight. > > While doing so, ee also touched some lives in a destructive fashion. The > criminals'. > > No villain ever sees himself as the bad guy, as the saying goes. A friend > recently showed me Russian language comments written on Brian Krebs' recent > Washington Post story. In them, the posters ask: "why do you take our bread > away?" > > In a lecture during ISOI 5, some folks just didn't understand the meaning. > Their bread. Their bread. We in the Western world, behind the cultural divide > speak a different language. Their culture isn't poorer than ours, it is > unequivocally different. > > We can not truly comprehend what it means for some folks in Russia to no > longer > be able to feed their children this month. Nor can we understand that by > sending email, we made those children starve. Cheap theatrics on my part, you > say? You got that right. It doesn't make it any less true. > > Cyber crime is a war waged against the Western world. At first, no one even > noticed and it was a niche.. an art. While the artists still exist, they are > a > minority, the hackers. For the criminals however, motive is as irrelevant as > nationality. Whatever actions are taken, be it a political defacement, fraud > or > spam, the unavoidable secondary impact remains the same: damage to the > Western > economy and security in an exponential growth which will become ever clearer > in > the coming years. > > Yes, my friends. I would do the same again. I feel sorry for Atrivo, but they > were harboring the equivalent for the Internet of active missile launchers > firing on Israel from the Gaza strip. They are human beings who hit a curve > in > the road to their success. Cyber criminals, however, establish such growth as > parasites and whatever I may feel for needing to resort to the end game > weaponry, these people need to be smacked down like cockroaches. > > Ten years ago they were a pride to their parents, today they are a scourge. > What will they be in ten years? > > If all reasonable and even some unreasonable approaches fail. That does not > mean I don't have to feel sorry for them, and me. But it also doesn't mean we > don't need to fight back. > > Not even a hundred years ago, disastrously, war was business and an > acceptable horrifying part of life. A few years later, in 1918, war was > unthinkable. In the century since we who live in or are influenced by > Western culture made war no longer an option we can publicly stomach, while > facing those who would play us like children because of it. > > War is horrifying and evil, it is also a last resort in a world not as > ascendant as we would like to think. The Internet has its own "liberals" and > I > am proud to be one of them. However, I am also practical and see that wishing > for a world we once had is not. A world where I could host files on my > neighbor's servers openly, where children could happily use pocket > calculators > and go to libraries for their school work rather than Google and read > Wikipedia. You did so, do your children? > > This new world has its price, and that price is a complete loss of public > privacy, and a cultur
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
Frank Zappa long time ago, has written a little song about Gadi Evron and his blog. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfX_2G9i6w On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I started answering an email an hour ago, and it was important enough to > spend time on. It also ended up being too long, so I dumped it in a blog > post if you prfer reading in a web browser. > http://gadievron.blogspot.com/2008/10/time-for-self-reflection.html > > Time for self reflection > In case you don't read any of what I have to say below, read this: I have > dual > citizenship. Along with my homeland citizenship, I am of the Internet, and > see > it as my personal duty to try and make the Internet safe. > > Atrivo (also known as Intercage), is a network known to host criminal > activity > for many years, is no more. > > Not being sarcastic for once, this is time for some self reflection. > > I wish I was one of those who sleep soundly tonight. Being clear in my > conviction that Atrivo should be out of business, and being positive my > decision to help that happen was sound--While I would do it again, I am > sad. > > I won't sleep soundly tonight, as that company, criminal and abusive as it > clearly and contemptuously was, still sustained quite a few families in > several > layers of employment, from sysadmins sitting in the US of A all the way to > minor low-level fraudsters employed by their clients' clients. > > I will however, be able to look myself in the mirror for my part in the > effort to get rid of them--and even gloat some. My conscious is as clear to > me > as my sadness is crystal. We may not have changed the wall of battle in the > long term and whenever one criminal falls, another jumps up to the > opportunities of the land of the free--the Internet. But for once, just for > a > while, we halted the machine. We stopped the wheels of evil, even if only > for a > fortnight. > > While doing so, ee also touched some lives in a destructive fashion. The > criminals'. > > No villain ever sees himself as the bad guy, as the saying goes. A friend > recently showed me Russian language comments written on Brian Krebs' recent > Washington Post story. In them, the posters ask: "why do you take our bread > away?" > > In a lecture during ISOI 5, some folks just didn't understand the meaning. > Their bread. Their bread. We in the Western world, behind the cultural > divide > speak a different language. Their culture isn't poorer than ours, it is > unequivocally different. > > We can not truly comprehend what it means for some folks in Russia to no > longer > be able to feed their children this month. Nor can we understand that by > sending email, we made those children starve. Cheap theatrics on my part, > you > say? You got that right. It doesn't make it any less true. > > Cyber crime is a war waged against the Western world. At first, no one even > noticed and it was a niche.. an art. While the artists still exist, they > are a > minority, the hackers. For the criminals however, motive is as irrelevant > as > nationality. Whatever actions are taken, be it a political defacement, > fraud or > spam, the unavoidable secondary impact remains the same: damage to the > Western > economy and security in an exponential growth which will become ever > clearer in > the coming years. > > Yes, my friends. I would do the same again. I feel sorry for Atrivo, but > they > were harboring the equivalent for the Internet of active missile launchers > firing on Israel from the Gaza strip. They are human beings who hit a curve > in > the road to their success. Cyber criminals, however, establish such growth > as > parasites and whatever I may feel for needing to resort to the end game > weaponry, these people need to be smacked down like cockroaches. > > Ten years ago they were a pride to their parents, today they are a scourge. > What will they be in ten years? > > If all reasonable and even some unreasonable approaches fail. That does not > mean I don't have to feel sorry for them, and me. But it also doesn't mean > we > don't need to fight back. > > Not even a hundred years ago, disastrously, war was business and an > acceptable horrifying part of life. A few years later, in 1918, war was > unthinkable. In the century since we who live in or are influenced by > Western culture made war no longer an option we can publicly stomach, while > facing those who would play us like children because of it. > > War is horrifying and evil, it is also a last resort in a world not as > ascendant as we would like to think. The Internet has its own "liberals" > and I > am proud to be one of them. However, I am also practical and see that > wishing > for a world we once had is not. A world where I could host files on my > neighbor's servers openly, where children could happily use pocket > calculators > and go to libraries for their school work rather than Google and read > Wikipedia. You did so, do your children? > > This ne
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
fuck off and die Gadi Evron wrote: > I started answering an email an hour ago, and it was important enough to > spend time on. It also ended up being too long, so I dumped it in a blog > post if you prfer reading in a web browser. > http://gadievron.blogspot.com/2008/10/time-for-self-reflection.html > > Time for self reflection > In case you don't read any of what I have to say below, read this: I have > dual > citizenship. Along with my homeland citizenship, I am of the Internet, and > see > it as my personal duty to try and make the Internet safe. > > Atrivo (also known as Intercage), is a network known to host criminal > activity > for many years, is no more. > > Not being sarcastic for once, this is time for some self reflection. > > I wish I was one of those who sleep soundly tonight. Being clear in my > conviction that Atrivo should be out of business, and being positive my > decision to help that happen was sound--While I would do it again, I am sad. > > I won't sleep soundly tonight, as that company, criminal and abusive as it > clearly and contemptuously was, still sustained quite a few families in > several > layers of employment, from sysadmins sitting in the US of A all the way to > minor low-level fraudsters employed by their clients' clients. > > I will however, be able to look myself in the mirror for my part in the > effort to get rid of them--and even gloat some. My conscious is as clear to > me > as my sadness is crystal. We may not have changed the wall of battle in the > long term and whenever one criminal falls, another jumps up to the > opportunities of the land of the free--the Internet. But for once, just for a > while, we halted the machine. We stopped the wheels of evil, even if only for > a > fortnight. > > While doing so, ee also touched some lives in a destructive fashion. The > criminals'. > > No villain ever sees himself as the bad guy, as the saying goes. A friend > recently showed me Russian language comments written on Brian Krebs' recent > Washington Post story. In them, the posters ask: "why do you take our bread > away?" > > In a lecture during ISOI 5, some folks just didn't understand the meaning. > Their bread. Their bread. We in the Western world, behind the cultural divide > speak a different language. Their culture isn't poorer than ours, it is > unequivocally different. > > We can not truly comprehend what it means for some folks in Russia to no > longer > be able to feed their children this month. Nor can we understand that by > sending email, we made those children starve. Cheap theatrics on my part, you > say? You got that right. It doesn't make it any less true. > > Cyber crime is a war waged against the Western world. At first, no one even > noticed and it was a niche.. an art. While the artists still exist, they are > a > minority, the hackers. For the criminals however, motive is as irrelevant as > nationality. Whatever actions are taken, be it a political defacement, fraud > or > spam, the unavoidable secondary impact remains the same: damage to the > Western > economy and security in an exponential growth which will become ever clearer > in > the coming years. > > Yes, my friends. I would do the same again. I feel sorry for Atrivo, but they > were harboring the equivalent for the Internet of active missile launchers > firing on Israel from the Gaza strip. They are human beings who hit a curve > in > the road to their success. Cyber criminals, however, establish such growth as > parasites and whatever I may feel for needing to resort to the end game > weaponry, these people need to be smacked down like cockroaches. > > Ten years ago they were a pride to their parents, today they are a scourge. > What will they be in ten years? > > If all reasonable and even some unreasonable approaches fail. That does not > mean I don't have to feel sorry for them, and me. But it also doesn't mean we > don't need to fight back. > > Not even a hundred years ago, disastrously, war was business and an > acceptable horrifying part of life. A few years later, in 1918, war was > unthinkable. In the century since we who live in or are influenced by > Western culture made war no longer an option we can publicly stomach, while > facing those who would play us like children because of it. > > War is horrifying and evil, it is also a last resort in a world not as > ascendant as we would like to think. The Internet has its own "liberals" and > I > am proud to be one of them. However, I am also practical and see that wishing > for a world we once had is not. A world where I could host files on my > neighbor's servers openly, where children could happily use pocket > calculators > and go to libraries for their school work rather than Google and read > Wikipedia. You did so, do your children? > > This new world has its price, and that price is a complete loss of public > privacy, and a culture of ineffective security. > > We a
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
Hi Gadi, In answer to your last question: "Enough whining though. Who is next on the target list? :)" Look at KnujOn's Top Ten Worst Registrars list. Joker and BLI have been handed breach notices by ICANN. EST will follow, then eNOM, then... There is no need to worry about their "bread," that's just the criminals trying to make us feel guilty. KnujOn was told that if we did not back off, a particular Chinese registrar was going to fire its low level abuse staff. These guys do not care about the people who work for them. They only care about their own bread. Please don't give in to their guilt trip. The time has come for the criminals to find honest work, like the rest of us. There is plenty to do. We are all of the Internet. -- bob On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Gadi Evron wrote: > I started answering an email an hour ago, and it was important enough to > spend time on. It also ended up being too long, so I dumped it in a blog > post if you prfer reading in a web browser. > http://gadievron.blogspot.com/2008/10/time-for-self-reflection.html > > Time for self reflection > > > More seriously, why do I care so much? I have dual citizenship. Along with my > homeland citizenship, I am of the Internet, and see it as my personal duty to > try and make the Internet safe. > > Gadi Evron, > Of the Internet. -- Dr. Robert Bruen Cold Rain Knujon http://coldrain.net http://knujon.com +1.802.579.6288 ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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What a fag. You need to get out more. Also, the Internet doesn't want you. Fack off. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gadi Evron, > Of the Internet. > Gadi Evron, of the internet! ha ha, how many beers did you have last night! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] pause for reflection
I started answering an email an hour ago, and it was important enough to spend time on. It also ended up being too long, so I dumped it in a blog post if you prfer reading in a web browser. http://gadievron.blogspot.com/2008/10/time-for-self-reflection.html Time for self reflection In case you don't read any of what I have to say below, read this: I have dual citizenship. Along with my homeland citizenship, I am of the Internet, and see it as my personal duty to try and make the Internet safe. Atrivo (also known as Intercage), is a network known to host criminal activity for many years, is no more. Not being sarcastic for once, this is time for some self reflection. I wish I was one of those who sleep soundly tonight. Being clear in my conviction that Atrivo should be out of business, and being positive my decision to help that happen was sound--While I would do it again, I am sad. I won't sleep soundly tonight, as that company, criminal and abusive as it clearly and contemptuously was, still sustained quite a few families in several layers of employment, from sysadmins sitting in the US of A all the way to minor low-level fraudsters employed by their clients' clients. I will however, be able to look myself in the mirror for my part in the effort to get rid of them--and even gloat some. My conscious is as clear to me as my sadness is crystal. We may not have changed the wall of battle in the long term and whenever one criminal falls, another jumps up to the opportunities of the land of the free--the Internet. But for once, just for a while, we halted the machine. We stopped the wheels of evil, even if only for a fortnight. While doing so, ee also touched some lives in a destructive fashion. The criminals'. No villain ever sees himself as the bad guy, as the saying goes. A friend recently showed me Russian language comments written on Brian Krebs' recent Washington Post story. In them, the posters ask: "why do you take our bread away?" In a lecture during ISOI 5, some folks just didn't understand the meaning. Their bread. Their bread. We in the Western world, behind the cultural divide speak a different language. Their culture isn't poorer than ours, it is unequivocally different. We can not truly comprehend what it means for some folks in Russia to no longer be able to feed their children this month. Nor can we understand that by sending email, we made those children starve. Cheap theatrics on my part, you say? You got that right. It doesn't make it any less true. Cyber crime is a war waged against the Western world. At first, no one even noticed and it was a niche.. an art. While the artists still exist, they are a minority, the hackers. For the criminals however, motive is as irrelevant as nationality. Whatever actions are taken, be it a political defacement, fraud or spam, the unavoidable secondary impact remains the same: damage to the Western economy and security in an exponential growth which will become ever clearer in the coming years. Yes, my friends. I would do the same again. I feel sorry for Atrivo, but they were harboring the equivalent for the Internet of active missile launchers firing on Israel from the Gaza strip. They are human beings who hit a curve in the road to their success. Cyber criminals, however, establish such growth as parasites and whatever I may feel for needing to resort to the end game weaponry, these people need to be smacked down like cockroaches. Ten years ago they were a pride to their parents, today they are a scourge. What will they be in ten years? If all reasonable and even some unreasonable approaches fail. That does not mean I don't have to feel sorry for them, and me. But it also doesn't mean we don't need to fight back. Not even a hundred years ago, disastrously, war was business and an acceptable horrifying part of life. A few years later, in 1918, war was unthinkable. In the century since we who live in or are influenced by Western culture made war no longer an option we can publicly stomach, while facing those who would play us like children because of it. War is horrifying and evil, it is also a last resort in a world not as ascendant as we would like to think. The Internet has its own "liberals" and I am proud to be one of them. However, I am also practical and see that wishing for a world we once had is not. A world where I could host files on my neighbor's servers openly, where children could happily use pocket calculators and go to libraries for their school work rather than Google and read Wikipedia. You did so, do your children? This new world has its price, and that price is a complete loss of public privacy, and a culture of ineffective security. We are reliant on our Auntie Jane's computer knowledge for our own security, and while not many would follow us to our bathrooms to infringe on our personal privacy, online we have no privacy, however much it helps us to lie to ourselves that
