Re: [funsec] More reasons not to trust electronic voting ...
We don't need more reasons. All such systems not only cannot be trusted, they *must not* be trusted. Schneier did the clinching analysis eight years ago: Stealing an Election https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0404.html#4 and the only things that have changed in the interim are (a) the attacker budget has dramatically increased and (b) the cost of the required technology has decreased. ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Rachel from Cardmember Services.....
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:02:34AM -0400, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: http://bruce.pennypacker.org/2005/02/28/the-rules-of-spam/ Yep, I know. I've said for many years that the reason spammers don't stop is that they CAN'T stop: they're sociopathic monsters, in the same way that serial killers or mass murderers are. ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
[funsec] Fwd: [Infowarrior] - Creepy Kinect Narc potential
Wait... what? - ferg -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Forno rfo...@infowarrior.org Date: Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:38 AM Subject: [Infowarrior] - Creepy Kinect Narc potential To: Infowarrior List infowarr...@attrition.org Microsoft Is Turning Kinect Into a Narc Leslie Horn http://gizmodo.com/5958094/microsoft-is-turning-kinect-into-a-narc Kinect is tons of fun. Have you ever played Dance Central 3? Great game. But according to a newly discovered patent, the Xbox add-on is also maybe spying on you, which is totally not cool, man. This very big brother-y piece of intellectual property—Content Distribution Regulation by Viewing User—uses Kinect's camera to count the number of people in the room and in some cases, identify who they are. This consumer detector will charge you licensing fees based on how many bodies are present, and could even stop playback to collect on you if it detects more humans than you've paid for. Sorry if you have a baby face, because the tech could also check on ages and cut off mature content if the system doesn't think you're old enough. God, Kinect. Such a tattletale! [USPTO via Geekwire via BetaBeat] --- Just because i'm near the punchbowl doesn't mean I'm also drinking from it. ___ Infowarrior mailing list infowarr...@attrition.org https://attrition.org/mailman/listinfo/infowarrior -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
[funsec] Sandy and BCP
The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... (Why do I have this old oil filter ad tagline running through my head? You can pay me now ... or pay me later ...) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Verba volant, scripta manent Spoken words fly away, while written words stay on victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] More reasons not to trust electronic voting ...
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: We don't need more reasons. All such systems not only cannot be trusted, they *must not* be trusted. Schneier did the clinching analysis eight years ago: Stealing an Election https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0404.html#4 and the only things that have changed in the interim are (a) the attacker budget has dramatically increased and (b) the cost of the required technology has decreased. I believe lobbyists have made more political contributions. The contributions will likely trump all technical arguments, including Moore's Law. Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah rmsl...@shaw.ca wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... In the aftermath, I was thinking: boy a natural disaster did this on happen chance. What would be the result of a concerted effort by an intelligent group who are angry about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policies in other regions of the world. Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
There's an interesting issue here. If the imprudent Mr Piggy builds a straw house next to a place that floods, should I be taxed to build flood defences around his house? This is a problem we're getting in the UK, where far too many housing estates are being built on flood plains. On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... (Why do I have this old oil filter ad tagline running through my head? You can pay me now ... or pay me later ...) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Verba volant, scripta manent Spoken words fly away, while written words stay on victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah rmsl...@shaw.ca wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... In the aftermath, I was thinking: boy a natural disaster did this on happen chance. What would be the result of a concerted effort by an intelligent group who are angry about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policies in other regions of the world. Right! If that group all got together and prayed really hard, maybe they could get an even worse storm. I'd guess that Poseidon would be the right god to pray to for this. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah rmsl...@shaw.ca wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... In the aftermath, I was thinking: boy a natural disaster did this on happen chance. What would be the result of a concerted effort by an intelligent group who are angry about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policies in other regions of the world. Probably not as epic as a 870 mile long storm. Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Drsolly drsol...@drsolly.com wrote: There's an interesting issue here. If the imprudent Mr Piggy builds a straw house next to a place that floods, should I be taxed to build flood defences around his house? In the US, the answer is yes. New Orleans is in a flood plain (its below sea level). Some of the money to build the flood defenses was pilfered and wasted by the politicians - substandard levies, money diverted to casino/riverboat gambling, money diverted to other individuals and special projects... Hopefully the UK will fair better. Who is more dangerous to this country? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution? Or the Muslims living in a cave pissed off about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policy? Jeff On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
To be fair, if you exclude construction in all places that suffer disasters, you can't build anywhere, and most land will lie fallow. Meanwhile prices do not take into account significant disaster risk, and insurance may literally not be available. Taxes end up being a mechanism by which the resources of a country may still be used despite risk that is on a timeline greater than the market can comprehend. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Drsolly drsol...@drsolly.com wrote: There's an interesting issue here. If the imprudent Mr Piggy builds a straw house next to a place that floods, should I be taxed to build flood defences around his house? This is a problem we're getting in the UK, where far too many housing estates are being built on flood plains. On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... (Why do I have this old oil filter ad tagline running through my head? You can pay me now ... or pay me later ...) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Verba volant, scripta manent Spoken words fly away, while written words stay on victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:12:40 -0500, Jeffrey Walton said: Who is more dangerous to this country? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution? Or the Muslims living in a cave pissed off about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policy? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution because they scare us with the threat of the Muslims living in a cave. FTFY. pgpnIRTpFlG0k.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:30 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:12:40 -0500, Jeffrey Walton said: Who is more dangerous to this country? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution? Or the Muslims living in a cave pissed off about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policy? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution because they scare us with the threat of the Muslims living in a cave. They did not do a good job with Katrina or Sandy, though ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
Date sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 18:35:59 + (GMT) From: Drsolly drsol...@drsolly.com This is a problem we're getting in the UK, where far too many housing estates are being built on flood plains. Yeah, I just can't help noticing how many flood and slide disasters happen on those nice flat building areas known as alluvial fans. == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org As the harbor is welcome to the sailor, so is the last line to the scribe. - marginalia by scribe/copyist monk victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
Rob Slade to Drsolly: This is a problem we're getting in the UK, where far too many housing estates are being built on flood plains. Yeah, I just can't help noticing how many flood and slide disasters happen on those nice flat building areas known as alluvial fans. And add to those liquefaction during earthquakes... Regards, Nick FitzGerald ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
[funsec] Court OKs warrantless use of hidden surveillance cameras
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57542510-38/court-oks-warrantless-use-of-hidden-surveillance-cameras/ Police are allowed in some circumstances to install hidden surveillance cameras on private property without obtaining a search warrant, a federal judge said yesterday. CNET has learned that U.S. District Judge William Griesbach ruled that it was reasonable for Drug Enforcement Administration agents to enter rural property without permission -- and without a warrant -- to install multiple covert digital surveillance cameras in hopes of uncovering evidence that 30 to 40 marijuana plants were being grown. This is the latest case to highlight how advances in technology are causing the legal system to rethink how Americans' privacy rights are protected by law. In January, the Supreme Court rejected warrantless GPS tracking after previously rejecting warrantless thermal imaging, but it has not yet ruled on warrantless cell phone tracking or warrantless use of surveillance cameras placed on private property without permission. ... ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
