Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
I am FULLY in favor of starting over…. I say there are a couple things that should happen to “reboot” the government if you will… 1) Get rid of Democrat and Republican (and ALL others) labels… a. This will ensure that people voting will have to listen to the actual issues the candidate stands for b. If a candidate uses the term Dem or Rep AT ALL they forfeit the race… Zero use of those labels can be used, even if it’s “former Democrat” or “former republican”, not allowed at all, you loose if you use… period! c. Lets face it Romney was 100% correct. 47% of folks will vote for Democrat and 47% will vote for Republican, JUST because of those two words acssociated with the candidate…. Oh shock! The people voting will actually have to think for themselves d. Primary election would consist of everyone whom wants to run for office. We put the TWO candidates with the most votes into the general election e. General election will decide the president (or whatever office) f.No more electoral college 2) This is is *very* important…. FIRE the whole lot of them…. Everyone that holds an office right now is fired, period. I’d say at a rep/congressman/gov/president level at least. a. You CANNOT run for office in this first election, so there’ll be ZERO incumbants running… b. You WILL be able to run for office next term if you desire. With those 2 steps, we’ll be able to get full fresh blood into all the offices, AND the people of these United States will actually have to pay attention to the candidates. I think it’s good for a start at least…. Maybe a bit of refinement could be done, but on it’s basics, it’s pretty simple and will work…. Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Cyber Security Services EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01772 From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Daugherty Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:29 PM To: Jeffrey Walton Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ... I've seen calls for direct democracy as a replacement for representative government. There is a serious danger in that, and that is tyranny of a majority. Look at Uganda's recent kill the gays bill - can we really be sure that even something as malicious as that couldn't pass here with Faux News cheerleading it on? Whatever may take the place of congress in the future, we do have to be mindful of the dark side of democracy - I mean, even in our own history we once thought slavery and alcohol prohibition were good ideas... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.commailto:noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Dan White dwh...@olp.netmailto:dwh...@olp.net wrote: On 02/04/13 17:10 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: ... Don't be hesitant of starting over. Creationist should appreciate the biblical theme - nearly all ancient societies talk about the great flood. Chrisitianity turned it into Noah and the Ark. It should appeal to Evolutionist too. The fall of the dinosaurs led to the rise of the mamals. Starting over at times is righteous and natural. Starting over, without fixing the processes that got us here is just going to lead to the same result. Rapid incremental change (to legal code) is what's going to make the difference, but that's going to require a change in how representational government works - as in cutting the representatives out. Funny you should bring that up :) I was not sure if I was being naive or optomisitic (when I question myself). Here, I hope the new group who would take their place would have fortitude, courage, and some sense of equity, morals and justice; and they would not travel in the same sewers. Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 08:42:46 -0600, Dan White said: I do not fear the tyranny of the majority. I believe when push comes to shove that people will make their own selfish decisions, for the betterment of themselves and their own families. There is sufficient evidence in the last few election cycles of people voting directly contrary to their own self-interest that your belief is not at all a foregone conclusion. pgprOB3agI_Yg.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On 02/05/13 12:21 -0500, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 08:42:46 -0600, Dan White said: I do not fear the tyranny of the majority. I believe when push comes to shove that people will make their own selfish decisions, for the betterment of themselves and their own families. There is sufficient evidence in the last few election cycles of people voting directly contrary to their own self-interest that your belief is not at all a foregone conclusion. What evidence? Do you know each and every voter's intentions and desires? It's extremely tempting to make assumptions about voters who voted for the other guy, and I've seen or heard a lot of that since November. Short of physical or financial coercion, which is admittedly a potential problem for electronic voting, people are just going to vote for who they want to vote for. The fact that they do vote for someone else just makes me assume that they have different motivations than I do. -- Dan White ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On 2/5/13 11:21 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 08:42:46 -0600, Dan White said: I do not fear the tyranny of the majority. I believe when push comes to shove that people will make their own selfish decisions, for the betterment of themselves and their own families. There is sufficient evidence in the last few election cycles of people voting directly contrary to their own self-interest that your belief is not at all a foregone conclusion. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. It never gets old seeing the statement voting contrary to their own self-interest because someone doesn't vote as you would have them do so. I harbor no illusions that both major parties are pretty worthless, but the unmitigated gall of that statement alone is appalling. You want to know why our political system is screwed up, it's that exact mentality. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
[funsec] While we're all trying to fix politics, economics, etc.
I have a question. Please to consider the following candidate password: S.3-t=2ga+Zilg59CEkp4 I'm curious as to how y'all would classify that on a scale of weak-to-strong. Yes, I have a reason for asking, but I'd like to withhold that for the moment in order to gather opinions based on the merits. (And fixing politics, economics, etc.? Simple. When I am Supreme Emperor and Lord of the...what?! Oh man...y'all are no fun at all. Fine. *Fine*. You ingrates will have to do it the hard way.) ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] While we're all trying to fix politics, economics, etc.
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:49:44 -0500, Rich Kulawiec said: I have a question. Please to consider the following candidate password: S.3-t=2ga+Zilg59CEkp4 I'm curious as to how y'all would classify that on a scale of weak-to-strong. The answer is it depends. It's a strong password if your threat model includes rainbow tables and dictionary attacks and brute force. It's a insanely weak password if your thread model includes keystroke loggers and people spotting the post-it note on the monitor. pgpU5mcs0UpRB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] While we're all trying to fix politics, economics, etc.
Very strong, for whatever your definition of strong is. ;-) - ferg On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: I have a question. Please to consider the following candidate password: S.3-t=2ga+Zilg59CEkp4 I'm curious as to how y'all would classify that on a scale of weak-to-strong. Yes, I have a reason for asking, but I'd like to withhold that for the moment in order to gather opinions based on the merits. (And fixing politics, economics, etc.? Simple. When I am Supreme Emperor and Lord of the...what?! Oh man...y'all are no fun at all. Fine. *Fine*. You ingrates will have to do it the hard way.) ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On 2/5/13 11:54 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:39 AM, John Bambenek bambenek.info...@gmail.com wrote: It never gets old seeing the statement voting contrary to their own self-interest because someone doesn't vote as you would have them do so. I harbor no illusions that both major parties are pretty worthless, but the unmitigated gall of that statement alone is appalling. You want to know why our political system is screwed up, it's that exact mentality. Spoken like a true Republican. :-) - ferg Republicans say shit like that too. I may have run as one, but I'm an equal opportunity partisan hater. That's probably not accurate, my most heated bile is reserved for Republicans. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
-Original Message- From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:46 PM To: Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) Cc: Stephanie Daugherty; Jeffrey Walton; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ... On 02/05/13 17:06 +, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) wrote: I am FULLY in favor of starting over…. I say there are a couple things that should happen to “reboot” the government if you will… 1) Get rid of Democrat and Republican (and ALL others) labels… I agree, but how are you going to enforce this? Are you going to enact laws which restrict who and how people associate? --- YES, the law will be simple If you use an old party label in any manner or function, you are immediately disqualified from candidacy. Plain and simple, even a 3 year old can follow... any campaign funds you have in your coffers will be equally distributed to the other candidates in it's entirety. you'll have to wait for next term to re-run 3rd parties using those terms will be heavily fined for their first offence and will NOT be able to contribute a dime to any candidate... 2nd offence they will be even more heavily fined up to 90% of their net worth, period... All fines will go to the election fund that is equally distributed among all candidates... any cash left over will go directly to the people of the US in the form of a direct tax reduction (not a tax deduction, but a direct reduction of the final amount... including a tax refund if the number is negative) in the amount left over divided by the number of taxpayers. a. This will ensure that people voting will have to listen to the actual issues the candidate stands for b. If a candidate uses the term Dem or Rep AT ALL they forfeit the race… Zero use of those labels can be used, even if it’s “former Democrat” or “former republican”, not allowed at all, you loose if you use… period! c. Lets face it Romney was 100% correct. 47% of folks will vote for Democrat and 47% will vote for Republican, JUST because of those two words acssociated with the candidate…. Oh shock! The people voting will actually have to think for themselves Imagine an environment where it's not really important who you vote for in a biennial election, but one where you actually get to vote on specific issues. It's one effective way to break the two party system, which is only relevant where you have low democratic granularity. --- by removing the party names, and disallowing their use, people will have to pay attention and vote on what a candidate ACTUALLY stands for and not just because they are red or blue or grey d. Primary election would consist of everyone whom wants to run for office. We put the TWO candidates with the most votes into the general election I'm all for that. e. General election will decide the president (or whatever office) f.No more electoral college Yes please. -- with my system there is simply no need for it representatives and congressmen get to vote, but their vote doesn't count any more than mine does -- Dan White ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:26 AM, John Bambenek bambenek.info...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/5/13 11:54 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:39 AM, John Bambenek bambenek.info...@gmail.com wrote: It never gets old seeing the statement voting contrary to their own self-interest because someone doesn't vote as you would have them do so. I harbor no illusions that both major parties are pretty worthless, but the unmitigated gall of that statement alone is appalling. You want to know why our political system is screwed up, it's that exact mentality. Spoken like a true Republican. :-) - ferg Republicans say shit like that too. I may have run as one, but I'm an equal opportunity partisan hater. That's probably not accurate, my most heated bile is reserved for Republicans. I agree with you there, and there is enough to complain about involving all parties, incumbents, etc. - ferg -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
The first *best* step is to take the money out of politics altogether. - ferg On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Conrad Constantine con...@1211.net wrote: On 2/5/2013 12:46 PM, Dan White wrote: e. General election will decide the president (or whatever office) f.No more electoral college Yes please. I still think my solution is the best. Parties do not elect their presidential candidates, only nominate them. The population votes for all the presented candidates from all parties. with the Top three highest voted candidates (party irrelevant) now entering the ring, gladiatorial combat ensues - to the death. Four years later the president must again defend his title from a new batch of challengers. house and senate remain pretty much the same, however any citizen has the right to challenge them in single combat for their position once every three months. terms are otherwise unlimited. Hey, it might not be a perfect form of government, but at least it will have rich privileged people dying for their beliefs, instead of poor folks sacrificing themselves for the same. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On 2/5/13 12:29 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:26 AM, John Bambenek bambenek.info...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/5/13 11:54 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:39 AM, John Bambenek bambenek.info...@gmail.com wrote: It never gets old seeing the statement voting contrary to their own self-interest because someone doesn't vote as you would have them do so. I harbor no illusions that both major parties are pretty worthless, but the unmitigated gall of that statement alone is appalling. You want to know why our political system is screwed up, it's that exact mentality. Spoken like a true Republican. :-) - ferg Republicans say shit like that too. I may have run as one, but I'm an equal opportunity partisan hater. That's probably not accurate, my most heated bile is reserved for Republicans. I agree with you there, and there is enough to complain about involving all parties, incumbents, etc. - ferg The biggest problem is that most people don't bother to get informed. It isn't self-interest or whatever. Heck, most of the time every candidate on the ballot sucks so does it really matter who you vote for? For instance, you might support typical Democratic policies, but do you really want a child rapist (Menendez) as your Senator. Or whoever that Florida pervert Congressman was in 2006. There are far too many voters who say I kinda know that name, I'm voting for him, hence incumbents have a 98%ish reelect rate. At that rate, nothing changes and everything that we see as partisan rancor is really just infotainment masturbation for FoxNews and MSNBC. Exhibit A, the gun control debate. We all know it's going nowhere because Harry Reid won't call anything. But it's good for fundraising so rage on kids. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On 2/5/13 11:57 AM, Conrad Constantine wrote: On 2/5/2013 12:46 PM, Dan White wrote: e. General election will decide the president (or whatever office) f.No more electoral college Yes please. I still think my solution is the best. Parties do not elect their presidential candidates, only nominate them. The population votes for all the presented candidates from all parties. with the Top three highest voted candidates (party irrelevant) now entering the ring, gladiatorial combat ensues - to the death. Four years later the president must again defend his title from a new batch of challengers. house and senate remain pretty much the same, however any citizen has the right to challenge them in single combat for their position once every three months. terms are otherwise unlimited. Hey, it might not be a perfect form of government, but at least it will have rich privileged people dying for their beliefs, instead of poor folks sacrificing themselves for the same. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. George Washington called it. Parties are bullshit and are an extra-electoral means of influence that surpasses anything you can do at the ballot box. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] While we're all trying to fix politics, economics, etc.
if it's a password a *HUMAN* has to enter, they'll never remember it and probably write it down somewhere which would make it very weak. If you can 100% guarantee that said human will keep it in a password safe and simply cut and paste it into the password it would be much stronger, to very strong If a HUMAN never has to enter it by hand, and it's only used by a machine, and is encrypted at rest (in code or wherever), then it's very strong. Just my 2 cents :-) Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Cyber Security Services EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01772 -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Rich Kulawiec Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:50 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: [funsec] While we're all trying to fix politics, economics, etc. I have a question. Please to consider the following candidate password: S.3-t=2ga+Zilg59CEkp4 I'm curious as to how y'all would classify that on a scale of weak-to-strong. Yes, I have a reason for asking, but I'd like to withhold that for the moment in order to gather opinions based on the merits. (And fixing politics, economics, etc.? Simple. When I am Supreme Emperor and Lord of the...what?! Oh man...y'all are no fun at all. Fine. *Fine*. You ingrates will have to do it the hard way.) ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] While we're all trying to fix politics, economics, etc.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/05/2013 01:20 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:49:44 -0500, Rich Kulawiec said: I have a question. Please to consider the following candidate password: S.3-t=2ga+Zilg59CEkp4 I'm curious as to how y'all would classify that on a scale of weak-to-strong. The answer is it depends. It's a strong password if your threat model includes rainbow tables and dictionary attacks and brute force. It's a insanely weak password if your thread model includes keystroke loggers and people spotting the post-it note on the monitor. Aren't all passwords insanely weak for threat models that include keystroke loggers and spotting the post-it on the monitor? ~c -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJREVMJAAoJELuLPXMxqTZ/q9sP/RpsJ48LeXFe9nt2wtbp9vQE Y0GWmnLatJDdSX8Q+zHZXAEF2kY5MoxbOkoREh3ZlnFa54pzEN2fMzhOpRBuKnAN dLD7XDXAEP5Y3QNsxpRiiaXZ9ytP2QLh8yNYShQfjXKIdLh5rOjZsCHYhTJqGSKm nL69CvJkvNTMtqFzN9csXs7X8lvFZlKuhYjGUIU5h7Zh6KO9AW/vDCbLUZ9bZoaU vsvq0EheiYV5WDru/48bKJ5HSf28VtGBGAXoGzqPwPFQq5DBK8bFh6TKRmK8rZxB MeUzexk2PKimfjA0aIXZFR6/RBmdDNwCIthaUQzgH2bWBWYnW2Ia+olBZJ3xRPnT 4h94Z5QaK53lziGrg/y0T8HxQX2r6jBav9R/0ivzTZa3r+ylNNaXlNObsUwE30eI HvxqIJFCUmhrZbXqo7pIobtG3jtYsSrI2xO6GW+s4Yk93CfEq+olehYXtsSVV9/g V/FwEr1FU1pCmPNrvkcj+9jIwaxK9XAxYyXJz0t2z7EPZIW15Aos+lWf4J2oYpsL YAhNwHJL+dDDSz+vZ8VhE3n8+ySalZJfBE/x2yBOAvvBen7chBpwhI2i+ZDPjmPC x13OKV1ZdWPl7mO3UV1f2GV9dZ6s+HTdW46JAIZgOlubCZFKDFU3N+kbkIovbAMW WpzcXfG0wVm5HUbLXvX4 =XXYL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) michael.blanch...@emc.com wrote: I am FULLY in favor of starting over…. I say there are a couple things that should happen to “reboot” the government if you will… 1) Get rid of Democrat and Republican (and ALL others) labels… Devil's advocate: should it be a multi-party system? Or a 0 party system. Multi-party systems suffer the same gridlock. Nazi Germany comes to mind with its 10's or 100's or political parties [not an invocation of Godwin's Law]. 2) This is is *very* important…. FIRE the whole lot of them…. Everyone that holds an office right now is fired, period. I’d say at a rep/congressman/gov/president level at least. Sparta - one of the first democracies - had it right. They term limited public officials and put them on trial when their term was over. It was a 'check' in the system. If a public official did nothing wrong, then there was no problem with being investigated and possibly tried. Its funny how we lost that lesson over the last 1000 years or so. With those 2 steps, we’ll be able to get full fresh blood into all the offices, AND the people of these United States will actually have to pay attention to the candidates. Related: I consulted with my lawyer on how to stop Obama from running in 2012. I wanted to file for injunctive relief from the asshole (assuming he would not get a bullet to the head from some pissed-off voter). It's not a crazy as it sounds: In 2008, Obama campaigned on (among others): (1) withdrawal from Iraq; (2) financial industry reform; (3) executive compensation reform; (4) normalization of relations with arab countries; (5) 'reconstituionalize' Guantanamo Bay and the prisoners. We got none of them. That's why I voted for Obama in 2008. The justice system was not equipped for the lawsuit. I had no recourse to redress my grievances - even though he was a candidate at the time and did not enjoy executive privilege. Jeff From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Daugherty Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:29 PM To: Jeffrey Walton Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ... I've seen calls for direct democracy as a replacement for representative government. There is a serious danger in that, and that is tyranny of a majority. Look at Uganda's recent kill the gays bill - can we really be sure that even something as malicious as that couldn't pass here with Faux News cheerleading it on? Whatever may take the place of congress in the future, we do have to be mindful of the dark side of democracy - I mean, even in our own history we once thought slavery and alcohol prohibition were good ideas... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Dan White dwh...@olp.net wrote: On 02/04/13 17:10 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: ... Don't be hesitant of starting over. Creationist should appreciate the biblical theme - nearly all ancient societies talk about the great flood. Chrisitianity turned it into Noah and the Ark. It should appeal to Evolutionist too. The fall of the dinosaurs led to the rise of the mamals. Starting over at times is righteous and natural. Starting over, without fixing the processes that got us here is just going to lead to the same result. Rapid incremental change (to legal code) is what's going to make the difference, but that's going to require a change in how representational government works - as in cutting the representatives out. Funny you should bring that up :) I was not sure if I was being naive or optomisitic (when I question myself). Here, I hope the new group who would take their place would have fortitude, courage, and some sense of equity, morals and justice; and they would not travel in the same sewers. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] While we're all trying to fix politics, economics, etc.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: I have a question. Please to consider the following candidate password: S.3-t=2ga+Zilg59CEkp4 I'm curious as to how y'all would classify that on a scale of weak-to-strong. It looks strong by contemporary standards - its a mix of upper/lower/symbols, and has non-trivial length (21 is greater than the often recommended 8, 10, 12 or 16). But there's only limited entropy in the password, so be careful of its use. Strong passwords often indicate we should be using Public Key Cryptography. Finally, as others have said, you also need the context. Will it be digested? Will it be persisted in a passed-like file? Perhaps both (digested and persisted) via an HMAC an HSM? Will it directly key a cipher (never persisted)? Yes, I have a reason for asking, but I'd like to withhold that for the moment in order to gather opinions based on the merits. Do you want some independent research/citations? (And fixing politics, economics, etc.? Simple. When I am Supreme Emperor and Lord of the...what?! Oh man...y'all are no fun at all. Fine. *Fine*. You ingrates will have to do it the hard way.) I would be a benevolent dictator too. Corporate America might beg to differ Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On 2/5/2013 1:30 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: The first *best* step is to take the money out of politics altogether. - ferg that would involve taking the power out of having money too. Politics is a modern day path to power and rulership, and the great families have a vested interest in maintaining their oligarchy by fiat. You want some way to divorce the two? How about a rule that prevents succession-by-birth explicitly - and that holding an office precludes your offspring from doing the same. now THAT would put the fox amongst the chickens! I'm from the UK, we're used to peerage, because it's explicitly allowed by law. The USA has managed to create the same system, entirely without support of law, merely money and power. Which funnily enough, is pretty much how peerage got started in the first place, and then they just had the church slap something about it being the will of god onto it. Fast forward yourself a couple of centuries and hey, you've got yourself a monarchy. America enjoyed a brief period of enjoying a return to Classical forms of government, but appears to be rapidly returning back to the state of Feudalism that has been the norm for humanity for most of the last two millenia. Considering the sheer amount of time that humanity has languished in some variety of feudalism, you might consider it the natural state of things at this point... all systems intended to equalize resources and social justice are inevitably gamed into a format that comes to serve those with the will to power. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
-Original Message- From: Jeffrey Walton [mailto:noloa...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:51 PM To: Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ... On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) michael.blanch...@emc.com wrote: I am FULLY in favor of starting over…. I say there are a couple things that should happen to “reboot” the government if you will… 1) Get rid of Democrat and Republican (and ALL others) labels… Devil's advocate: should it be a multi-party system? Or a 0 party system. Multi-party systems suffer the same gridlock. Nazi Germany comes to mind with its 10's or 100's or political parties [not an invocation of Godwin's Law]. ZERO party system... that is the backbone to the whole thing... Each candidate stands on his own issues and ideals 2) This is is *very* important…. FIRE the whole lot of them…. Everyone that holds an office right now is fired, period. I’d say at a rep/congressman/gov/president level at least. Sparta - one of the first democracies - had it right. They term limited public officials and put them on trial when their term was over. It was a 'check' in the system. If a public official did nothing wrong, then there was no problem with being investigated and possibly tried. Its funny how we lost that lesson over the last 1000 years or so. With those 2 steps, we’ll be able to get full fresh blood into all the offices, AND the people of these United States will actually have to pay attention to the candidates. Related: I consulted with my lawyer on how to stop Obama from running in 2012. I wanted to file for injunctive relief from the asshole (assuming he would not get a bullet to the head from some pissed-off voter). It's not a crazy as it sounds: In 2008, Obama campaigned on (among others): (1) withdrawal from Iraq; (2) financial industry reform; (3) executive compensation reform; (4) normalization of relations with arab countries; (5) 'reconstituionalize' Guantanamo Bay and the prisoners. We got none of them. That's why I voted for Obama in 2008. The justice system was not equipped for the lawsuit. I had no recourse to redress my grievances - even though he was a candidate at the time and did not enjoy executive privilege. your recourse was to NOT vote for him in 2012... Jeff From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Daugherty Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:29 PM To: Jeffrey Walton Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ... I've seen calls for direct democracy as a replacement for representative government. There is a serious danger in that, and that is tyranny of a majority. Look at Uganda's recent kill the gays bill - can we really be sure that even something as malicious as that couldn't pass here with Faux News cheerleading it on? Whatever may take the place of congress in the future, we do have to be mindful of the dark side of democracy - I mean, even in our own history we once thought slavery and alcohol prohibition were good ideas... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Dan White dwh...@olp.net wrote: On 02/04/13 17:10 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: ... Don't be hesitant of starting over. Creationist should appreciate the biblical theme - nearly all ancient societies talk about the great flood. Chrisitianity turned it into Noah and the Ark. It should appeal to Evolutionist too. The fall of the dinosaurs led to the rise of the mamals. Starting over at times is righteous and natural. Starting over, without fixing the processes that got us here is just going to lead to the same result. Rapid incremental change (to legal code) is what's going to make the difference, but that's going to require a change in how representational government works - as in cutting the representatives out. Funny you should bring that up :) I was not sure if I was being naive or optomisitic (when I question myself). Here, I hope the new group who would take their place would have fortitude, courage, and some sense of equity, morals and justice; and they would not travel in the same sewers. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
-Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of John Bambenek Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:32 PM To: Paul Ferguson Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ... snip There are far too many voters who say I kinda know that name, I'm voting for him, hence incumbents have a 98%ish reelect rate. At that rate, nothing changes and everything that we see as partisan rancor is really just infotainment masturbation for FoxNews and MSNBC. Exhibit A, the gun control debate. We all know it's going nowhere because Harry Reid won't call anything. But it's good for fundraising so rage on kids. Obama did one smart thing in his first term... he stayed far away from the gun control issue he knows it's a losing battle for anyone that is for gun control, this was proven in 1994 and is being proven again in NY, look at Cuomo's (sp) approval rating right now, low percentage ratings... right now Obama doesn't really care because he can't run for a third term (unless he's really stupid and passes an executive order suspending the general election in 2016)... but even now, he's being somewhat careful, not very careful, but somewhat careful ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
Most people who run for office hate dealing with fundraising. You could go to complete public financing, but you'd be you would have a glut of political consultant whores who would get candidates in races just to collect a paycheck. It costs nothing for a voter to figure out info on a candidate. Candidates are pretty public people. The problem is, the percentage of voters who swing elections not only take no steps to be informed, they adamantly do NOT want to be informed and have nothing to do with that. Reaching people who don't want to be reached is expensive. Campaign finance reform / public financing / et al is just haggling on who pays that expensive bill. j On 2/5/13 12:30 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: The first *best* step is to take the money out of politics altogether. - ferg On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Conrad Constantine con...@1211.net wrote: On 2/5/2013 12:46 PM, Dan White wrote: e. General election will decide the president (or whatever office) f.No more electoral college Yes please. I still think my solution is the best. Parties do not elect their presidential candidates, only nominate them. The population votes for all the presented candidates from all parties. with the Top three highest voted candidates (party irrelevant) now entering the ring, gladiatorial combat ensues - to the death. Four years later the president must again defend his title from a new batch of challengers. house and senate remain pretty much the same, however any citizen has the right to challenge them in single combat for their position once every three months. terms are otherwise unlimited. Hey, it might not be a perfect form of government, but at least it will have rich privileged people dying for their beliefs, instead of poor folks sacrificing themselves for the same. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
All political systems are ultimately two-party systems (yes, even in Europe). You get the people who bind together to hold power and the people who don't have power. Whether or not they use labels is irrelevant. On 2/5/13 12:51 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) michael.blanch...@emc.com wrote: I am FULLY in favor of starting over…. I say there are a couple things that should happen to “reboot” the government if you will… 1) Get rid of Democrat and Republican (and ALL others) labels… Devil's advocate: should it be a multi-party system? Or a 0 party system. Multi-party systems suffer the same gridlock. Nazi Germany comes to mind with its 10's or 100's or political parties [not an invocation of Godwin's Law]. 2) This is is *very* important…. FIRE the whole lot of them…. Everyone that holds an office right now is fired, period. I’d say at a rep/congressman/gov/president level at least. Sparta - one of the first democracies - had it right. They term limited public officials and put them on trial when their term was over. It was a 'check' in the system. If a public official did nothing wrong, then there was no problem with being investigated and possibly tried. Its funny how we lost that lesson over the last 1000 years or so. With those 2 steps, we’ll be able to get full fresh blood into all the offices, AND the people of these United States will actually have to pay attention to the candidates. Related: I consulted with my lawyer on how to stop Obama from running in 2012. I wanted to file for injunctive relief from the asshole (assuming he would not get a bullet to the head from some pissed-off voter). It's not a crazy as it sounds: In 2008, Obama campaigned on (among others): (1) withdrawal from Iraq; (2) financial industry reform; (3) executive compensation reform; (4) normalization of relations with arab countries; (5) 'reconstituionalize' Guantanamo Bay and the prisoners. We got none of them. That's why I voted for Obama in 2008. The justice system was not equipped for the lawsuit. I had no recourse to redress my grievances - even though he was a candidate at the time and did not enjoy executive privilege. Jeff From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Daugherty Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:29 PM To: Jeffrey Walton Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ... I've seen calls for direct democracy as a replacement for representative government. There is a serious danger in that, and that is tyranny of a majority. Look at Uganda's recent kill the gays bill - can we really be sure that even something as malicious as that couldn't pass here with Faux News cheerleading it on? Whatever may take the place of congress in the future, we do have to be mindful of the dark side of democracy - I mean, even in our own history we once thought slavery and alcohol prohibition were good ideas... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Dan White dwh...@olp.net wrote: On 02/04/13 17:10 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: ... Don't be hesitant of starting over. Creationist should appreciate the biblical theme - nearly all ancient societies talk about the great flood. Chrisitianity turned it into Noah and the Ark. It should appeal to Evolutionist too. The fall of the dinosaurs led to the rise of the mamals. Starting over at times is righteous and natural. Starting over, without fixing the processes that got us here is just going to lead to the same result. Rapid incremental change (to legal code) is what's going to make the difference, but that's going to require a change in how representational government works - as in cutting the representatives out. Funny you should bring that up :) I was not sure if I was being naive or optomisitic (when I question myself). Here, I hope the new group who would take their place would have fortitude, courage, and some sense of equity, morals and justice; and they would not travel in the same sewers. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:16 PM, John Bambenek bambenek.info...@gmail.com wrote: All political systems are ultimately two-party systems (yes, even in Europe). You get the people who bind together to hold power and the people who don't have power. +1. Well said. Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] While we're all trying to fix politics, economics, etc.
On 6/02/2013 5:44 AM, Charlie Derr wrote: Aren't all passwords insanely weak for threat models that include keystroke loggers and spotting the post-it on the monitor? No - the passwords password and secret are incredibly strong for models that include spotting the post-it on the monitor. -- Best, --- Les Bell [+61 2 9451 1144] [http://www.lesbell.com.au] ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] While we're all trying to fix politics, economics, etc.
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:44:25 -0500, Charlie Derr said: Aren't all passwords insanely weak for threat models that include keystroke loggers and spotting the post-it on the monitor? Yes. So what's your point? pgp6alKYoBFZt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:26:55 +, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) said: If you use an old party label in any manner or function, you are immediately disqualified from candidacy The problem is that the instant a candidate says I'm standing with these 27 other congresscritters in support of proposals A, B, and C, you've re-invented the party platform. And there's no really good way to ban 28 congresscritters from banding together to get A, B, and C passed. pgpTW3YJHo6b3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
