Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
Yes, unfortunately, some of the inferior primates simply don't grasp AGW - or don't wish to, since it would be politically inconvenient or not in keeping with their laughably primitive superstitions. To those of us who actually read (gasp!) papers about climate, Sandy isn't a surprise; the probability of such an event has been steadily increasing, to the point when it was only a matter of where and when, not if. As an example of this in a nontechnical forum, Dr. Jeff Masters (Weather Underground) predicted something like Sandy -- rather accurately, as it turns out -- in a TED talk a year ago: http://blog.ted.com/2012/11/02/one-year-ago-predicting-hurricane-sandys-devastating-effects/ In that talk, he talks about nine unthinkable weather disasters that could hit the US in the next thirty years. As the text at that link observes, number six just happened. ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
The USA is the second biggest emitter of greenhouse gases (second to China). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions So if greenhouse gas emission is leading to climate change, and if climate change is leading to weather disasters then Poseidon has his aim pretty much accurate. If the US belching out CO2 isn't causing climate change and US weather disasters, no action is required. And if the US belching out CO2 is leading to weather disasters in the US ... I live in the UK, so I'm all right Jack. On Wed, 7 Nov 2012, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Yes, unfortunately, some of the inferior primates simply don't grasp AGW - or don't wish to, since it would be politically inconvenient or not in keeping with their laughably primitive superstitions. To those of us who actually read (gasp!) papers about climate, Sandy isn't a surprise; the probability of such an event has been steadily increasing, to the point when it was only a matter of where and when, not if. As an example of this in a nontechnical forum, Dr. Jeff Masters (Weather Underground) predicted something like Sandy -- rather accurately, as it turns out -- in a TED talk a year ago: http://blog.ted.com/2012/11/02/one-year-ago-predicting-hurricane-sandys-devastating-effects/ In that talk, he talks about nine unthinkable weather disasters that could hit the US in the next thirty years. As the text at that link observes, number six just happened. ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
[funsec] Sandy and BCP
The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... (Why do I have this old oil filter ad tagline running through my head? You can pay me now ... or pay me later ...) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Verba volant, scripta manent Spoken words fly away, while written words stay on victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah rmsl...@shaw.ca wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... In the aftermath, I was thinking: boy a natural disaster did this on happen chance. What would be the result of a concerted effort by an intelligent group who are angry about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policies in other regions of the world. Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
There's an interesting issue here. If the imprudent Mr Piggy builds a straw house next to a place that floods, should I be taxed to build flood defences around his house? This is a problem we're getting in the UK, where far too many housing estates are being built on flood plains. On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... (Why do I have this old oil filter ad tagline running through my head? You can pay me now ... or pay me later ...) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Verba volant, scripta manent Spoken words fly away, while written words stay on victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah rmsl...@shaw.ca wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... In the aftermath, I was thinking: boy a natural disaster did this on happen chance. What would be the result of a concerted effort by an intelligent group who are angry about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policies in other regions of the world. Right! If that group all got together and prayed really hard, maybe they could get an even worse storm. I'd guess that Poseidon would be the right god to pray to for this. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah rmsl...@shaw.ca wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... In the aftermath, I was thinking: boy a natural disaster did this on happen chance. What would be the result of a concerted effort by an intelligent group who are angry about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policies in other regions of the world. Probably not as epic as a 870 mile long storm. Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Drsolly drsol...@drsolly.com wrote: There's an interesting issue here. If the imprudent Mr Piggy builds a straw house next to a place that floods, should I be taxed to build flood defences around his house? In the US, the answer is yes. New Orleans is in a flood plain (its below sea level). Some of the money to build the flood defenses was pilfered and wasted by the politicians - substandard levies, money diverted to casino/riverboat gambling, money diverted to other individuals and special projects... Hopefully the UK will fair better. Who is more dangerous to this country? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution? Or the Muslims living in a cave pissed off about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policy? Jeff On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
To be fair, if you exclude construction in all places that suffer disasters, you can't build anywhere, and most land will lie fallow. Meanwhile prices do not take into account significant disaster risk, and insurance may literally not be available. Taxes end up being a mechanism by which the resources of a country may still be used despite risk that is on a timeline greater than the market can comprehend. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Drsolly drsol...@drsolly.com wrote: There's an interesting issue here. If the imprudent Mr Piggy builds a straw house next to a place that floods, should I be taxed to build flood defences around his house? This is a problem we're getting in the UK, where far too many housing estates are being built on flood plains. On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: The flooding of New York City was, once again, an example of known threats not being addressed. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/11/defending-new-york-floods It would have been too expensive to do anything about the issues. (Flood costs currently $50B and rising as more damage found.) Of course, nobody could have predicted Sandy, because this was a storm produced by changing conditions. Brought on by global warming/climate change. Which is another issue that is too expensive to address ... (Why do I have this old oil filter ad tagline running through my head? You can pay me now ... or pay me later ...) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Verba volant, scripta manent Spoken words fly away, while written words stay on victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:12:40 -0500, Jeffrey Walton said: Who is more dangerous to this country? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution? Or the Muslims living in a cave pissed off about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policy? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution because they scare us with the threat of the Muslims living in a cave. FTFY. pgpnIRTpFlG0k.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:30 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:12:40 -0500, Jeffrey Walton said: Who is more dangerous to this country? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution? Or the Muslims living in a cave pissed off about socio-economic injustice and biased foreign policy? The corrupt politicians who never face investigation or prosecution because they scare us with the threat of the Muslims living in a cave. They did not do a good job with Katrina or Sandy, though ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
Date sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 18:35:59 + (GMT) From: Drsolly drsol...@drsolly.com This is a problem we're getting in the UK, where far too many housing estates are being built on flood plains. Yeah, I just can't help noticing how many flood and slide disasters happen on those nice flat building areas known as alluvial fans. == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org As the harbor is welcome to the sailor, so is the last line to the scribe. - marginalia by scribe/copyist monk victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Sandy and BCP
Rob Slade to Drsolly: This is a problem we're getting in the UK, where far too many housing estates are being built on flood plains. Yeah, I just can't help noticing how many flood and slide disasters happen on those nice flat building areas known as alluvial fans. And add to those liquefaction during earthquakes... Regards, Nick FitzGerald ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
