Re: FVWM: Look for FvwmCpp and FvwmM4 best practice.
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 05:20:28PM +0300, Oleksandr Gavenko wrote: Firstly I make some explanation. Next I ask questions. Sorry for long text (( I have: SetVar VAR VAL in my .fvwmrc but this is not good to export them to other processes (this happen when I call application from Fvwm menu). Page: http://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org/IRC/HashFvwm/ say: This Thomas Adam guy - what does he mean when he says: it's bad to pollute the environment? That's cool to see that problem discussed but link from: For more specific instances, please see: http://fvwm.lair.be/viewtopic.php?f=40t=1505 no longer available... That's why I wrote the InfoStore command. I expect to hear about FvwmCpp and FvwmM4 but: site:fvwmwiki.xteddy.org FvwmCpp FvwmM4 take no results. Also reading of That's because FvwmM4 and FvwmCpp aren't used by anyone who writed for the wiki. Furthermore, FvwmM4 and FvwmCPP are so old, only a few people still use them. Where I can read about FvwmCpp and FvwmM4 best practice? Old post on google. The only one I know of is an article about FvwmCpp at the Linux Gazette. -- Thomas Adam -- Deep in my heart I wish I was wrong. But deep in my heart I know I am not. -- Morrissey (Girl Least Likely To -- off of Viva Hate.)
FVWM: Why forum and wiki on non-official hosts?
I run nslookup: bash# nslookup fvwmwiki.xteddy.org Address: 89.16.175.155 bash# nslookup www.fvwmforums.org Address: 204.11.244.84 bash# nslookup fvwm.org Address: 129.7.128.168 and traceroute. It is obvious that these 3 hosts geographically separated. Yea, wiki was hosted at personal home site... Why do not maintain wiki and forum at wiki.fvwm.org, forum.fvwm.org? I understand that these resources was arisen on personal interest. Making these resources official take guaranty that their archives would be alive any time. Why spend time to improve wiki if it can dead any time? Some one may suggest to use: git clone git://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org/srv/git/fvwmwiki.git frequently. Not an option)) I think that wiki is powerful thing. Look to en.gentoo-wiki.com It is better then Debian manuals and references for end users. But emacswiki.org distinct example. Many dust and outdated or wrong content. Wiki allow fix and improve things that written at: http://fvwm.org/documentation/faq/ How is it hard to make update to the FAQ? -- Best regards!
Re: FVWM: Why forum and wiki on non-official hosts?
On 8 July 2012 20:50, Oleksandr Gavenko gaven...@gmail.com wrote: Why do not maintain wiki and forum at wiki.fvwm.org, forum.fvwm.org? Because then it's the responsibility of fvwm.org to maintain them. The wiki and forum see such little updates that as they stand now is fine. How is it hard to make update to the FAQ? Hard enough that the *quality* of the FAQ is preserved, which is a VERY good thing, IMO. People wishing to contribute to that can do so through patches. Which in turn implies review. -- Thomas Adam
Re: FVWM: Look for FvwmCpp and FvwmM4 best practice.
Oleksandr Gavenko gaven...@gmail.com writes: On 2012-07-08, Thomas Adam wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 05:20:28PM +0300, Oleksandr Gavenko wrote: Now I think that FvwmCpp and FvwmM4 are mostly useless modules. Little snippet from one of my config files: #define BACK 21/B9/FD #define FORE 22/59/E9 DestroyDecor recreate DecorVec AddToDecor DecorVec #if PLANES 9 + TitleStyle Centered ActiveUp (Solid cornflowerblue -- Raised) \\ Inactive (Solid Navy -- Flat) \\ ActiveDown (Solid dimgrey -- Sunk) #else /*edgemid-point center */ + TitleStyle Centered ActiveUp (\\ SGradient 128 2 rgb:BACK 20 rgb:33/33/aa 70 rgb:FORE)\\ Inactive (\\ SGradient 128 2 rgb:BACK 50 rgb:44/44/aa 50 rgb:33/33/77)\\ ActiveDown (\\ SGradient 128 2 rgb:00/77/aa 30 rgb:44/88/aa 70 rgb:88/88/aa) #endif This came from work where we had some users with Sun workstations and 8 bit color, and some with Linux and real graphics cards. -- Dan Espen
Re: FVWM: Why forum and wiki on non-official hosts?
On 2012-07-09, Thomas Adam wrote: On 8 July 2012 20:50, Oleksandr Gavenko gaven...@gmail.com wrote: Why do not maintain wiki and forum at wiki.fvwm.org, forum.fvwm.org? Because then it's the responsibility of fvwm.org to maintain them. The wiki and forum see such little updates that as they stand now is fine. OK. I want to contribute to Fvwm HOWTO this text (yesterday I wrote Fvwm related section): https://github.com/qnikst/kbdd/wiki/Usecases I look for appropriate place over Internet and decide that: http://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org/ is it. But as contributor I notice: * No links to fvwmwiki from http://www.fvwm.org/ (for example main page point to fvwmforums). * Wiki home page say: This is the home of the FvwmWiki. That's true. But how was related Fvwm project and this wiki? For example if I visit http://wiki.debian.org/ it is obvious that this wiki is ONLY ONE RIGHT wiki for Debian... How about near like this notice? So anyone can fill that this is right place for contribution... In any case this is only suggestions)) How is it hard to make update to the FAQ? Hard enough that the *quality* of the FAQ is preserved, which is a VERY good thing, IMO. People wishing to contribute to that can do so through patches. Which in turn implies review. Seems that all web pages from http://www.fvwm.org under some VCS... I found http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/perllib/General::Parse.php too old (Updated: 2005-08-24). 'getToken' name and other currently named as 'get_token', etc. That why I ask about ability to update some page under fvwm.org... Now I get sources from CVS and it is seems to update this page someone need rerun doc generation (and deploy) script for Perl modules. Is this script under CVS or it is custom and owned by developers? -- Best regards!
Re: FVWM: Why forum and wiki on non-official hosts?
Oleksandr Gavenko gaven...@gmail.com writes: On 2012-07-09, Thomas Adam wrote: On 8 July 2012 20:50, Oleksandr Gavenko gaven...@gmail.com wrote: Why do not maintain wiki and forum at wiki.fvwm.org, forum.fvwm.org? Because then it's the responsibility of fvwm.org to maintain them. The wiki and forum see such little updates that as they stand now is fine. OK. I want to contribute to Fvwm HOWTO this text (yesterday I wrote Fvwm related section): https://github.com/qnikst/kbdd/wiki/Usecases I look for appropriate place over Internet and decide that: http://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org/ is it. But as contributor I notice: * No links to fvwmwiki from http://www.fvwm.org/ (for example main page point to fvwmforums). * Wiki home page say: This is the home of the FvwmWiki. That's true. But how was related Fvwm project and this wiki? For example if I visit http://wiki.debian.org/ it is obvious that this wiki is ONLY ONE RIGHT wiki for Debian... How about near like this notice? So anyone can fill that this is right place for contribution... In any case this is only suggestions)) How is it hard to make update to the FAQ? Hard enough that the *quality* of the FAQ is preserved, which is a VERY good thing, IMO. People wishing to contribute to that can do so through patches. Which in turn implies review. Seems that all web pages from http://www.fvwm.org under some VCS... I found http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/perllib/General::Parse.php too old (Updated: 2005-08-24). 'getToken' name and other currently named as 'get_token', etc. That why I ask about ability to update some page under fvwm.org... Now I get sources from CVS and it is seems to update this page someone need rerun doc generation (and deploy) script for Perl modules. Is this script under CVS or it is custom and owned by developers? Check the developer section at fvwm.org. Everything on the fvwm.org site is in CVS including generation scripts. The web stuff is in the fvwm-web CVS package. -- Dan Espen
