Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
Since this thread has gotten quite chatty: Thomas Adam wrote (Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 04:02:07PM +0100): > I did reply back to him -- he wishes us all well, and is delighted that fvwm > is still continuing. I can't help wondering aloud what Drew Moseley uses now. I used to be a twm user at that time, moved to tvtwm, and finally to fvwm around the turn of the century :-) I think, when the earliest versions of StarOffice were released for GNU/Linux users. Under tvtwm, the cursor wouldn't show up in the StarOffice window. -mandar
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 27 Aug 10:24:24 +0100 Thomas Adam scripsit: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:07:56AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > None of them have FvwmPrompt in it, not these versions and not the other on > > the disks. > > > > Looks like no version < 2.0.42 ever made it to the mirrors. > > Depends where you look, I suppose. :) > > I found fvwm-2.0.40.tar.gz here: > > http://debian.lth.se/pub/X11/fvwm/ > > fvwm-2.0.40.tar.gz1995-12-20 21:28466K > > I downloaded it, messed about with gcc and managed to get it to compile. > > FvwmPrompt is pretty simple -- just asks "Yes" or "No". I can see why FvwmForm > replaced it. > > Mystery solved, and I've more versions to add to the archive now. > > As it's only 466K, I'm attaching it to this email for posterity. > > -- Thomas > Oh, this is a good find, thank you! Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 03:03:10PM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > Wow, fvwm history that is before my time? (I think.) I managed to track down Drew Moseley (the original author of FvwmPrompt), and he had this to say: Hi Thomas, Thanks for reaching out. Yes, indeed that was me. That's great to hear that fvwm is still under active maintainership. What kind of systems is it used on? I don't recall the specifics but I had switched to fvwm for my use on the SunOS systems at the University of Florida and wanted to be able to confirm logouts and such. The default at the time was twm if I recall correctly and it had that. When the fvwm plugin architecture was available it ended up being a simple thing to implement so I did. I sent it over to the maintainer and he replied saying thanks and that was the last I heard of it. Drew I think he appreciated the trip down memory lane. I'm mindful to expand the existing fvwm history page we have with these tidbits of information -- it's nicely unique. The maintainer at the time Drew submitted FvwmPrompt would have been Chuck Hines, I imagine. I did reply back to him -- he wishes us all well, and is delighted that fvwm is still continuing. As it happens, the module interface Drew refers to hasn't changed much since 1995. Sure, more fields of data have been added, but the way data is exchanged between fvwm and modules remains largely the same. Not bad going for 25 years of code! Anyhow, I think this now wraps that mystery up. Kindly, Thomas
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Aug 19:37:03 +0100 Thomas Adam scripsit: > Hi, > > I'm curious about a piece of Fvwm history. In the git log for fvwm2, the > initial revision (which is when Jason committed the Fvwm code to CVS), notes > the following for Fvwm 2.0.41: > > Removed FvwmPrompt (use FvwmForm instead, since it's better anyways) > > This was sometime in 1998, although I'm presuming 2.0.41 was before then. > > Has anyone gpt any information about FvwmPrompt? If it were a forerunner to > FvwmForm I've not heard of it before. I note from the old mailing list > archives that it was a compiled module, but I can't find the code anywhere. > > Dust off the cobwebs, folks! > > I'm only asking as I have just committed a new binary to Fvwm3 called > "FvwmPrompt", and hadn't realised it had existed already. I thought I was > being so clever with the choice of name as well... That'll teach me! :) > > -- Thomas > > Just saw that archive.org has a SUSE from 1996: https://archive.org/details/suse-june_1996_release_i386 It has the oldest version of FVWM on it I have ever worked with - actually, that was one of the versons on the first linux disk sets that got me into linux :) -r--r--r-- 1 root root 59892 Jul 27 1993 tsx-11.mit.edu/sources/usr.bin.X11/fvwm-0.91b.tar.gz for the versions of fvwm in question: -r--r--r-- 1 root root 324178 Okt 29 1994 ftp.funet.fi/util/X11/contrib/fvwm-1.24n.tar.gz -r--r--r-- 1 root root 329170 Mai 7 1996 ftp.uni-erlangen.de/680x0/X11R6.1/fvwm95-2.0.41e.tar.gz -r--r--r-- 1 root root805 Apr 18 1996 sunsite.unc.edu-REST/X11/window-managers/fvwm-2.0.42.lsm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 7 1996 sunsite.unc.edu-REST/X11/window-managers/fvwm-2.0.42.tar.gz-is-in-pkg-fvwm_s -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 581985 Jun 4 1996 suse/zq1/fvwm_s.tgz None of them have FvwmPrompt in it, not these versions and not the other on the disks. Looks like no version < 2.0.42 ever made it to the mirrors. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Aug 22:06:37 +0100 Thomas Adam scripsit: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 09:19:40PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Some more history: > > > > sunsite.unc.edu-CD6/X11/window-managers/ > > fvwm-2.0.43.tar.gz 537 KB 12.07.9617:51:56 MESZ > > Yes -- this is already catered for in what's in the git repositories. > > > So 2.0.41 is somewhere between August 1995 and June 1996 - kind of a blind > > spot in my archive. Still it might be in the shrinkwaped box of 1998 which I > > dare not to open ... > > What archive do you own? Is this a private collection or something you've > found on Google? > > -- Thomas Adam > Private collection. My own computer museum from days of adventure long gone by :) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 09:19:40PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Some more history: > > sunsite.unc.edu-CD6/X11/window-managers/ > fvwm-2.0.43.tar.gz537 KB 12.07.9617:51:56 MESZ Yes -- this is already catered for in what's in the git repositories. > So 2.0.41 is somewhere between August 1995 and June 1996 - kind of a blind > spot in my archive. Still it might be in the shrinkwaped box of 1998 which I > dare not to open ... What archive do you own? Is this a private collection or something you've found on Google? -- Thomas Adam
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 03:03:10PM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > Wow, fvwm history that is before my time? (I think.) I didn't think that was possible! Damn. :) > All I can come up with is a config file with this: > > AddToMenu Module-Popup"Modules" Title > + "Prompt"Module FvwmPrompt "hello" raise > > Looks like it issued a prompt then executed an Fvwm command. Indeed. I can find compilation problems on the fvwm mailing list, but nothing beyond that. > I don't remember FvwmClean either. See: https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/fvwm1/FvwmClean1.1.en.html I'm not sure what problem that solved, but it's interesting! -- Thomas
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" writes: > Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Aug 19:37:03 +0100 > Thomas Adam scripsit: >> Hi, >> >> I'm curious about a piece of Fvwm history. In the git log for fvwm2, >> the initial revision (which is when Jason committed the Fvwm code to >> CVS), notes the following for Fvwm 2.0.41: >> >> Removed FvwmPrompt (use FvwmForm instead, since it's better >> anyways) >> >> This was sometime in 1998, although I'm presuming 2.0.41 was before >> then. >> >> Has anyone gpt any information about FvwmPrompt? If it were a >> forerunner to FvwmForm I've not heard of it before. I note from the >> old mailing list archives that it was a compiled module, but I can't >> find the code anywhere. >> >> Dust off the cobwebs, folks! >> >> I'm only asking as I have just committed a new binary to Fvwm3 called >> "FvwmPrompt", and hadn't realised it had existed already. I thought >> I was being so clever with the choice of name as well... That'll >> teach me! :) >> >> -- Thomas >> >> > > 1998 ... could it be that the SuSE Linux of 1995 has it? I remember I > used fvwm95 around that time. I'll go to archive and check :) > > Nik Wow, fvwm history that is before my time? (I think.) All I can come up with is a config file with this: AddToMenu Module-Popup "Modules" Title + "Button-Bar"Module FvwmButtons + "Clean-Up" Module FvwmClean + "Identify" Module FvwmIdent + "SaveDesktop" Module FvwmSave + "Debug" Module FvwmDebug + "Pager" Module FvwmPager 0 1 + "WinList" Module FvwmWinList + "Background"Module FvwmBacker + "IconBox" Module FvwmIconBox + "Banner"Module FvwmBanner + "Talk" Module FvwmTalk + "Prompt"Module FvwmPrompt "hello" raise Looks like it issued a prompt then executed an Fvwm command. I don't remember FvwmClean either. -- Dan Espen
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Aug 19:56:03 +0100 Thomas Adam scripsit: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 08:43:45PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Aug 19:37:03 +0100 > > 1998 ... could it be that the SuSE Linux of 1995 has it? I remember I used > > fvwm95 around that time. I'll go to archive and check :) > > That's not logical. Fvwm95 was a fork. See though: > > https://www.fvwm.org/fvwm-ml/15306.html > > Which takes us back to 1996... > > -- Thomas > > Yes, memory fades and is not that clear any more as it used to be ... ;) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 08:43:45PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Aug 19:37:03 +0100 > 1998 ... could it be that the SuSE Linux of 1995 has it? I remember I used > fvwm95 around that time. I'll go to archive and check :) That's not logical. Fvwm95 was a fork. See though: https://www.fvwm.org/fvwm-ml/15306.html Which takes us back to 1996... -- Thomas
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Aug 19:37:03 +0100 Thomas Adam scripsit: > Hi, > > I'm curious about a piece of Fvwm history. In the git log for fvwm2, the > initial revision (which is when Jason committed the Fvwm code to CVS), notes > the following for Fvwm 2.0.41: > > Removed FvwmPrompt (use FvwmForm instead, since it's better anyways) > > This was sometime in 1998, although I'm presuming 2.0.41 was before then. > > Has anyone gpt any information about FvwmPrompt? If it were a forerunner to > FvwmForm I've not heard of it before. I note from the old mailing list > archives that it was a compiled module, but I can't find the code anywhere. > > Dust off the cobwebs, folks! > > I'm only asking as I have just committed a new binary to Fvwm3 called > "FvwmPrompt", and hadn't realised it had existed already. I thought I was > being so clever with the choice of name as well... That'll teach me! :) > > -- Thomas > > Just checked: SuSE 1995 has FVWM Version: 1.24r I have SuSE from 1998 and 2000 - but those two are still unopened originals :/ Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...
Re: FVWM: FvwmForm replaces FvwmPrompt (fvwm 2.0.41)
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Aug 19:37:03 +0100 Thomas Adam scripsit: > Hi, > > I'm curious about a piece of Fvwm history. In the git log for fvwm2, the > initial revision (which is when Jason committed the Fvwm code to CVS), notes > the following for Fvwm 2.0.41: > > Removed FvwmPrompt (use FvwmForm instead, since it's better anyways) > > This was sometime in 1998, although I'm presuming 2.0.41 was before then. > > Has anyone gpt any information about FvwmPrompt? If it were a forerunner to > FvwmForm I've not heard of it before. I note from the old mailing list > archives that it was a compiled module, but I can't find the code anywhere. > > Dust off the cobwebs, folks! > > I'm only asking as I have just committed a new binary to Fvwm3 called > "FvwmPrompt", and hadn't realised it had existed already. I thought I was > being so clever with the choice of name as well... That'll teach me! :) > > -- Thomas > > 1998 ... could it be that the SuSE Linux of 1995 has it? I remember I used fvwm95 around that time. I'll go to archive and check :) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...
