Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On 10 Mar 2003 16:30:13 +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > Since the birthday is only two and a half months from now (1st of > June), we really need to start thinking about what we want to > plan. Here is what I suggest: > > 1. IRC chat with the developers. > [no planning required; just announce] > 2. Finally kick off the fvwm logo contest. > [need to agree on the rules soon; the contest shouls be > under way on the 1st of June; need a contest maintainer] > 3. Make a secret 2.4.x demo (possibly 2.4.15 too). > [Who can do that?] > 4. Update the web site for the event, including some historical > information. > [soon] > 5. Announce the event on fvwm-announce and some other places. > [what other places?] > > I can help with (2), (4) and (5) and write down a roadmap, but I'd > be gratefull if someone else volunteered for the web stuff. I can > *not* help with a demo. After some busy months I am slowly returning. I will help with the event organization. I can prepare the web (including a festive design of the home page later and creating birthday/ tree now). You may send me some initial plain texts to start from. I tend to think we don't have enough time for a demo. And 2.4.15 is not good enough for this, all cool features are in 2.5.x only. So probably we should drop this idea or postpone it to 2.6.0. Who else can help with organizing the event? Any artists? I can think about contests for the best titlebar/menu/panel design. The works can be posted on fvwm@fvwm.org and voted by readers. The winner works will be linked from the event page (i.e. birthday/index.html). I think I can prepare birthday/contest.html with initial rules for these contests (including a logo) in about a week. I will gladly receive any help from anybody (Dan). Regards, Mikhael. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote Mikhael Goikhman thusly... > > On 10 Mar 2003 16:30:13 +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > 5. Announce the event on fvwm-announce and some other places. > > [what other places?] How about on "Window managers for X" (xwinman)... http://www.xwinman.org/ ...and perhaps comp.windows.x newsgroup. > Who else can help with organizing the event? Any artists? Let me know if i can help w/ the HTML, _light_ graphics, announcements & such. - parv -- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 05:29:41PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > On 10 Mar 2003 16:30:13 +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > Since the birthday is only two and a half months from now (1st of > > June), we really need to start thinking about what we want to > > plan. Here is what I suggest: > > > > 1. IRC chat with the developers. > > [no planning required; just announce] > > 2. Finally kick off the fvwm logo contest. > > [need to agree on the rules soon; the contest shouls be > > under way on the 1st of June; need a contest maintainer] > > 3. Make a secret 2.4.x demo (possibly 2.4.15 too). > > [Who can do that?] > > 4. Update the web site for the event, including some historical > > information. > > [soon] > > 5. Announce the event on fvwm-announce and some other places. > > [what other places?] > > > > I can help with (2), (4) and (5) and write down a roadmap, but I'd > > be gratefull if someone else volunteered for the web stuff. I can > > *not* help with a demo. > > After some busy months I am slowly returning. I will help with the event > organization. I can prepare the web (including a festive design of the > home page later and creating birthday/ tree now). You may send me some > initial plain texts to start from. > > I tend to think we don't have enough time for a demo. And 2.4.15 is not > good enough for this, all cool features are in 2.5.x only. So probably we > should drop this idea or postpone it to 2.6.0. > > Who else can help with organizing the event? Any artists? > > I can think about contests for the best titlebar/menu/panel design. > The works can be posted on fvwm@fvwm.org and voted by readers. The winner > works will be linked from the event page (i.e. birthday/index.html). > I think I can prepare birthday/contest.html with initial rules for > these contests (including a logo) in about a week. I think I still have a draft of the rules from the last attempt to set up a logo context on my disk at home. I will take a look. > I will gladly receive any help from anybody (Dan). Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
Hi there, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > 3. Make a secret 2.4.x demo (possibly 2.4.15 too). > > > [Who can do that?] ... > > > > I tend to think we don't have enough time for a demo. > > And 2.4.15 is not good enough for this, all cool > > features are in 2.5.x only. So probably we should drop > > this idea or postpone it to 2.6.0. What have you got in mind when saying making a demo? Do you think a (quite large) set of configuration files which provides access to most of the features of fvwm will do it? I am thinking of collecting some window decorations, menu styles, key and mouse binding definitions, pixmaps and so on, to show whats possible with fvwm. The different features of fvwm could be turned on and off via menu entries or FvwmButtons. Of course this is similar to fvwm-theme but it will be within the fvwm-package and could come with it in future. Or did you mean a self-running demo like a movie? To the web site: Does your web server support php? If so I could provide a simple frame-work written in php3, which lets you handle the contents of web sites entirely separated from its layout. You can provide a web site in different layouts and generate different navigation structures. At the moment it is in beta state but can be already used. Regards Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 12:59:04PM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: > Hi there, > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > > 3. Make a secret 2.4.x demo (possibly 2.4.15 too). > > > > [Who can do that?] > ... > > > > > > I tend to think we don't have enough time for a demo. > > > And 2.4.15 is not good enough for this, all cool > > > features are in 2.5.x only. So probably we should drop > > > this idea or postpone it to 2.6.0. > > What have you got in mind when saying making a demo? Do you > think a (quite large) set of configuration files which > provides access to most of the features of fvwm will do it? > I am thinking of collecting some window decorations, menu > styles, key and mouse binding definitions, pixmaps and so > on, to show whats possible with fvwm. The different > features of fvwm could be turned on and off via menu > entries or FvwmButtons. Of course this is similar to > fvwm-theme but it will be within the fvwm-package and could > come with it in future. > > Or did you mean a self-running demo like a movie? We thought about a self-running demo, but that does not exclude showing off fvwm's features. > To the web site: > Does your web server support php? If so I could provide a > simple frame-work written in php3, which lets you handle > the contents of web sites entirely separated from its > layout. You can provide a web site in different layouts and > generate different navigation structures. At the moment > it is in beta state but can be already used. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
Hi there, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > What have you got in mind when saying making a demo? Do > > you think a (quite large) set of configuration files > > which provides access to most of the features of fvwm > > will do it? I am thinking of collecting some window > > decorations, menu styles, key and mouse binding > > definitions, pixmaps and so on, to show whats possible > > with fvwm. The different features of fvwm could be > > turned on and off via menu entries or FvwmButtons. Of > > course this is similar to fvwm-theme but it will be > > within the fvwm-package and could come with it in > > future. > > > > Or did you mean a self-running demo like a movie? > > We thought about a self-running demo, but that does not > exclude showing off fvwm's features. A X-Demo, Flash or something else? Partly interactive? How about using the schedule-feature of 2.5.x to build a demo? Regards Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:26:31PM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: > Hi there, > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > What have you got in mind when saying making a demo? Do > > > you think a (quite large) set of configuration files > > > which provides access to most of the features of fvwm > > > will do it? I am thinking of collecting some window > > > decorations, menu styles, key and mouse binding > > > definitions, pixmaps and so on, to show whats possible > > > with fvwm. The different features of fvwm could be > > > turned on and off via menu entries or FvwmButtons. Of > > > course this is similar to fvwm-theme but it will be > > > within the fvwm-package and could come with it in > > > future. > > > > > > Or did you mean a self-running demo like a movie? > > > > We thought about a self-running demo, but that does not > > exclude showing off fvwm's features. > > A X-Demo, Flash or something else? An fvwm demo. It should run from inside fvwm, requiring as few external programs as possible, especially X applications. > Partly interactive? Your choice. > How about using the schedule-feature of 2.5.x to build a > demo? No opinion. Might work well, but maybe not. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > We thought about a self-running demo, but that does not > > > exclude showing off fvwm's features. > > > > A X-Demo, Flash or something else? > > An fvwm demo. It should run from inside fvwm, requiring as few > external programs as possible, especially X applications. This might be done be done by a file containing fvwm-configuration statements and fvwm-commands or FvwmCommand if I get it to work. Currently it claims: "No such file or directory FvwmCommand error in opening message fifo" > > Partly interactive? > > Your choice. FvwmButtons could be used to select parts of the demo and execute them step by step. > > How about using the schedule-feature of 2.5.x to build a > > demo? > > No opinion. Might work well, but maybe not. Instead of the schedule command one could use constructs like PipeRead 'sleep 1; echo "Popup MAIN_MENU_popup"' to achieve a delay between steps of fvwm commands. Which features should be demonstrated (Moving, Shading, FvwmCascade, Buttons, TaskBar, WindowList, Colorsets, Menus, Functions, ...)? Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
Uwe Pross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > This might be done be done by a file containing > fvwm-configuration statements and fvwm-commands or > FvwmCommand if I get it to work. Currently it claims: > "No such file or directory FvwmCommand error in opening message fifo" You have to start FvwmCommandS before FvwmCommand works. Both comamnds have to be started with $DISPLAY set to the same value. Look in /var/tmp to see the FIFO its looking for. -- Dan Espen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dan Espen wrote: > > FvwmCommand if I get it to work. Currently it claims: > > "No such file or directory FvwmCommand error in opening message fifo" > > You have to start FvwmCommandS before FvwmCommand works. > Both comamnds have to be started with $DISPLAY set to the same > value. > > Look in /var/tmp to see the FIFO its looking for. I did. I had a try last night at home and it works as expected (2.5.2). At work (2.5.3) it does not. I have tried several combinations - setting DISPLAY by hand in fvwm and in the shell which executes FvwmCommand and using the options -S and -f - without success. In /var/tmp there are two files: /var/tmp/FvwmCommand-gruenbube:0.0C /var/tmp/FvwmCommand-gruenbube:0.0M which disapear when I kill FvwmCommandS. DISPLAY is set to "gruenbube:0.0". Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
Uwe Pross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dan Espen wrote: > > > > FvwmCommand if I get it to work. Currently it claims: > > > "No such file or directory FvwmCommand error in opening message fifo" > > > > You have to start FvwmCommandS before FvwmCommand works. > > Both comamnds have to be started with $DISPLAY set to the same > > value. > > > > Look in /var/tmp to see the FIFO its looking for. > > I did. I had a try last night at home and it works as > expected (2.5.2). At work (2.5.3) it does not. I have tried > several combinations - setting DISPLAY by hand in fvwm and > in the shell which executes FvwmCommand and using the > options -S and -f - without success. In /var/tmp there are > two files: >/var/tmp/FvwmCommand-gruenbube:0.0C >/var/tmp/FvwmCommand-gruenbube:0.0M > which disapear when I kill FvwmCommandS. DISPLAY is set to > "gruenbube:0.0". Try :0.0. -- Dan Espen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Dan Espen wrote: > Try :0.0. I got it to work. It was actually my fault, since there are two fvwm version installed on my computer at work. One is a 2.2 version and the other is 2.5.3. I am running fvwm 2.5.3. The FvwmCommand was taken from the 2.2 version and the module FvwmCommandS as it should be form 2.5.3. If I use FvwmCommand from version 2.5.3 it works beautifully. Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 10:42:14AM +0100, fvwm-workers wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 05:29:41PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > > On 10 Mar 2003 16:30:13 +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > > > Since the birthday is only two and a half months from now (1st of > > > June), we really need to start thinking about what we want to > > > plan. Here is what I suggest: > > > > > > 1. IRC chat with the developers. > > > [no planning required; just announce] > > > 2. Finally kick off the fvwm logo contest. > > > [need to agree on the rules soon; the contest shouls be > > > under way on the 1st of June; need a contest maintainer] > > > 3. Make a secret 2.4.x demo (possibly 2.4.15 too). > > > [Who can do that?] > > > 4. Update the web site for the event, including some historical > > > information. > > > [soon] > > > 5. Announce the event on fvwm-announce and some other places. > > > [what other places?] > > > > > > I can help with (2), (4) and (5) and write down a roadmap, but I'd > > > be gratefull if someone else volunteered for the web stuff. I can > > > *not* help with a demo. > > > > After some busy months I am slowly returning. I will help with the event > > organization. I can prepare the web (including a festive design of the > > home page later and creating birthday/ tree now). You may send me some > > initial plain texts to start from. > > > > I tend to think we don't have enough time for a demo. And 2.4.15 is not > > good enough for this, all cool features are in 2.5.x only. So probably we > > should drop this idea or postpone it to 2.6.0. > > > > Who else can help with organizing the event? Any artists? > > > > I can think about contests for the best titlebar/menu/panel design. > > The works can be posted on fvwm@fvwm.org and voted by readers. The winner > > works will be linked from the event page (i.e. birthday/index.html). > > I think I can prepare birthday/contest.html with initial rules for > > these contests (including a logo) in about a week. > > I think I still have a draft of the rules from the last attempt to > set up a logo context on my disk at home. I will take a look. Nope, the draft is gone along with Pat Rogan's contest site and all the mails in the mail archive except one by Mikhael with a broken link to the contest site. :-/ Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 12:15:23AM -0500, parv wrote: > in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote Mikhael > Goikhman thusly... > > > > On 10 Mar 2003 16:30:13 +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > > > 5. Announce the event on fvwm-announce and some other places. > > > [what other places?] > > How about on "Window managers for X" (xwinman)... > > http://www.xwinman.org/ > > > ...and perhaps comp.windows.x newsgroup. > > > > Who else can help with organizing the event? Any artists? > > Let me know if i can help w/ the HTML, _light_ graphics, > announcements & such. Your help is greatly appreciated. The most pressing issue is a new web site. Below are the steps from my draft of the birthday planning document. How much do you think you can tackle? Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the news up to date. Priority: high Responsible: volunteer needed, parv? Status: planning schedule 10-Apr * Write a short announcement message for the 1st of June and discuss it on fvwm-workers. [pending] 15-Apr * Put the announcement on the web page. [pending until 15-Apr] * Put the announcement for the logo competition on the web site. [pending until 15-Apr] * Make a web page for the logo competition. [pending] 25-May * Make a shiny web site for the celebration and post it on fvwm-workers. [pending] * Make a web page with the pictures of the developers. [pending] 30-May * Upload the celebration page. [pending until 30-May] 30-Jun * Remove the celebration page or keep the page but remove references to the birthday event. [pending until 30-Jun] Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] thusly... > > The most pressing issue is a new web site. Do you mean wholly new web site, or will a separate directory for the occasion (either on fvwm.org or under my own personal space somewhere) be enough? >Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep > the news up to date. >Priority: high >Responsible: volunteer needed, parv? Yes. I do. >Status: planning schedule > >10-Apr > * Write a short announcement message for the 1st of June > and discuss it on fvwm-workers. > [pending] Ok, Can do. > >15-Apr > * Put the announcement on the web page. > [pending until 15-Apr] > * Put the announcement for the logo competition on the web site. > [pending until 15-Apr] ok. > * Make a web page for the logo competition. > [pending] I personally prefer little or no doodas on a web page. Check it yourself... http://www103.pair.com/parv/ ..so if anybody else think that my style doesn't/won't fit the celebration, by all means let me know & take over the design at any point. >25-May > * Make a shiny web site for the celebration and post it on > fvwm-workers. > [pending] > * Make a web page with the pictures of the developers. > [pending] See above "I personally...". > >30-May > * Upload the celebration page. > [pending until 30-May] Can do. >30-Jun > * Remove the celebration page or keep the page but remove > references to the birthday event. > [pending until 30-Jun] I think this item would be responsibility of whomever ends up designing/owning the related pages, right? - parv -- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration > and keep the news up to date. >Priority: high >Responsible: volunteer needed, parv? >Status: planning schedule Again, I can offer a set of php-scripts (GPL) which can either run on an apache server with php-modules installed or which can be used to generate a whole html-tree runable on a server without php. The relation among the different pages belonging to a web site is recongnized by the scripts so that changing one page does not mean updating all other pages refering to this site. One can choose different layout and navigation styles. To get an idea what it could look like have look at my homepage (only in german at the moment). In the right upper corner the is a link which toggles between two layout and navigation styles. (Note the two different navigation styles if you move to subpages.) The site is currently set up using style sheets. Since this is not fully supported by netscape 4.x it may look different with this browser. The site should be displayed properly with mozilla, opera, msie :-( and even with netscape 4.7x with JavaScript and Stylesheets turned on (Netscape needs Javascript to display style sheets properly). The usage of style sheets is not mandatory. I used it since it is efficient and easy to use. Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 09:52:15PM -0500, parv wrote: > in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] thusly... > > > > The most pressing issue is a new web site. > > Do you mean wholly new web site, or will a separate directory for > the occasion (either on fvwm.org or under my own personal space > somewhere) be enough? > > > >Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep > > the news up to date. > >Priority: high > >Responsible: volunteer needed, parv? > > Yes. I do. > > > >Status: planning schedule > > > >10-Apr > > * Write a short announcement message for the 1st of June > > and discuss it on fvwm-workers. > > [pending] > > Ok, Can do. Forgot to mention that this is only the announcement message on the (old) web page. > >15-Apr > > * Put the announcement on the web page. > > [pending until 15-Apr] > > * Put the announcement for the logo competition on the web site. > > [pending until 15-Apr] > > ok. > > > * Make a web page for the logo competition. > > [pending] > > I personally prefer little or no doodas on a web page. Check > it yourself... > > http://www103.pair.com/parv/ Sparse decorations are no problem. The result should look more professional than what we have now, and more eye friendly. It must be easy to read and the backgound must give a good contrast to the text. And, of course, it should not insult anybody's aesthetic feeling (green text on red background, or a pink title on grey background as we have now). > ..so if anybody else think that my style doesn't/won't fit the > celebration, by all means let me know & take over the design at any > point. I would like to keep the new design after the birthday. For the birthday it should be a bit mor colourful (with confetti and such ;-) ), but after that the more plain style is better. > >25-May > > * Make a shiny web site for the celebration and post it on > > fvwm-workers. > > [pending] > > * Make a web page with the pictures of the developers. > > [pending] > > See above "I personally...". > > >30-May > > * Upload the celebration page. > > [pending until 30-May] > > Can do. > >30-Jun > > * Remove the celebration page or keep the page but remove > > references to the birthday event. > > [pending until 30-Jun] > > I think this item would be responsibility of whomever ends up > designing/owning the related pages, right? Yes, it's not interesting now. We can think about it later. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 08:47:19AM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration > > and keep the news up to date. > >Priority: high > >Responsible: volunteer needed, parv? > >Status: planning schedule > > Again, I can offer a set of php-scripts (GPL) which can > either run on an apache server with php-modules installed > or which can be used to generate a whole html-tree runable > on a server without php. You have to as Jason what we can do on the web server (I have CC'ed him). See my other mail for more details on what we need. > The relation among the different pages belonging to a web > site is recongnized by the scripts so that changing one > page does not mean updating all other pages refering to > this site. One can choose different layout and navigation > styles. > > To get an idea what it could look like have look at my > homepage (only in german at the moment). In the right upper > corner the is a link which toggles between two layout and > navigation styles. (Note the two different navigation > styles if you move to subpages.) The site is currently set > up using style sheets. Since this is not fully supported by > netscape 4.x it may look different with this browser. The > site should be displayed properly with mozilla, opera, msie > :-( and even with netscape 4.7x with JavaScript and > Stylesheets turned on (Netscape needs Javascript to display > style sheets properly). Looks very good. > The usage of style sheets is not mandatory. I used it since > it is efficient and easy to use. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > You have to as Jason what we can do on the web server (I > have CC'ed him). See my other mail for more details on > what we need. How about if I make suggestion for a layout using the navigation structure from the current web page. I might have time on weekend to do it (or if it not in the beginning of next week). For the first time I could put on my personal webspace. According to your other mail you are quite open regarding to light/dark foreground/background. Or do you have any preferences? How about loading times? Do you want to keep the web page as small as possible? One could do two versions of the layout. One which is simple and small, and one which is more shiny with a lot of pictures but may take a time to load it with a modem. The user could choose which version he wants. Using the php-scripts I mentioned this quite easy to set up. Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:06:14AM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > You have to as Jason what we can do on the web server (I > > have CC'ed him). See my other mail for more details on > > what we need. > > How about if I make suggestion for a layout using the > navigation structure from the current web page. I might > have time on weekend to do it (or if it not in the > beginning of next week). For the first time I could put on > my personal webspace. No objections, but you and parv should tem up and coordinate your efforts. > According to your other mail you are quite open regarding > to light/dark foreground/background. Or do you have any > preferences? No. > How about loading times? Do you want to keep the web page > as small as possible? One could do two versions of the > layout. One which is simple and small, and one which is > more shiny with a lot of pictures but may take a time to > load it with a modem. The user could choose which version > he wants. Using the php-scripts I mentioned this quite easy > to set up. I don't know. The only requirements I have are a) It must be easy on the eye and easy to read. b) It must not annoy anybody (e.g. with strange or too bright colours, bad text/background contrast, small font sizes, requiring large browser windows, etc.) By the way, these are only *my* opinions. All others have the same right to talk about the web site design. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 09:52:15PM -0500, parv wrote: > in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] thusly... > > > > The most pressing issue is a new web site. > > Do you mean wholly new web site, or will a separate directory for > the occasion (either on fvwm.org or under my own personal space > somewhere) be enough? Missed that when first reading it. A wholly new site that is kept in separate directories until the birthday. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
Hi Parv,
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, parv wrote:
> Parv, from fvwm list, here. Please let me know how can i
> help you. What have you have so far, and what needs to be
> done?
It was suggested making a web page in the look of fvwm.
Dominik sayed it would be nice if we could use the a
"FvwmPager"-style navigation and if the web page would be
available in different fvwm-designs used from fvwm-theme. I
like both ideas a lot. The pager navigation might not be
that easy but possible ;-)
Do you know php? It's a simple programming language which
can be embedded in html-code. It makes web design very
powerful since html-code can be generated at request time.
It makes it possible to separate the contents (e.g. text
and pictures) form a web site from its layout. The links to
other pages can be generated as well which allows different
types of navigation structures.
I developed a simple concept which can be used to describe
web page contents and layout (almost) totally separated.
I will describe its workings briefly:
Each (php)page consists two parts. One contains
informations about the page which may be useful to other
pages refering to this page (e.g. title name, link name,
link picture, file name, ...) and its relation to other
pages (parent site, child site). Here is an example usable
for fvwm:
$title = "Fvwm Homepage";
$link_name = "Home";
$link_picture = "";
$parent_site= "top";
$child_sites= array("download","news","faq");
$requested_file = basename($PHP_SELF);
$this_site = fvwm_home
if( strlen("$navigation_check") > 0 ) return;
if( strlen("$site_has_been_loaded") == 0 ) {
$site_has_been_loaded = "true";
include(sec_filename("$layout_file"));
exit();
}
This "Header" is common to all pages belonging to a web
site. Below this header the contents of this page follow
which can be html or/and php.
After all pages are described in this way. A php-script
called navgen.php is executed. It collects all
header-information from all php-files it founds and
performs simple checks to ensure consistence of the
navigation structure. This scripts generates a file which
contains array assignments like:
$top_array = array("download", "news", "faq" );
$fvwm_home["file"] =
"/afs/tu-chemnitz.de/home/urz/u/uwp/public_html/fvwm_home.php";
$fvwm_home["url"] = "/~uwp/fvwm_home.php";
$fvwm_home["link_name"]= "Home";
$fvwm_home["link_chapter"] = "";
$fvwm_home["link_pic"] = "";
$fvwm_home["parent_site"] = "top";
$fvwm_home["child_sites"] = array("download", "news", "faq");
...
Note: Not all information in the header need to be exported
to the arrays and not all information exported need to be
defined in every header. The script needs to be ran only
once when something on the navigation structure was changed
e.g. web page was added, removed or renamed. When the script
reads the header information a variable "$navigation_check"
is set which causes to exit the the php-web-page at the
following line:
if( strlen("$navigation_check") > 0 ) return;
A the time of a page request (the page is displayed by
web-browser) this variable is not set so the page is
processed further where it includes a layout file. This
layout file defines a set of layout functions and uses them
to display the contents of the page. The layout file uses
the arrays generated by navgen.php to generate the
navigation part of the web page. From the layout file the
page is include again to get its real contents.
I have written a couple of php-functions which convert
the array-structure to a html-navigation. This functions
may be (re)used for the fvwm project.
I know this sounds a little bit confusing. I packed to
php-files of my web-page in a single archiv so that you can
download it:
http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/download/navgen.tar.gz
Okay so far, what can we do next? I have downloaded all
html-files form fvwm.org and packed them in a tar archive:
http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/download/fvwm_14032003.tar.gz
This html-files can be used to write/generate the
php-files. All we need to do is add the header to this
pages and adapt them according to the fvwm site structure.
We may need to add some header information to get the
"navigation pager" work. But this can be done later. After
this we can run navgen.php and use one of the existing
layout files to display the pages.
After this we need to create a new layout file in fvwm
style and maybe redesign some of the existing fvwm pages.
For the fvwm-project I would like to put more php-functions
in the layout file which maybe used in the web page files
to insert some layout properties.
We need probably a CVS repository to keep our files
consistent. I will ask fvwm-workers for this.
Please let me know what do you think.
Uwe
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