Re: [fw-general] dojo.data component

2008-07-04 Thread Stefan Sturm
Hello,

 Greets, all --

 I've committed the complete Zend_Dojo_Data implementation to the
 incubator this morning; documentation will follow within the next day.
 In the meantime, if any of you want to play with it, check out the unit
 tests, and give me feedback on the lists.

 Enjoy!


I would like to test the Dojo Stuff.
Where can I checkout the correct version and where can I find the dokumentation?

Thanks for your Help,
Stefan Sturm


Re: [fw-general] Multicheckbox and setAttrib - for every checkbox

2008-07-04 Thread robsg

OK. Simple is the best:-)

I make without zend form
...
while (ocifetchinto($stmt,$row, OCI_ASSOC)) {
$co++;

$name[$co] = $row['EQTTEXT'];
$price[$co] = $row['ADDPRICE1'];

   
}
...

foreach ($name as $st1=$na)
{
foreach ($price as $st2=$pri)
{
if ($st1==$st2) {   
echo trtdinput type=\checkbox\ 
onchange=\checkPrice($tprice);\
name=\test[]\ id=\test$st1\ value=\$pri\ $na /td/tr;
   }
   }
 }
.

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[fw-general] Re: [fw-mvc] Re: [fw-general] dojo.data component

2008-07-04 Thread Fabrice Terrasson
Stefan Sturm a écrit :
 Hello,

 ...
 I would like to test the Dojo Stuff.
 Where can I checkout the correct version and where can I find the 
 dokumentation?

 Thanks for your Help,
 Stefan Sturm

   
Hallo,

svn co http://framework.zend.com/svn/framework/standard/incubator/

Dojo helpers are in:
library/Zend/Dojo

The tests:
tests/Zend/Dojo/DataTest.php

The docs (compiled):
documentation/manual/en/html/zend.dojo.data.html

FT


[fw-general] select ... from ... where ... in

2008-07-04 Thread Dan Field
Anybody know how I might use the 'in' syntax from MySQL to produce the  
following nested query using Zend_Db ?


select
d_articleid, d_divid, d_pageid
from
wjo_div
where
d_articleid in (
select
a_articleID
from
wjo_article
where
a_articlecode like '%001' and
a_publicationID = 037
)
order by
d_pageid;


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Re: [fw-general] Zend DB - Oracle - charset

2008-07-04 Thread Arian.Maykon

I dunno if there was something on svn, but isn't on the download file of the
Zend Framework.
I've extended the adapter for this.

Paul Simon-2 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to set charset during oci_connect using Zend DB? For now I
 just added the parameter directly in Zend_Db_Adapter_Oracle.
 
 Paul
 
 
 

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Re: [fw-general] select ... from ... where ... in

2008-07-04 Thread Bill Karwin



Dan Field wrote:
 
 Anybody know how I might use the 'in' syntax from MySQL to produce the  
 following nested query using Zend_Db ?
 
  select
  d_articleid, d_divid, d_pageid
  from
  wjo_div
  where
  d_articleid in (
  select
  a_articleID
  from
  wjo_article
  where
  a_articlecode like '%001' and
  a_publicationID = 037
  )
  order by
  d_pageid;
 

You don't need to use the IN predicate.  You can do the query with a JOIN.

$select = $db-select()-distinct()
  -from(array('d'='wjo_div'), array('d_articleid', 'd_divid', 'd_pageid'))
  -join(array('a'='wjo_article'), a.a_articleID = d.d_articleid,
array())
  -where(a.a_articlecode LIKE '%001')
  -where(a.a_publicationID = 037)
  -order(d.d_pageid);
$result = $db-fetchAll($select);

Regards,
Bill Karwin
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Re: [fw-general] Setting up controllers for common vars etc

2008-07-04 Thread AJ McKee
Hi Matthew  Carlton,

Thanks for the suggestions. I decided in the end to use an action
helper and preDispatch to do this. So here is my current idea on it.
So far so good it seems to work;

1. Create and action helper
?php
class My_Controllers_Helpers_ActionSetup extends extends
Zend_Controller_Action_Helper_Abstract
{
public function preDispatch()
{
$this-_actionController-_MyCoolAppsRegistry =
Zend_Registry::getInstance();
}
}

2. Register the helper in my bootstrap
// N.B. This class is stored in /library/My/Controllers/Helpers/ActionSetup.php
Zend_Controller_Action_HelperBroker::addHelper(new
My_Controllers_Helpers_ActionSetup());

3. Use it in a Controller
As I am using preDispatch, its run before my controller action is
setup, therefore the vars should be already registered and setup for
me

class IndexController extends Zend_Controller_Action
{
public function indexAction()
{

Zend_Debug::dump($this-_MyCoolAppsRegistry);
}
}

Done. I think

If you get a chance you may like to let me know if I got that all
sorted out correctly.

Cheers
AJ
.



On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -- AJ McKee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
 (on Thursday, 03 July 2008, 12:51 PM +0100):
 Please excuse my ignorance here.

 I have several Controllers that all do various things. However there
 are common things I wish them all to do. Mostly just set up vars for
 ease of use. Eample

 protected $_myRegistry = null;
 protected $_myDebug = false;

 public function init()
 {
 $this-_myRegistry = $this-_registry = Zend_Registry::getInstance();
 %this-_myDebug = $this-_myRegistry-get('debug');
 }

 I am trying to apply the principle of DRY here, because as the
 application grows, I am repeating myself more and more.

 I created an action plugin thinking I was on the right track, however
 I discovered I was not. Basically, I want all this stuff setup before
 my controller is called, but have it available to my controller in a
 manner similar to $this-_myRegistry. Or would I best be doing this in
 an action helper?

 Action Helper is the way to go here. An action helper has introspection
 into the action controller, and its primary purpose is to push all those
 bits of code you need to re-use to a common place so that they can be
 used on-demand by any controller.

 Additionally, you can have action helpers listen on controller
 intialization and pre/postDispatch() events; this can be useful for
 injecting variables into your action controllers. The variables will
 need to be public, obviously, but there are very few cases where this
 should be an issue.

 Does anyone have any pointers to me about how I would accomplish this,
 if its possible.

 I've written a tutorial on action helpers on DevZone:

http://devzone.zend.com/article/3350-Action-Helpers-in-Zend-Framework

 that should serve as a good starting point.

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RE: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals?

2008-07-04 Thread Wil Sinclair
We have talked about list reorganization in the past. One thing that I 
discovered is that it would require much more discussion than I had originally 
thought. I have kept it on my todo list with relatively low priority, but if 
people think it would improve communication that much I can reprioritize it. In 
any case, don't expect too much activity on this front until after 1.6 RC1. ;)
One thing that we can do more immediately and that we've thought might really 
accelerate decisions and bring our contributing community closer together is an 
IRC channel. #zftalk is great, but there is a *lot* of end user support there, 
as well. How much interest is there in a contributors' IRC channel? This is 
something that's so easy to set up we might be able to have it in place for RC1 
and the rest of the release rollout.

,Wil 

 -Original Message-
 From: Christoph Dorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:38 AM
 To: Laurent Melmoux
 Cc: Pádraic Brady; Wil Sinclair; Zend Framework General
 Subject: Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool
 proposals?
 
  I'm finding harder to follow the ZF development specific post in the
  general mailing list because it got busier with end-support. In the
  other hand the others mailing lists are almost not used and forwarded
 to
  fw-general most of the time.
 
  I feel like 2 mailing list will be enough :
  * fw-general for end-users
  * fw-dev for ZF development.
 
 I agree. Two lists, one for end-user support/general questions and one
 specifically for ZF developers (contributors  people interested in the
 direction of ZF) would be better until there is enough activity to
 warrant splitting them up further.
 
 Christoph
 



Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals?

2008-07-04 Thread Christoph Dorn
I am all for an IRC channel although I am not always online which may
make it less beneficial than a dev mailing list for me.

Christoph




Wil Sinclair wrote:
 We have talked about list reorganization in the past. One thing that I 
 discovered is that it would require much more discussion than I had 
 originally thought. I have kept it on my todo list with relatively low 
 priority, but if people think it would improve communication that much I can 
 reprioritize it. In any case, don't expect too much activity on this front 
 until after 1.6 RC1. ;)
 One thing that we can do more immediately and that we've thought might really 
 accelerate decisions and bring our contributing community closer together is 
 an IRC channel. #zftalk is great, but there is a *lot* of end user support 
 there, as well. How much interest is there in a contributors' IRC channel? 
 This is something that's so easy to set up we might be able to have it in 
 place for RC1 and the rest of the release rollout.
 
 ,Wil 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Christoph Dorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:38 AM
 To: Laurent Melmoux
 Cc: Pádraic Brady; Wil Sinclair; Zend Framework General
 Subject: Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool
 proposals?

 I'm finding harder to follow the ZF development specific post in the
 general mailing list because it got busier with end-support. In the
 other hand the others mailing lists are almost not used and forwarded
 to
 fw-general most of the time.

 I feel like 2 mailing list will be enough :
 * fw-general for end-users
 * fw-dev for ZF development.
 I agree. Two lists, one for end-user support/general questions and one
 specifically for ZF developers (contributors  people interested in the
 direction of ZF) would be better until there is enough activity to
 warrant splitting them up further.

 Christoph

 
 



[fw-general] errorcontroller

2008-07-04 Thread darren
I am trying to follow the errorcontroller plugin online help.  I have
created the controller and the view according to the online docs.  Is
there anything else I have to do?  If I wrap $front-dispatch() in a
try catch block, I can catch errors.  But, I thought the
errorController.php was automatically present.

TIA,
Darren


Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals?

2008-07-04 Thread Christoph Dorn
 However, we'll have the problem of keeping the channel on topic and not
 simply achieve the effect of moving customer support over to that new
 channel.

We can religiously direct people to #zftalk :)

How about #zfdev ?

The channel will need a good set of ZF developers (including zend staff)
to be effective. It needs to be promoted to all proposal authors at the
very least.

Christoph




Re: [fw-general] errorcontroller

2008-07-04 Thread Martin Martinov
2008/7/4 darren [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I am trying to follow the errorcontroller plugin online help.  I have
 created the controller and the view according to the online docs.  Is
 there anything else I have to do?  If I wrap $front-dispatch() in a
 try catch block, I can catch errors.  But, I thought the
 errorController.php was automatically present.

 TIA,
 Darren


Do you have $front-throwExceptions(true) somewhere in your bootsrap?
If so comment it out and it should work.

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RE: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals?

2008-07-04 Thread Wil Sinclair
This is precisely what I was typing up when your mail hit my inbox. :D
I like #zfdev.
We can make it clear on the framework.zend.com- and maybe the #zftalk-
site what the topics are for #zftalk and #zfdev.
We already have a password-protected channel for the team. :o It's not
that we want to exclude anyone, it's simply because the team often works
on things that Zend is keeping hush-hush for whatever reason. Usually
this involves unannounced partners- like the Dojo Foundation. There has
been interest on the team for a general dev channel that we could
include the contributor community in; my take on it is that's fine as
long as they can keep track of which is which. :)
Does anyone from the community want to take this on? I generally prefer
that the community take on stuff that's communication related because it
decentralizes ZF somewhat and encourages more channels of communication
than we can reasonably maintain ourselves.
Perhaps Geoffrey Tran would be interested, since I believe he already
maintains the #zftalk channel and zftalk.com website, and there
certainly is a lot of potential for reuse of resources there.
Also, there has been some resistance to logging on the #zftalk channel.
Considering what often is said there, I hardly blame them. ;) If we can
stay more on-topic for the contributor channel, would there be any
objection to logging and making the logs available on the web?

,Wil

  However, we'll have the problem of keeping the channel on topic and
 not
  simply achieve the effect of moving customer support over to that
new
  channel.
 
 We can religiously direct people to #zftalk :)
 
 How about #zfdev ?
 
 The channel will need a good set of ZF developers (including zend
 staff)
 to be effective. It needs to be promoted to all proposal authors at
the
 very least.
 
 Christoph
 



Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals?

2008-07-04 Thread till
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Christoph Dorn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am all for an IRC channel although I am not always online which may
 make it less beneficial than a dev mailing list for me.

There are a couple services that log irc channels and provide a
searchable frontend. I don't remember the names as of now, but there
are some. IMHO, that would provide extra value.

I don't really care IRC vs. mailinglist. Email is just easier since I
use it anyway on a day to day basis, IRC is more a thing, I have to
log myself in and read backlog/current discussions to follow.

Till


[fw-general] IRC

2008-07-04 Thread Wil Sinclair
I think it would be up to the users to make sure nothing important is said on 
the IRC channel alone- especially if it's significant to the wider community.

,Wil

 -Original Message-
 From: till [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:34 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Wil Sinclair; Laurent Melmoux; Pádraic Brady; Zend Framework
 General
 Subject: Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool
 proposals?
 
 On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Christoph Dorn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am all for an IRC channel although I am not always online which may
  make it less beneficial than a dev mailing list for me.
 
 There are a couple services that log irc channels and provide a
 searchable frontend. I don't remember the names as of now, but there
 are some. IMHO, that would provide extra value.
 
 I don't really care IRC vs. mailinglist. Email is just easier since I
 use it anyway on a day to day basis, IRC is more a thing, I have to
 log myself in and read backlog/current discussions to follow.
 
 Till


[fw-general] Arguments for the Zend Framework

2008-07-04 Thread Admin Xife
Hi everybody!

I am collecting arguments for the Zend Framework to present it to my bosses
and i thought it would be helpful for others searching for the right
application framework.
I found some very useful slides and sites yet:
*
http://www.slideshare.net/zend/san-francisco-php-meetup-presentation-on-zend-framework
* http://www.slideshare.net/luckec/zend-framework/
* http://framework.zend.com/whyzf/

What i am searching for now, are some facts and/or studies concerning how
unit tests, good documentation, an open-source community, etc. increases the
quality of code/application itself, the productivity, the speed of
development and how it lowers the time for a new developer to get
up-to-speed quickly.

The reason why i am searching especially for this facts is the condition of
our self-made framework. Some facts:
The framework has a component-based like architecture, but it has no MVC
approach. It was designed about 6 years ago - which is not a bad point - but
somehow most of the new developments out there are missing or they were
implemented without refactoring some parts. Refactoring itself never
happened. There are no Unit Tests and there is no useful documentation - in
fact there is NO documentation or API reference available!! - I think that`s
the main problem. I also see a big problem when it comes to develop a new
application and new developers begin to work.
When you get how the framework works, after much reverse engineering, it has
also some very useful techniques and advantages for developers.

Our web-application which is build upon this framework, is kind of stable
and most of its users are satisified. But I think that the productivity with
the zend framework would be better, it is more future-proof than our
current framework and the quality would be higher than now - This is what i
want to emphasize with some facts.


I hope you could follow me and someone out there could help me finding some
facts (and others searching for this kind of information / facts etc...)

Thanks


Re: [fw-general] Re: IRC

2008-07-04 Thread Cristian Bichis
There is a ZF channel by one year for now i think, try #zftalk on 
freenode... Or www.zftalk.com


Many interesting people online on the channel (even guys from zf dev 
team)... Many problems solved, many ideas discussed, aso...


Cristian

IRC is great for support, brainstorming and refining ideas with people
currently online. If you are offline - tough luck. It can be logged,
sure, but if you want to pick up a topic later there is no easy way to
provide context for your questions. A mailing list is much better for
that as it allows people in different timezones and with different work
habits to participate effectively.

#zfdev will be a great start, but I think a dev mailing list is
important in the short run as well.

Christoph



Wil Sinclair wrote:
  

I think it would be up to the users to make sure nothing important is said on 
the IRC channel alone- especially if it's significant to the wider community.

,Wil



-Original Message-
From: till [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Wil Sinclair; Laurent Melmoux; Pádraic Brady; Zend Framework
General
Subject: Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool
proposals?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Christoph Dorn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I am all for an IRC channel although I am not always online which may
make it less beneficial than a dev mailing list for me.


There are a couple services that log irc channels and provide a
searchable frontend. I don't remember the names as of now, but there
are some. IMHO, that would provide extra value.

I don't really care IRC vs. mailinglist. Email is just easier since I
use it anyway on a day to day basis, IRC is more a thing, I have to
log myself in and read backlog/current discussions to follow.

Till
  



  




Re: [fw-general] Zend_Form Decorator

2008-07-04 Thread chinaski


chinaski wrote:
 
 I need some help with form decorator. I need help decorating a radio
 group. Here is the group as defined in the init() method of my form
 subclass:
 
 Appreciate help on setting the decorators for this element.
 
 Chinaski
 
 
 
I came up with a working solution, but it seems like an awful lot of work to
get some html set up. I did a custom decorator for this particular
situation, which looks like this.

class My_Form_Decorator_UserActiveRadio extends Zend_Form_Decorator_Abstract
{
   public function render($content)
   {
  $element = $this-getElement();
  if (!$element instanceof Zend_Form_Element_Multi) {
 return $content;
  }
  if (null === ($view = $element-getView())) {
 return $content;
  }

  $translator = $element-getTranslator();

  $html = '';
  $radio_selected_value = $element-getValue();

  $base_name = $element-getName();

  $html .= PHP_EOL . 'fieldset class=checks';
  if ($element-isRequired()) {
 $html .= PHP_EOL . 'h5' . $element-getLabel() .
'emrequired/em/h5';
  }
  $html .= PHP_EOL . 'ul';
  $tmp = 0;
  foreach ($element-getMultiOptions() as $radio_value) {
 $tmp ++;
 $radio_id = $base_name . $tmp;
 $attribs = array('id'=$radio_id);
 $options = array($values);

 $html .= PHP_EOL . 'li' . PHP_EOL . 'input type=radio name='
. $base_name . ' id='
. $radio_id . ' value=' . $radio_value . ' '
. $this-is_checked($radio_value,$radio_selected_value) .  ' /'
. PHP_EOL . 'label for=' . $radio_id . '' . $radio_value .
'/label' . PHP_EOL . '/li';
  }
  $html .= PHP_EOL . '/ul' . PHP_EOL . '/fieldset!--checks--';
  return $html;
   }

   private function is_checked($option, $value)
   {
  if($option == $value) {
 return 'checked';
  }
   }
}

Setting this decorator on the element yields the proper html.

If someone who is adept with the decorator stack can illustrate an easier
way to accomplish the same thing, it would be appreciated.

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Re: [fw-general] Using ZF in Non-MVC Setup

2008-07-04 Thread Nick Lo
Currently we use Adobe Contribute for the users to edit pages, so  
that's why
MVC doesn't work. Since we just purchased a few more copies of  
Contribute,

we won't be going to a full blown Web based CMS. So I'm charged with
building a new framework that works with Contribute and integrate it  
with

some of our other systems. It's looking like I can glue some things
together, which is what I'm looking for. At the moment I don't have  
any more

specific questions but sure will later. Thanks


I may have the pleasure of incorporating Contribute into a workflow  
at some point so I'd been checking out some of the possibilities.  
Here's an article you may or may not have looked at that could be  
useful:


Maintaining Database Content with PHP (or ColdFusion), Contribute 3,  
and Dreamweaver MX 2004


http://www.adobe.com/devnet/contribute/articles/contribute_php.html

Contribute supports the blog API's so you could also consider using  
Zend_Xml_Rpc with it. I started working on this but found Contribute  
horrible to debug so used Ecto instead ( http://infinite-sushi.com/software/ecto/ 
 ).


Nick


Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals?

2008-07-04 Thread Nick Lo

I’m finding harder to follow the ZF development specific post in the
general mailing list because it got busier with end-support. In the
other hand the others mailing lists are almost not used and  
forwarded to

fw-general most of the time.

I feel like 2 mailing list will be enough :
* fw-general for end-users
* fw-dev for ZF development.


I agree. Two lists, one for end-user support/general questions and one
specifically for ZF developers (contributors  people interested in  
the

direction of ZF) would be better until there is enough activity to
warrant splitting them up further.

Christoph


+1 on this from me.

I subscribe to the Django mailing lists which are setup this way and I  
thought the same thing when I realised I was finding them easier to  
follow, even without being a Django developer. In the early days of ZF  
the split of mailing lists around components was fine as they were  
almost all development based discussions. Now there is such a mix of  
how-to questions with development discussions that it's quite a trudge  
to keep up with the latter.


As newer components like Zend_Form came out things got messier as  
development and how-to questions were scattered across fw-general AND  
fw-mvc (on that note: I was impressed with how well Matthew kept up  
with them in that regard!). The discussions about Zend_Tool are  
another example of how this problem can only increase.


Nick

Re: [fw-general] Re: IRC

2008-07-04 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Cristian Bichis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
(on Saturday, 05 July 2008, 12:43 AM +0300):
 There is a ZF channel by one year for now i think, try #zftalk on freenode...
 Or www.zftalk.com
 
 Many interesting people online on the channel (even guys from zf dev team)...
 Many problems solved, many ideas discussed, aso...

The suggestion is to have a separate developer/contributor channel in
addition to #zftalk in order to separate user/support talk from
component development talk.

I'm of mixed minds on this. I typically find myself turning off IRC or
only logging into channels with very low activity when I'm heads-down in
development or planning -- which is a good 50-75% of my time. Mailing
lists make it easier to read through and respond to conversations while
retaining context. However, at the same time, synchronous communication
such as IRC can be invaluable for working through design issues during
development.

 IRC is great for support, brainstorming and refining ideas with people
 currently online. If you are offline - tough luck. It can be logged,
 sure, but if you want to pick up a topic later there is no easy way to
 provide context for your questions. A mailing list is much better for
 that as it allows people in different timezones and with different work
 habits to participate effectively.
 
 #zfdev will be a great start, but I think a dev mailing list is
 important in the short run as well.
 
 Christoph
 
 
 
 Wil Sinclair wrote:
 
 
 I think it would be up to the users to make sure nothing important is 
 said on the IRC channel alone- especially if it's significant to the wider 
 community.
 
 ,Wil
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: till [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:34 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Wil Sinclair; Laurent Melmoux; Pádraic Brady; Zend Framework
 General
 Subject: Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool
 proposals?
 
 On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Christoph Dorn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 I am all for an IRC channel although I am not always online 
 which may
 make it less beneficial than a dev mailing list for me.
 
 
 
 There are a couple services that log irc channels and provide a
 searchable frontend. I don't remember the names as of now, but 
 there
 are some. IMHO, that would provide extra value.
 
 I don't really care IRC vs. mailinglist. Email is just easier 
 since I
 use it anyway on a day to day basis, IRC is more a thing, I have 
 to
 log myself in and read backlog/current discussions to follow.
 
 Till
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Software Architect   | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zend Framework   | http://framework.zend.com/