Re: Firewire issues (TiBook)

[Jim Eddy]

On 7/3/02 11:33 PM, "Michael Bryan Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>> Well, the biggest thing you can do is check your cable. A lot of devices
>>> ship with el cheapo cables which go bad after awhile. If you have another
>>> comp to try the device on, that'll let you know.
>>> 
>>> It's a pretty expensive fix without applecare, requiring a motherboard
>>> replacement.
>> 
>> Apple's portable repairs are done "flat rate" these days. It doesn't
>> matter what they have to replace, it's all done for the same price.
> 
> Can you please expound on this? I know they have a flat fee for sending it
> in and having it looked at, and for minor repairs.
> 
> What you're saying though is that they charge you a flat fee if your machine
> is out of warranty to repair and you don't have applecare- ie, if your CD
> drive dies it will cost the same as if you have stabbed a pencil through
> your LCD screen or have to have your logic board replaced, which doesn't add
> up with what they've told me.
> 
> I know a blown firewire port requires a logic board replacement, which is
> expensive.

I took a "bronze" powerbook in to my local Apple Service to cure a failure
to see a working hard disk. They ended sending it off to Apple. For a flat
rate they:

1) Replaced the motherboard for a boot problem
2) Replaced the hinges
3) Replaced the CD-ROM (I didn't ask for this)
4) Replaced the sound card (power port--didn't request this either)
5) Replaced the top deck for some reason.
6) New feet on the bottom.

I thought that was pretty good.
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Re: OS X nested Preference problems

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 08/07/02 16:33, "Peter Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had a couple of problems at first with double
> clicking on files not properly launching applications.
> That seemed to have fixed itself.
> To answer your question about the Preference Panes,
> their "kind" is listed as "Package".
> The different panes have odd Version numbers... some
> have numbered versions, others are just their
> preference pane names(?).
> I'm quite baffled by the whole thing really. More of
> that OS X learning curve, I guess.
> 
> Thanks for the quick response too. =)
> 
> On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 12:12 PM, (G-Books) wrote:
> 
> None that I'm aware of. Your problem sounds strange.
> I've never heard of
> such problem. I would imagine that somehow the
> preference panes file types
> have been somehow corrupted. Preference panes appear
> as "System Preferences"
> documents. Somehow, they're not seen anymore by the
> system as being those
> documents. If you do an "Info" on a preference pane in
> /System/Library/PreferencePanes, does the system
> report them as "Mac OS X
> Preference Pane"?

Well, that could well be your problem. On my Pismo, they all show up as "Mac
OS X Preference Pane". You could try to change their type by choosing "Open
with application..." in the info window. From there, you should try to
locate "System Preferences 2.0". At least, that's what is listed when I
choose "Open with application..." with one of those file. Note that you can
run into permission problems since /System/Library/PreferencePanes is
protected for writing usually. Only root can modify that directory.

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Re: "virii" (OT)

[Eugene Lee]

"viruses" vs. "virii"...  What's the point of proper spelling since
we're talking about the English language?  It seems so oxymoronic.


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Re: "virii" (OT)

[Jonathan Gordon]

FYIthis comes straight from McAfee's Virus Glossary.


· Virus (plural viruses): A program that is capable of replicating with 
little or no user intervention, and the replicated program(s) also replicate 
further.

http://www.mcafeeb2b.com/naicommon/avert/avert-research-center/virus-glossary.asp

Personally I have heard people in the industry use both the Virii and the 
viruses plurals.



> > I talked to my friend at Symantec about this a few months back.  
>Everyone
> > calls it Virii.  Pronounced "Vye-Rye."
>
>You have friends in the know in every field don't you Kyle?
>
>Walt
>
>


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Re: OS X nested Preference problems

[Peter Johnson]

I had a couple of problems at first with double
clicking on files not properly launching applications.
That seemed to have fixed itself.
To answer your question about the Preference Panes,
their "kind" is listed as "Package".
The different panes have odd Version numbers... some
have numbered versions, others are just their
preference pane names(?).
I'm quite baffled by the whole thing really. More of
that OS X learning curve, I guess.

Thanks for the quick response too. =)

On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 12:12 PM, (G-Books) wrote:

None that I'm aware of. Your problem sounds strange.
I've never heard of
such problem. I would imagine that somehow the
preference panes file types
have been somehow corrupted. Preference panes appear
as "System Preferences"
documents. Somehow, they're not seen anymore by the
system as being those
documents. If you do an "Info" on a preference pane in
/System/Library/PreferencePanes, does the system
report them as "Mac OS X
Preference Pane"?

-Laurent.


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Re: OS X nested Preference problems

[John Haumann]

Has anyone else tried running the "repair permissions" script more than 
once?  When I ran it the second time, I figured that no new changes 
would have been made, but I figured wrong.  One day had elapsed between 
the two.  When I ran it a third time (a day later) more changes were 
reflected in the log.  The first run reflected quite a few changes (the 
log file was over 160 KB) while the subsequent runs were much smaller.





On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 01:17 PM, Michael Bryan Bell wrote:

> Try running this and see if it doesn't help:
>
> 
>
> It's a script released by apple to help fix some of the permissions
> wonkiness going on.


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Re: "virii" (OT)

[Kyle Hansen]

Walter R Basil wrote:

> On 7/8/02 8:12 PM, Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I talked to my friend at Symantec about this a few months back.  Everyone
> > calls it Virii.  Pronounced "Vye-Rye."
>
> You have friends in the know in every field don't you Kyle?

I used to work at Apple and I am an independent Mac Tech Living in the Bay
Area.  It's not hard to get to know people here.  ;-)

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Re: OS X nested Preference problems

[Michael Bryan Bell]

> This is a smidge off topic, but I'm having the problem
> on a Pismo 400 so maybe one of you folks can help me.
> 
> I recently re-partitioned and re-installed OS X on my
> laptop. I started from 10.0.3, upgraded to 10.1 then
> did the slew of OS and security updates to get it
> fully up to date. Reinstalled my various software
> packages... etc... then I noticed something
> peculiar...
> From the Apple

It sounds like a permissions issue- this was happening to a lot of people
who were upgrading to 10.1 and still can happen due to certain installers.

Try running this and see if it doesn't help:



It's a script released by apple to help fix some of the permissions
wonkiness going on.

The only other thing I can think of is an oddity in OSX that sometimes
doesn't want to let certain applications run on anything but the boot drive.
When you partitioned, did you move your /user folder around at all?



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Re: "virii" (OT)

[Walter R Basil]

On 7/8/02 8:12 PM, Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I love McAfee.  I am just going on what I know.  I used to work for Apple.

Ah yes, you told us this before. The 8500 right?

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Re: "virii" (OT)

[Walter R Basil]

On 7/8/02 8:12 PM, Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I talked to my friend at Symantec about this a few months back.  Everyone
> calls it Virii.  Pronounced "Vye-Rye."

You have friends in the know in every field don't you Kyle?

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Re: "virii" (OT)

[Michael Bryan Bell]

> Actually, I never meant to dismiss your point. It's just that there are
> standards and there are habits and sometimes it takes very long for the
> first to overcome the latter if ever (Just have a look as the use of SI
> units).

Or, taken another way- the habits often end up becoming the standards.

Webster's isn't a static thing. :)



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List Nanny MIA for a Bit

[Jeremy Derr]

Hey All,

I just thought I'd give you all an FYI in that I will be MIA off-and-on 
for the next few weeks as I arrange an intrastate move to Houston. At the 
end of this week, I will be switching to Digest Mode and only checking my 
email once every few days (at most).

Laurent is, as always, the other List Nanny. Feel free to continue 
contacting either of us while I'm away, but keep in mind that it may take 
a few days for me to respond. I will be returning to my regularly 
scheduled programming on or around Labor Day (for non-North Americans, 
that's September 2 here).

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Re: OS X nested Preference problems

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 08/07/02 10:38, "Peter Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is a smidge off topic, but I'm having the problem
> on a Pismo 400 so maybe one of you folks can help me.
> 
> I recently re-partitioned and re-installed OS X on my
> laptop. I started from 10.0.3, upgraded to 10.1 then
> did the slew of OS and security updates to get it
> fully up to date. Reinstalled my various software
> packages... etc... then I noticed something
> peculiar...
> From the Apple Menu I am no longer able to launch the
> dock or network preferences from their nested
> locations in the dock and location sub menus,
> respectively.
> The System Preferences option under the Apple Menu
> works fine though. I also noticed that this inability
> to be launched also affected the "Displays" menu bar
> icon, I'm no longer able to launch the associated
> preference pane from it. All of the other controls and
> whatnot work just fine, I just can't get into their
> System Preferences without manually opening them.
> 
> I ran the usual litany of utilities, the latest
> versions of Norton, DiskWarrior, TechTool, etc...
> booted into single user mode and ran fsck, nothing out
> of the ordinary and no fix to the problem. On a whim,
> I tried out the haxie Fruit Menu, but that didn't
> restore functionality either.
> 
> Is there some sort of file or preference that controls
> the apple and display menus?

None that I'm aware of. Your problem sounds strange. I've never heard of
such problem. I would imagine that somehow the preference panes file types
have been somehow corrupted. Preference panes appear as "System Preferences"
documents. Somehow, they're not seen anymore by the system as being those
documents. If you do an "Info" on a preference pane in
/System/Library/PreferencePanes, does the system report them as "Mac OS X
Preference Pane"?

-Laurent.
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OS X nested Preference problems

[Peter Johnson]

This is a smidge off topic, but I'm having the problem
on a Pismo 400 so maybe one of you folks can help me.

I recently re-partitioned and re-installed OS X on my
laptop. I started from 10.0.3, upgraded to 10.1 then
did the slew of OS and security updates to get it
fully up to date. Reinstalled my various software
packages... etc... then I noticed something
peculiar...
>From the Apple Menu I am no longer able to launch the
dock or network preferences from their nested
locations in the dock and location sub menus,
respectively.
The System Preferences option under the Apple Menu
works fine though. I also noticed that this inability
to be launched also affected the "Displays" menu bar
icon, I'm no longer able to launch the associated
preference pane from it. All of the other controls and
whatnot work just fine, I just can't get into their
System Preferences without manually opening them.

I ran the usual litany of utilities, the latest
versions of Norton, DiskWarrior, TechTool, etc...
booted into single user mode and ran fsck, nothing out
of the ordinary and no fix to the problem. On a whim,
I tried out the haxie Fruit Menu, but that didn't
restore functionality either.

Is there some sort of file or preference that controls
the apple and display menus? 

thanks in advance for any help. =)

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Re: "virii" (OT)

[R. Hannes Niedner]

Kyle,

Actually, I never meant to dismiss your point. It's just that there are
standards and there are habits and sometimes it takes very long for the
first to overcome the latter if ever (Just have a look as the use of SI
units). But never mind you didn't start this thread and Jim probably
approached the topic much to 'biological' and we all have a choice, and no
matter whether we choose 'virii' or 'viruses' (my spellchecker complains
only about 'virii' :-)), everybody knows what we are talking about.

BTW. I have always appreciated you excellent expert knowledge on this list
and would be last to try to argue with you. :-)

Hannes

> From: Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (G-Books)
> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 23:14:48 -0700
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (G-Books)
> Subject: Re: "virii" (OT)
> 
> I love McAfee.  I am just going on what I know.  I used to work for Apple.  I
> also did a short  stint at Wired.com.  Everyone calls it Virii.  I was an
> english major in college.  I am really on your side.  But in the real world no
> one calls them "viruses."  I was really very surprised to see McAfee using
> that
> term.


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