G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 10:33 PM, Stewart Ebneter wrote: I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they are just too hot for such. this is why they went to so much trouble with the cooling system in the g5 desktop. I wouldn't put money on it. How many times have you heard technology prognosticators say this or that will never happen only to be proven wrong within a year? Do you think Apple is going to just stop making laptops? They'll find a way. Maybe a new cooler chip? Or perhaps liquid cooling is coming. Hmmm... I can see the new System Prefs pane now - Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now! Do you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance? Charles -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
This argument was used about the G4's never being cool enough to put in a Powerbook, in 2000.. Of course temp issues have never slowed down the dark side--they just supercharge the cooling fans. Maybe the Mac laptops can become like Windows, measured by decibels of noise not Mhz of speed! tom In a message dated 12/8/03 8:27:30 AM, you wrote: I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they are just too hot for such. this is why they went to so much trouble with he cooling system in the g5 desktop. I wouldn't put money on it. How many times have you heard technology prognosticators say this or that will never happen only to be proven wrong within a year? Do you think Apple is going to just stop making laptops? They'll find a way. Maybe a new cooler chip? Or perhaps liquid cooling is coming. Hmmm... I can see the new System Prefs pane now - Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now! Do you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
Look at the new generation of G5s that are coming out next month. They use a 90nm fab process, and from what I have been reading the chips dissipate less heat than the current generation. G5's in laptops are do-able. Apple and IBM have to get the chip's power consumption down low enough, and the form factor of the notebooks may have to change in order for it to happen. steve f On Dec 8, 2003, at 9:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This argument was used about the G4's never being cool enough to put in a Powerbook, in 2000.. Of course temp issues have never slowed down the dark side--they just supercharge the cooling fans. Maybe the Mac laptops can become like Windows, measured by decibels of noise not Mhz of speed! tom In a message dated 12/8/03 8:27:30 AM, you wrote: I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they are just too hot for such. this is why they went to so much trouble with he cooling system in the g5 desktop. I wouldn't put money on it. How many times have you heard technology prognosticators say this or that will never happen only to be proven wrong within a year? Do you think Apple is going to just stop making laptops? They'll find a way. Maybe a new cooler chip? Or perhaps liquid cooling is coming. Hmmm... I can see the new System Prefs pane now - Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now! Do you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Pismo drive problem - hw or sw?
Okay, I try to keep up with this list, but it's tough given the volume, so I'm not sure whether this one has been asked before. I'll give it a shot. My Pismo suddenly has started behaving badly, and before I spend $ to fix it, I want to get some input on whether and where to spend that money. A few days ago, I was working on the computer when the internal drive suddenly (and audibly) spun down. It sounded/seemed as if I had just put the computer to sleep, only of course I hadn't, and the screen didn't go off. Only the drive. The trackpad would work for a couple more minutes -- in that I could move the pointer around, but not do anything else -- and then the computer would freeze. This happened a couple of times, then stopped, but this morning happened a couple more times. Once when this happened, I closed the computer. Nothing happened for a while, and then it went to sleep naturally, as generally happens when I close the computer. Then I opened it back up, it started up, and acted as if nothing had happened. However, the other times, it has just been frozen, and I'm forced to reboot. I've run NortonDD (an old version), and I've run Diskwarrior, and I thought that solved the thing, because it didn't do this for a full 36 hours, but then it just did it twice this morning. Is this a hardware problem that will require a new drive, or is it a corrupted OS/preference file somewhere? Oh, I'm still running OS 9.2.2. And to forestall the obvious questions: I haven't installed any new hardware or software or made any changes to the configuration in months, if not longer. Any help or advice people can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- David Nieporent [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo improvement
Then there are those of us who buy used machines off the swap list or out of pawn shops and a G4 or a G5 is about as real a prospect as Bush resigning in disgrace. Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I needed mine ASAP in case I get deployed. Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? I'll be in the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a new hard drive. Dang, why is the Pismo getting so much loving on the G3 speed market when us Lombard users are stuck deciding between a G3/500 and G4/500. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo drive problem - hw or sw?
| A few days ago, I was working on the computer when the internal drive | suddenly (and audibly) spun down. It sounded/seemed as if I had just | put the computer to sleep, only of course I hadn't, and the screen | didn't go off. Only the drive. The trackpad would work for a couple | more minutes -- in that I could move the pointer around, but not do | anything else -- and then the computer would freeze. This happened a | couple of times, then stopped, but this morning happened a couple | more times. This sounds like the hard disk motor is dying or losing power - it may well be time to get a new hard disk. If it is, you can prolong the life of your current disk by turning off hard disk spin down in the power settings. Once the hard disk has lost power the computer will operate fine until it next tries to access the disk. It will then stop unless the disk spins up again. I'd open your 'book up and check the connection - if it is loose this is probably the cause. Otherwise it's probably the HD or possibly a logic board. | Once when this happened, I closed the computer. Nothing happened for | a while, and then it went to sleep naturally, as generally happens | when I close the computer. Then I opened it back up, it started up, | and acted as if nothing had happened. However, the other times, it | has just been frozen, and I'm forced to reboot. This could be because the disk is spinning back up then (if it is the motor dying, it will be intermittant, but get worse). | Is this a hardware problem that will require a new drive, or is it a | corrupted OS/preference file somewhere? This is almost certainly a hardware problem, although it is probably being exacerbated by hard disk spin down in the power options Hope this is correct and helps - I've only seen a Performa 630, PB 5300 (and my PC i'm using right now with a dodgy PSU) do this. Josh -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo improvement
The pismo is a great machine, but the lombard is 1. 66mhz, and 2. missing firewire. Other than that, it's an absolutely wonderful machine as well. Tom In a message dated 12/8/03 11:18:39 AM, you wrote: Then there are those of us who buy used machines off the swap list or out of pawn shops and a G4 or a G5 is about as real a prospect as Bush resigning in disgrace. Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I needed mine ASAP in case I get deployed. Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? I'll be in the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a new hard drive. Dang, why is the Pismo getting so much loving on the G3 speed market when us Lombard users are stuck deciding between a G3/500 and G4/500. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo improvement
Actually, I was just expressing my annoyance that the Pismo is going up to 900Mhz/1Ghz on their G3 chips (so you get to decide between G3/900 and G4/500 as upgrade options)... while the Lombard users get to choose between G3/500 and G4/500 as upgrade options. The G3/900 chips aren't different enough to prevent their use in the Lombard, which makes me curious. On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pismo is a great machine, but the lombard is 1. 66mhz, and 2. missing firewire. Other than that, it's an absolutely wonderful machine as well. Tom In a message dated 12/8/03 11:18:39 AM, you wrote: Then there are those of us who buy used machines off the swap list or out of pawn shops and a G4 or a G5 is about as real a prospect as Bush resigning in disgrace. Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I needed mine ASAP in case I get deployed. Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? I'll be in the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a new hard drive. Dang, why is the Pismo getting so much loving on the G3 speed market when us Lombard users are stuck deciding between a G3/500 and G4/500. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wallstreet CPU and VRAM questions
On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:30 PM, G-Books wrote: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:53:30 -0700 From: Andrew Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Wallstreet CPU and VRAM questions Also, what would happen if I took the 292MHz CPU out of my Wallstreet I and put it in my 233MHz Wallstreet II? I've heard that they are supposed to be incompatible... Can anyone explain to me exactly _why_ they are incompatible? Peace, Drew -- Different bus speeds on the two motherboards. Might not explain why, but that's the difference in speed ratings. --- JSH TiBook -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo improvement
Pismo's were brought on the market to satisfy the video edititng enthusiast. And as we know, any application extensive programs like FCP, iMovie 2+3 need a lot of head room as to processing power, and ram. Well, sad to say lombard's were never intended to market as video processing machines. . . and therefore never really needed as much power as the pismo, 500MHZ is really wonderful for a lombard, At least that was my observation. -MW . On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 12:14 PM, peter webster wrote: Then there are those of us who buy used machines off the swap list or out of pawn shops and a G4 or a G5 is about as real a prospect as Bush resigning in disgrace. Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I needed mine ASAP in case I get deployed. Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? I'll be in the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a new hard drive. Dang, why is the Pismo getting so much loving on the G3 speed market when us Lombard users are stuck deciding between a G3/500 and G4/500. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Japanese encoding in Mail
On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 05:30 AM, G-Books wrote: Subject: Japanese encoding in Mail Apple's Mail has no place to set encoding, In Mail, go to Format and click onText Encodings. Japanese ISO 2022JP is there. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 07:26 AM, Charles wrote: On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 10:33 PM, Stewart Ebneter wrote: I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they are just too hot for such. this is why they went to so much trouble with the cooling system in the g5 desktop. I wouldn't put money on it. How many times have you heard technology prognosticators say this or that will never happen only to be proven wrong within a year? Do you think Apple is going to just stop making laptops? They'll find a way. Maybe a new cooler chip? Or perhaps liquid cooling is coming. Hmmm... I can see the new System Prefs pane now - Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now! Do you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance? Charles G5's run cooler than G4's, so a G5 laptop will happen. 700MHz iBook running 10.2.8 Macs for life! http://homepage.mac.com/nikon80x/Menu2.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Japanese encoding in Mail
On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 05:30 AM, G-Books wrote: Subject: Japanese encoding in Mail Apple's Mail has no place to set encoding, In Mail, go to Format and click onText Encodings. Japanese ISO 2022JP is there. Ahhh ... but that's where the arrow points to a grayed-out list which contains the single word Default. Now what? -jra -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
