Re: Wallstreet question

[Clark Martin]

At 8:02 PM -0600 2/19/04, Hector I Macedo wrote:
I have a WS that originally was a 233, I upgraded it to a 292 Mhz, 
and have installed 10.1.5 and it does OK, but when I have tried to 
install 10.2 it goes half way and then it just hangs there with no 
final outcome, is that a sign that it reached its limit?


Writing this on a WS 233MHz, 384Mb & OS 10.2.6 so, no that's not the 
limit.  Unfortunately I don't have much else to help you with.
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Re: Wallstreet question

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 19/02/04 21:02, Hector I Macedo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a WS that originally was a 233, I upgraded it to a 292 Mhz, and
> have installed 10.1.5 and it does OK, but when I have tried to install
> 10.2 it goes half way and then it just hangs there with no final
> outcome, is that a sign that it reached its limit?

Not at all. However, if you have installed any after-market memory, then it
may be a problem. Some users reported having problem with additional memory
when trying to install 10.2, while 10.1 was fine. I would suggest that you
put back the original memory and run the installer again. Once it is
installed, you can try to put back the memory you added.

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Wallstreet question

[Hector I Macedo]

I have a WS that originally was a 233, I upgraded it to a 292 Mhz, and 
have installed 10.1.5 and it does OK, but when I have tried to install 
10.2 it goes half way and then it just hangs there with no final 
outcome, is that a sign that it reached its limit?

Thanks

Hector I. Macedo  "Lord of the 
Flies"	
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Re: Moving to a PB

[Clark Martin]

At 1:49 PM -0700 2/19/04, Bruce Johnson wrote:

OS X, save for a few specialized versions supporting brand new 
hardware (such as the versions of 10.2 that were released with the 
first G5's) installs the same *system* for any mac supported.

Some applications may be left out (for example, if a DVD drive is 
not present, then DVD Player will not be installed) but the systems 
themselves are the same.

In this case, though, he's *definitely* going to have to do an 
Archive and Re-Install of OSX onto the new 'book because here Hal is 
correct, since it's unlikely that 10.1.5 will run on the newer 
powerbook.

However, CCC followed by an A&R will work well, though you'll have 
to watch out for programs that have changed dramatically between 
10.1 and 10.3.

Also, MAKE SURE you can do this kind of install with the disks you 
get with the new PB. I don't know if you can do an Archive and 
Reinstall with a set of system restore disks.
I tried using a 10.2 installer from, I believe, a Snow iMac.  While 
it seemed to install okay on my Wallstreet when I installed it on a 
Beige G3 there were no sound drivers.  I reinstalled from a general 
purpose 10.2 disk and the drivers were there.  I eventually 
reinstalled on the Wallstreet from the general purpose 10.2 disk.  I 
was having some problems on that machine but I can't be sure it was 
from that or other things.  The machine specific CDs may have a 
subset of the OS that is suitable for the targeted machine.
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Re: USB 2.0 for Powerbooks, CHEAP!

[peter webster]

Yes, I did the same $17 + 4 routine and mine works, too. I also buy 
my clothes at 2nd hand stores.


Okay, this does it... I LOVE MACINTOSH!!!

I got tired of seeing all these nifty USB2 devices, feeling trapped 
inside my Powerbook.  Yes, it's got firewire and USB 1.1, but 
golley... digital cameras, scanners, and all sorts of other stuff, 
not to mention cheaper external HD enclosures...  are all coming 
with USB 2.0, not firewire!  We all know how *slow* USB 1.1 is for 
most purposes.  Well, my Pismo has a PCMCIA "Cardbus" slot that I've 
never found particularly useful

So I started exploring the PCMCIA to USB 2.0 adapters that various 
companies sell.  Some are inexpensive, others are not.  Some have 2 
ports, some have 3 or 4.  Some include firewire.  Most require an 
external power supply, some using a PS/2 adapter cable, others using 
a dedicated AC adapter.  Few claim Macintosh compatibility.  I 
didn't expect that system 9 would support them, since there were no 
USB 2.0 Macs during the production of OS 9.  And I've had my  share 
of troubles with PCMCIA cards under OS 9 as well, but that's a 
different story.

I finally decided to just give it a shot.  My main consideration was 
power: I knew that PCMCIA *can* supply power, because I used to have 
a PCMCIA-linked hard drive back in the days of my powerbook 1400, 
and it was fully bus-powered.  But none of the cards I found, with 
one possible exception, claimed bus power.  Some weren't even clear 
HOW they were powered.  I planned to use the adapter for a 
USB-to-compact flash adapter, and for a 2.5" external hard drive. 
Both need bus power.

I shopped around online, but felt pessimistic and decided to start 
with the cheapest.  Ordered a "house brand" 4-port adapter, model 
UC214, from PCMicrostore.com, for a mere $17 (plus $4 for US Mail 
delivery).  This product never even mentioned Macintosh.

It arrived.  It came with a small, dedicated AC power adapter, an 
instruction leaflet (for windoze users only), and a CD of drivers. 
The label on the CD actually does mention Mac OS X, but I was 
reluctant to let some generic "house brand" install drivers on my 
Mac, so I tossed the CD aside and ignored it.

Plugged it into my PCMCIA slot, plugged the AC adapter in, and 
plugged my drive in.  AND IT WORKS!!!  It works with my compact 
flash adapter, too!  So now my Pismo has USB 2.0 and it only cost me 
$17!  And all with the drivers built-in to Jaguar.

You want details and benchmarks?  You got it:  I'm running Mac OS X 
"Jaguar" 10.2.8 on a Pismo at 500MHz, with 1GB RAM. My internal hard 
drive is a partitioned IBM 40GB model 40GNX at 5400rpm with 8MB 
cache.  The external hard drive is a 20GB 2.5" Toshiba MK2016GAP at 
4200rpm with 1MB cache, in a Welland model ME-910U2F enclosure 
(combo USB2.0/USB1.1/firewire 400).  As a simple measure of 
throughput/speed, I finder-copied a 375MB JPG, with various 
arrangements as follows:

COPY from internal drive to external drive, via built-in USB 1.1 
bus: 526 seconds.
COPY from one partition to another partition, both on my internal 
hard drive: 49 seconds.
COPY from internal drive to external drive, via UC214 USB 2.0 
adapter: 34 seconds.
Copy from internal drive to external drive, via built-in firewire: 26 seconds.

So this PCMCIA to USB 2.0 adapter isn't as fast as firewire, but it 
sure beats the socks off of USB 1.1 by a WHOPPING 15.5 X FASTER! 
(Perhaps a different external drive & enclosure would perform even 
better under USB 2.0 with this pcmcia adapter.)

But for $17, plug-and-play, I'm VERY satisfied with this "house 
brand" UC214, from PC Microstore.

Other models you might like to consider:
** Startech CB2U2F (dual firewire400 plus dual USB2.0), explicitly 
Mac compatible. Costing $90 at MacMall.
** Startech CBUSB2 (triple USB2.0), explicitly Mac compatible. 
Claims to be bus powered. Costing $44 at MacMall, $30 at 
computerstop.com.
** Koutech 7400 (dual firewire400 plus dual USB2.0), explicitly Mac 
compatible, Powered by USB 1.1 cable.  Costing $47 at outpost.com, 
$53 at newegg.com.
** Koutech IOFlex 2002-2a (dual USB2.0). Costing $22 at newegg.com, 
$19 at outpost.com.
**IOGear/Aten GPU202 (dual USB2.0), explicitly Mac compatible, even 
with System 8.6 (USB1.1). Costing $40 at amazon.com, $37 at MacMall.

Good Luck!
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Re: USB 2.0 for Powerbooks, CHEAP!

[Jim]

I should also mention that although MacOS X "Jaguar" allowed me to 
designate the external drive as a boot volume, whilst connected via the 
pcmcia USB2.0 adapter, it was not possible to actually boot from it via 
USB.  (It is fully bootable via firewire.)

Furthermore, when I booted my Pismo into System 9.2.2, with the pcmcia 
usb2.0 adapter card in place, the card did not function.  But the Pismo 
otherwise seemed to operate properly.

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USB 2.0 for Powerbooks, CHEAP!

[Jim]

Okay, this does it... I LOVE MACINTOSH!!!

I got tired of seeing all these nifty USB2 devices, feeling trapped 
inside my Powerbook.  Yes, it's got firewire and USB 1.1, but golley... 
digital cameras, scanners, and all sorts of other stuff, not to mention 
cheaper external HD enclosures...  are all coming with USB 2.0, not 
firewire!  We all know how *slow* USB 1.1 is for most purposes.  Well, 
my Pismo has a PCMCIA "Cardbus" slot that I've never found particularly 
useful

So I started exploring the PCMCIA to USB 2.0 adapters that various 
companies sell.  Some are inexpensive, others are not.  Some have 2 
ports, some have 3 or 4.  Some include firewire.  Most require an 
external power supply, some using a PS/2 adapter cable, others using a 
dedicated AC adapter.  Few claim Macintosh compatibility.  I didn't 
expect that system 9 would support them, since there were no USB 2.0 
Macs during the production of OS 9.  And I've had my  share of troubles 
with PCMCIA cards under OS 9 as well, but that's a different story.

I finally decided to just give it a shot.  My main consideration was 
power: I knew that PCMCIA *can* supply power, because I used to have a 
PCMCIA-linked hard drive back in the days of my powerbook 1400, and it 
was fully bus-powered.  But none of the cards I found, with one 
possible exception, claimed bus power.  Some weren't even clear HOW 
they were powered.  I planned to use the adapter for a USB-to-compact 
flash adapter, and for a 2.5" external hard drive.  Both need bus power.

I shopped around online, but felt pessimistic and decided to start with 
the cheapest.  Ordered a "house brand" 4-port adapter, model UC214, 
from PCMicrostore.com, for a mere $17 (plus $4 for US Mail delivery).  
This product never even mentioned Macintosh.

It arrived.  It came with a small, dedicated AC power adapter, an 
instruction leaflet (for windoze users only), and a CD of drivers.  The 
label on the CD actually does mention Mac OS X, but I was reluctant to 
let some generic "house brand" install drivers on my Mac, so I tossed 
the CD aside and ignored it.

Plugged it into my PCMCIA slot, plugged the AC adapter in, and plugged 
my drive in.  AND IT WORKS!!!  It works with my compact flash adapter, 
too!  So now my Pismo has USB 2.0 and it only cost me $17!  And all 
with the drivers built-in to Jaguar.

You want details and benchmarks?  You got it:  I'm running Mac OS X 
"Jaguar" 10.2.8 on a Pismo at 500MHz, with 1GB RAM. My internal hard 
drive is a partitioned IBM 40GB model 40GNX at 5400rpm with 8MB cache.  
The external hard drive is a 20GB 2.5" Toshiba MK2016GAP at 4200rpm 
with 1MB cache, in a Welland model ME-910U2F enclosure (combo 
USB2.0/USB1.1/firewire 400).  As a simple measure of throughput/speed, 
I finder-copied a 375MB JPG, with various arrangements as follows:

COPY from internal drive to external drive, via built-in USB 1.1 bus: 
526 seconds.
COPY from one partition to another partition, both on my internal hard 
drive: 49 seconds.
COPY from internal drive to external drive, via UC214 USB 2.0 adapter: 
34 seconds.
Copy from internal drive to external drive, via built-in firewire: 26 
seconds.

So this PCMCIA to USB 2.0 adapter isn't as fast as firewire, but it 
sure beats the socks off of USB 1.1 by a WHOPPING 15.5 X FASTER!  
(Perhaps a different external drive & enclosure would perform even 
better under USB 2.0 with this pcmcia adapter.)

But for $17, plug-and-play, I'm VERY satisfied with this "house brand" 
UC214, from PC Microstore.

Other models you might like to consider:
** Startech CB2U2F (dual firewire400 plus dual USB2.0), explicitly Mac 
compatible. Costing $90 at MacMall.
** Startech CBUSB2 (triple USB2.0), explicitly Mac compatible.  Claims 
to be bus powered. Costing $44 at MacMall, $30 at computerstop.com.
** Koutech 7400 (dual firewire400 plus dual USB2.0), explicitly Mac 
compatible, Powered by USB 1.1 cable.  Costing $47 at outpost.com, $53 
at newegg.com.
** Koutech IOFlex 2002-2a (dual USB2.0). Costing $22 at newegg.com, $19 
at outpost.com.
**IOGear/Aten GPU202 (dual USB2.0), explicitly Mac compatible, even 
with System 8.6 (USB1.1). Costing $40 at amazon.com, $37 at MacMall.

Good Luck!
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Re: New to the list and OSX

[Andrew]

On 2/19/04 2:26 PM, "Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 04:07  PM, Andrew wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> After six years on the dark side, I went out yesterday and bought
>> myself a
>> new PowerBook.
> 
> Welcome, Andrew.  Funny how my PC fanatic friend calls Macs the 'dark
> side!'
> 
> LOL
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Re: Moving to a PB

[Michael Levin]

Sorry about the confusion. It is a new (refurb) 15² AlBook.

Does Entourage hide its mailbox and calendar files in special folders? Is
there method to export them in a compressed filed? I need my work related
e-mails and it would be a pain to re-enter the calendar files. Could I
e-mail those files?

For the software, I planned on reinstalling all of it except the 9x stuff.

regards,
Michael

On 02.19.04 04:08 PM, "Steve Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> The PowerBook won't boot off of the same system as your iMac. It
>> requires Panther, and even if you've been running Panther on the iMac,
>> it may need different/additional files.
> 
> I might not have been following an earlier conversation, but he did say
> refurb powerbook, but not which one. If it's a TiBook, then it should
> boot just about anything from 9.x on up shouldn't it? The first
> powerbooks to require OS X were the 12" and 17" AlBooks, and of course
> now the new 15" AlBook.
> 
> Steve
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Re: New to the list and OSX

[Tim]

On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 04:07  PM, Andrew wrote:

Hello all.

After six years on the dark side, I went out yesterday and bought 
myself a
new PowerBook.
Welcome, Andrew.  Funny how my PC fanatic friend calls Macs the 'dark 
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Re: New to the list and OSX

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 19/02/04 16:07, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello all.
> 
> After six years on the dark side, I went out yesterday and bought myself a
> new PowerBook.  I was a long-time PowerBook user before, having started on a
> 145B back in 1993, replaced by a 5300c in 1995, before I defected to Windows
> in 1998.  My defection was not related to the software, but rather to
> Apple's then unwillingness to sell me a new laptop with an active matrix
> screen for $2000 or less.  At that time, they had the cacheless, passive
> matrix Wallstreet at $1999, and the cheapest active matrix model at $2799.
> 
> Six years later and I've replaced my IBM ThinkPad X21 with a 1GHz 12"
> PowerBook.  Not sure yet about how Panther compares to XP, as I'm still
> learning my way around, but so far I'm impressed.  The interface is
> attractive and the hardware is simply gorgeous.
> 
> Anyway, I'll post more once I'm up to speed.

Welcome back!

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Re: Moving to a PB

[Steve Fuller]

The PowerBook won't boot off of the same system as your iMac. It 
requires Panther, and even if you've been running Panther on the iMac, 
it may need different/additional files.
I might not have been following an earlier conversation, but he did say 
refurb powerbook, but not which one. If it's a TiBook, then it should 
boot just about anything from 9.x on up shouldn't it? The first 
powerbooks to require OS X were the 12" and 17" AlBooks, and of course 
now the new 15" AlBook.

Steve

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New to the list and OSX

[Andrew]

Hello all.

After six years on the dark side, I went out yesterday and bought myself a
new PowerBook.  I was a long-time PowerBook user before, having started on a
145B back in 1993, replaced by a 5300c in 1995, before I defected to Windows
in 1998.  My defection was not related to the software, but rather to
Apple's then unwillingness to sell me a new laptop with an active matrix
screen for $2000 or less.  At that time, they had the cacheless, passive
matrix Wallstreet at $1999, and the cheapest active matrix model at $2799.

Six years later and I've replaced my IBM ThinkPad X21 with a 1GHz 12"
PowerBook.  Not sure yet about how Panther compares to XP, as I'm still
learning my way around, but so far I'm impressed.  The interface is
attractive and the hardware is simply gorgeous.

Anyway, I'll post more once I'm up to speed.

Andrew


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Re: Moving to a PB

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 19, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Harry D. Corsover wrote:

On Feb 19, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Hal wrote:

You could connect the computers using a firewire cable and firewire 
disk mode, and use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the entire drive. I've 
done this a few times when I've upgraded machines and it's worked 
great.

The one time I had  a problem, I booted the new computer off a Jaguar 
CD and did an Archive and Install to clean up the system folder, but 
it preserved all the data I had transferred.

Just my $0.02.

-Hal
The PowerBook won't boot off of the same system as your iMac. It 
requires Panther, and even if you've been running Panther on the iMac, 
it may need different/additional files.
OS X, save for a few specialized versions supporting brand new hardware 
(such as the versions of 10.2 that were released with the first G5's) 
installs the same *system* for any mac supported.

Some applications may be left out (for example, if a DVD drive is not 
present, then DVD Player will not be installed) but the systems 
themselves are the same.

In this case, though, he's *definitely* going to have to do an Archive 
and Re-Install of OSX onto the new 'book because here Hal is correct, 
since it's unlikely that 10.1.5 will run on the newer powerbook.

However, CCC followed by an A&R will work well, though you'll have to 
watch out for programs that have changed dramatically between 10.1 and 
10.3.

Also, MAKE SURE you can do this kind of install with the disks you get 
with the new PB. I don't know if you can do an Archive and Reinstall 
with a set of system restore disks.

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Re: Moving to a PB

[Harry D . Corsover]

On Feb 19, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Hal wrote:

You could connect the computers using a firewire cable and firewire 
disk mode, and use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the entire drive. I've 
done this a few times when I've upgraded machines and it's worked 
great.

The one time I had  a problem, I booted the new computer off a Jaguar 
CD and did an Archive and Install to clean up the system folder, but 
it preserved all the data I had transferred.

Just my $0.02.

-Hal
The PowerBook won't boot off of the same system as your iMac. It 
requires Panther, and even if you've been running Panther on the iMac, 
it may need different/additional files.

Regards,

Harry Corsover

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Re: Moving to a PB

[Hal]

You could connect the computers using a firewire cable and firewire 
disk mode, and use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the entire drive. I've 
done this a few times when I've upgraded machines and it's worked 
great.

The one time I had  a problem, I booted the new computer off a Jaguar 
CD and did an Archive and Install to clean up the system folder, but it 
preserved all the data I had transferred.

Just my $0.02.

-Hal

On Feb 19, 2004, at 9:44 AM, Michael Levin wrote:

My refurb PB arrives tomorrow and I need to get files off my iMac. I 
was
able to export the contact list in Entourage. How do I get my e-mail
messages, folders and contacts from the iMac to the PB?

The iTunes files and pictures seem straight forward enough.

I also have two log-ins on the iMac, which runs 10.1.5. For the second
log-in, how do I get files from that setting to the PB?
Any words of advice would be greatly appreciated.

cheers,
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Moving to a PB

[Michael Levin]

My refurb PB arrives tomorrow and I need to get files off my iMac. I was
able to export the contact list in Entourage. How do I get my e-mail
messages, folders and contacts from the iMac to the PB?

The iTunes files and pictures seem straight forward enough.

I also have two log-ins on the iMac, which runs 10.1.5. For the second
log-in, how do I get files from that setting to the PB?

Any words of advice would be greatly appreciated.

cheers,
Michael


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Re: cooling down Lombard?

[Mike McGinnis]

Andrew,
 I use Thermograph on OS9. http://www.kezer.net/thermograph.html . I 
have also tone the thermal paste, I don't know for sure how much good 
it did as my processor had already lost its L2 cache, it did seem to 
drop the temperature about 10-15 degrees F.

Mike McGinnis

On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 07:24 AM, Andrew in Ann Arbor wrote:

I've been following the Lombard temperature thread with interest and 
was  thinking of installing some temperature monitoring software.
However all the temperature monitors are OSX and I am running OS 9.2.2.
Is there any reason not to just go ahead and add the thermal paste to 
my CPU? It doesn't seem to difficult and it has to help.
Any recommendation for the paste itself?

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cooling down Lombard?

[Andrew in Ann Arbor]

I've been following the Lombard temperature thread with interest and was 
 thinking of installing some temperature monitoring software.
However all the temperature monitors are OSX and I am running OS 9.2.2.
Is there any reason not to just go ahead and add the thermal paste to my 
CPU? It doesn't seem to difficult and it has to help.
Any recommendation for the paste itself?

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Re: Wallstreet memory configuration

[Mike Turner]

On 18/2/04 22:53, Mike Clark said:

>What about using a ram disk for browser cache, and have the ram disk saved
>on shut down?  Wouldn't that speed up web browsing?  What about using virtual
>memory?

Up until 11 months ago I was using a Wallstreet II in a similar way 
(266MHz, 192MB RAM, 20GB IBM TravelStar HDD, Mac OS 9.1). Using a RAM 
disk for the browser cache files significantly speeded up web browsing. I 
set it up as 5MB in size, which you might find to be a bit too small, but 
I really needed the memory for other applications.

I kept virtual memory turned on and set it to 1MB more than the physical 
memory (193MB), in line with Apple's recommendations for best 
performance. This proved to be a very stable setup.

But in my quest for more speed, better graphics performance, USB, 
FireWire support and improved battery life I upgraded to a 2nd hand 
500MHz Pismo (from eBay) and have never looked back. The WallStreet may 
run OS X but only just. The Pismo runs it like a champion. 

The good news is that in the last 12 months Pismo prices seem to have 
steadily fallen, so I would wholeheartedly recommend any WallStreet user 
to consider making the upgrade.

Regards
Mike Turner

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