Re: Help w/ Pismo!
Well, here is the meaning of the tones (From the Apple Service Manuals for the Pismo): 1 beep No RAM is installed or detected. 2 beeps EDO memory is installed. The PowerBook (FireWire) ships with SDRAM SO-DIMMs and does not accept EDO memory. 3 beeps No RAM banks passed memory testing. 4 or 5 beeps Bad checksum for the remainder of the boot ROM. The ROM (which is located on the microprocessor module) is bad. What this means is that since you got 4 beeps, the ROM upgrade never got complete. The ROM flashing probably got interrupted. Tell me, what did you do after you heard the one long beep? Also, the flashing instructions I read say that you shouldn't shut down, so that all the data needed to flash the firmware is where it is supposed to be. I would like to know a little more detail on what you did *exactly* so I can at least let you know where it went wrong, exactly. To be blunt the processor is not repairable without seeing if Apple themselves are willing to fix a bad ROM flash, and they might charge you more than it would cost to grab a 400Mhz processor. Regards, Adam Thayer On Sep 3, 2004, at 5:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/3/04 5:31:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay; played with my Pismo some moreNOW when I try to start it up, I get four, even tone slow beeps (NOT the tone of death) and the PRAM/sleep lamp starts flashing in cycles of four... So; what level of Hades has my processor gone to NOW?!? Could it be another board ? Maybe the power board ? Doubtful, since it's only doing this with one of the 400mhz processors I have; with the other one it is working fine. I guess it's time to Cowboy up get another processor; I mussed this one up. Craig W. Atlanta, GA Power corrupts. Absolute power's a blast. -- John Fund -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
extreme prices for non-extreme Airport cards....
The WirelessDriver from sourceforge.net support the Orinoco and is free. Works very nicely, but perhaps IOXperts is even better I dunno. Actually I just bought two of the orinoco cards from Wegener last week and they do now come with OS X drivers for free Anyway to sample that OSX Driver? Also, anyone know of a driver for either Belkin or Linksys cards that will work in 9 or X? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Continuous pinging - affecting performance ???
At 08:08 PM -0600 09/02/2004, Bob wrote: The National Enquirer reports at 8:22 PM +0200 9/2/04, Larry le Mac wrote: However, sending the 64 bytes every second, how will that affect performance ? It's not your performance that should be of concern. This is not said in an accusatory manner, but it has always been considered very poor netiquette to constantly ping an ISP. It will unnecessarily waste **their** resources. Exactly. Perception of FLOOD -- a violation of your TOS/AUP. How would you feel if someone tossed a pebble at your office window once every second? Once a minute is MORE than ample for a keep-alive ping. Once every few minutes would be even better... - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
PB G4/400 LCD...help!
I have inherited a PB G4/400 that is experiencing LCD freezes and troubles waking from sleep. I've searched and searched but can't find any similar experiences to help me diagnose the machine. Hopefully someone here can help. Here's a summary of what's happening: - by itself, not moving it...it pretty much works flawless. But, if I am working on it on my lap and move it to a table, it shut down on me. Just Poof...off she goes. - Yesterday, I had it on and the display went to sleep...it wouldn't wake up. I closed the lid, the hard drive stopped spinning but when I opened it, it still wouldn't wake up. Reboot - went to desktop but the mouse and keyboard wouldn't respond. Reboot - ok...then it wouldn't go to sleep. The mouse/keyboard was responding ok after the restart but then after it sat for 30min or so, no response from mouse/keyboard...they freeze on the screen but the machine is still ok...hard drive and cd work just nothing responds on the screen. - this is the main problem...it'll be working fine but if you move it, the screen will freeze (mouse/keyboard no response)... I've read around and it seems it could either be the cable that feeds the screen, a damaged logic board or the inverter board (not sure what that is) Can anyone helppinpoint, suggest, point me in a direction, suggest sites, etc, etc? Thx! --- Kevin -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Applecare - impressed and not impressed
As an Apple Certified Technician I can assure you that if you sent that machine to my shop I wouldn't have looked at that printout for more than a second and then I would have gone about my merry way troubleshooting it with *real* utilities. Not lightweight consumer stuff like Techtool. Real techs almost never use Techtool. Ironic naming? I missed the first part of the thread...what did they end up replacing? It would be one of 4 things. Logic board. HD data cable. HD. Reinstall OS. I'm not sure what they replaced. All I know is that they sent it back with my Crucial RAM in a baggie and a note saying that my hard drive problems were caused by 3rd party RAM because all of the problems stopped when they took out the RAM. Except that they also either replaced the OS or replaced the HD, because it came back with a clean install of 10.3.4. So they clearly did something besides just taking out the RAM and running the tests. I'm hoping that they replaced the hard drive first. So I'm going to run a week or so without the extra RAM and see if there are any problems, and if not, I'll put it back in and see if it does cause any problems. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Applecare - impressed and not impressed
On 9/4/04 4:38 PM, Timothy Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: I'm not sure what they replaced. All I know is that they sent it back with my Crucial RAM in a baggie and a note saying that my hard drive problems were caused by 3rd party RAM because all of the problems stopped when they took out the RAM. Except that they also either replaced the OS or replaced the HD, because it came back with a clean install of 10.3.4. So they clearly did something besides just taking out the RAM and running the tests. I'm hoping that they replaced the hard drive first. So I'm going to run a week or so without the extra RAM and see if there are any problems, and if not, I'll put it back in and see if it does cause any problems. All Applecare repairs come back with a white sheet whit a listing of parts replaced at the bottom. Do you remember seeing a white sheet? Kyle H. Hansen -- Jesus Saves...but Gretzky grabs the rebound and backhands for a goal!!! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Help w/ Pismo!
In a message dated 9/4/04 10:24:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 4 or 5 beeps Bad checksum for the remainder of the boot ROM. The ROM (which is located on the microprocessor module) is bad. Yup... that is what I am getting... What this means is that since you got 4 beeps, the ROM upgrade never got complete. The ROM flashing probably got interrupted. Tell me, what did you do after you heard the one long beep? I let go of the Apple+Power key. I then saw a progress bar that went all the way to the end; then the screen went off and the pram/sleep lamp began flashing as nauseum; after 30 minutes of that, I pressed the restart key... Also, the flashing instructions I read say that you shouldn't shut down, so that all the data needed to flash the firmware is where it is supposed to be. I would like to know a little more detail on what you did *exactly* so I can at least let you know where it went wrong, exactly. I guess I should have just left it alone(!) until well after the time I allow ed it... To be blunt the processor is not repairable without seeing if Apple themselves are willing to fix a bad ROM flash, and they might charge you more than it would cost to grab a 400Mhz processor. Well, Daystar Technologies, with whom I have done business before (and I live withing walking distance from) says they can re-flash the ROM; just waiting to hear what the damage will be... Craig W. Atlanta, GA -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: extreme prices for non-extreme Airport cards....
The National Enquirer reports at 8:58 AM -0700 9/4/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The WirelessDriver from sourceforge.net support the Orinoco and is free. Works very nicely, but perhaps IOXperts is even better I dunno. Actually I just bought two of the orinoco cards from Wegener last week and they do now come with OS X drivers for free Anyway to sample that OSX Driver? I don't know which driver Wegener is including. Their web site doesn't seem to give any hint either. But if it's either the Sourceforge open source driver (free) or the IOXperts driver ($20 shareware), you can install these drivers and try them before deciding which one to settle on. Email Wegener and ask them. In case you aren't aware, these drivers are OS X only. I don't know what people are using with these cards in OS 9. That's why I went with a card that would use the Apple OS 8/9 drivers. Also, anyone know of a driver for either Belkin or Linksys cards that will work in 9 or X? That's not an easy question to answer correctly without more information. Are you still talking about 802.11b cards (not 11g)? Which cards specifically? For OS X, your first step should be to go to the web-sites of the two drivers mentioned above and see if they list your cards as being supported. The other option would be to install the drivers and see if they work with those cards (unless you are trying to decided whether to buy the cards or not). The Belkin cards are difficult to generalize. There are multiple generations of cards that have the same part number but are completely different cards and will not work with the drivers you find on-line. For instance, the 2nd generation Belkin is not prism-based and therefore despite what you read, it will not work at all with the 3 drivers you see on-line (or so I'm told). BTW the drivers mentioned above are not the only ones available. Orangeware makes a shareware driver http://www.orangeware.com/endusers/wirelessformac.html and it is supposed to support the Linksys card. HTH, Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
bloototh noo longer working
hi: something weird happened and my computer no longer recognizes neither the apple wireless mouse nor the apple wireless keyboard. i changed the bluetooth plug to a different hub, known working, but nothing. i am running 10.3.5. tia! gladys -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
bluetooth no longer working
sorry for the spelling! i must be more tired than i thought! g On Sep 5, 2004, at 12:02 AM, Gladys Pérez-Almiroty wrote: hi: something weird happened and my computer no longer recognizes neither the apple wireless mouse nor the apple wireless keyboard. i changed the bluetooth plug to a different hub, known working, but nothing. i am running 10.3.5. tia! gladys -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PB G4/400 LCD...help!
on 04/09/04 14:30, Kevin Thomas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have inherited a PB G4/400 that is experiencing LCD freezes and troubles waking from sleep. I've searched and searched but can't find any similar experiences to help me diagnose the machine. Hopefully someone here can help. Here's a summary of what's happening: - by itself, not moving it...it pretty much works flawless. But, if I am working on it on my lap and move it to a table, it shut down on me. Just Poof...off she goes. - Yesterday, I had it on and the display went to sleep...it wouldn't wake up. I closed the lid, the hard drive stopped spinning but when I opened it, it still wouldn't wake up. Reboot - went to desktop but the mouse and keyboard wouldn't respond. Reboot - ok...then it wouldn't go to sleep. The mouse/keyboard was responding ok after the restart but then after it sat for 30min or so, no response from mouse/keyboard...they freeze on the screen but the machine is still ok...hard drive and cd work just nothing responds on the screen. - this is the main problem...it'll be working fine but if you move it, the screen will freeze (mouse/keyboard no response)... I've read around and it seems it could either be the cable that feeds the screen, a damaged logic board or the inverter board (not sure what that is) Can anyone helppinpoint, suggest, point me in a direction, suggest sites, etc, etc? Thx! --- Kevin Well, if the keyboard/cursor freezes on screen, that probably rules out the video cable. There might be something loose in it, so, if it was me, I would open it up and check all cable connections, specially the hard drive which will cause the machine to lock up if it is suddenly unplugged. If all connections are good and it still exhibits the same problems, then you're probably looking at another motherboard... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fudge: 1. vt. To perform in an incomplete but marginally acceptable way, particularly with respect to the writing of a program. I didn't feel like going through that pain and suffering, so I fudged it -- I'll fix it later. 2. n. The resulting code. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: bloototh noo longer working
on 05/09/04 00:02, Gladys Pérez-Almiroty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something weird happened and my computer no longer recognizes neither the apple wireless mouse nor the apple wireless keyboard. i changed the bluetooth plug to a different hub, known working, but nothing. i am running 10.3.5. What is this hub that you're talking about? As far as I know, Bluetooth doesn't need a hub... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] bozotic /boh-zoh'tik/ or /boh-zo'tik/ adj.: [from the name of a TV clown even more losing than Ronald McDonald] Resembling or having the quality of a bozo; that is, clownish, ludicrously wrong, unintentionally humorous. Compare wonky, demented. Note that the noun `bozo' occurs in slang, but the mainstream adjectival form would be `bozo-like' or (in New England) `bozoish'. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: bloototh noo longer working
I would think that he has a computer that does not have the built in Bluetooth and is using the keyboard and mouse with a usb-bluetooth adaptor. If he is using an adapter he may have it plugged into a usb hub. If you are using an adaptor have you tried plugging it back into the computer and see if it works, may be some issue with hubs. On Sep 4, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 05/09/04 00:02, Gladys Pérez-Almiroty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something weird happened and my computer no longer recognizes neither the apple wireless mouse nor the apple wireless keyboard. i changed the bluetooth plug to a different hub, known working, but nothing. i am running 10.3.5. What is this hub that you're talking about? As far as I know, Bluetooth doesn't need a hub... -Laurent. Larry Zasitko iMac 350mhz, Bondi Blue, 320meg ram, Jaguar Graphite Clamshell SE, G3 366mhz, 576 meg ram 12 G4 1.33ghz PowerBook, 768 meg ram, Superdrive, Airport Extreme Newton OMP, 110, 120, 2100 + eMate -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: bluetooth no longer working
it was working in the hub, i changed it to an other hub in a port known to be working, and to the computer itself. could the adapter be faulty even though the light is on? ii am using the new belkin hub that has 7 ports. On Sep 5, 2004, at 12:40 AM, larry Zasitko wrote: I would think that he has a computer that does not have the built in Bluetooth and is using the keyboard and mouse with a usb-bluetooth adaptor. If he is using an adapter he may have it plugged into a usb hub. If you are using an adaptor have you tried plugging it back into the computer and see if it works, may be some issue with hubs. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
