Re: Problem with powerbook g3 Wallstreet

2004-11-23 Thread Clark Martin
At 3:48 AM + 11/23/04, Malcolm Cornelius wrote:
  I power up
 It looks like 9.2 is going to start but after a short time the screen goes
 black and then the grey apple.
 After a short time I get the disallowed symbol
OS X install is damaged or not complete.
Reinstall OS X.
I've seen this with Bieges sometimes.  A PRAM Zap cleared it for me, 
it's worth a try.
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Older Powerbook G4

2004-11-23 Thread Greg Wallace
I have an older 500 and am thinking about upgrading to the newer 17 
powerbook.

Is there going to be a G5 coming?
If not, when might the next model be released and will it worth waiting for?
Also, I have BookEndz for my PowerBook G4 and it looks like there aren't 
any for the 17 PowerBooks.

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Re: Older Powerbook G4

2004-11-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 11/23/04 6:04 AM, Greg Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have an older 500 and am thinking about upgrading to the newer 17
 powerbook.
 
 Is there going to be a G5 coming?

I talked to Steve last nite and he said Santa isn't going to get it done in
time. No G5 soon.
 
 If not, when might the next model be released and will it worth waiting for?

Steve just smiled and shrugged.
 
 Also, I have BookEndz for my PowerBook G4 and it looks like there aren't
 any for the 17 PowerBooks.

This is the only question that any of us can answer. No, there is none.
Probably because ports are on both sides of the new PowerBooks.

Seriously, only Steve and Company know when anything is coming out. The
PowerBooks were revved not too long ago. The big Mac hoohaw in January is a
prime time for hardware and software announcements so maybe the PowerBooks
will be revved then but don't hold your breath for a G5 PowerBook. Cooling
and power are issues that have to be solved first.




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Re: Older Powerbook G4

2004-11-23 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:04 AM, Greg Wallace wrote:
I have an older 500 and am thinking about upgrading to the newer 17 
powerbook.

Is there going to be a G5 coming?
Not likely, there are serious heat and power issues with G5's. The iMac 
is likely the smallest form factor G5 for a while

If not, when might the next model be released and will it worth 
waiting for?

Get used to this simple, eternal fact of computing: There is never the 
perfect time to buy a new computer.

There is *always* a newer model coming out. A 17 Powerbook is a 
heckuva powerful system that will do for you no matter what you do for 
a long time to come.

The best insurance is to wait, though until the next big Apple-centric 
conference. MacWorld January is just around the corner. I'd not buy 
until then.

If nothing new is introduced, then you're not out anything. If 
something new does get announced, then you're in a position to decide 
if this is something you want, or if this is a good time to score a 
deal on a soon-to-be-discontinued model, although Apple's gotten really 
good at clearing the retail channels before the intro of a new model.

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Re: New Airport Software

2004-11-23 Thread Zoltan Batiz
On Nov 22, 2004, at 11:52 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
on 22/11/04 20:07, Dennis B. Swaney at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 6:23 PM -0500 11/22/04, John McGibney wrote:
Has anyone using the NON Extreme Airport grey base and original card
 started using this yet?  I refer to the version 4.1 that came up in
 Software Update.
 Regards and TIA,
 Mike K
I've heard of lots of problems on MacFixIt.com with that combo. The 
Base
firmware updates seem to break more than they fix.

IIRC, the update was for AirPort Extreme base stations and ANY
AirPort-enabled computer that connected to AirPort Extreme base
stations. Those connecting to a NON Extreme base station, should not
install it I believe.
Well, for my part, any update that shows up in Software Update, I do
install. I did install everything that Software Update thinks I should 
get
and I never had any problem after using OS X since the first beta 
version
came out, about 4 years ago...

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Re: Older Powerbook G4

2004-11-23 Thread Timothy Luoma

 Is there going to be a G5 coming?

Not likely, there are serious heat and power issues with G5's. The iMac 
is likely the smallest form factor G5 for a while


OTOH the new iMac is nearly as portable as a 17 pb :-)


The best insurance is to wait, though until the next big Apple-centric 
conference. MacWorld January is just around the corner. I'd not buy 
until then.


agreed.  Anything that comes out will almost certainly bring (even slightly) 
better specs.

If nothing new is introduced, then you're not out anything. If 
something new does get announced, then you're in a position to decide 
if this is something you want, or if this is a good time to score a 
deal on a soon-to-be-discontinued model, although Apple's gotten really 
good at clearing the retail channels before the intro of a new model.


which is good because what they have introduced has usually been such that 
most people would prefer the new.

TjL


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Pismo in Profound Vegatative State

2004-11-23 Thread Dyna
	My 2000 Pismo running OS10.2 has become near impossible to boot. Early 
symptoms were freezes in Mail and occasionally Safari. As the disease 
progressed the Pismo required repeated attempts to get it to fully boot 
and frequent crashes with a lot of UNIX error messages on the screen. 
Now it will only boot as far as the screen coming on with the Apple 
logo and occasionally the little thingy starts spinning. I haven't been 
able to get it to boot any farther the last few days.

	I've tried the easy fixes- reinstall OS, reset by button on back, 
checked PRAM battery and it shows the proper 6 volts. Any suggestions 
for diagnosis and treatment?

thanks in advance,
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Re: Pismo in Profound Vegatative State

2004-11-23 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 23/11/04 14:14, Dyna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My 2000 Pismo running OS10.2 has become near impossible to boot. Early
 symptoms were freezes in Mail and occasionally Safari. As the disease
 progressed the Pismo required repeated attempts to get it to fully boot
 and frequent crashes with a lot of UNIX error messages on the screen.
 Now it will only boot as far as the screen coming on with the Apple
 logo and occasionally the little thingy starts spinning. I haven't been
 able to get it to boot any farther the last few days.
 
 I've tried the easy fixes- reinstall OS, reset by button on back,
 checked PRAM battery and it shows the proper 6 volts. Any suggestions
 for diagnosis and treatment?

Have you checked the hard drive? Did you, at anytime, add some extra memory?

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XCode / gcc optimization

2004-11-23 Thread Pete Gregory
Sorry if this is a liittle off topic.  If it is, pointers in the right 
direction greatfully appreciated

A while back I knocked up some math benchmarks on my trusty G3 Pismo 
under Metrowerks CodeWarrior (a somewhat out of date(vanilla C) version 
which came out for 603/604e era)... and was pleasantly surprised to see 
it performed these tasks faster than a Win2000 laptop (1GHz P4) and Sun 
Ultra60.

I've now upgraded to a G4/450 based Mac and purchased OSX which so far 
is great.  The old compiled code runs OK under classic.  I tried 
recompiling these benchmarks under gcc ( x-code) using the -O3 flag and 
set up for a G4.  The surprise is that these takes FIVE TIMES LONGER 
when recompiled than the old code under classic.

Are there any suggestions to better optimization flags etc or other 
(preferably free/cheap) compilers out there?

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Re: XCode / gcc optimization

2004-11-23 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 23/11/04 14:56, Pete Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry if this is a liittle off topic.  If it is, pointers in the right
 direction greatfully appreciated
 
 A while back I knocked up some math benchmarks on my trusty G3 Pismo
 under Metrowerks CodeWarrior (a somewhat out of date(vanilla C) version
 which came out for 603/604e era)... and was pleasantly surprised to see
 it performed these tasks faster than a Win2000 laptop (1GHz P4) and Sun
 Ultra60.
 
 I've now upgraded to a G4/450 based Mac and purchased OSX which so far
 is great.  The old compiled code runs OK under classic.  I tried
 recompiling these benchmarks under gcc ( x-code) using the -O3 flag and
 set up for a G4.  The surprise is that these takes FIVE TIMES LONGER
 when recompiled than the old code under classic.
 
 Are there any suggestions to better optimization flags etc or other
 (preferably free/cheap) compilers out there?

gcc is almost the only game in town, besides CodeWarrior. I've read a few
times that it doesn't generate the fastest code. You have to carefully setup
those flags in order to get the most out of it.

Did you try this with a brand new Xcode project or a ProjectBuilder project
updated to Xcode? Or was it an imported CodeWarrior project?  If you haven't
tried, I would suggest starting a brand new Xcode 'tool' project. You might
also consider getting on Apple's email discussion  list. There is an
Xcode-related list and also and performance-optimization list.

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Dead Wallstreet

2004-11-23 Thread Pat Heidingsfelder
I know this has been talked about before, but I would like to ask 
anyway.
I have a Wallstreet that will not boot.  It has been behaving fine with 
a clean Jaguar install.  I left it sleeping for a while then come back 
and nothing.  Try to restart, nothing.  I try to do the pram reset 
holding function, control and shift and hitting the power button.  The 
fan spins and light blinks.  Do it again the fan goes off.  Try to boot 
normally nothing, not even the light blinking.  So I figured I would 
break it open and unplug the pram battery.  Once I got it open, I 
forgot how big of a job it was to get to it, so I just unplugged the 
PMU for a minute or so.  Tried it out, same thing.   I am just going to 
have to unplug the pram, or could it be something else?  Any tips to 
getting to the pram plug?

Thanks,
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Re: Dead Wallstreet

2004-11-23 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 23/11/04 19:05, Pat Heidingsfelder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I know this has been talked about before, but I would like to ask
 anyway.
 I have a Wallstreet that will not boot.  It has been behaving fine with
 a clean Jaguar install.  I left it sleeping for a while then come back
 and nothing.  Try to restart, nothing.  I try to do the pram reset
 holding function, control and shift and hitting the power button.  The
 fan spins and light blinks.  Do it again the fan goes off.  Try to boot
 normally nothing, not even the light blinking.  So I figured I would
 break it open and unplug the pram battery.  Once I got it open, I
 forgot how big of a job it was to get to it, so I just unplugged the
 PMU for a minute or so.  Tried it out, same thing.   I am just going to
 have to unplug the pram, or could it be something else?  Any tips to
 getting to the pram plug?

Remove the battery, plug the adapter and then try Command + Control + Power.
See if that helps. If it doesn't, then maybe the PMU is defective...

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Re: Dead Wallstreet

2004-11-23 Thread Tom Peterson
With all due sympathy, My wallstreet does not like to wake from sleep. 
It does however reboot to OS9 when this happens. I have replaced the 
hard drive on my poor beast and that has caused me to recommend the 
following voodoo trick. Take a metal object ( I have used pocket 
knives, watches, tiny magnets be verwwy cawwfull here and pass it 
along the right hand side of the wallstreet while holding down the 
power on/off button. The portion of the side adjacent to the keyboard 
seems to be more significant than the portion of the right side of the 
palm rest, mouse pad. Repeat a couple of times before abandoning. Good 
luck.
On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:05 PM, Pat Heidingsfelder wrote:

I know this has been talked about before, but I would like to ask 
anyway.
I have a Wallstreet that will not boot.  It has been behaving fine 
with a clean Jaguar install.  I left it sleeping for a while then come 
back and nothing.  Try to restart, nothing.  I try to do the pram 
reset holding function, control and shift and hitting the power 
button.  The fan spins and light blinks.  Do it again the fan goes 
off.  Try to boot normally nothing, not even the light blinking.  So I 
figured I would break it open and unplug the pram battery.  Once I got 
it open, I forgot how big of a job it was to get to it, so I just 
unplugged the PMU for a minute or so.  Tried it out, same thing.   I 
am just going to have to unplug the pram, or could it be something 
else?  Any tips to getting to the pram plug?

Thanks,
Pat
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Re: Bounce messages

2004-11-23 Thread Don P.
Sounds like another reason to dump GD AOL.
Why pay so much more for so much less?
Don

Same here.  Lots of bounced message warnings.
Linda



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 I have been flooded yesterday and today with the
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and 
LemSwap...last countat 445pm today was over 60 apiece
since midnite 
saturday...what aPITA...Talk about bandwith waste
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look at my email, 
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a LEM list has to 
be 
done through AOL's webmail system, since AOL won't
support an older, 
text only 
format which the LEM lists use.  Tis webmail is
considerably slower 
than AOL 
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messages.
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My 15 Minutes Of Fame! (OT)

2004-11-23 Thread TDK
Hi All,
I posed a question earlier, with moderate help in return, no definite  
answers.
Well, checking 'MacSurfer' (http://www.macsurfer.com) I cam across this  
link at playlistmag.com (a magazine/site about the iPod).
I clicked on it since it was what I was wondering about:
http://playlistmag.com/weblogs/todayatplaylist/2004/11/usb11ipod/ 
index.php
and was surprised it was my question I had put up on their forum boards  
earlier this week! (Timmer is my forum user name).
Thanks Chris Breen, someone does listen!
Tim

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Re: New Airport Software

2004-11-23 Thread Dennis B. Swaney
At 2:52 AM -0500 11/23/04, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
on 22/11/04 20:07, Dennis B. Swaney at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 6:23 PM -0500 11/22/04, John McGibney wrote:
 Has anyone using the NON Extreme Airport grey base and original card
  started using this yet?  I refer to the version 4.1 that came up in
  Software Update.
  Regards and TIA,
  Mike K
 I've heard of lots of problems on MacFixIt.com with that combo. The Base
 firmware updates seem to break more than they fix.
 IIRC, the update was for AirPort Extreme base stations and ANY
 AirPort-enabled computer that connected to AirPort Extreme base
 stations. Those connecting to a NON Extreme base station, should not
 install it I believe.
Well, for my part, any update that shows up in Software Update, I do
install. I did install everything that Software Update thinks I should get
and I never had any problem after using OS X since the first beta version
came out, about 4 years ago...
All well and good, Your way seems to have worked for you so far so 
congratulations. However, I wonder about Apple's shotgun approach 
in Software Update. There have been updates where the description 
specifically said to NOT install it if you don't meet the 
requirements. If SU checks for what is on your computer, then it 
should know that you don't have an iSight or iPod because those show 
up in the System Profiler. I have a 2nd Gen iPod, yet SU still tells 
me to dl  install updates that specifically say that they are for 
the iPod Mini and Click-Wheel iPods. Of course you can tell SU to 
ignore the update but, as I understand it, that means that it will 
ignore ALL future updates for that item.
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Sincerely,
Dennis B. Swaney

Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is 
... oh, never mind.

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