Re: new laptop possibility
Chris, Good deal, until you find a MicroCenter selling a 1.0 gHz, 512m RAM, 30 g HD, Combo drive, 12 iBook brand new in the box for $617. The outer shipping box was marked 256m RAM, but the Apple box was 512m RAM. Neither had been opened. The guy who bought it had an $849 refurb on order with Apple at the time. He called to stop the order and buy the $617 iBook. Apple lowered the price by $40, still not enough in his case. Food for thought. Shawn On Mar 11, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Chris wrote: Until recently (and I think it's a recurring deal) the Apple Store has been selling refurb 12 G4/1.2 iBooks, with Airport extreme standard, for $849, full 1 year warranty. That's a good deal. Chris -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: new laptop possibility
I'll have to dig around at my local Microcenter a bit- $617 is less than it would cost to fix my lemon Pismo and upgrade it to match the iBook's specs. But one has to remember that like all current Apple portables it's a throwaway computer with a 3 year (AppleCare) life Dyna Chris, Good deal, until you find a MicroCenter selling a 1.0 gHz, 512m RAM, 30 g HD, Combo drive, 12 iBook brand new in the box for $617. The outer shipping box was marked 256m RAM, but the Apple box was 512m RAM. Neither had been opened. The guy who bought it had an $849 refurb on order with Apple at the time. He called to stop the order and buy the $617 iBook. Apple lowered the price by $40, still not enough in his case. Food for thought. Shawn On Mar 11, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Chris wrote: Until recently (and I think it's a recurring deal) the Apple Store has been selling refurb 12 G4/1.2 iBooks, with Airport extreme standard, for $849, full 1 year warranty. That's a good deal. Chris -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Slightly OT 802.11 question
What's available to add 802.11 to a OS9 unit that lacks any slots for
either internal or external-type cards? {hint: color of H2O on a certain
beach...}
I.e. - USB or Ethernet connections
I see some Belkin gadget, for $50 or so: F5D6050 - but is that the best bet?
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Re: Slightly OT 802.11 question
On Mar 12, 2005, at 10:01 AM, David Lesher wrote:
What's available to add 802.11 to a OS9 unit that lacks any slots for
either internal or external-type cards? {hint: color of H2O on a
certain beach...}
Netgear and D-link both make external 802.11b and g bridge for the
ethernet port; that's your best bet. In my experience the USB 802.11
adapters have all been pretty poor performers. The only thing they have
going for them is they don't need a power supply.
However, if you're talking about a bondi iBook, they take internal
Airport cards. You just have to get the pricier, out-of-production
original Aiport cards, about $60-$80.
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Getting zip files to be opened by system
Sort of OT - but it is on my PB 17 - The application associated with zip files somehow got changed to Zipit. I tried to change it back so that the system would unzip files when I double-click on them, but I can't find how to do that (and I couldn't figure out a google search that will get me the information I need). Only applications are listed as options in the open with selection in the get info box. I did change it to stuffit, which is better than zipit, but I'd rather not have an app open at all! Plus I'd like the neat zipper icons back. Am I missing something? Usually I'm the one who knows all the trivia about how to get the Mac to do what I want, but I just can't figure this one out. Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Getting zip files to be opened by system
on 12/03/05 13:59, Anne Judge at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sort of OT - but it is on my PB 17 - The application associated with zip files somehow got changed to Zipit. I tried to change it back so that the system would unzip files when I double-click on them, but I can't find how to do that (and I couldn't figure out a google search that will get me the information I need). Only applications are listed as options in the open with selection in the get info box. I did change it to stuffit, which is better than zipit, but I'd rather not have an app open at all! Plus I'd like the neat zipper icons back. Am I missing something? Usually I'm the one who knows all the trivia about how to get the Mac to do what I want, but I just can't figure this one out. Try associating them with Stuffit Expander. That's what I have. When I download one of these files, Stuffit Expander launches automatically, uncompress the file then quit quietly... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] case and paste n.: [from `cut and paste'] 1. The addition of a new feature to an existing system by selecting the code from an existing feature and pasting it in with minor changes. Common in telephony circles because most operations in a telephone switch are selected using case statements. Leads to software bloat. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Slightly OT 802.11 question
I must admit I was a bit surprised about how the original Airport card prices have risen, Are they now out of production althogether? ADi -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Slightly OT 802.11 question
on 12/03/05 14:34, Adrian Carter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit I was a bit surprised about how the original Airport card prices have risen, Are they now out of production althogether? I think that Apple stopped selling them, so that probably explains why AirPort Extreme cards are cheaper than the regular, older AirPort card. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] featurectomy /fee`ch*r-ek't*-mee/ n.: The act of removing a feature from a program. Featurectomies come in two flavors, the `righteous' and the `reluctant'. Righteous featurectomies are performed because the remover believes the program would be more elegant without the feature, or there is already an equivalent and better way to achieve the same end. (Doing so is not quite the same thing as removing a misfeature.) Reluctant featurectomies are performed to satisfy some external constraint such as code size or execution speed. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Getting zip files to be opened by system
You need to Get Info on a zip file, and change the Open With to BOMArchiveHelper (in /System/Library/CoreServices). Click Change All..., and confirm. Cheers, Ben On 13 Mar 2005, at 05:59, Anne Judge wrote: Sort of OT - but it is on my PB 17 - The application associated with zip files somehow got changed to Zipit. I tried to change it back so that the system would unzip files when I double-click on them, but I can't find how to do that (and I couldn't figure out a google search that will get me the information I need). Only applications are listed as options in the open with selection in the get info box. I did change it to stuffit, which is better than zipit, but I'd rather not have an app open at all! Plus I'd like the neat zipper icons back. Am I missing something? Usually I'm the one who knows all the trivia about how to get the Mac to do what I want, but I just can't figure this one out. Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Getting zip files to be opened by system
Stuffit Expander will open Zip files. I do it all the time. No muss no fuss. Jim On Mar 12, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Ben Dyer wrote: You need to Get Info on a zip file, and change the Open With to BOMArchiveHelper (in /System/Library/CoreServices). Click Change All..., and confirm. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Getting zip files to be opened by system
On Mar 12, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Ben Dyer wrote: You need to Get Info on a zip file, and change the Open With to BOMArchiveHelper (in /System/Library/CoreServices). Click Change All..., and confirm. On Mar 12, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Jim Dynes wrote: Stuffit Expander will open Zip files. I do it all the time. No muss no fuss. Jim Yeah, that's what I'd set after I lost the original setting, but I prefer having the system - now I know it's actually BOMArchiveHelper! - doing it. Plus I like zip files to have their own icon. Thanks, Ben - got it back the way I like it. :-) Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Ok. . .USB thought. . .
OK, I know this thread isn't completely on topic of G-Books, but hey, I did start thinking of it while using my Pismo system so here we go: I was thinking the other day of the limits USB has, in the department of just how many devices can be connected to one USB port. According to the facts, the limit is 127 devices. Who, may I ask, actually came up with that number?! Did someone in their garage actually connect 128 devices only to discover that the 128th device didn't work, therefore coming up with the 127 number? Let's say that you used the Belkin 7 port hub to do this. In theory, you'd need 18 hubs, giving you 126 ports; still short by one port. That also means you'd need 18 plugs, assuming ALL 126 devices are bus powered. Are these numbers really just a marketing gimmick? Anyway, this is really just me thinking out loud and nobody has to respond, but I'm still wondering about the reality and practicality of these numbers. Food for Thought. . . Zoltan THE BLUETOOTH (and WiFi) MASTER -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
on 12/03/05 18:19, Zoltan Batiz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I know this thread isn't completely on topic of G-Books, but hey, I did start thinking of it while using my Pismo system so here we go: I was thinking the other day of the limits USB has, in the department of just how many devices can be connected to one USB port. According to the facts, the limit is 127 devices. Who, may I ask, actually came up with that number?! Did someone in their garage actually connect 128 devices only to discover that the 128th device didn't work, therefore coming up with the 127 number? Let's say that you used the Belkin 7 port hub to do this. In theory, you'd need 18 hubs, giving you 126 ports; still short by one port. That also means you'd need 18 plugs, assuming ALL 126 devices are bus powered. Are these numbers really just a marketing gimmick? Anyway, this is really just me thinking out loud and nobody has to respond, but I'm still wondering about the reality and practicality of these numbers. Food for Thought. . . It's not an arbitrary number. It has to do with computer programming maths. For the same reason that memory comes in multiple of 64. 128, 256, 512, etc., and not 25, 50, 75. The root is the binary system that is the basic unit by which a computer can compute... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GIGO /gi:'goh/ [acronym]: 1. `Garbage In, Garbage Out' -- usually said in response to lusers who complain that a program didn't do the right thing when given imperfect input or otherwise mistreated in some way. Also commonly used to describe failures in human decision making due to faulty, incomplete, or imprecise data. 2. `Garbage In, Gospel Out': this more recent expansion is a sardonic comment on the tendency human beings have to put excessive trust in `computerized' data. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
On Mar 12, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 12/03/05 18:19, Zoltan Batiz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I know this thread isn't completely on topic of G-Books, but hey, I did start thinking of it while using my Pismo system so here we go: I was thinking the other day of the limits USB has, in the department of just how many devices can be connected to one USB port. According to the facts, the limit is 127 devices. Who, may I ask, actually came up with that number?! Did someone in their garage actually connect 128 devices only to discover that the 128th device didn't work, therefore coming up with the 127 number? Let's say that you used the Belkin 7 port hub to do this. In theory, you'd need 18 hubs, giving you 126 ports; still short by one port. That also means you'd need 18 plugs, assuming ALL 126 devices are bus powered. Are these numbers really just a marketing gimmick? Anyway, this is really just me thinking out loud and nobody has to respond, but I'm still wondering about the reality and practicality of these numbers. Food for Thought. . . It's not an arbitrary number. It has to do with computer programming maths. For the same reason that memory comes in multiple of 64. 128, 256, 512, etc., and not 25, 50, 75. The root is the binary system that is the basic unit by which a computer can compute... -Laurent. -- Oh ok, so what you are saying is that nobody actually tried connecting 127 devices to their system. Someone just came up with the number due to a mathematical formula? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
On 13 Mar 2005, at 11:16, Zoltan Batiz wrote: Oh ok, so what you are saying is that nobody actually tried connecting 127 devices to their system. Someone just came up with the number due to a mathematical formula? I'm no USB expert, but I strongly suspect the limitation comes from the way USB devices are addressed. Each device on the bus needs to have its own unique identifier, so that the host can exchange data with it. Due to whatever addressing scheme the designers of USB came up with, it's simply not possible to have more than 127 devices connected to a host at any given time. Cheers, Ben -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
on 12/03/05 19:16, Zoltan Batiz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 12, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 12/03/05 18:19, Zoltan Batiz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I know this thread isn't completely on topic of G-Books, but hey, I did start thinking of it while using my Pismo system so here we go: I was thinking the other day of the limits USB has, in the department of just how many devices can be connected to one USB port. According to the facts, the limit is 127 devices. Who, may I ask, actually came up with that number?! Did someone in their garage actually connect 128 devices only to discover that the 128th device didn't work, therefore coming up with the 127 number? Let's say that you used the Belkin 7 port hub to do this. In theory, you'd need 18 hubs, giving you 126 ports; still short by one port. That also means you'd need 18 plugs, assuming ALL 126 devices are bus powered. Are these numbers really just a marketing gimmick? Anyway, this is really just me thinking out loud and nobody has to respond, but I'm still wondering about the reality and practicality of these numbers. Food for Thought. . . It's not an arbitrary number. It has to do with computer programming maths. For the same reason that memory comes in multiple of 64. 128, 256, 512, etc., and not 25, 50, 75. The root is the binary system that is the basic unit by which a computer can compute... -Laurent. -- Oh ok, so what you are saying is that nobody actually tried connecting 127 devices to their system. Someone just came up with the number due to a mathematical formula? No, I'm not saying that. What might have happened is, in the protocol, they identified some kind of ways to represent the unique address of a device on the bus. In other words, the USB protocol is made of a set of commands, which are basically a series of 0s and 1s. In the protocol, they probably reserved 7 bits to represent the address, like 000. So, with 7 digits, if you try all combinations of 0s and 1s you can have, you will come to the total of 127 different combinations. I'm not an electrical or hardware engineer, I'm a software engineer, and I think that's why they came up with 127. Now, if you ask me why they choose 7 bits, then I wouldn't know. Maybe some restrictions on the electrical side, or in the chip that sends and receives those bits and convert them, I really don't know... Now, does that make more sense or did I make everything worst? -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] code police n.: [by analogy with George Orwell's `thought police'] A mythical team of Gestapo-like storm troopers that might burst into one's office and arrest one for violating programming style rules. May be used either seriously, to underline a claim that a particular style violation is dangerous, or ironically, to suggest that the practice under discussion is condemned mainly by anal-retentive weenies. Dike out that goto or the code police will get you! The ironic usage is perhaps more common. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
That is correct. USB uses 7-bit addressing = 128 devices, 1 of them is the computer = 127 devices. On 13/03/2005, at 13:07, Ben Dyer wrote: On 13 Mar 2005, at 11:16, Zoltan Batiz wrote: Oh ok, so what you are saying is that nobody actually tried connecting 127 devices to their system. Someone just came up with the number due to a mathematical formula? I'm no USB expert, but I strongly suspect the limitation comes from the way USB devices are addressed. Each device on the bus needs to have its own unique identifier, so that the host can exchange data with it. Due to whatever addressing scheme the designers of USB came up with, it's simply not possible to have more than 127 devices connected to a host at any given time. Cheers, Ben -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
Oh ok, so what you are saying is that nobody actually tried connecting 127 devices to their system. Someone just came up with the number due to a mathematical formula? Right. Actually, the number of USB devices on a bus is 128 (one is reserved for the host leaving only 127 available for peripheral devices). IIRC, hubs also count as one device. Putting 127 devices on one bus would be insane... You'd have so much overhead and competing packets that your practical bandwidth would be too low to do anything. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wireless USB adapter driver
I've found http://store.small-discount-kitchen-appliance.com/f5d6050.html but don't know much about it... -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
At 8:02 PM -0700 3/12/05, Andrew Kershaw wrote: Oh ok, so what you are saying is that nobody actually tried connecting 127 devices to their system. Someone just came up with the number due to a mathematical formula? Right. Actually, the number of USB devices on a bus is 128 (one is reserved for the host leaving only 127 available for peripheral devices). IIRC, hubs also count as one device. Putting 127 devices on one bus would be insane... You'd have so much overhead and competing packets that your practical bandwidth would be too low to do anything. Which is probably in part why the limit is 127. It's high enough to be unlikely to ever be reached in reality. Too often in the history of computers arbitrary limits have been set with the assumption that they would never be reached only to be reached and exceeded, by a lot. ie RAM, HD, optical disk size, network speeds, network nodes and so on. But USB is different in that even if one could hook up 127 devices and get practical use out of them it's just not likely to be done outside of a lab or something similar. BTW, a little quick math, to connect 127 devices you'd need 18 7-port hubs. That 127 number includes the 18 hubs. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
on 12/03/05 22:28, Clark Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 8:02 PM -0700 3/12/05, Andrew Kershaw wrote: Oh ok, so what you are saying is that nobody actually tried connecting 127 devices to their system. Someone just came up with the number due to a mathematical formula? Right. Actually, the number of USB devices on a bus is 128 (one is reserved for the host leaving only 127 available for peripheral devices). IIRC, hubs also count as one device. Putting 127 devices on one bus would be insane... You'd have so much overhead and competing packets that your practical bandwidth would be too low to do anything. Which is probably in part why the limit is 127. It's high enough to be unlikely to ever be reached in reality. Too often in the history of computers arbitrary limits have been set with the assumption that they would never be reached only to be reached and exceeded, by a lot. ie RAM, HD, optical disk size, network speeds, network nodes and so on. But USB is different in that even if one could hook up 127 devices and get practical use out of them it's just not likely to be done outside of a lab or something similar. Yep, limits to be exceeded. Did anybody remember who said, a few years ago, that nobody would ever need more than 640KB in a computer? ;-) -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fiber-seeking backhoe: [common among backbone ISP personnel] Any of a genus of large, disruptive machines which routinely cut critical backbone links, creating Internet outages and packet over air problems. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
At 10:32 PM -0500 3/12/05, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 12/03/05 22:28, Clark Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is probably in part why the limit is 127. It's high enough to be unlikely to ever be reached in reality. Too often in the history of computers arbitrary limits have been set with the assumption that they would never be reached only to be reached and exceeded, by a lot. ie RAM, HD, optical disk size, network speeds, network nodes and so on. But USB is different in that even if one could hook up 127 devices and get practical use out of them it's just not likely to be done outside of a lab or something similar. Yep, limits to be exceeded. Did anybody remember who said, a few years ago, that nobody would ever need more than 640KB in a computer? ;-) Or 2,4, 120 Gb. We still haven't run into 200Tb (well at least most of us haven't). -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
..and now I have 128 Megs on my keychainand It was I think Billy boy, but I cant be sure.. On Mar 12, 2005, at 19:32, Laurent Daudelin wrote: Yep, limits to be exceeded. Did anybody remember who said, a few years ago, that nobody would ever need more than 640KB in a computer? ;-) -Laurent. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
on 12/03/05 23:17, Jason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..and now I have 128 Megs on my keychainand It was I think Billy boy, but I cant be sure.. On Mar 12, 2005, at 19:32, Laurent Daudelin wrote: Yep, limits to be exceeded. Did anybody remember who said, a few years ago, that nobody would ever need more than 640KB in a computer? ;-) -Laurent. That was exactly him! Billy Boy! -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Heuristics are bug ridden by definition. If they didn't have bugs, then they'd be algorithms. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Ok. . .USB thought. . .
On 13/03/2005, at 2:32 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: [snip] Yep, limits to be exceeded. Did anybody remember who said, a few years ago, that nobody would ever need more than 640KB in a computer? ;-) Urban legend. Bill Gates, 1981. Refuted, 1996. Used to be on urbanmyths.com when that still existed, and nobody's come up with an authorative cite for it that I know of - not that Google and 10 seconds worth of looking exactly counts as exhaustive. http://tafkac.org/celebrities/bill.gates/gates_memory.html -Laurent. -- === = Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelin http://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fiber-seeking backhoe: [common among backbone ISP personnel] Any of a genus of large, disruptive machines which routinely cut critical backbone links, creating Internet outages and packet over air problems. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Handheld Scanners
I apologize if this has been asked and answered, but I can't seem to find info anywhere: does anyone have experience using a handheld or pen or wand scanner with their powerbook? I'm thinking of a pen scanner you can use to scan text from a book right into a powerbook. I'm on a 15 1 GHz G4 and can't figure out if I can use one of these things. Thanks BR -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Handheld Scanners
On Mar 12, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Junk wrote: I apologize if this has been asked and answered, but I can't seem to find info anywhere: does anyone have experience using a handheld or pen or wand scanner with their powerbook? I'm thinking of a pen scanner you can use to scan text from a book right into a powerbook. I'm on a 15 1 GHz G4 and can't figure out if I can use one of these things. Take a look at IRISPen scanners: http://www.irisusa.com/products/irispen/index.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
