Re: 8500 not installing

[Van Turner]

on 09/20/2002 7:18 PM, Greg Burkman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 20/09/2002 17:07, "Clark Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> 9.1 is fine with a 7500, that's what I'm using.  More than likely the
>> 9.1 isn't the retail version but a machine specific version.  If so
>> it is designed to only install on a select group of machines,
>> including the machine it came with.
> 
> Seconded. I set a friend up with a beige G3 that was given to him, and
> that's the problem we ran into with 8.1.
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> 
OS 9.1 installed fine on my 7500, too. But not on the 8500. I bought OS 9.1
from Apple directly. It did not come on the machine. It couldn't have. The
7500 and 8500 machines came with 7.5 or so. I've had 9.1 install on the 7500
with a Sonnet Processor installed - on a clean hard drive! I won't tell if
you won't. ;-)
Someone suggested that it could be an LED problem? The little connector on
the board that the LED cable plugs into is bent up slightly. Is this a bad
thing?


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Re: 8500 not installing

[David M Kiely]

Let me get this straight, Van. You say you can install 8.1, right? But that
9.1 won't do a clean install.  What if you were to hack your 8.1 System
Folder with ResEdit (Finder, System and System Resources) and fool the
installer into believing you already had OS 9.0 on board? Worth a try.

> Actually, I just realized that I posted this thread to the wrong list. Oops.
> When I boot up to the 9.1 cd to install the software on a clean hard drive,
> the installer script tells me that it doesn't recognize the computer, to
> please use the software that came with it. OS 8.1 installs on a clean hard
> drive from the installer cd (while booted up to the cd) just fine.
> I built this machine from the ground up. It's in a 7500 box to make
> installing components easier. I have an 8500 mainboard and A/V module,
> 150Mhz 604 processor (not sure if it's 604e), 64MB RAM on 4 16MB DIMMs
> interleaved, a 1GB Quantum HD, 4X Matshita CD ROM drive, PM7500 power
> supply, and no cards in any of the slots. Just about factory specs, right?
> I could install it via network, if I wanted. I just wanna know why OS 9.1
> doesn't recognize this computer.
> 


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Re: 8500 not installing

[Greg Burkman]

On 20/09/2002 17:07, "Clark Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> 9.1 is fine with a 7500, that's what I'm using.  More than likely the
> 9.1 isn't the retail version but a machine specific version.  If so
> it is designed to only install on a select group of machines,
> including the machine it came with.

Seconded. I set a friend up with a beige G3 that was given to him, and
that's the problem we ran into with 8.1.
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Re: 8500 not installing

[Clark Martin]

At 6:58 PM -0500 9/20/2002, Van Turner wrote:
>on 09/20/2002 9:44 AM, David M Kiely at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>  I stand corrected, Clark. Again, maybe Van Turner can enlighten us as to his
>>  problem
>>
>>>  There hasn't been a full install version of a MacOS that required
>>>  any prior version of the OS to be installed first or that couldn't
>>>  install over any other version (assuming the machine can use the new
>>>  OS version).  The installer usually requires a minimum OS version to
>>>  run on.  OS 9.0 installer requires OS 8.5 or 8.6 or better to run but
>>>  you can always boot from the OS 9 disk to do it.  You can install
>>>  directly to OS 9.1 if you have a 9.1 installer.
>>
>Actually, I just realized that I posted this thread to the wrong list. Oops.
>When I boot up to the 9.1 cd to install the software on a clean hard drive,
>the installer script tells me that it doesn't recognize the computer, to
>please use the software that came with it. OS 8.1 installs on a clean hard
>drive from the installer cd (while booted up to the cd) just fine.
>I built this machine from the ground up. It's in a 7500 box to make
>installing components easier. I have an 8500 mainboard and A/V module,
>150Mhz 604 processor (not sure if it's 604e), 64MB RAM on 4 16MB DIMMs
>interleaved, a 1GB Quantum HD, 4X Matshita CD ROM drive, PM7500 power
>supply, and no cards in any of the slots. Just about factory specs, right?
>I could install it via network, if I wanted. I just wanna know why OS 9.1
>doesn't recognize this computer.


9.1 is fine with a 7500, that's what I'm using.  More than likely the 
9.1 isn't the retail version but a machine specific version.  If so 
it is designed to only install on a select group of machines, 
including the machine it came with.


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Re: 8500 not installing

[Van Turner]

on 09/20/2002 9:44 AM, David M Kiely at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I stand corrected, Clark. Again, maybe Van Turner can enlighten us as to his
> problem 
> 
>> There hasn't been a full install version of a MacOS that required
>> any prior version of the OS to be installed first or that couldn't
>> install over any other version (assuming the machine can use the new
>> OS version).  The installer usually requires a minimum OS version to
>> run on.  OS 9.0 installer requires OS 8.5 or 8.6 or better to run but
>> you can always boot from the OS 9 disk to do it.  You can install
>> directly to OS 9.1 if you have a 9.1 installer.
> 
Actually, I just realized that I posted this thread to the wrong list. Oops.
When I boot up to the 9.1 cd to install the software on a clean hard drive,
the installer script tells me that it doesn't recognize the computer, to
please use the software that came with it. OS 8.1 installs on a clean hard
drive from the installer cd (while booted up to the cd) just fine.
I built this machine from the ground up. It's in a 7500 box to make
installing components easier. I have an 8500 mainboard and A/V module,
150Mhz 604 processor (not sure if it's 604e), 64MB RAM on 4 16MB DIMMs
interleaved, a 1GB Quantum HD, 4X Matshita CD ROM drive, PM7500 power
supply, and no cards in any of the slots. Just about factory specs, right?
I could install it via network, if I wanted. I just wanna know why OS 9.1
doesn't recognize this computer.


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Re: 8500 not installing

[Dan K]

7500, 8500, 7600, 8600 and 7300 use a jumper on the power LED connector 
to specify which machine it actually is. While I don't know the details 
of which pins correspond with which ID, is it possible your 8500's LED 
got switched with 7600's LED? Or your power LED is missing or not 
connected?

As for your installer troubles, it doesn't matter 7600 vs. 8500 to the 
installer as both are supported by both 8.1 and 9.1, but it sounds like 
the actual mach(ine) ID isn't set correctly and that is probably your 
problem.

Find and DL the control panel "machidwannabe" or "machid wannabe" 
(google'll getya), and use it to set your mach id to 069 (8500/8600). 
This little bit of fakery works only with the control panel loaded, so 
booting from a CD for the install won't work (unless of course the cp is 
on the CD.)

This cp works on all Macs running < osX of course, including G3 and G4 
PowerBooks! [obligatory on-topic content!]

For more info on _your_ Mac than you ever imagined you'd need, google and 
DL "GestLab".

hth,

Dan K

On 9/20/02 Van Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Put a new PRAM battery in it. Got it to install OS 8.1 without any problem.
>Still won't install 9.1. Same error as before. The installer script doesn't
>recognize the computer.
>Curious thing. The Apple System Profiler sees the 8500 as a 7600 series. Is
>this right? Is the 8500 counted as a 7600 series computer? 

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Re: 8500 not installing

[David M Kiely]

I stand corrected, Clark. Again, maybe Van Turner can enlighten us as to his
problem 
 
> There hasn't been a full install version of a MacOS that required
> any prior version of the OS to be installed first or that couldn't
> install over any other version (assuming the machine can use the new
> OS version).  The installer usually requires a minimum OS version to
> run on.  OS 9.0 installer requires OS 8.5 or 8.6 or better to run but
> you can always boot from the OS 9 disk to do it.  You can install
> directly to OS 9.1 if you have a 9.1 installer.


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Re: 8500 not installing

[Clark Martin]

At 10:23 AM +0100 9/20/2002, David M Kiely wrote:
>Hmm, I seem to have jumped midway into this thread. Do I understand that
>you're trying to install 9.1 over 8.1? It's been a long time since I used OS
>8x but if memory serves, you have to update to OS 9.0 before installing 9.1.
>At any rate, you need to update to 8.6 before doing anything with OS 9x.
>
>Apologies for all the numbers but I can't express this any other way :)
>
>>  Put a new PRAM battery in it. Got it to install OS 8.1 without any problem.
>>  Still won't install 9.1. Same error as before. The installer script doesn't
>>  recognize the computer.
>>  Curious thing. The Apple System Profiler sees the 8500 as a 7600 series. Is
>  > this right? Is the 8500 counted as a 7600 series computer?


There hasn't been a full install version of a MacOS that required 
any prior version of the OS to be installed first or that couldn't 
install over any other version (assuming the machine can use the new 
OS version).  The installer usually requires a minimum OS version to 
run on.  OS 9.0 installer requires OS 8.5 or 8.6 or better to run but 
you can always boot from the OS 9 disk to do it.  You can install 
directly to OS 9.1 if you have a 9.1 installer.
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Re: 8500 not installing

[David M Kiely]

Ah, nostalgia! Yes, this brings it all back. But wasn't it the case that you
had to update 8.0 to 9.0 before you could install 9.1? Perhaps Mr Turner can
be more specific? 

> I had an 8100 once and I successfully installed OS 9 on it over  OS 8.1
> using the OS 9.0.4 CD. You don't have to upgrade to 8.6 before you can
> upgrade to OS 9.
> 
> On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 04:23  AM, David M Kiely wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, I seem to have jumped midway into this thread. Do I understand
>> that
>> you're trying to install 9.1 over 8.1? It's been a long time since I
>> used OS
>> 8x but if memory serves, you have to update to OS 9.0 before
>> installing 9.1.
>> At any rate, you need to update to 8.6 before doing anything with OS
>> 9x.
> 


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Re: 8500 not installing

[Luca Rescigno]

I had an 8100 once and I successfully installed OS 9 on it over  OS 8.1 
using the OS 9.0.4 CD. You don't have to upgrade to 8.6 before you can 
upgrade to OS 9.

On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 04:23  AM, David M Kiely wrote:

> Hmm, I seem to have jumped midway into this thread. Do I understand 
> that
> you're trying to install 9.1 over 8.1? It's been a long time since I 
> used OS
> 8x but if memory serves, you have to update to OS 9.0 before 
> installing 9.1.
> At any rate, you need to update to 8.6 before doing anything with OS 
> 9x.


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Re: 8500 not installing

[David M Kiely]

Hmm, I seem to have jumped midway into this thread. Do I understand that
you're trying to install 9.1 over 8.1? It's been a long time since I used OS
8x but if memory serves, you have to update to OS 9.0 before installing 9.1.
At any rate, you need to update to 8.6 before doing anything with OS 9x.

Apologies for all the numbers but I can't express this any other way :)

> Put a new PRAM battery in it. Got it to install OS 8.1 without any problem.
> Still won't install 9.1. Same error as before. The installer script doesn't
> recognize the computer.
> Curious thing. The Apple System Profiler sees the 8500 as a 7600 series. Is
> this right? Is the 8500 counted as a 7600 series computer?
> 


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8500 not installing

[Van Turner]

Put a new PRAM battery in it. Got it to install OS 8.1 without any problem.
Still won't install 9.1. Same error as before. The installer script doesn't
recognize the computer.
Curious thing. The Apple System Profiler sees the 8500 as a 7600 series. Is
this right? Is the 8500 counted as a 7600 series computer? 


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