Re: 99% charge

[Tim Gilman]

>Hal at 11/7/02 (maybe):
>Anyone had luck with resetting the power manager to try to
>fix this?

I've got a Pismo/500, and when I first installed 10.2 I got the same
behavior where the battery indicator said "Calculating...".

However, a few weeks ago it stopped, and now when the battery is fully
charged the indicator just says "100%".

Maybe discharging/recharging your battery might do something good.
That's pretty much all I've done.

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Re: 99% charge

[Hal]

Anyone had luck with resetting the power manager to try to fix this?

On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 09:05 PM, P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo 
wrote:

> On 11/2/2002 2:20 PM Kevin Stevens at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 12:52 US/Pacific, Peter Graening wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to chime on on this, because it's been happening to me too.
>>> It's
>>> mostly a cosmetic flaw, as far as I can tell. It is distracting to 
>>> see
>>> "Calculating..." when the battery is at 100% and isn't charging, so 
>>> it
>>> should say "Plugged In."  However, Kevin says he's on a Pismo 500.
>>> Jim was
>>> on a 400.  I'm on a 400.  Could there be some teeny-tiny difference
>>> between
>>> the two?  It is a bit disturbing, but not a life-or-death issue...


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Re: 99% charge

[P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo]

On 11/2/2002 2:20 PM Kevin Stevens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

>On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 12:52 US/Pacific, Peter Graening wrote:
>
>> I'm going to chime on on this, because it's been happening to me too.  
>> It's
>> mostly a cosmetic flaw, as far as I can tell. It is distracting to see
>> "Calculating..." when the battery is at 100% and isn't charging, so it
>> should say "Plugged In."  However, Kevin says he's on a Pismo 500.  
>> Jim was
>> on a 400.  I'm on a 400.  Could there be some teeny-tiny difference 
>> between
>> the two?  It is a bit disturbing, but not a life-or-death issue...
>
>Mac OS X 10.2.1 (6D52)
>
>Boot ROM 4.1.8f5
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I'm also on a Pismo 400, same issue: the battery monitor never finishes 
calculating. My Pismo is also Mac OS X 10.2.1 (6D52), Boot ROM 4.1.8f5 
(fun with Apple System Profiler), so there must be something else going 
on.

Turtle-Bear

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Re: 99% charge

[James Rohde]

On 11/2/02 Tony Jayms put electrons to ether and said:

>I think if you allow it to discharge a bit - to about 94% I seem to 
>remember - and then charge again the battery will come back to 100%.
>
>I tend to let it run down to the red sleep warning occasionally and 
>then fully charge the battery.

I think you're getting NiCad (nickel cadmium - older type) batteries 
confused with LiIon (Lithium Ion - more recent type) batteries. NiCad 
batteries might need that, but as I understand it, LiIon batteries don't 
have the "memory" effect common to NiCads, and in fact only have a 
certain number of recharges available in their lifetime.

So the software monitoring the battery might have a glitch in it around 
99%, but the battery does *not* have the "memory effect" - you're kidding 
yourself if you think otherwise, IMHO.

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Re: 99% charge

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On 11/2/02 Hal put electrons to ether and said:

>This seems to be a pismo specific problem. I have a pismo (500) and an 
>icebook (600/combo) and when the ibook is fully charges, it changes 
>from the time (or calculating) to (Plugged In). It says calculating 
>just for a few seconds

Must just be some Pismos (as in Jaguar, since I'm running 9.2.2), as my 
(400 MHz, with 384MB RAM and stock 10GB drive) PB goes almost instantly 
from the adapter to the charge remaining time on my control strip 
readout. Don't recall that I've ever seen the "calculating" that you 
folks are discussing. When I switch back from battery to the AC 
adapter/charger, it takes a few minutes for the lightning bolt on the 
battery icon in the menubar to go away and for the icon in the CSM to 
switch from the lightning bolt'ed battery to the A/C adapter (inside of 
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Re: 99% charge

[Kevin Stevens]

On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 12:52 US/Pacific, Peter Graening wrote:

> I'm going to chime on on this, because it's been happening to me too.  
> It's
> mostly a cosmetic flaw, as far as I can tell. It is distracting to see
> "Calculating..." when the battery is at 100% and isn't charging, so it
> should say "Plugged In."  However, Kevin says he's on a Pismo 500.  
> Jim was
> on a 400.  I'm on a 400.  Could there be some teeny-tiny difference 
> between
> the two?  It is a bit disturbing, but not a life-or-death issue...

Mac OS X 10.2.1 (6D52)

Boot ROM 4.1.8f5

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Re: 99% charge

[Peter Graening]

I'm going to chime on on this, because it's been happening to me too.  It's
mostly a cosmetic flaw, as far as I can tell. It is distracting to see
"Calculating..." when the battery is at 100% and isn't charging, so it
should say "Plugged In."  However, Kevin says he's on a Pismo 500.  Jim was
on a 400.  I'm on a 400.  Could there be some teeny-tiny difference between
the two?  It is a bit disturbing, but not a life-or-death issue...

Peter

> 
> On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 09:55 US/Pacific, George Gunderson wrote:
>> It *never* says anything other than "Calculating..." when I have the
>> menu bar show the time.  That's why I generally have it set to percent.
>>   That is correct.  It shows a correct time when the battery is
>> discharging, but when I plug it in...calculating.  Oh well, it
>> generally doesn't matter for me to know how long it will take to charge
>> up, but it is important for me to know how much life it has left when
>> I'm going portable.
>> 
>> GmG
> 
> Works here, Pismo 500.  Disconnected from power at the start of this
> thread, plugged in a few messages ago (Calculating)... several
> seconds... (0:05)...several minutes... (Plugged In).  Change to show
> percent, shows (100%).
> 
> FWIW.
> 
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Re: 99% charge

[Kevin Stevens]

On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 09:55 US/Pacific, George Gunderson wrote:
> It *never* says anything other than "Calculating..." when I have the
> menu bar show the time.  That's why I generally have it set to percent.
>   That is correct.  It shows a correct time when the battery is
> discharging, but when I plug it in...calculating.  Oh well, it
> generally doesn't matter for me to know how long it will take to charge
> up, but it is important for me to know how much life it has left when
> I'm going portable.
>
> GmG

Works here, Pismo 500.  Disconnected from power at the start of this 
thread, plugged in a few messages ago (Calculating)... several 
seconds... (0:05)...several minutes... (Plugged In).  Change to show 
percent, shows (100%).

FWIW.

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Re: 99% charge

[Tony Jayms]

At 12:55 -0500 2/11/02, George Gunderson wrote:
>but it is important for me to know how much life it has left when 
>I'm going portable.

Does it not give you a read-out of time left when it is unplugged 
from the mains?
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Re: 99% charge

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on 02/11/02 09:15, George Gunderson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 08:26 US/Eastern, Jim Freeman wrote:
> 
>> For the past couple of days my Pismo has been showing a 99% charge even
>> though I leave it plugged in all the time. What happened to 100%?
>> 
> My PowerBook won't show a "time until charged," just "Calculating..."
> It seems to have happened recently, so maybe it's a Jaguar thing?

I think it's a bug in Jaguar. It is able to guess the remaining time or
power when running off the battery, and when plugged in, how many time
before the battery is fully charged, but it seems it's too shy of displaying
the charge being at 100%

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Re: 99% charge

[George Gunderson]

On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 11:02 US/Eastern, Tony Jayms wrote:

> At 10:55 -0500 2/11/02, George Gunderson wrote:
>> Heh, my battery has been at 100% for two hours now and it still shows
>> "Calculating..."
>
> Well if it is 100% charged it can't go to 101% can it :-) The CPU is
> using cycling all the time don't forget so it will always be
> calculating.
>
> If you allow the battery charge to drop it does calculate the time
> till full, honest ;-)

It *never* says anything other than "Calculating..." when I have the 
menu bar show the time.  That's why I generally have it set to percent. 
  That is correct.  It shows a correct time when the battery is 
discharging, but when I plug it in...calculating.  Oh well, it 
generally doesn't matter for me to know how long it will take to charge 
up, but it is important for me to know how much life it has left when 
I'm going portable.

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Re: 99% charge

[Hal]

This seems to be a pismo specific problem. I have a pismo (500) and an 
icebook (600/combo) and when the ibook is fully charges, it changes 
from the time (or calculating) to (Plugged In). It says calculating 
just for a few seconds

just my $0.02.

On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 08:02 AM, Tony Jayms wrote:

> At 10:55 -0500 2/11/02, George Gunderson wrote:
>> Heh, my battery has been at 100% for two hours now and it still shows
>> "Calculating..."
>
> Well if it is 100% charged it can't go to 101% can it :-) The CPU is
> using cycling all the time don't forget so it will always be
> calculating.
>
> If you allow the battery charge to drop it does calculate the time
> till full, honest ;-)
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Re: 99% charge

[Tony Jayms]

At 10:55 -0500 2/11/02, George Gunderson wrote:
>Heh, my battery has been at 100% for two hours now and it still shows
>"Calculating..."

Well if it is 100% charged it can't go to 101% can it :-) The CPU is 
using cycling all the time don't forget so it will always be 
calculating.

If you allow the battery charge to drop it does calculate the time 
till full, honest ;-)
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Re: 99% charge

[George Gunderson]

On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 10:41 US/Eastern, Tony Jayms wrote:

> At 9:15 -0500 2/11/02, George Gunderson wrote:
>> My PowerBook won't show a "time until charged," just "Calculating..."
>> It seems to have happened recently, so maybe it's a Jaguar thing?
> It does show a time until charged, it just takes a while to calculate 
> :-)
>

Heh, my battery has been at 100% for two hours now and it still shows 
"Calculating..."

Maybe it's just me ;-)

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Re: 99% charge

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At 9:15 -0500 2/11/02, George Gunderson wrote:
>My PowerBook won't show a "time until charged," just "Calculating..."
>It seems to have happened recently, so maybe it's a Jaguar thing?
It does show a time until charged, it just takes a while to calculate :-)
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Re: 99% charge

[Tony Jayms]

At 8:26 -0500 2/11/02, Jim Freeman wrote:
>For the past couple of days my Pismo has been showing a 99% charge even
>though I leave it plugged in all the time. What happened to 100%?
I think if you allow it to discharge a bit - to about 94% I seem to 
remember - and then charge again the battery will come back to 100%.

I tend to let it run down to the red sleep warning occasionally and 
then fully charge the battery.

I also turn the screen brightness down and this allows a longer life 
when mobile.
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Re: 99% charge

[George Gunderson]

On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 08:26 US/Eastern, Jim Freeman wrote:

> For the past couple of days my Pismo has been showing a 99% charge even
> though I leave it plugged in all the time. What happened to 100%?
>
My PowerBook won't show a "time until charged," just "Calculating..."  
It seems to have happened recently, so maybe it's a Jaguar thing?

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99% charge

[Jim Freeman]

For the past couple of days my Pismo has been showing a 99% charge even 
though I leave it plugged in all the time. What happened to 100%?

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