Re: Buying a Pismo
Keith, I know where you are at; I was in this position about a year ago. You can buy on eBay reasonably safely - I did it from overseas even. Learn how to use it. The best feature of eBay is the seller feedback rating, which sellers are very concerned to keep as high as possible. You have ninety days after the purchase to leave feedback for the seller. Most sellers are very happy to please. Also you can get an idea of the current prices by doing an advanced search for completed items; that will let you know if its in your range. There are good Pismos going on eBay regularly. If you are not in a rush, you will find a near new unit. To get some extra life you might also like to upgrade to G4 550 MHz which costs ~ 300. Happy with my Daystar upgrade, even if the fan is running more often. Good luck. On 09/05/2005, at 7:10 AM, Keith wrote: What I would really like to do, instead of buying a new PowerBook or iBook, is buy another Pismo. That way I can keep using all this stuff I've invested in over the years, and also stick with a familiar machine. So my question is, are there any Pismos still available for sale anywhere? Ideally I'd like a new machine that's just been sitting in somebody's warehouse all these years but I figure that's pretty much a pipe dream. So I guess I'm probably looking at used machines. The problem is I have no clue about buying a used computer--how do I make sure I'm not getting one that's just as beat up as the one I have? Anybody got any ideas? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Buying a Pismo
Stuart Saunders wrote: Keith, I know where you are at; I was in this position about a year ago. You can buy on eBay reasonably safely - I did it from overseas even. Learn how to use it. The best feature of eBay is the seller feedback rating, which sellers are very concerned to keep as high as possible. You have ninety days after the purchase to leave feedback for the seller. Most sellers are very happy to please. Also you can get an idea of the current prices by doing an advanced search for completed items; that will let you know if its in your range. There are good Pismos going on eBay regularly. If you are not in a rush, you will find a near new unit. To get some extra life you might also like to upgrade to G4 550 MHz which costs ~ 300. Happy with my Daystar upgrade, even if the fan is running more often. Good luck. On 09/05/2005, at 7:10 AM, Keith wrote: What I would really like to do, instead of buying a new PowerBook or iBook, is buy another Pismo. That way I can keep using all this stuff I've invested in over the years, and also stick with a familiar machine. So my question is, are there any Pismos still available for sale anywhere? Ideally I'd like a new machine that's just been sitting in somebody's warehouse all these years but I figure that's pretty much a pipe dream. So I guess I'm probably looking at used machines. The problem is I have no clue about buying a used computer--how do I make sure I'm not getting one that's just as beat up as the one I have? Anybody got any ideas? I bought my Pismo off ebay, had a G4 500 upgrade and a gig of ram, 60 gig hd and an original manual, 2 batteries, both crap, and a great case for $600 has a couple of small cracks in the plastic and the pink tint on start up. I bought a bookendz docking station and an 8x internal superdrive and while not a screamer I am very satisfied. Kevin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Buying a Pismo
There are also plenty of used Mac dealers like Wegener media and others who often have near-mint older PowerBooks with a warranty, though you will pay a bit more than eBay. Andrew -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Saunders Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:58 PM To: G-Books Subject: Re: Buying a Pismo Keith, I know where you are at; I was in this position about a year ago. You can buy on eBay reasonably safely - I did it from overseas even. Learn how to use it. The best feature of eBay is the seller feedback rating, which sellers are very concerned to keep as high as possible. You have ninety days after the purchase to leave feedback for the seller. Most sellers are very happy to please. Also you can get an idea of the current prices by doing an advanced search for completed items; that will let you know if its in your range. There are good Pismos going on eBay regularly. If you are not in a rush, you will find a near new unit. To get some extra life you might also like to upgrade to G4 550 MHz which costs ~ 300. Happy with my Daystar upgrade, even if the fan is running more often. Good luck. On 09/05/2005, at 7:10 AM, Keith wrote: What I would really like to do, instead of buying a new PowerBook or iBook, is buy another Pismo. That way I can keep using all this stuff I've invested in over the years, and also stick with a familiar machine. So my question is, are there any Pismos still available for sale anywhere? Ideally I'd like a new machine that's just been sitting in somebody's warehouse all these years but I figure that's pretty much a pipe dream. So I guess I'm probably looking at used machines. The problem is I have no clue about buying a used computer--how do I make sure I'm not getting one that's just as beat up as the one I have? Anybody got any ideas? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Buying a Pismo
I have a nice Pismo that I might sell if you are interested. Contact me off list and we can see what we can do. Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
I had a delve into the issue of lithium battery life when my G4 550MHz battery went on the blink last autumn. You may find this interesting... http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm Also, there's an applecare article on this, and it contradicts what's been largely agreed on this list and what the above link says: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=10970 Recharge Lithium-ion batteries when they become depleted. Although they are not subject to the memory effect, it is suggested that you let the battery drain fully before recharging. Sorry Apple, I think this suggestion is wrong. I remember this was a hot topic about one year ago. The final message came from an engineer on the list. He supported what is on this batteryuniversity.com web page. If your laptop sits on your desk plugged in for most of the time, discharge your battery to _40%_ and stick it in the fridge. For lithium-ion batteries, this is the best way to preserve them when not in use. (mine is next to the vegetables right now, but in its own ziplock bag :) Ryan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
My battery's capacity has really gone down hill. here's what I checked
out the battery...
IOBatteryInfo =
({Capacity=1,Amperage=1200,Current=0,Voltage=0,Flags=83886
0931},{Capacity=366,Amperage=1200,Current=364,Voltage=12099,Fla
gs=838860805})
Would anyone like to interpret this for me? Thanks. :)
On Feb 7, 2004, at 8:23 PM, Dan K wrote:
Your Mac guru is correct with respect to nimh and nicad batteries but
wrong when it comes to LiIon batteries which lose significant life
every
time they're fully discharged. Every few weeks would is certainly
overkill. That said, it can be useful to occasionally calibrate LiIon
batteries.
The best advice I've seen for maximizing LiIon battery runtime, as
posted
to usenet by Peter (whose last name escapes me at this moment):
--
(Peter's Trickle Calibration)
1. charge fully and then some
2. in terminal,
ioreg -p IODeviceTree -n battery -w0 | grep Bat
(make a note of your Capacity -- should be around 4000 or more)
sudo pmset -b spindown 1 sleep 0 reduce 1 dim 1
(prevents idle-sleep, and after 1 idle minute spins down your disk,
reduces your processor speed, and turns off the LCD when on battery)
(Maybe in Panther you can do that without pmset, but Jaguar is
broken)
3. shut down all applications. turn off airport,
disconnect anything external -- keyborad, mouse, printers,
and finally, power.
4. LEAVE IT ALONE -- DO NOT TOUCH IT
5. W A I T (5 hours or more ...)
6. eventually your notebook will go to sleep
7. plug it in. wait 3 minutes. (mebbe 5 to be sure :-)
8. ioreg -p IODeviceTree -n battery -w0 | grep Bat
(Has it re-evaluated your Capacity?)
9. leave it alone and let it charge fully.
10. if the Capacity changed significantly, you might want to repeat
the calibration cycle.
11. Adjust your battery-power management settings to make it sleep
at a more reasonable time.
Note -- *calibration* means helping the battery's firmware estimate the
battery's capacity.
--markemmanuel
___t_h_e_w_o_l_f_p_u_p_._c_o_m_.
Markemmanuel F. Rodriguez
http://www.thewolfpup.com/
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Subject: Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
I did an extensive check of prices about 5 months ago, and got mine from Batteries.com. Very satisfied. On a related thread, I saw something on another list about being able to replace the cells in a Pismo battery. Anyone know from whom you'd buy the cells, and what the process is? --David Stephenson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
I had a delve into the issue of lithium battery life when my G4 550MHz battery went on the blink last autumn. You may find this interesting... http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm Also, there's an applecare article on this, and it contradicts what's been largely agreed on this list and what the above link says: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=10970 Recharge Lithium-ion batteries when they become depleted. Although they are not subject to the memory effect, it is suggested that you let the battery drain fully before recharging. Sorry Apple, I think this suggestion is wrong. Cheers, Stephen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
On 2/8/04 11:11 AM, Clark Martin wrote: Where available a utility like Apple Battery Reset is a much better approach. I thought ABR only worked on models *before* the Pismo - ? Jim Rohde -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
Interesting. I've heard this before, but in my case, keeping the Ti plugged in most of the time (almost always), I only recently noticed the battery is not staying charged for more than 60-75 minutes. Got the 400 during the middle period of their release so it's been a few years. Don Bruce Mitchell wrote: My Mac guru advises that it is wise not to keep a PB plugged in all the time but instead let the battery run down fully at least every few weeks, that doing so will actually enhance the life span of the battery. He seems to be correct, as with every PB I have owned I have had spare batteries for the other bay which get little use and they always die long before the main battery which I let wear down periodically. Bruce Mitchell on 2/6/04 6:09 PM, Richard Matteson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, For what it's worth, I too recently purchased a NewerTech 6600mAh battery for my Pismo from Other World Computing. I haven't had it long enough to check the actual working time on a charge, but the Battery Status Indicator shows 4:06 at 99% capacity (it showed 4:57 at 100% capacity when I first unplugged the power adapter and seems to be all over the place, especially after a short period of inactivity or a sleep period.) It will be a while before I know how accurate this is because I use the 'Book plugged in most of the time. If I get a good read of the time sooner, I'll post with the current subject. Rick Matteson 400mHz Pismo, 1GB RAM, 40MB Hitachi HD -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
on 2/7/04 3:07 AM, Tim Hodgson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 07 Feb 2004 5:50 am, Bruce Mitchell wrote: My Mac guru advises that it is wise not to keep a PB plugged in all the time but instead let the battery run down fully at least every few weeks, that doing so will actually enhance the life span of the battery. He seems to be correct, as with every PB I have owned I have had spare batteries for the other bay which get little use and they always die long before the main battery which I let wear down periodically. This depends on which type of battery you're talking about. I think what you say is correct for Ni-Cads, but my understanding is that the life of Li-on batteries, as used in the pismo, is determined by the number of 'deep discharges', i.e. running the battery down fully. So it's better _not_ to let it run down fully any more than you have to. Sorry I can't provide a source for this claim; my PB, containing the relevant URL, is being fixed by Apple at the moment! TimH My Lombard also uses Li-on so that's what he was talking about. Is there anyone else out there truly knowledgeable on this subject who can advise us correctly? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
Bruce: I've heard the same and I regularly run my battery down as well these days. ... e On Feb 7, 2004, at 12:50 AM, Bruce Mitchell wrote: My Mac guru advises that it is wise not to keep a PB plugged in all the time but instead let the battery run down fully at least every few weeks, that doing so will actually enhance the life span of the battery. He seems to be correct, as with every PB I have owned I have had spare batteries for the other bay which get little use and they always die long before the main battery which I let wear down periodically. Bruce Mitchell on 2/6/04 6:09 PM, Richard Matteson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, For what it's worth, I too recently purchased a NewerTech 6600mAh battery for my Pismo from Other World Computing. I haven't had it long enough to check the actual working time on a charge, but the Battery Status Indicator shows 4:06 at 99% capacity (it showed 4:57 at 100% capacity when I first unplugged the power adapter and seems to be all over the place, especially after a short period of inactivity or a sleep period.) It will be a while before I know how accurate this is because I use the 'Book plugged in most of the time. If I get a good read of the time sooner, I'll post with the current subject. Rick Matteson 400mHz Pismo, 1GB RAM, 40MB Hitachi HD -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
On Saturday 07 Feb 2004 11:47 am, Bruce Mitchell wrote: My Lombard also uses Li-on so that's what he was talking about. Is there anyone else out there truly knowledgeable on this subject who can advise us correctly? I've found the reference I was thinking of; it's http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap10-page6.asp Here's an excerpt: The Li-ion batteries prefer a shallow discharge. Partial discharges produce less wear than a full discharge and the capacity loss per cycle is reduced. A periodic full discharge is not required because the lithium-based battery has no memory. A full cycle constitutes a discharge to 3V/cell. When specifying the number of cycles a lithium-based battery can endure, manufacturers commonly use an 80 percent depth of discharge. This method resembles a reasonably accurate field simulation. It also achieves a higher cycle count than doing full discharges. TimH -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
Bruce Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mac guru advises that it is wise not to keep a PB plugged in all the time but instead let the battery run down fully at least every few weeks, that doing so will actually enhance the life span of the battery. He seems to be correct, as with every PB I have owned I have had spare batteries for the other bay which get little use and they always die long before the main battery which I let wear down periodically. Your Mac guru is correct with respect to nimh and nicad batteries but wrong when it comes to LiIon batteries which lose significant life every time they're fully discharged. Every few weeks would is certainly overkill. That said, it can be useful to occasionally calibrate LiIon batteries. The best advice I've seen for maximizing LiIon battery runtime, as posted to usenet by Peter (whose last name escapes me at this moment): -- (Peter's Trickle Calibration) 1. charge fully and then some 2. in terminal, ioreg -p IODeviceTree -n battery -w0 | grep Bat (make a note of your Capacity -- should be around 4000 or more) sudo pmset -b spindown 1 sleep 0 reduce 1 dim 1 (prevents idle-sleep, and after 1 idle minute spins down your disk, reduces your processor speed, and turns off the LCD when on battery) (Maybe in Panther you can do that without pmset, but Jaguar is broken) 3. shut down all applications. turn off airport, disconnect anything external -- keyborad, mouse, printers, and finally, power. 4. LEAVE IT ALONE -- DO NOT TOUCH IT 5. W A I T (5 hours or more ...) 6. eventually your notebook will go to sleep 7. plug it in. wait 3 minutes. (mebbe 5 to be sure :-) 8. ioreg -p IODeviceTree -n battery -w0 | grep Bat (Has it re-evaluated your Capacity?) 9. leave it alone and let it charge fully. 10. if the Capacity changed significantly, you might want to repeat the calibration cycle. 11. Adjust your battery-power management settings to make it sleep at a more reasonable time. Note -- *calibration* means helping the battery's firmware estimate the battery's capacity. -- Obviously, the bits about using terminal to read and set some parameters are not applicable to those using a classic MacOS, but the idea remains the same. The discharge should be as slow as possible. hth, Dan K . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
on 2/7/04 6:23 PM, Dan K at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mac guru advises that it is wise not to keep a PB plugged in all the time but instead let the battery run down fully at least every few weeks, that doing so will actually enhance the life span of the battery. He seems to be correct, as with every PB I have owned I have had spare batteries for the other bay which get little use and they always die long before the main battery which I let wear down periodically. Your Mac guru is correct with respect to nimh and nicad batteries but wrong when it comes to LiIon batteries which lose significant life every time they're fully discharged. Every few weeks would is certainly overkill. That said, it can be useful to occasionally calibrate LiIon batteries. The best advice I've seen for maximizing LiIon battery runtime, as posted to usenet by Peter (whose last name escapes me at this moment): -- (Peter's Trickle Calibration) 1. charge fully and then some 2. in terminal, ioreg -p IODeviceTree -n battery -w0 | grep Bat (make a note of your Capacity -- should be around 4000 or more) sudo pmset -b spindown 1 sleep 0 reduce 1 dim 1 (prevents idle-sleep, and after 1 idle minute spins down your disk, reduces your processor speed, and turns off the LCD when on battery) (Maybe in Panther you can do that without pmset, but Jaguar is broken) 3. shut down all applications. turn off airport, disconnect anything external -- keyborad, mouse, printers, and finally, power. 4. LEAVE IT ALONE -- DO NOT TOUCH IT 5. W A I T (5 hours or more ...) 6. eventually your notebook will go to sleep 7. plug it in. wait 3 minutes. (mebbe 5 to be sure :-) 8. ioreg -p IODeviceTree -n battery -w0 | grep Bat (Has it re-evaluated your Capacity?) 9. leave it alone and let it charge fully. 10. if the Capacity changed significantly, you might want to repeat the calibration cycle. 11. Adjust your battery-power management settings to make it sleep at a more reasonable time. Note -- *calibration* means helping the battery's firmware estimate the battery's capacity. -- Obviously, the bits about using terminal to read and set some parameters are not applicable to those using a classic MacOS, but the idea remains the same. The discharge should be as slow as possible. hth, Thanks for this. How about leaving the battery in all the time whilst using the PB plugged in? Does that make any difference? Bruce -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
on 05/05/06 12:54, Clark Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:57 PM + 2/7/04, Tim Hodgson wrote: On Saturday 07 Feb 2004 11:47 am, Bruce Mitchell wrote: My Lombard also uses Li-on so that's what he was talking about. Is there anyone else out there truly knowledgeable on this subject who can advise us correctly? I've found the reference I was thinking of; it's http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap10-page6.asp Here's an excerpt: The Li-ion batteries prefer a shallow discharge. Partial discharges produce less wear than a full discharge and the capacity loss per cycle is reduced. A periodic full discharge is not required because the lithium-based battery has no memory. A full cycle constitutes a discharge to 3V/cell. When specifying the number of cycles a lithium-based battery can endure, manufacturers commonly use an 80 percent depth of discharge. This method resembles a reasonably accurate field simulation. It also achieves a higher cycle count than doing full discharges. The POSSIBLE reason for doing a deep discharge with LiON is to calibrate the battery charging circuitry. After repeated charge discharge cycles it can get confused about the full and discharged voltage for the battery. This can result in the equipment not using the full capacity of the battery. I would only consider deeply discharging it if there was a specific problem. Where available a utility like Apple Battery Reset is a much better approach. Isn't the Apple Battery Reset utility doing this? Since it seems that the procedure to re-calibrate the charging circuitry, and since the utility reset the circuitry, it seems they provide the same thing. If so, I wonder why the Battery Reset Utility never worked on a Pismo... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Flyspeck 3 n.: Standard name for any font that is so tiny as to be unreadable (by analogy with names like `Helvetica 10' for 10-point Helvetica). Legal boilerplate is usually printed in Flyspeck 3. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
on 06/02/04 01:11, Hoju Dingo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks I'm considering a new Pismo Battery (maybe I may also get the existing one exchanged, but later). I was wondering about the availability and compatibilty of Lithium Ion Extended Life Batteries for my Pismo: http://www.truedataonline.com/xq/asp/file.item/itemID.APB-M7318/qx/ 11.1V 5400mAh 12.5% Higher Capacity than the original Apple battery! Anybody got any experience with these? Probably it wouldn't make sense for me to try to ship a couple of these over here to Ozstrayla but maybe similar ones are available here? Maybe I might get lucky (?) in the coming weeks while I am visiting South Korea; despite all the PC's there are actually Apple store there too and prices may be more reasonable ... pricing here is near A$280 (or $360 from Apple). I've got one for my Pismo with higher capacity cells for $109 from laptops-battery.com. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fandango on core n.: [Unix/C hackers, from the Iberian dance] In C, a wild pointer that runs out of bounds, causing a core dump, or corrupts the malloc(3) arena in such a way as to cause mysterious failures later on, is sometimes said to have `done a fandango on core'. On low-end personal machines without an MMU (or Windows boxes, which have an MMU but use it incompetently), this can corrupt the OS itself, causing massive lossage. Other frenetic dances such as the cha-cha or the watusi, may be substituted. See aliasing bug, precedence lossage, smash the stack, memory leak, memory smash, overrun screw, core. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
I bought one about a month ago from OWC (macsales.com). It's a NewerTech 6600mAh battery that is something like 37% more capacity. On Panther, with my Airport card in (mind you this is a 400mhz), I get 5 hours on a charge. Nolen On Feb 6, 2004, at 12:59 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 06/02/04 01:11, Hoju Dingo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks I'm considering a new Pismo Battery (maybe I may also get the existing one exchanged, but later). I was wondering about the availability and compatibilty of Lithium Ion Extended Life Batteries for my Pismo: http://www.truedataonline.com/xq/asp/file.item/itemID.APB-M7318/qx/ 11.1V 5400mAh 12.5% Higher Capacity than the original Apple battery! Anybody got any experience with these? Probably it wouldn't make sense for me to try to ship a couple of these over here to Ozstrayla but maybe similar ones are available here? Maybe I might get lucky (?) in the coming weeks while I am visiting South Korea; despite all the PC's there are actually Apple store there too and prices may be more reasonable ... pricing here is near A$280 (or $360 from Apple). I've got one for my Pismo with higher capacity cells for $109 from laptops-battery.com. -Laurent. -- === = Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelin http://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fandango on core n.: [Unix/C hackers, from the Iberian dance] In C, a wild pointer that runs out of bounds, causing a core dump, or corrupts the malloc(3) arena in such a way as to cause mysterious failures later on, is sometimes said to have `done a fandango on core'. On low-end personal machines without an MMU (or Windows boxes, which have an MMU but use it incompetently), this can corrupt the OS itself, causing massive lossage. Other frenetic dances such as the cha-cha or the watusi, may be substituted. See aliasing bug, precedence lossage, smash the stack, memory leak, memory smash, overrun screw, core. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- --- - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy also mentions alcohol. It says that the best drink in existence is the Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster. It says that the effect of a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster is like having your brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick. Visit me at http://www.scaife.org! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
I didn't try the NewerTech since the ones from laptops-battery.com were cheaper, so I can't tell. laptops.battery.com says their are 4000mAh while NewerTech claims 5400mAh... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** On 06/02/04 11:11, markemmanuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone see a difference in performance between the NewerTech and the Laptop-battery.com product? I'm in search for a good low cost battery as well. On Feb 6, 2004, at 12:59 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: I've got one for my Pismo with higher capacity cells for $109 from laptops-battery.com. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
Folks: I just bought a battery (6600mAh) for one of our Pismo's from Otherworld. They have 5400mAh and 6600mAh replacement batteries for the Pismo/Lombard which they list as 12.5 and 37.5% higher in capacity than the original Apple battery (doing the math calculates the standard OEM Apple battery at 4800mAh). These sell for $146 and $160 respectively. Otherworld does list a 4500mAh battery but that is for the Wallstreet and is listed as 25% higher in capacity than the original OEM Apple battery (doing the math gives the original as 4000mAh). I checked NewerTech.com and they list the same batteries with the same stats... not sure where on their site Laurent got his 3750mAh figure from. We haven't had the 6600mAh long enough to see if it is worth the price but I'll get back to the list once we've had a chance to try it. As far as I'm concerned, if it really does pack 37.5% more power into the same size package, it is well worth the additional cost (although no one listed the price of the batteries from laptops-batteries.com and I can't even find a Pismo compatible battery there (Apple's orginal part# for Lombard and Pimo batteries are M7385G/A and M7318 respectively) so if they are really cheap I guess they could possibly be a better value). ... Eric On Feb 6, 2004, at 11:18 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: On 06/02/04 11:17, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't try the NewerTech since the ones from laptops-battery.com were cheaper, so I can't tell. laptops.battery.com says their are 4000mAh while NewerTech claims 5400mAh... -Laurent. Forgot to mention that, according to NewerTech, Apple's original batteries were 3750mAh... -Laurent. tp://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
On 06/02/04 15:57, Eric Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked NewerTech.com and they list the same batteries with the same stats... not sure where on their site Laurent got his 3750mAh figure from. Actually, I just checked it again and it's for the Wallstreet battery http://www.newertech.com/newer_bats.html, at the top. So, I'm not sure about the capacity of the Lombard/Pismo batteries... We haven't had the 6600mAh long enough to see if it is worth the price but I'll get back to the list once we've had a chance to try it. As far as I'm concerned, if it really does pack 37.5% more power into the same size package, it is well worth the additional cost (although no one listed the price of the batteries from laptops-batteries.com and I can't even find a Pismo compatible battery there (Apple's orginal part# for Lombard and Pimo batteries are M7385G/A and M7318 respectively) so if they are really cheap I guess they could possibly be a better value). It's right here: http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/3/ products_id/6295 I do agree that their site is a little confusing, though... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
Hi folks, For what it's worth, I too recently purchased a NewerTech 6600mAh battery for my Pismo from Other World Computing. I haven't had it long enough to check the actual working time on a charge, but the Battery Status Indicator shows 4:06 at 99% capacity (it showed 4:57 at 100% capacity when I first unplugged the power adapter and seems to be all over the place, especially after a short period of inactivity or a sleep period.) It will be a while before I know how accurate this is because I use the 'Book plugged in most of the time. If I get a good read of the time sooner, I'll post with the current subject. Rick Matteson 400mHz Pismo, 1GB RAM, 40MB Hitachi HD -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
My Mac guru advises that it is wise not to keep a PB plugged in all the time but instead let the battery run down fully at least every few weeks, that doing so will actually enhance the life span of the battery. He seems to be correct, as with every PB I have owned I have had spare batteries for the other bay which get little use and they always die long before the main battery which I let wear down periodically. Bruce Mitchell on 2/6/04 6:09 PM, Richard Matteson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, For what it's worth, I too recently purchased a NewerTech 6600mAh battery for my Pismo from Other World Computing. I haven't had it long enough to check the actual working time on a charge, but the Battery Status Indicator shows 4:06 at 99% capacity (it showed 4:57 at 100% capacity when I first unplugged the power adapter and seems to be all over the place, especially after a short period of inactivity or a sleep period.) It will be a while before I know how accurate this is because I use the 'Book plugged in most of the time. If I get a good read of the time sooner, I'll post with the current subject. Rick Matteson 400mHz Pismo, 1GB RAM, 40MB Hitachi HD -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Buying Replacement Pismo Batteries: Experiences?
Hi Folks I'm considering a new Pismo Battery (maybe I may also get the existing one exchanged, but later). I was wondering about the availability and compatibilty of Lithium Ion Extended Life Batteries for my Pismo: http://www.truedataonline.com/xq/asp/file.item/itemID.APB-M7318/qx/ 11.1V 5400mAh 12.5% Higher Capacity than the original Apple battery! Anybody got any experience with these? Probably it wouldn't make sense for me to try to ship a couple of these over here to Ozstrayla but maybe similar ones are available here? Maybe I might get lucky (?) in the coming weeks while I am visiting South Korea; despite all the PC's there are actually Apple store there too and prices may be more reasonable ... pricing here is near A$280 (or $360 from Apple). Thanks Dingo. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
