Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-17 Thread Steve Fuller 
Wilson Ng wrote:

>I've heard that VLC (videolan client) will play on Lombards but it isn't
>very smooth.
>
I was playing with this last week. Your statement above summarizes my 
expereiences. It works, but there's no way that I would watch a movie 
with it.

Steve



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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-16 Thread Wilson Ng 
I've heard that VLC (videolan client) will play on Lombards but it isn't
very smooth.

I've never tried it on my Lombard as I plan to stick with 9.2 on it.

www.ibookparts.com has dvd-rom drives as well as decoders for sale but it
definitely won't work in OS X.

> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 06:33:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?
> From: Todd Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> I had my Lombard 333 custom configured by the Apple Store in October
> 1999 with onboard DVD playback. However, DVD playback will not work in
> OS X - I have to boot into 9.2.2 (not classic) to view DVDs.
> Todd


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-16 Thread Tom Burke 
Well, I can't answer this on a technical level, but I know we can play 
DVDs quite happily on my wife's Pismo 400. That's in OS X, however - we 
don't have a native OS 9 to install, we have a retail Jaguar which 
doesn't include it.

Tom Burke

On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 08:50 PM, Marc wrote:

> Does the Pismo support hardware-dvd-decoding in OS X or also only in
> 9.x? And does that also work for videocd's, or does the cpu does all 
> the
> work? And is a g3/400 fast enough for that?
>
> Marc
>
>
> On vrijdag, maart 14, 2003, at 10:20 , Eugene Lee wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 05:55:20PM +, Tom Burke wrote:
>> :
>> : I've just bought a 333 Mhz Lombard with CD drive. I'm interested in
>> : fitting a DVD Rom drive instead, but I gather from the list archive
>> : that I couldn't play DVD movies if I did so unless I get a PC card
>> : hardware decoder. I'd be grateful if someone could confirm, or deny,
>> : this.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure this is the case, because almost 333 MHz Lombards did
>> not come with on-board DVD hardware decoder.  Now if you are one of 
>> the
>> lucky few who do have one of these, DVD playback should work like the
>> 400 MHz Lombards.
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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-16 Thread Dan Knight 
Jeremy Derr writes:

>chalk another one up to mismatched code-names. i kept saying "lombard" 
>but talking about "wallstreets". yet another reason i prefer to speak 
>only in actual product names.

Such as PowerBook G3, PowerBook G3 Series, PowerBook G3, and PowerBook 
for the "Kanga/3500" and "WallStreet/Mainstreet" models and "Lombard" and 
"Pismo." Or original PowerBook G3, G3 Series, Bronze Keyboard, and 
FireWire. Or the one that isn't supported for OS X vs the heavy old ones 
that run OS X vs. the lighter one that replaced it vs. the one with 
FireWire.

Clear as mud. ;-)

It's because Apple's product naming conventions since the return of Steve 
Jobs have been so ambiguous that we use code names here, revision numbers 
and MHz ratings when referencing iMacs, and so on. Apple's simplification 
of the product line has created a heck of a lot of confusion.

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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-16 Thread Marc 
Does the Pismo support hardware-dvd-decoding in OS X or also only in 
9.x? And does that also work for videocd's, or does the cpu does all the 
work? And is a g3/400 fast enough for that?

Marc


On vrijdag, maart 14, 2003, at 10:20 , Eugene Lee wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 05:55:20PM +, Tom Burke wrote:
> :
> : I've just bought a 333 Mhz Lombard with CD drive. I'm interested in
> : fitting a DVD Rom drive instead, but I gather from the list archive
> : that I couldn't play DVD movies if I did so unless I get a PC card
> : hardware decoder. I'd be grateful if someone could confirm, or deny,
> : this.
>
> I'm pretty sure this is the case, because almost 333 MHz Lombards did
> not come with on-board DVD hardware decoder.  Now if you are one of the
> lucky few who do have one of these, DVD playback should work like the
> 400 MHz Lombards.


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-16 Thread Todd Campbell 
I had my Lombard 333 custom configured by the Apple Store in October 
1999 with onboard DVD playback. However, DVD playback will not work in 
OS X - I have to boot into 9.2.2 (not classic) to view DVDs.
Todd


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OT: G3 PowerBook names [was Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?]

2003-03-15 Thread Andrew Johnson 

On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 12:34  AM, Jeremy Derr wrote:
> chalk another one up to mismatched code-names. i kept saying "lombard"
> but talking about "wallstreets". yet another reason i prefer to speak
> only in actual product names.
>
> sumimasen.

I would say the the code names make things easier usually, when someone 
says wallstreet, I know what they're talking about. But if someone said 
"I've got a PowerBook G3 that has problem X..." They could be talking 
about the WallStreet (PowerBook G3 Series, multiple bus speeds, 233,250 
and 300 mhz variants I believe) the WallStreet II (PowerBook G3 Series, 
66MHz bus speed) or the Lombard, (PowerBook G3) which had the bronze 
keyboard and faster features (not to mention USB as well) I think the 
code names are the saving grace of Macintosh products. How difficult 
would it be if every computer was named "PowerMac" and had no defining 
features?

Just my $0.02
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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-15 Thread Jeremy Derr 
On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 09:48  PM, Eugene Lee wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 08:59:46PM -0600, Jeremy Derr wrote:
> :
> : On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 06:54 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
> :
> : > According to the Lombard profile page on lowendmac.com, the 400MHz
> : > version did:
> : > "2x DVD-ROM available for 333, standard on 400; only the 400 comes 
> with
> : > hardware to display DVD movies)".
> :
> : ...and that hardware is a cardbus card
>
> No, the hardware decoder is built-in with the motherboard.
>
> : the LEM page should probably be updated to say "only the 400 comes 
> with
> : DVD hardware in the default config."
>
> No, some 333 MHz Lombards has the hardware decoder too.

chalk another one up to mismatched code-names. i kept saying "lombard" 
but talking about "wallstreets". yet another reason i prefer to speak 
only in actual product names.

sumimasen.


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-15 Thread Eugene Lee 
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 08:59:46PM -0600, Jeremy Derr wrote:
: 
: On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 06:54 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
: 
: > According to the Lombard profile page on lowendmac.com, the 400MHz
: > version did:
: > "2x DVD-ROM available for 333, standard on 400; only the 400 comes with
: > hardware to display DVD movies)".
: 
: ...and that hardware is a cardbus card

No, the hardware decoder is built-in with the motherboard.

: the LEM page should probably be updated to say "only the 400 comes with 
: DVD hardware in the default config."

No, some 333 MHz Lombards has the hardware decoder too.


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-15 Thread Jeremy Derr 
On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 08:53 PM, Andrew Johnson wrote:

> while I realize that the older G3's needed the PC Card to properly
> decode DVDs, is the ability to view DVDs on newer systems such as the
> iBook (dual usb) a function of the fact that their video chips (Radeon,
> etc...) are supported for video acceleration in OS X, or is it that the
> G3 processor is faster so that it is all done in software? If I were to
> drop a 500MHz G3 in my wallstreet, would it be possible to view DVDs
> under OS X?

neither, really. in the newer machines, the graphics card itself has an 
MPEG-2 decoder on-board. on previous systems, both decryption and 
decoding were hardware based... in newer systems, decryption is 
offloaded into software.

so, the answer would be no... you'd have to install a graphics chipset 
that has an onboard MPEG-2 decoder.


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-15 Thread Jeremy Derr 
On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 06:54 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:

> According to the Lombard profile page on lowendmac.com, the 400MHz
> version did:
> "2x DVD-ROM available for 333, standard on 400; only the 400 comes with
> hardware to display DVD movies)".

...and that hardware is a cardbus card

the LEM page should probably be updated to say "only the 400 comes with 
DVD hardware in the default config."


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-15 Thread Andrew Johnson 
>
> hardware acceleration is slowly trickling down to older machines in OS
> X. several of the last few releases have added a machine or two to the
> list. that said, i don't think hardware-based DVD solutions will be
> supported in OS X... and this isn't just powerbooks, but also the
> PowerMac G3's and the first PowerMac G4.
>
while I realize that the older G3's needed the PC Card to properly 
decode DVDs, is the ability to view DVDs on newer systems such as the 
iBook (dual usb) a function of the fact that their video chips (Radeon, 
etc...) are supported for video acceleration in OS X, or is it that the 
G3 processor is faster so that it is all done in software? If I were to 
drop a 500MHz G3 in my wallstreet, would it be possible to view DVDs 
under OS X?

-Andrew


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-15 Thread Mike Barnes 
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Jeremy Derr wrote:
> as far as i know, -none- of the lombard powerbooks (officially called
> the "Powerbook G3 (Bronze Keyboard)") had a built in DVD decoder. the
> Powerbook (Firewire) (aka "Pismo") was the first model to support DVD
> without a cardbus decoder card.

According to the Lombard profile page on lowendmac.com, the 400MHz 
version did:
"2x DVD-ROM available for 333, standard on 400; only the 400 comes with 
hardware to display DVD movies)".


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-15 Thread Jeremy Derr 
On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 06:19 PM, Jeff Hubatka wrote:

>> I've just bought a 333 Mhz Lombard with CD drive. I'm interested in
>> fitting a DVD Rom drive instead, but I gather from the list archive
>> that I couldn't play DVD movies if I did so unless I get a PC card
>> hardware decoder. I'd be grateful if someone could confirm, or deny,
>> this.
>
> I have the same model. Very few 333mhz models had DVD decoding built-in
> - I think they were at the end of the model run.

as far as i know, -none- of the lombard powerbooks (officially called 
the "Powerbook G3 (Bronze Keyboard)") had a built in DVD decoder. the 
Powerbook (Firewire) (aka "Pismo") was the first model to support DVD 
without a cardbus decoder card.

>> If this is true, this is a bit of a blow - I've already just put a
>> Linksys wifi card in the PC Card slot, using the IOXperts OS X driver.
>> Works fine.
>>
>> Oh, I'm running Jaguar with 192 Mbyte of RAM installed. RAM is next 
>> for
>> the upgrade, I think.
>
> OS X of any flavor doesn't support the PC Card DVD playback. I guess
> there's still a possibility of that happening, much like the long-lost
> hardware video acceleration for these machines But I'm not counting
> on it for mine.

hardware acceleration is slowly trickling down to older machines in OS 
X. several of the last few releases have added a machine or two to the 
list. that said, i don't think hardware-based DVD solutions will be 
supported in OS X... and this isn't just powerbooks, but also the 
PowerMac G3's and the first PowerMac G4.


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-15 Thread Jeff Hubatka 
On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 12:30 pm, (G-Books) wrote:

> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:55:20 +
> Subject: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?
> From: Tom Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I've just bought a 333 Mhz Lombard with CD drive. I'm interested in
> fitting a DVD Rom drive instead, but I gather from the list archive
> that I couldn't play DVD movies if I did so unless I get a PC card
> hardware decoder. I'd be grateful if someone could confirm, or deny,
> this.

I have the same model. Very few 333mhz models had DVD decoding built-in 
- I think they were at the end of the model run.

> If this is true, this is a bit of a blow - I've already just put a
> Linksys wifi card in the PC Card slot, using the IOXperts OS X driver.
> Works fine.
>
> Oh, I'm running Jaguar with 192 Mbyte of RAM installed. RAM is next for
> the upgrade, I think.
>

OS X of any flavor doesn't support the PC Card DVD playback. I guess 
there's still a possibility of that happening, much like the long-lost 
hardware video acceleration for these machines But I'm not counting 
on it for mine.


JSH


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-14 Thread Steve Fuller 
>
>
>I've just bought a 333 Mhz Lombard with CD drive. I'm interested in 
>fitting a DVD Rom drive instead, but I gather from the list archive 
>that I couldn't play DVD movies if I did so unless I get a PC card 
>hardware decoder. I'd be grateful if someone could confirm, or deny, 
>this.
>
There is an onboard DVD decoder card on the 400 MHz Lombards. Not sure 
if this can be retrofitted onto a 333 or not

>Oh, I'm running Jaguar with 192 Mbyte of RAM installed. RAM is next for 
>the upgrade, I think.
>

The Apple DVD player does not support playing DVDs on a Lombard under 
Jaguar, even if you do have the decoder. They do not support the decoder 
card IIRC. You have to use a 3rd party program, but they do not support 
the hardware decoder so the DVDs run choppy. I keep a copy of 9.2.2 
installed just so that my son can watch DVDs on family trips. Once my 
17" shows up, that issue will be fixed.


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Re: DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-14 Thread Eugene Lee 
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 05:55:20PM +, Tom Burke wrote:
: 
: I've just bought a 333 Mhz Lombard with CD drive. I'm interested in 
: fitting a DVD Rom drive instead, but I gather from the list archive 
: that I couldn't play DVD movies if I did so unless I get a PC card 
: hardware decoder. I'd be grateful if someone could confirm, or deny, 
: this.

I'm pretty sure this is the case, because almost 333 MHz Lombards did
not come with on-board DVD hardware decoder.  Now if you are one of the
lucky few who do have one of these, DVD playback should work like the
400 MHz Lombards.

: Oh, I'm running Jaguar with 192 Mbyte of RAM installed. RAM is next for 
: the upgrade, I think.

Definitely max out the RAM to 512 MB.


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DVD-ROM for CD equiped Lombard?

2003-03-14 Thread Tom Burke 
Hello the List!

My apologies if this question has been done to death. I've been through 
the archive but can't quite get a clean reply.

I've just bought a 333 Mhz Lombard with CD drive. I'm interested in 
fitting a DVD Rom drive instead, but I gather from the list archive 
that I couldn't play DVD movies if I did so unless I get a PC card 
hardware decoder. I'd be grateful if someone could confirm, or deny, 
this.

And if it's confirmation, I'd also be grateful if someone could send me 
info on where to buy both items - the DVD Rom & the hardware decoder. 
UK sources first, please.

If this is true, this is a bit of a blow - I've already just put a 
Linksys wifi card in the PC Card slot, using the IOXperts OS X driver. 
Works fine.

Oh, I'm running Jaguar with 192 Mbyte of RAM installed. RAM is next for 
the upgrade, I think.

Tom Burke


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