Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)

2004-12-28 Thread Frank P. Eigler
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004, Kyle Hansen wrote:

 On 12/26/04 5:40 AM, Timothy Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the
 Cybertrough:

 
  On Dec 25, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote:
 
  On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
 
  Outlook Express was just a basic email program.
  Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains
  email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things.
  Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh.
 
  As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't
  ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook
  also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing?
 
  As I understand it, most of the virus/worm openings in Outlook/Outlook
  Express have to do with the way that it interacts with the OS as a
  whole.
 
  While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't
  believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares
  Outlook/Outlook Express holes.

 There is not a single Entourage hole.  It is far more secure than any other
 Macintosh Mail program including Apple's own.

 Kyle Hansen

Have you used Entourage? If not, what's your email client of choice? Ever
use Eudora? That's what I've basically grown up with (and maybe feeling a
bit restless with it). Would you recommend a switch from Eudora to
Entourage?
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Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)

2004-12-27 Thread Mikael Byström
Frank P. Eigler said:

Dennis B. Swaney wrote:

 Outlook Express was just a basic email program.
 Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains
 email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things.
 Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh.

Nope. See below.

As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't
ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook
also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing?
If you don't have any basis for what you state, you're only spreading FUD.

Timothy Luoma said:

While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't 
believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares 
Outlook/Outlook Express holes.

Exactly. I see no proof that Entourage and Outlook for PC share code, nor
for Outlook on the Mac. Therefore to say that Entourage is the renamed
Outlook for Macintosh is totally false. If there are any substantiated
verifiable facts that they do share code, put then on the tabel please.

These apps should be treated as separate entities with their separate set
of problems.

I kinda like Entourage, but it's a bit slow unless you have stellar new
hardware. I really think PowerMail http://www.ctmdev.com beats them
all. I'm not sure how it plays with Exchange servers, but I don't see why
POP and SMTP wouldn't just work (barring the possibility that Exchange
only have non-standard MS-POP and MS-SMTP). 
Anyway, I think PowerMail let's me see and deal with a lot of messages
(currently 150 000+ on 200+ folders), search among these at blistering
speeds and let me focus on *the messages*, not the app in question.

It doesn't have the calendar and task functionality of Entourage, but I
use Palm Desktop and Fast Track Schedule in that area and feel this works
well for me. 


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Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)

2004-12-26 Thread Timothy Luoma
On Dec 25, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
Outlook Express was just a basic email program.
Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains
email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things.
Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh.
As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't
ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook
also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing?
As I understand it, most of the virus/worm openings in Outlook/Outlook 
Express have to do with the way that it interacts with the OS as a 
whole.

While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't 
believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares 
Outlook/Outlook Express holes.

That said, Outlook Express for Mac used to have security problems, but 
I don't know if that was for OS9 or OSX (I believe it was OS9).

Entourage is, I believe, a completely new product that has not been 
shown to have any security flaws that I am aware of.

So I would say that it would be FALSE to say that Entourage shares 
Outlook/Outlook Express security issues, and that would sound like 
Microsoft bashing.

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Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)

2004-12-26 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 12/26/04 5:40 AM, Timothy Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the
Cybertrough:

 
 On Dec 25, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote:
 
 On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
 
 Outlook Express was just a basic email program.
 Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains
 email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things.
 Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh.
 
 As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't
 ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook
 also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing?
 
 As I understand it, most of the virus/worm openings in Outlook/Outlook
 Express have to do with the way that it interacts with the OS as a
 whole.
 
 While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't
 believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares
 Outlook/Outlook Express holes.

There is not a single Entourage hole.  It is far more secure than any other
Macintosh Mail program including Apple's own.

Kyle Hansen
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Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)

2004-12-26 Thread Dennis B. Swaney
At 8:15 AM -0800 12/26/04, Kyle Hansen wrote:

There is not a single Entourage hole.  It is far more secure than any other
Macintosh Mail program including Apple's own.
Probably because it is a Mac OS program! I've heard a bunch of new 
security flaws have been found in Windows XP and its associated SP2.
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Dennis B. Swaney

Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is 
... oh, never mind.

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Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)

2004-12-25 Thread Frank P. Eigler
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:

 Outlook Express was just a basic email program.
 Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains
 email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things.
 Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh.

As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't
ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook
also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing?

 Apple Mail replaced Outlook Express for Macintosh.

 I personally use Eudora as my email client. I've looked at Apple Mail
 but I don't like the way navigation works, and Eudora doesn't require
 the use of html in mail the way other email programs are starting to
 do.

Agree agree agree. Freakin' html mail. Sigh. For when you just *have* to
empahsize something, and there's simply *no* plain-text way to do that.

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Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...

2002-05-16 Thread Chrys Cruz

 I'm having problems with Address Book as well. . . . . . every time I 
 reply to
 anyone, their name gets added to Address Book.

Thanks, I knew I wasn't crazy! This is really driving me nuts. Someone 
please provide a solution, or I will end up in a mental ward soon ;-\

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Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...

2002-05-16 Thread John Koen

The only way to manage it would be to periodically choose Show: 
Temporary or click on the categories column to display the unfiled 
category, select them all and delete them. It sounds like the Jaguar 
version of Address Book is going to be more useful and more flexible, 
but won't be out until September, probably.

More on the thread, I tried out Entourage v.X and liked the synching 
features between e-mail, contacts and date book, but the app would crash 
at inconvenient times (like moving around list messages off the IMAP 
server) and duplicate lots of messages, really irritating. Also, I found 
it kind of slow. The rules in Mail are not as flexible and comprehensive 
as most of the commercial apps, but for me they're 75% of what I need. 
Waiting till September.

On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 02:23  AM, Chrys Cruz wrote:

 I'm having problems with Address Book as well. . . . . . every time I
 reply to
 anyone, their name gets added to Address Book.

 Thanks, I knew I wasn't crazy! This is really driving me nuts. Someone
 please provide a solution, or I will end up in a mental ward soon ;-\

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Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]

2002-05-16 Thread Jim Freeman

I get your picture too. Weren't you in that movie Matrix.

So you're saying you've got your picture in your local address book and 
you haven't set up webmail?

Jim

On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 12:35  PM, Jeremy Derr wrote:

 On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 09:46 PM, Jim Freeman wrote:

 Are you sure about this? I've had my picture and a bunch of other
 pictures in my local address book since the beginning of OS X. I see
 those pictures when I get mail from those people, but no one has ever
 gotten my picture until I signed up for webmail.

 It seems to work for at least one person on the iMac list who got my
 picture this way...


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Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]

2002-05-16 Thread Jeremy Derr

On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 01:32 PM, Jim Freeman wrote:

 I get your picture too. Weren't you in that movie Matrix.

 So you're saying you've got your picture in your local address book and
 you haven't set up webmail?

I've set up WebMail, but that's all. I don't use it, haven't added my 
picture to it.


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Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...

2002-05-15 Thread Chrys Cruz

 It's not very PB G3 related other than I'm doing it on a Powerbook.  
 Anyway,
 I'm using Entourage in Classic to check my email.  I'm thinking about 
 moving
 over to Mail.  I'm tired of launching classic and Entrourage.  Did 
 anyone
 have any trouble with Mail and are there any features of Mail that 
 Entourage
 doesn't have?

 I use the address book and do basic email stuff with entourage.  Sort 
 mail
 with folders, filter out as much spam as possible, etc.

The only reason that I switched to Mail is because the IT dept at my job 
won't allow us to use Entourage or Outlook on their network. I'm hoping 
the next version of Mail will be much better. I miss the elaborate 
filtering that Entourage has. Pound for pound, I'd go back if I could. 
But of course, this is just my 2 cents.

OS X's Address Book, while a seperate app, is accessible through Mail. 
And while it's quite nifty, I seem to be having trouble with it. . . . . 
everytime I reply to or send a message, the recipient's address gets 
entered into Address Book automatically, and I end up having to delete 
it all each day.  Might I have set this without knowing? How do I stop/ 
undo it? Someone help me!! OS X is so frustratingly new to me- I feel 
like a fish out of water.

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Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...

2002-05-15 Thread Bruce Johnson

Chrys Cruz wrote:

 The only reason that I switched to Mail is because the IT dept at my job 
 won't allow us to use Entourage or Outlook on their network. I'm hoping 
 the next version of Mail will be much better. I miss the elaborate 
 filtering that Entourage has. Pound for pound, I'd go back if I could. 
 But of course, this is just my 2 cents.

Have you tried Netscape's mail component Messenger? It's got rather nice 
filtering components (which I never use anymore because I can use 
procmail right on our server. Procmail rulez! But I used to use their 
filters all the time.)

Lots of people diss Netscape Messenger for, well, for reasons I've never 
heard very well explained...

We have a couple of hundred people here using it in various versions 
(and have for years) and almost all of them seem pretty happy with it.

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Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]

2002-05-15 Thread Jim Freeman

John: You already have two of the requirements. You have a mac.com mail 
account and you must be using Mail in OS X if you see my picture. Now 
you just need to set up Apple's new webmail service at webmail.mac.com. 
You need to add a photo there (64x64) and anyone using Mail for X will 
get the picture. There is a bit of a delay for it to take effect and 
make sure you check the little box that enables it. The photos are then 
stored on the HDs of the recipients. Look here on your computer: 
~/Library/Caches/com.apple.addressservices/Photos

Jim

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 the right side of the message window (opposite the headers) in Apple's
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Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]

2002-05-15 Thread Jeremy Derr

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 06:27 PM, Jim Freeman wrote:

 John: You already have two of the requirements. You have a mac.com mail
 account and you must be using Mail in OS X if you see my picture. Now
 you just need to set up Apple's new webmail service at webmail.mac.com.
 You need to add a photo there (64x64) and anyone using Mail for X will
 get the picture. There is a bit of a delay for it to take effect and
 make sure you check the little box that enables it. The photos are then
 stored on the HDs of the recipients. Look here on your computer:
 ~/Library/Caches/com.apple.addressservices/Photos

You don't have to use WebMail to do this. :) You can do this with Mail 
and the Address Book.

Your picture should be 64x64, and you can just paste it into your own 
record in Address Book. Then, quit and relaunch Mail, and it should work 
fine. :)



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Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...

2002-05-15 Thread markemmanuel

Well, I imported my Entourage stuff over to Mail.  So far so good.  I'm 
trying to figure out how to make subdirectories for each mailbox I set 
up in Mail.  I also miss the filtering of Entourage but it's not so 
bad

I'm having problems with Address Book as well.  I am experiencing 
problems importing my Entourage address book and every time I reply to 
anyone, their name gets added to Address Book.

peace,
--markemmanuel

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 04:23 PM, Chrys Cruz wrote:

 The only reason that I switched to Mail is because the IT dept at my job
 won't allow us to use Entourage or Outlook on their network. I'm hoping
 the next version of Mail will be much better. I miss the elaborate
 filtering that Entourage has. Pound for pound, I'd go back if I could.
 But of course, this is just my 2 cents.

 OS X's Address Book, while a seperate app, is accessible through Mail.
 And while it's quite nifty, I seem to be having trouble with it. . . . .
 everytime I reply to or send a message, the recipient's address gets
 entered into Address Book automatically, and I end up having to delete
 it all each day.  Might I have set this without knowing? How do I stop/
 undo it? Someone help me!! OS X is so frustratingly new to me- I feel
 like a fish out of water.

 __C


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Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]

2002-05-15 Thread Jim Freeman

Are you sure about this? I've had my picture and a bunch of other 
pictures in my local address book since the beginning of OS X. I see 
those pictures when I get mail from those people, but no one has ever 
gotten my picture until I signed up for webmail.

Jim

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 07:56  PM, Jeremy Derr wrote:

 You don't have to use WebMail to do this. :) You can do this with Mail
 and the Address Book.

 Your picture should be 64x64, and you can just paste it into your own
 record in Address Book. Then, quit and relaunch Mail, and it should work
 fine. :)


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Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...

2002-05-14 Thread Laurent Daudelin

on 14/05/02 23:45, markemmanuel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's not very PB G3 related other than I'm doing it on a Powerbook.  Anyway,
 I'm using Entourage in Classic to check my email.  I'm thinking about moving
 over to Mail.  I'm tired of launching classic and Entrourage.  Did anyone
 have any trouble with Mail and are there any features of Mail that Entourage
 doesn't have?  
 
 I use the address book and do basic email stuff with entourage.  Sort mail
 with folders, filter out as much spam as possible, etc.

Mail is a fine app but, IMHO, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of
Entourage. If your needs are really basic, then you should be fine. The new
version that will be available with OS X 10.2 is said to be much better.

-Laurent.
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