Re: G4 spill damage

[Jon Glass]

on 11/23/02 3:24 AM, Dan Knight at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> We've lost both an Acer laptop and a WallStreet over the last two years
> due to soft drink spills. I've also salvaged every single external
> keyboard that someone has spilled on by unplugging it, rinsing it under
> water, and letting it dry overnight. No such luck with laptops, though.

In spite of my "encouragements" to my wife to keep drinks away from her
laptop, she has had three or four spills onto her keyboard. It's been
different things--sweet tea (iced tea) pepsi, and hot tea. Each time, she
shut off her computer immediately, and I was forced to take her keyboard
apart. Once was on her Duo, and twice on her PB 1400 (It has a g3 card so it
belongs on this list) :-) Anyway, the Duo was a simple fix, because the
keyboard is so cheaply built. :-) The 1400 surprised me, however. It appears
that the keyboard in that thing can trap a fair amount of liquid, and not
let any of it escape onto the mobo below, or drip into the actual actuators
inside. It is a marvel of engineering. I was quite surprised at how well it
holds liquid. The last time I had it out, I purposely poured clean water on
it to see how much it would hold, and it was quite a lot. The problem is
getting the liquid out without spilling it! I used kleenex and Q-tips to get
the liquid out, and it seems to work well. I wonder if other, newer models
have these little "dams" built into them? If that's the case, then turning
off the laptop very quickly and not moving it would be the best thing to
do...
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Re: G4 spill damage

[wappling]

RE; I think(my opinion) both smalldog and macreqQ,, you can replace the
entire machine for less,gut or sell old one maybe for parts


>> Well, while ripping my bartender's CDs to my Powerbook 550 I spilled some
>> beer on the keyboard. Tekserve has cleaned it up and says the logic board
>> must be replaced to the tune of over $600. Wow, expensive beer. Tekserve has
>> been very helpful, but I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with this
>> sort of thing (logic board replacement, not beer spillage) and has advice;
>> such as finding cheaper parts, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks much,
>> Matthew
>> NYC
>> 
>>


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Re: G4 spill damage

[wappling]

Re; A pharoh who eats crackers in bed, is a crumby mummy :)
I'll be quiet now,,lol


>> In my computer classes one of the first rules is "Do Not Have Any Liquid
>> That Could Spill Near The Computers", which most people ignore when at home,
>> but not in my lab! Any liquid spilled on a computer could destroy the entire
>> computer, no matter what brand or type of computer it is.
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Re: G4 spill damage

[Dan Knight]

Thomas Ethen writes:

>In my computer classes one of the first rules is "Do Not Have Any Liquid
>That Could Spill Near The Computers", which most people ignore when at home,
>but not in my lab! Any liquid spilled on a computer could destroy the entire
>computer, no matter what brand or type of computer it is.

We've lost both an Acer laptop and a WallStreet over the last two years 
due to soft drink spills. I've also salvaged every single external 
keyboard that someone has spilled on by unplugging it, rinsing it under 
water, and letting it dry overnight. No such luck with laptops, though.

Good advice. Ditto for getting crumbs from your cookies inside the 
keyboard.


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Re: G4 spill damage

[Thomas Ethen]

In my computer classes one of the first rules is "Do Not Have Any Liquid
That Could Spill Near The Computers", which most people ignore when at home,
but not in my lab! Any liquid spilled on a computer could destroy the entire
computer, no matter what brand or type of computer it is.

Tom
>> ??  Are Powerbooks a lot more fragile than iBooks?  Or is beer
>> really caustic?  I dumped almost 16 ounces of diet Dr Pepper into the
>> keyboard area of my iBook...I picked it up, turned it over, and liquid
>> poured out of the iBook for several minutes.  I unplugged it and
>> turned it off, wiped it dry as best I could with paper towels and
>> Q-tips (lifted up they keyboard part).  Two hours later, I hit the
>> power button  and it started up normally.  No problems.
> 
> not really. you're just luckier than he was. i've seen about as much
> water dumped into an iBook, requiring almost the entire computer be
> replaced.
> 


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Re: G4 spill damage

[Paul Nicholson]

Hi,

You could have saved it. It's not the beer by itself that caused the problem. 
Destruction is caused by the application of an electrolyte (beer in this case) and 
voltage, which causes electrolysis, as in electroplating. Metals in the conductors are 
removed and plated onto other conductors depending on voltage polarity. Metallic salts 
are formed and these combine with the sugary residue of the beer to leave a partially 
conductive sticky mess.

What you should have done was to immediately pull the power cord and battery before 
significant electrolysis occurred. Then disassemble the computer, remove the circuit 
boards and wash off all the beer with clean water. It's OK to wash the keyboard, and 
hard disk too.

Now you want to make absolutely sure that everything is dry before you reassemble and 
apply power. You can rinse with alcohol, which will wash off the water and evaporate 
quickly. Sling the boards with your arm to use centrifugal force to force out water - 
it hides under surface mount chips. Use a hair dryer, or put your boards in the sun. 
The keyboard has several layers of plastic sheet printed with conductors and it takes 
a long time to dry. Do NOT in any case apply power until everything is thoroughly dry, 
just a drop of moisture across a couple of conductors at different polarity can cause 
failure.

My bookkeeper recently had coffee spilled on his Dell laptop. Fortunately, I was his 
next stop and he shut it down quickly. His IBM hard drive and keyboard were wet, and 
after a wash and dry, everything worked.

Paul

At 9:11 AM -0500 11/21/02, Matthew B. Dwyer wrote:
>Hi Listers,
>
>Well, while ripping my bartender's CDs to my Powerbook 550 I spilled some
>beer on the keyboard. Tekserve has cleaned it up and says the logic board
>must be replaced to the tune of over $600. Wow, expensive beer. Tekserve has
>been very helpful, but I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with this
>sort of thing (logic board replacement, not beer spillage) and has advice;
>such as finding cheaper parts, etc.
>
>Thanks much,
>Matthew
>NYC
>
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Re: G4 spill damage

[Jeremy Derr]

On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 07:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 11/21/2002 9:11:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>>
>> Well, while ripping my bartender's CDs to my Powerbook 550 I >spilled 
>> some beer on the keyboard. Tekserve has cleaned it up >and   must be 
>> replaced to the tune of over $600.
> ??  Are Powerbooks a lot more fragile than iBooks?  Or is beer 
> really caustic?  I dumped almost 16 ounces of diet Dr Pepper into the 
> keyboard area of my iBook...I picked it up, turned it over, and liquid 
> poured out of the iBook for several minutes.  I unplugged it and 
> turned it off, wiped it dry as best I could with paper towels and 
> Q-tips (lifted up they keyboard part).  Two hours later, I hit the 
> power button  and it started up normally.  No problems.

not really. you're just luckier than he was. i've seen about as much 
water dumped into an iBook, requiring almost the entire computer be 
replaced.


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Re: G4 spill damage

[paulatx1]

In a message dated 11/21/2002 9:11:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> 
> Well, while ripping my bartender's CDs to my Powerbook 550 I >spilled some beer on 
>the keyboard. Tekserve has cleaned it up >and   must be replaced to the tune of over 
>$600.
??  Are Powerbooks a lot more fragile than iBooks?  Or is beer really caustic?  I 
dumped almost 16 ounces of diet Dr Pepper into the keyboard area of my iBook...I 
picked it up, turned it over, and liquid poured out of the iBook for several minutes.  
I unplugged it and turned it off, wiped it dry as best I could with paper towels and 
Q-tips (lifted up they keyboard part).  Two hours later, I hit the power button  and 
it started up normally.  No problems.
  Paula (okay, clumsy Paula)
  



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Re: G4 spill damage

[Jeremy Derr]

On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 08:11  PM, Matthew B. Dwyer wrote:

> Well, while ripping my bartender's CDs to my Powerbook 550 I spilled 
> some
> beer on the keyboard. Tekserve has cleaned it up and says the logic 
> board
> must be replaced to the tune of over $600. Wow, expensive beer. 
> Tekserve has
> been very helpful, but I'm just wondering if anyone has experience 
> with this
> sort of thing (logic board replacement, not beer spillage) and has 
> advice;
> such as finding cheaper parts, etc.

$600 is a fairly decent price for such a part. I've seen it more 
expensive. Much more expensive.

Pbparts.com lists the part at $699...

for cheaper, you may want to look on ebay for a 550 that's nonfunct 
that can be parted out, or some such.


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G4 spill damage

[Matthew B. Dwyer]

Hi Listers,

Well, while ripping my bartender's CDs to my Powerbook 550 I spilled some
beer on the keyboard. Tekserve has cleaned it up and says the logic board
must be replaced to the tune of over $600. Wow, expensive beer. Tekserve has
been very helpful, but I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with this
sort of thing (logic board replacement, not beer spillage) and has advice;
such as finding cheaper parts, etc.

Thanks much,
Matthew
NYC


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