Re: Lombard frying batteries???

2006-02-18 Thread Malcolm Cornelius
 You are spending money like buying a Ti to repair a Lombard - WHY ?
 There is no PMU board on a Lombard - so what is being replaced/repaired ?
 Even if you are sending it away, take yer HD out - really easy in a Lombard
 
 A: I like the Lombard/Pismo form factor much better than the TiBook
 form factor. Also, the Lombard, if I spread the upgrades out over a
 long enough time, it'll pay for itself in productivity. Plus, the
 Lombard is much easier to upgrade...

Sorry in my attempt at brevity I managed to lose all coherence - blame the
ale !

I was trying to say, why pay that much for a repair - you could buy a couple
of complete ones for that price ?!!
 
 B: I had no clue that there was no PMU on the Lombard. Thanks for telling me.

Well, there is no PMU board, there is a power board under the trackpad, so I
guess it is that one, a pretty cheap and easy to replace part.

 C: I know how easy it is to remove a HD on a Lombard, and I've
 rebuilt a PB 190 from parts, so I know how to do that stuff.

You were concerned about sending the machine away with all your stuff on it,
I was pointing out that it is a 10 second job to remove it on a Lombard,
probably easier than any other Powerbook, so there is no need for that
worry.

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Re: Lombard frying batteries???

2006-02-18 Thread Dan K
Caleb, did you reset the PMU?

Resetting the Power Manager
PowerBook G3 Series (Bronze Keyboard)computers have a
reset button located on the back of the computer behind the
I/O door. Press the button once to reset the power manager.

The PMU is located (AFAIK) on the main logic board. There is a separate 
Power Supply Card (separate from the Sound Card which contains the 
power-in jack), located under the trackpad. I'm not sure exactly how (or 
if) its failure can lead to the symptoms you've described.

*Not not-all-that-helpful advice*
Really, the best thing to have in this sort of situation is a second 
identical complete working PowerBook. It makes things so much easier to 
have known-good working parts to swap in and out for testing purposes.
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Re: Lombard frying batteries???

2006-02-18 Thread calebcupplessocialism

Caleb, did you reset the PMU?

Resetting the Power Manager
PowerBook G3 Series (Bronze Keyboard)computers have a
reset button located on the back of the computer behind the
I/O door. Press the button once to reset the power manager.


I'll try that right now. I remember doing it before, but that was 
after I accidentally kicked the plug out of the wall before I got the 
NewerTech battery.




The PMU is located (AFAIK) on the main logic board. There is a separate
Power Supply Card (separate from the Sound Card which contains the
power-in jack), located under the trackpad. I'm not sure exactly how (or
if) its failure can lead to the symptoms you've described.


I'm pretty sure that the Power Supply Card would take the whole 
machine out with it, if it's as you describe it.




*Not not-all-that-helpful advice*
Really, the best thing to have in this sort of situation is a second
identical complete working PowerBook. It makes things so much easier to
have known-good working parts to swap in and out for testing purposes.
*/Not not-all-that-helpful advice*


SARCASM Does a PowerBook 190 count? I've got two of them, one 
complete and one in pieces, if that'll help test Lombard 
parts./SARCASM


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Lombard frying batteries???

2006-02-17 Thread calebcupplessocialism

Dear listers,

This is the second time I've had to email NewerTech support about 
replacing a battery, in the past month, but I'm starting to wonder if 
it's not my Lombard that's causing my battery problems, instead of 
the batteries themselves. I know the charging board is good on it, 
AFAIK, and the batteries did quit showing up as charged, with a 
corresponding light on the LED indicators on the side of the battery. 
Still, it's curious as to how a good company can send me two bad 
batteries in a row, without the possibility of a machine problem..


Well, hopefully you'll all have some good advice for me,
Caleb

P.S. Is it wrong to send messages to both the Google Groups and the 
old Maclaunch list, or is it acceptable?


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Re: Lombard frying batteries???

2006-02-17 Thread Tom and Lisa Peters

Dear listers,

This is the second time I've had to email NewerTech support about 
replacing a battery, in the past month, but I'm starting to wonder 
if it's not my Lombard that's causing my battery problems, instead 
of the batteries themselves. I know the charging board is good on 
it, AFAIK, and the batteries did quit showing up as charged, with a 
corresponding light on the LED indicators on the side of the 
battery. Still, it's curious as to how a good company can send me 
two bad batteries in a row, without the possibility of a machine 
problem..


Well, hopefully you'll all have some good advice for me,
Caleb


I dont know why, but I have had _zero_ luck bringing any third party 
WS or lombard batteries back to life.  BTI or Newertech.


Mad Dog

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Re: Lombard frying batteries???

2006-02-17 Thread calebcupplessocialism
I dont know why, but I have had _zero_ luck bringing any third party 
WS or lombard batteries back to life.  BTI or Newertech.


Well, I called NewerTech and they think it's a bad PMU, but I still 
want a second opinion. They did say that they could get approval for 
another replacement, if I wanted to, however.


So, are there any other symptoms of a bad PMU other than fried 
batteries? I really don't want to ship my machine off, because it's 
got all my stuff on it, and it's got a couple of cracks in the lower 
case, and one to the left of the LCD on the inside of the lid that I 
don't want to stress any more than I have to.


Also, before I forget, does anyone know the keyboard combination to 
force the fans to come on, because I suspect that mine has a bad fan, 
as well.


*sighs as he's planning on spending the price of a used TiBook to get 
the Lombard fixed*


Caleb

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Re: Lombard frying batteries???

2006-02-17 Thread Tom and Lisa Peters
I dont know why, but I have had _zero_ luck bringing any third 
party WS or lombard batteries back to life.  BTI or Newertech.


Well, I called NewerTech and they think it's a bad PMU, but I still 
want a second opinion. They did say that they could get approval for 
another replacement, if I wanted to, however.


So, are there any other symptoms of a bad PMU other than fried 
batteries? I really don't want to ship my machine off, because it's 
got all my stuff on it, and it's got a couple of cracks in the lower 
case, and one to the left of the LCD on the inside of the lid that I 
don't want to stress any more than I have to.


Also, before I forget, does anyone know the keyboard combination to 
force the fans to come on, because I suspect that mine has a bad 
fan, as well.


*sighs as he's planning on spending the price of a used TiBook to 
get the Lombard fixed*


Caleb


Did you notice any odd behavior ?  For example my primary lombard 
will charge my one good battery even though the battery reads 100%. 
This worries me.


You can always try swapping out the PMU - if I knew where it was.

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Re: Lombard frying batteries???

2006-02-17 Thread Malcolm Cornelius
 I dont know why, but I have had _zero_ luck bringing any third party
 WS or lombard batteries back to life.  BTI or Newertech.
 
 Well, I called NewerTech and they think it's a bad PMU, but I still
 want a second opinion. They did say that they could get approval for
 another replacement, if I wanted to, however.
 
 So, are there any other symptoms of a bad PMU other than fried
 batteries? I really don't want to ship my machine off, because it's
 got all my stuff on it, and it's got a couple of cracks in the lower
 case, and one to the left of the LCD on the inside of the lid that I
 don't want to stress any more than I have to.
 
 Also, before I forget, does anyone know the keyboard combination to
 force the fans to come on, because I suspect that mine has a bad fan,
 as well.
 
 *sighs as he's planning on spending the price of a used TiBook to get
 the Lombard fixed*

Mate

Not sure what you are saying here ...

You are spending money like buying a Ti to repair a Lombard - WHY ?

There is no PMU board on a Lombard - so what is being replaced/repaired ?

Even if you are sending it away, take yer HD out - really easy in a Lombard
!

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Re: Lombard frying batteries???

2006-02-17 Thread calebcupplessocialism

Mate

Not sure what you are saying here ...

You are spending money like buying a Ti to repair a Lombard - WHY ?

There is no PMU board on a Lombard - so what is being replaced/repaired ?

Even if you are sending it away, take yer HD out - really easy in a Lombard
!


A: I like the Lombard/Pismo form factor much better than the TiBook 
form factor. Also, the Lombard, if I spread the upgrades out over a 
long enough time, it'll pay for itself in productivity. Plus, the 
Lombard is much easier to upgrade...


B: I had no clue that there was no PMU on the Lombard. Thanks for telling me.

C: I know how easy it is to remove a HD on a Lombard, and I've 
rebuilt a PB 190 from parts, so I know how to do that stuff.


Thanks for the info,
Caleb

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