Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-10-04 Thread crap mail
hi, alsoft's diskwarrior   http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/seems 
to do that and a whole buch more (especially since there isn't a 
compatible version of norton utilities/systeworks with the current mac 
os x, hmm. how do we optimise the hard drive without speeddisk-any 
suggest? thanks!)

rama.
On Sep 30, 2004, at 8:19 PM, Bob wrote:
The National Enquirer reports at 8:50 AM +1000 9/29/04, MMB wrote:
Hi:
I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by
regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for
three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must
be needed but how.
I am not sure that re-building desktop is how I maintain OSX.
Perhaps delving into the pedantic, you *can* actually do the
equivalent in OS X of rebuilding the desktop.
The OS X desktop database is (more or less) automatically
rebuilt/updated whenever you log-in. Some of this information is
cached in ~/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.UserCache.csstore. If you
trash that file, log out and back in, it will force Launch Services
to rebuild much of its knowledge about your installed applications
from scratch.
Also:  to do the equivalent of rebuilding the desktop in OS X, you
need to delete the files: LSApplications, LSClaimedTypes, LSSchemes,
LSApplications_ Backup, LSClaimedTypes_Backup, and .LSSchemes_Backup
(the last 3 are invisible). These files will be rebuilt on restart.
I realize the subject of this thread digressed in a different
direction. But there may come a time when you (the generic you) may
want to perform these steps to correct a problem that you're having.
Just F.Y.I.
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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-10-04 Thread Dennis B. Swaney
At 10:18 AM -0700 10/4/04, crap mail wrote:
hi, alsoft's diskwarrior   http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/ 
seems to do that and a whole buch more (especially since there isn't 
a compatible version of norton utilities/systeworks with the current 
mac os x, hmm. how do we optimise the hard drive without 
speeddisk-any suggest? thanks!)

Symantec has abandoned Mac support so we will no longer suffer their 
garbage repair products. There are at least two products that are 
way better than anything Symantec put out: Alsoft's DiskWarrior and 
MicroMat's Tech Tool Pro.
 http://www.micromat.com  MicroMat also has Drive 10 if you just want 
drive tools; it includes an OS X Optimization feature.
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Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is 
... oh, never mind.

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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-10-01 Thread Mikael Byström
Bob said:

 But there may come a time when you (the generic you) may 
want to perform these steps to correct a problem that you're having.

Thanks Bob. I didn't know this stuff actually.


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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-30 Thread Bob
The National Enquirer reports at 8:50 AM +1000 9/29/04, MMB wrote:

Hi:

I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by
regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for
three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must
be needed but how.

I am not sure that re-building desktop is how I maintain OSX.

Perhaps delving into the pedantic, you *can* actually do the 
equivalent in OS X of rebuilding the desktop.

The OS X desktop database is (more or less) automatically 
rebuilt/updated whenever you log-in. Some of this information is 
cached in ~/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.UserCache.csstore. If you 
trash that file, log out and back in, it will force Launch Services 
to rebuild much of its knowledge about your installed applications 
from scratch.

Also:  to do the equivalent of rebuilding the desktop in OS X, you 
need to delete the files: LSApplications, LSClaimedTypes, LSSchemes, 
LSApplications_ Backup, LSClaimedTypes_Backup, and .LSSchemes_Backup 
(the last 3 are invisible). These files will be rebuilt on restart.

I realize the subject of this thread digressed in a different 
direction. But there may come a time when you (the generic you) may 
want to perform these steps to correct a problem that you're having.

Just F.Y.I.


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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-30 Thread Kathryn Odell
What a bummer! Thanks for the info.
Kate
On Sep 28, 2004, at 9:45 PM, Bob wrote:

Do these daily maintenance tasks run if the computer is sleeping?
No, it needs to up and running.
That's why some people prefer to either perform them manually, or
have another utility do them at a more convenient time.
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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-29 Thread Francis A . Poulin
I have just installed OS X 10.3.5, and want the system, including hard 
drives, to sleep at night.  Will the cron scripts run?  Will the system 
wake itself up and put itself back to sleep?

David Pogue's book The Missing Manual describes scheduled jobs as 
daily, weekly, and monthly at 3:15, 4:30, and 5:30, apparently 
respectively.  But he does not related this to the sleep habit.  And he 
does not say what days to run the system overnight if necessary.

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If you don't leave the system on overnight at least once a week, get
something like MacJanitor and manually run the various cron scripts
that normally run at 3AM. This rotates logs, cleans up temp files, etc
etc.

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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-29 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 29/09/04 13:07, Francis A. Poulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have just installed OS X 10.3.5, and want the system, including hard
 drives, to sleep at night.  Will the cron scripts run?  Will the system
 wake itself up and put itself back to sleep?
 
 David Pogue's book The Missing Manual describes scheduled jobs as
 daily, weekly, and monthly at 3:15, 4:30, and 5:30, apparently
 respectively.  But he does not related this to the sleep habit.  And he
 does not say what days to run the system overnight if necessary.

If the computer is put to sleep, then, no, it won't wake up to run those
scripts and you will have to use some utility to run them manually from time
to time. But this is not that important, and there won't be any harm if the
daily or the weekly script are ran only once a month, for example...

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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-29 Thread Jan Musil
They will not run if the system is asleep. You will need to run them
manually - either from terminal or get the Cocktail utility that can do it
for you.

Jan



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OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-28 Thread MMB
Hi:
I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by 
regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for 
three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must 
be needed but how.

I am not sure that re-building desktop is how I maintain OSX.
What is your advice?
Maria B
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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-28 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Sep 28, 2004, at 3:50 PM, MMB wrote:
Hi:
I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by 
regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for 
three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must 
be needed but how.
If you don't leave the system on overnight at least once a week, get 
something like MacJanitor and manually run the various cron scripts 
that normally run at 3AM. This rotates logs, cleans up temp files, etc 
etc.

There is no 'desktop' to rebuild, per se.
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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-28 Thread darm0k
At 04:07 PM -0700 09/28/2004, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Sep 28, 2004, at 3:50 PM, MMB wrote:
I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy 
by regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 
867 for three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and 
tidying must be needed but how.
If you don't leave the system on overnight at least once a week, get 
something like MacJanitor and manually run the various cron scripts 
that normally run at 3AM. This rotates logs, cleans up temp files, 
etc etc.
Ah!  I was wunderin what our new PB was doing last night!
And here I figured it was playing Chess.

There is no 'desktop' to rebuild, per se.
How does OS X associate file - app?
Da reason I'm asking...  I copied a bunch of ancient MacInTax and 
TurboTax documents from our old PB (G3; OS 9.2.2) to our new 
PowerBook (15 G4; Panther).  Also copied a folder that contains each 
tax app, going back to '95, and their prefs.

On my old PB, under OS 9, double-clicking an older tax data file 
automagically opened the older/matching tax app.  But now under 
Panther, they all launch the newest app only.  I have to manually 
launch the older app then open the file from within.  How do I fix 
this in OS X?

Aside: Apparently Intuit's installers were pretty dumb.  All the 
installs since going to OS 9 on the old PB include the OS X vers of 
the app too.  So the most recent few years of apps don't 
start/require Classic.  Of course those older installers won't run at 
all under Panther or its Classic -- which is why I did the mass-copy.

Thx,
- Dan.
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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-28 Thread MMB
Thanks Bruce.
Is the 3am cleanup done on any particular day?
Can I see that somehow on the hard disc?
Maria B

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:07:47 -0700
On Sep 28, 2004, at 3:50 PM, MMB wrote:
Hi:
I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by
regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for
three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must
be needed but how.
If you don't leave the system on overnight at least once a week, get
something like MacJanitor and manually run the various cron scripts
that normally run at 3AM. This rotates logs, cleans up temp files, etc
etc.
There is no 'desktop' to rebuild, per se.
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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-28 Thread Fabian Fang
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:50:22 +1000, MMB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi:
 
 I am a long-time Mac owner and have kept my previous machines happy by
 regular desktop re-building. I have been using my Powerbook G4 867 for
 three months now and I am concerned. SOme cleaning up and tidying must
 be needed but how.
 
 I am not sure that re-building desktop is how I maintain OSX.
 
 What is your advice?

Under OS X you repair disk permissions instead of rebuillding desktop.
 Take a look here:
http://www.ncmug.org/tips/repair_permissons.html

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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-28 Thread Bob
The National Enquirer reports at 11:22 AM +1000 9/29/04, MMB wrote:

Thanks Bruce.

Is the 3am cleanup done on any particular day?

Apple set the daily maintenance task to run at 3:15 AM, the weekly at 
4:30 AM on Saturdays, and the monthly at 5:30 AM the first day of 
each month.

You can pick up free utilities that will run these scripts 
automatically at any time that you want.

You can also run all of these by hand and read its output in the 
terminal by doing:
sudo /etc/daily
sudo /etc/weekly
sudo /etc/monthly

See Learning the Terminal in Jaguar for a great discussion about 
these tasks. 
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2002/12/06/terminal_osx.html

http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/01/24/terminal_osx.html

http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/03/21/terminal_osx.html


Can I see that somehow on the hard disc?

If you're asking if you can see *if* they ran, or *what* they did, 
the logs (both the most recent and the tar'd recent history stack) 
are in /var/log.  This directory contains quite a collection of logs 
from various subsystems.

You can
1) Open a new Finder window.
2) Choose Go - Go to Folder (or press command+shift+G)
3) Type /var/log and press return.
4) Check the modification date on daily.out -- if it's today, then 
your scripts ran last night.
(daily.out is the log file for the daily script. There's also 
weekly.out and monthly.out)

HTH,

Bob


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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-28 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 28/09/04 20:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On my old PB, under OS 9, double-clicking an older tax data file
 automagically opened the older/matching tax app.  But now under
 Panther, they all launch the newest app only.  I have to manually
 launch the older app then open the file from within.  How do I fix
 this in OS X?

Select on of your older data file, do Info in the Finder. In the window
that appears, open the Open with section tab. There will be a popup menu
there. Click on it, then select the item Other Navigate to find the
application that should open that document. If you want all other documents
of this type to be opened by the selected application, click the Change
All button.

Know that there is a little gotcha to this. After some people theorically
demonstrated that unknown document could trigger the launch of unknown
application and thus, presenting a threat, Apple in one of their latest
system update did change how the application document setting works. You
won't be able to set all documents of a certain type to default to a
specific application of your choosing until you launch the application at
least once. Odd, but I spent about an hour the other day trying to set the
default app for a document type before finding, after trials, errors and
experimentations, that I had never launched this application on my new
PowerBook.

-Laurent.
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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-28 Thread Kathryn Odell
Do these daily maintenance tasks run if the computer is sleeping?
Kate
Apple set the daily maintenance task to run at 3:15 AM, the weekly at
4:30 AM on Saturdays, and the monthly at 5:30 AM the first day of
each month.

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Re: OSX and re-building desktop?

2004-09-28 Thread Bob
The National Enquirer reports at 8:56 PM -0700 9/28/04, Kathryn Odell wrote:
 
  Apple set the daily maintenance task to run at 3:15 AM, the weekly at
  4:30 AM on Saturdays, and the monthly at 5:30 AM the first day of
  each month.

Do these daily maintenance tasks run if the computer is sleeping?

No, it needs to up and running.

That's why some people prefer to either perform them manually, or 
have another utility do them at a more convenient time.

Bob


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