Re: pismo g4 upgrade

[Thomas Ethen]

Now, which one will be the one that works out best?

I guess I will wait until the first people try these out before I make up my
mind which one I will go for. I am going to purchase one of these, as I plan
on keeping my Pismo instead of going for a TiBook or iBook.

Tom

on 8/19/02 3:10 PM, Jeff Drummond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>> AFAIK, there is only one company doing G4 upgrades for Pismo and that's the
>> "reborn" Newer Technology. However, you have to send your Pismo to them so
>> that they can solder a G4 on it.
> 
> Powerlogix http://www.powerlogix.com/> offers a similar mail-in upgrade.
> 
> -Jeff[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: pismo g4 upgrade

[Jeff Drummond]

Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>AFAIK, there is only one company doing G4 upgrades for Pismo and that's the
>"reborn" Newer Technology. However, you have to send your Pismo to them so
>that they can solder a G4 on it.

Powerlogix http://www.powerlogix.com/> offers a similar mail-in upgrade.

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Re: pismo g4 upgrade

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 18/08/02 22:19, Rene Frank at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi, I'm interested in upgrading my pismo to a g4. I've found a few
> places in the States that do the upgrade. I was wondering if anyone
> knows of someone who will do the upgrade in the greater Toronto area.
> just don't like the thought of mailing my powerbook, that and waiting
> almost 2 weeks to get it back, thanks all.

AFAIK, there is only one company doing G4 upgrades for Pismo and that's the
"reborn" Newer Technology. However, you have to send your Pismo to them so
that they can solder a G4 on it. Somebody else on this list did post a link
to a review today. I'm currently reading it. It's
.

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pismo g4 upgrade

[Rene Frank]

Hi, I'm interested in upgrading my pismo to a g4. I've found a few 
places in the States that do the upgrade. I was wondering if anyone 
knows of someone who will do the upgrade in the greater Toronto area.  
just don't like the thought of mailing my powerbook, that and waiting 
almost 2 weeks to get it back, thanks all.


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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade

[Michael Bryan Bell]

>> Have I missed something? I thought Newer Tech was out of business?
> 
> They recently emerged from Bankruptcy and are once again promising to
> deliver new processor upgrades.

Yep, and OWC is the 'exclusive' distributor of at least their pismo upgrade,
although I saw some stuff on their site as to them trying or getting others.

You can take the fact that only OWC is selling it as a major coup for OWC,
or that newer has burned enough bridges that only OWC will sell their
product now (presumably at a higher profit rate than normal).


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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade

[Jeremy Derr]

On Tuesday, June 25, 2002, at 11:43  AM, makmac wrote:

> Have I missed something? I thought Newer Tech was out of business?

They recently emerged from Bankruptcy and are once again promising to 
deliver new processor upgrades.


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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade

[makmac]

Michael Bryan Bell on 6/25/02 10:57 AM wrote:

>> The Newer Tech Pismo upgrade from OWC requires that the entire PowerBook
>> be sent in, FWIW:
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yeah, no benchmarks there either, can't be a good sign.
> 
> 
I checked out the above link and read this:

"This NuPowr G4/500MHz upgrade is performed on your own system by highly
trained technicians at Newer Systems Technology, Inc. Upon purchase of this
product, Other World Computing will ship a padded container to your address
with detailed instructions on how to dispatch your system for upgrade."

While the company name quoted above is just a little different, the logo at
the top of that page is Newer Technologies Inc.

Have I missed something? I thought Newer Tech was out of business?

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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade

[Michael Bryan Bell]

> The Newer Tech Pismo upgrade from OWC requires that the entire PowerBook
> be sent in, FWIW:
> 
> 

Yeah, no benchmarks there either, can't be a good sign.


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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade

[Brian L. Matthews]

>That release reads rather strangely.  It's confusing, one paragraph
>seems to say that you send the card in, another makes it sound like the
>whole 'book.  Relevant paragraphs are below:
>>>
>>>  The BlueChip Pismo requires that the the original processor card have
>>>  its G3
>>>  processor removed, and replaced with the G4-7410. This is due to the
>>>  proprietary nature of the Pismo processor card.
>>>
>>>  Customers who wish to have their laptop upgraded with the BlueChip
>>>  Pismo send
>>>  the laptop to PowerLogix. The original processor card is verified and
>>>  tested
>>>  prior to the chip swap, and retested prior to shipment back to the
>>>  customer.
>>>  Turnaround time is guaranteed to be five business days or less for
>>>  domestic
>  >> customers.

Actually the first paragraph doesn't say anything about sending in 
the processor card, it's just saying it has to be removed, which 
PowerLogix does when you send in the whole computer, per the second 
paragraph.

Brian

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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade

[George Gunderson]

On Monday, June 24, 2002, at 12:53 , Michael Bryan Bell wrote:
>
> You actually have to remove your current daughtercard, send it to 
> them...
> They remove the G3 and add the G4, then send it back. I couldn't really 
> find
> them mentioning this elsewhere.

That release reads rather strangely.  It's confusing, one paragraph 
seems to say that you send the card in, another makes it sound like the 
whole 'book.  Relevant paragraphs are below:
>>
>> The BlueChip Pismo requires that the the original processor card have 
>> its G3
>> processor removed, and replaced with the G4-7410. This is due to the
>> proprietary nature of the Pismo processor card.
>>
>> Customers who wish to have their laptop upgraded with the BlueChip 
>> Pismo send
>> the laptop to PowerLogix. The original processor card is verified and 
>> tested
>> prior to the chip swap, and retested prior to shipment back to the 
>> customer.
>> Turnaround time is guaranteed to be five business days or less for 
>> domestic
>> customers.

The Newer Tech Pismo upgrade from OWC requires that the entire PowerBook 
be sent in, FWIW:



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Pismo G4 upgrade

[Michael Bryan Bell]

I was curious enough to try to find out more about the G4 upgrade offered
for the Pismo's (I was actually looking for benchmarks... Surprise, none
listed). I'm not sure that everyone knew exactly what this "upgrade" quite
entailed, I know I was surprised.

You actually have to remove your current daughtercard, send it to them...
They remove the G3 and add the G4, then send it back. I couldn't really find
them mentioning this elsewhere.

The below is taken from their press release section:


Anyways, thought it might be of interest to those who were interested


> AUSTIN, TEXAS --June 14, 2002 -- PowerLogix today announced the BlueChip Pismo
> G4 500 processor upgrade for PowerBook G3 "Pismo" (aka PowerBook FireWire or
> PowerBook G3 2000) laptops. The upgrade consists of a Motorola PowerPC G4-7410
> processor running at 500 MHz.
> 
> The BlueChip Pismo is the latest in a full line of PowerBook G3 upgrade cards
> offered by PowerLogix.
> 
> The BlueChip Pismo requires that the the original processor card have its G3
> processor removed, and replaced with the G4-7410. This is due to the
> proprietary nature of the Pismo processor card.
> 
> Customers who wish to have their laptop upgraded with the BlueChip Pismo send
> the laptop to PowerLogix. The original processor card is verified and tested
> prior to the chip swap, and retested prior to shipment back to the customer.
> Turnaround time is guaranteed to be five business days or less for domestic
> customers.
> 
> The actual chip swap is subcontracted to a local Austin firm, located about
> ten minutes from PowerLogix, who are experts and specialize exclusively in
> chip rework of this type.
> 
> Customers are provided with complete instructions about the process in a
> shipping package which is overnighted direct to the customer after order
> placement.
> 
> The BlueChip Pismo card is warranted for two years, and is fully compatible
> with all software and hardware, including OS X.
> 
> Availability: The BlueChip Pismo will be available for ordering June 17 on the
> PowerLogix website.
> 
> Pricing: Retail price on the BlueChip Pismo 500 is $329. Price includes Fedex
> overnight shipping both ways. A special introductory price of $299 for the
> Blue Chip Pismo upgrade will be in effect through July, 2002.








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Wonky lists (was: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?)

[James Rohde]

On 6/22/02 2:30 PM Michael Bryan Bell edified us all by writing:

>Well, someone didn't like it as I have about 5 "someone has sent an
>unsubscribe command to the g-books list for your email address, please
>confirm".
>
>Either that, or the lists are going wonky again... But the conspiracy theory
>is more fun.

Shall we go with conspiracy? I got one of those "unsubscribe 
confirmation" emails after sending my reply on the upgrade info... 
H.  :-)

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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

[Peter Graening]

Had the same thing happen to me too, but I am not going to worry about it.
Really, thanks for the help.  I think I will pretty much buy one of these
once I get all the cash to do it, simply because I cannot afford more power
than this can give.  (Already have a 5400 rpm HD, 512MB RAM... The
processing speed has really been what's slowed me down.)  I like my Pismo, I
can't possibly ever replace it ever, and this will probably work wonders for
me. :-)  20-30% sounds very tempting...

Peter

>> Michael - Excellent explanation, plus very useful for those of us (like
>> myself) with 400 MHz Pismos and considering whether/how to upgrade.
>> Thanks!!!
> 
> *smiles*
> 
> Well, someone didn't like it as I have about 5 "someone has sent an
> unsubscribe command to the g-books list for your email address, please
> confirm".
> 
> Either that, or the lists are going wonky again... But the conspiracy theory
> is more fun.
> 
> 
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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

[Michael Bryan Bell]

> Michael - Excellent explanation, plus very useful for those of us (like
> myself) with 400 MHz Pismos and considering whether/how to upgrade.
> Thanks!!!

*smiles*

Well, someone didn't like it as I have about 5 "someone has sent an
unsubscribe command to the g-books list for your email address, please
confirm".

Either that, or the lists are going wonky again... But the conspiracy theory
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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

[James Rohde]

Michael - Excellent explanation, plus very useful for those of us (like 
myself) with 400 MHz Pismos and considering whether/how to upgrade. 
Thanks!!!

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Expected Performance (was: Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?)

[Jeff Szuhay]

>You have a 400mhz G3, and this would be a 500mhz G4. That is a 25% clock
>rate increase. You can expect (because you are plugging it into an older
>architecture) around a 20% speed increase across the board when you factor
>in the limitations of your drive/bus speeds and video card.

Hmm... mostly true. However, comparative benchmarks of G3 systems versus 
G4
systems show that the G4 is about 10% fast when both are the same clock 
speed.
The G4 doesn't just have Alitivec added to it, it has different floating 
point
processors and slightly different integer processors. 

As for the other parts, your 400 MHz G3 can saturate the graphics 
subsystem just
as easily as the G4 so that cancels out. That's part of the reason Apple 
is 
beefing up their graphics sub-systems in newer machines.

Bus speed is also constant but not the bottleneck compared to hard disk 
throughput.
So, I'd say bus speed cancels out as well. Same for RAM speed. With a 
slow hard
drive, bus speed is just not worth considering.

The biggest bottleneck in _any_ computer system is hard disk _throughput_ 
and this
can be improved greatly by getting a faster hard drive (but that is not 
the only 
factor). 

So for you, I would say that you'll notice about a 25-30% speed boost 
across the 
board (even considering the points stated above). Everything will just 
"seem" 
snappier. This is not a trivial boost in performance.

But I'd also consider getting one of those higher density 5400 RPM drives 
(about
$300) if you don't already have one.

And, assuming your Pismo is stable, not too hot, and battery life is not 
a main
concern, a $600 combined upgrade add another year or two to the useful 
life of your 
Pismo, not to mention the immediate benefits of things running faster. 
And OS X will 
continue to be further optimized for the G4.

I have a 500 MHz Pismo with a 5400 RPM drive. And, yes, I am seriously 
considering
this upgrade, mostly for Altivec, esp. w.r.t. OS X. I love the new 
TiBooks but this
machine is only 2 years old and I love its features. Until the TiBooks 
get a G5 --
which is not likely anythime soon because of power and heat constraints, 
I'm planning
on squeezing every last bit of performance out of my beloved Pismo. I 
only wish there
was a way to upgrade the graphics subsystem.

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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

[Justin Ramirez]

Wow.  Thanks a lot Michael.  That was all really useful.  I think I'd 
rather go with a new 700Mhz iBook with the better video card than 
upgrade my pismo...  I think there would be a greater speed difference 
and if I sold my pismo on ebay I'd only be spending one or two hundred 
dollars more than getting the upgrade...and you get a new machine 
(better screen, I think) and a better video card.

Ineresting.

Justin

>> So my question, because I'm seriously considering this, because I like 
>> my
>> Pismo and don't want a TiBook - will this do me any good?  I can 
>> afford it a
>> lot more than a new laptop, and I do a lot of things that would work 
>> better
>> with a G4 - Photoshop, OS X, iTunes, iPhoto - and for sure it would 
>> beat the
>> pants off of my 400Mhz G3.  But is there a possibility of faster 
>> upgrades
>> downstream?
>
> No one can =say= for sure whether or not there will be faster upgrades 
> down
> the pike, I would doubt it for a long while (due to 
> architecture/economic
> reasons) but who knows? A lot of the below is conjecture, but through 
> past
> history and common sense.
>
> Here is the problem with an upgrade like this- the G4 isn't a bad 
> processor,
> but it is focused. Extremely focused. Especially when you are plugging 
> it
> into an older architecture, you end up not getting the same speed 
> increase
> you would if you took a 733mhz G4 and added a dual 1ghz card to it.
>
> You have a 400mhz G3, and this would be a 500mhz G4. That is a 25% clock
> rate increase. You can expect (because you are plugging it into an older
> architecture) around a 20% speed increase across the board when you 
> factor
> in the limitations of your drive/bus speeds and video card. Those are
> basically your points of failure (you can see this in G4 upgrades in 
> older
> machines): bus speed, drive speed, video speed, etc... Those three 
> things
> are what can keep performance from being way up there. Lets go through 
> the
> exact applications you use.
>
> photoshop:
> Don't think you are suddenly going to be using it 50% faster. Most of 
> Pshop
> is not altivec accelerated (and can't be easily). Some filters are. 
> When you
> see the big benchmarks saying on average with altivec it can be 30-50%
> faster, it is because some of the filters benefit drastically and screw 
> up
> the curve. :) And a lot of the drastically accellerated ones are not the
> most commonly used (ie, a gaussian blur or unsharp mask doesn't benefit
> tremendously). Scrolling won't see that much of a benefit due to your 
> video
> card and other issues, using the application itself will see 20% tops. 
> If
> you have to sit through long, long filter processing then you could 
> see a
> big benefit right there.
>
> In fact you can see this by going and looking at the benchmarks around
> between the 400mhz pismo and the 400mhz G4 from old- hardly any increase
> except in photoshop, etc and that was "batch processing testing".
>
> itunes:
> Yeah, itunes sucks up a crazy amount of resources just playing 
> background
> music. But most of that is not altivec accelerated whatsoever. Where 
> you can
> see massive gains with a G4 is in ripping tracks from your G4, types of
> conversion. But those are dependant on a lot of factors... Ie, will you 
> be
> ripping from your internal drive? Chances are your G3 is close to 
> saturating
> the speed of the drive, and the G4 will top out... And your internal 
> hard
> drive- if it has to wait while it processes stuff to your internal 
> drive...
>
> iPhoto:
> Will definitely help, as a lot of the app is altivec accellerated 
> (things
> resize faster, catalog viewing, etc) but its not night and day... It 
> can be
> the difference between frustrating as hell and usable though.
>
> OSX:
> Things will be snappier, such as shadows drawing and others things. But 
> you
> are so limited by your drive it isn't funny- OSX is constantly using 
> it. I
> saw hardly any improvement between a 500mhz tibook and a 667 
> (pre-cache) but
> putting a 5400rpm drive in showed an across the board improvement.
>
> In closing, if it makes sense to you and you are willing to put up with 
> all
> the potentials (a company that has proven unreliable, untested product, 
> etc)
> then go for it. Really you have a bunch of ram (one of the main things 
> you
> can do to improve performance) so about the best thing you could do to 
> see
> big across the board gains would be to upgrade the internal drive to a
> 5400rpm model.
>
> Anyways, hope it helps.
>
>
> Michael Bryan Bell


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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

[Michael Bryan Bell]

> So my question, because I'm seriously considering this, because I like my
> Pismo and don't want a TiBook - will this do me any good?  I can afford it a
> lot more than a new laptop, and I do a lot of things that would work better
> with a G4 - Photoshop, OS X, iTunes, iPhoto - and for sure it would beat the
> pants off of my 400Mhz G3.  But is there a possibility of faster upgrades
> downstream?

No one can =say= for sure whether or not there will be faster upgrades down
the pike, I would doubt it for a long while (due to architecture/economic
reasons) but who knows? A lot of the below is conjecture, but through past
history and common sense.

Here is the problem with an upgrade like this- the G4 isn't a bad processor,
but it is focused. Extremely focused. Especially when you are plugging it
into an older architecture, you end up not getting the same speed increase
you would if you took a 733mhz G4 and added a dual 1ghz card to it.

You have a 400mhz G3, and this would be a 500mhz G4. That is a 25% clock
rate increase. You can expect (because you are plugging it into an older
architecture) around a 20% speed increase across the board when you factor
in the limitations of your drive/bus speeds and video card. Those are
basically your points of failure (you can see this in G4 upgrades in older
machines): bus speed, drive speed, video speed, etc... Those three things
are what can keep performance from being way up there. Lets go through the
exact applications you use.

photoshop:
Don't think you are suddenly going to be using it 50% faster. Most of Pshop
is not altivec accelerated (and can't be easily). Some filters are. When you
see the big benchmarks saying on average with altivec it can be 30-50%
faster, it is because some of the filters benefit drastically and screw up
the curve. :) And a lot of the drastically accellerated ones are not the
most commonly used (ie, a gaussian blur or unsharp mask doesn't benefit
tremendously). Scrolling won't see that much of a benefit due to your video
card and other issues, using the application itself will see 20% tops. If
you have to sit through long, long filter processing then you could see a
big benefit right there.

In fact you can see this by going and looking at the benchmarks around
between the 400mhz pismo and the 400mhz G4 from old- hardly any increase
except in photoshop, etc and that was "batch processing testing".

itunes:
Yeah, itunes sucks up a crazy amount of resources just playing background
music. But most of that is not altivec accelerated whatsoever. Where you can
see massive gains with a G4 is in ripping tracks from your G4, types of
conversion. But those are dependant on a lot of factors... Ie, will you be
ripping from your internal drive? Chances are your G3 is close to saturating
the speed of the drive, and the G4 will top out... And your internal hard
drive- if it has to wait while it processes stuff to your internal drive...

iPhoto:
Will definitely help, as a lot of the app is altivec accellerated (things
resize faster, catalog viewing, etc) but its not night and day... It can be
the difference between frustrating as hell and usable though.

OSX:
Things will be snappier, such as shadows drawing and others things. But you
are so limited by your drive it isn't funny- OSX is constantly using it. I
saw hardly any improvement between a 500mhz tibook and a 667 (pre-cache) but
putting a 5400rpm drive in showed an across the board improvement.

In closing, if it makes sense to you and you are willing to put up with all
the potentials (a company that has proven unreliable, untested product, etc)
then go for it. Really you have a bunch of ram (one of the main things you
can do to improve performance) so about the best thing you could do to see
big across the board gains would be to upgrade the internal drive to a
5400rpm model.

Anyways, hope it helps.


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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

[Keith Ronan]

On 6/21/02 5:04 PM, "P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, I'd like this info from folks as well - Love my Pismo 400.
> 
> Turtle-Bear
> 
> On 6/21/2002 2:42 PM Peter Graening at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> So my question, because I'm seriously considering this, because I like my
>> Pismo and don't want a TiBook - will this do me any good?  I can afford it a
>> lot more than a new laptop, and I do a lot of things that would work better
>> with a G4 - Photoshop, OS X, iTunes, iPhoto - and for sure it would beat the
>> pants off of my 400Mhz G3.  But is there a possibility of faster upgrades
>> downstream?
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
 Anyone spring for one of these yet? I'm just wondering what kind of "real
 world" performance differences I could expect, not really running anything
 all that processor intensive outside of iTunes (yet). I wanna go for it,
> but
 part of me thinks it's just upgradeitis.
I'm curious too. I love my Pizmo big time as well. My favorite computer of
all time I do web site work as well as music and video work. Speed
increase would be nice if it doesn't hurt my machine's reliability.

Keith


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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

[P . Turtle-Bear Guillermo]

Yes, I'd like this info from folks as well - Love my Pismo 400.

Turtle-Bear

On 6/21/2002 2:42 PM Peter Graening at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>So my question, because I'm seriously considering this, because I like my
>Pismo and don't want a TiBook - will this do me any good?  I can afford it a
>lot more than a new laptop, and I do a lot of things that would work better
>with a G4 - Photoshop, OS X, iTunes, iPhoto - and for sure it would beat the
>pants off of my 400Mhz G3.  But is there a possibility of faster upgrades
>downstream?
>
>Peter
>
>>> Anyone spring for one of these yet? I'm just wondering what kind of "real
>>> world" performance differences I could expect, not really running anything
>>> all that processor intensive outside of iTunes (yet). I wanna go for it, 
but
>>> part of me thinks it's just upgradeitis.

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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

[Peter Graening]

So my question, because I'm seriously considering this, because I like my
Pismo and don't want a TiBook - will this do me any good?  I can afford it a
lot more than a new laptop, and I do a lot of things that would work better
with a G4 - Photoshop, OS X, iTunes, iPhoto - and for sure it would beat the
pants off of my 400Mhz G3.  But is there a possibility of faster upgrades
downstream?

Peter

>> Anyone spring for one of these yet? I'm just wondering what kind of "real
>> world" performance differences I could expect, not really running anything
>> all that processor intensive outside of iTunes (yet). I wanna go for it, but
>> part of me thinks it's just upgradeitis.
> 
> I'm kind of curious about these also, but more out of an economic curiosity
> stand point... The mac upgrade market will still be dead for a good while,
> but I'm glad they're still making a go of it.
> 
> You can pretty much figure out how the upgrades will perform by past
> history, and your pismo's limitations. Battery life will be interesting,
> though. 
> 
> Basically, look at the performance numbers for the blue and white and beige
> G3's. Then look at how the performance increase of the G4 upgrades
> comparable to Newer's offering. Take the percentage increase, and your
> general performance increase will be that minus 15-25% in general (excepting
> certain disk functions). You can get those benchmarks all over the web
> (email me offlist and I'll send you to a bunch if you need).
> 
> Remember that with the G4 there is a difference between processor intensive
> and altivec intensive, and there are I/o issues. Sort of like how ripping
> mp3's is a lot faster in the newer g4's if you just get a CDR and aren't
> doing it on a superdrive (the superdrive is the bottleneck, not the
> processor).


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Re: Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

[Michael Bryan Bell]

> Anyone spring for one of these yet? I'm just wondering what kind of "real
> world" performance differences I could expect, not really running anything
> all that processor intensive outside of iTunes (yet). I wanna go for it, but
> part of me thinks it's just upgradeitis.

I'm kind of curious about these also, but more out of an economic curiosity
stand point... The mac upgrade market will still be dead for a good while,
but I'm glad they're still making a go of it.

You can pretty much figure out how the upgrades will perform by past
history, and your pismo's limitations. Battery life will be interesting,
though. 

Basically, look at the performance numbers for the blue and white and beige
G3's. Then look at how the performance increase of the G4 upgrades
comparable to Newer's offering. Take the percentage increase, and your
general performance increase will be that minus 15-25% in general (excepting
certain disk functions). You can get those benchmarks all over the web
(email me offlist and I'll send you to a bunch if you need).

Remember that with the G4 there is a difference between processor intensive
and altivec intensive, and there are I/o issues. Sort of like how ripping
mp3's is a lot faster in the newer g4's if you just get a CDR and aren't
doing it on a superdrive (the superdrive is the bottleneck, not the
processor).


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Pismo G4 upgrade - results?

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Anyone spring for one of these yet? I'm just wondering what kind of "real 
world" performance differences I could expect, not really running anything 
all that processor intensive outside of iTunes (yet). I wanna go for it, but 
part of me thinks it's just upgradeitis.


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