Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-10 Thread Krevnik 
Actually, the entire PPC line is derived from a lot of IBM's POWER 
series, hence the name: PowerPC. The 970 produces a lot more heat 
because IBM went with a fairly power-hungry wide&deep pipeline. As 
power consumption in a silicon device increases, so does the heat 
produced. IBM didn't exactly have a choice other than cripple the chip 
at a lower speed rating if they wanted to keep power usage in line with 
the current G4s for the first 970 run.

On Dec 10, 2003, at 2:06 PM, David Ensteness wrote:

I love Mac people, if Windows were are critical as we are, no one 
would use an MS product. As soon as the G5 is out - "When does my G5 
PowerBook arrive"

Heehee.

Obviously IBM and Apple have or will or are trying to see if it can be 
done, Apple said don't expect it within the next year publicly.

Will Apple move to another processor in portables after the G4? Well, 
yeah ... Will it be the G5? eh don't know, they are certainly looking 
into it from what is heard on the net. Do note the first rev.'s of the 
G4 didn't work in portables either.

The G5 is a much hotter chip and one may rightfully question how and 
why IBM went from such a power efficient chip [PowerPC 7x0] to the 
heat producing PowerPC 970. The answer has mostly to do with the 970 
coming from the Power architecture.

David

On Dec 10, 2003, at 12:21 PM, Mikael Byström wrote:

stewart ebneter said:

I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because 
they
are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much trouble 
with
the cooling system in the g5 desktop.
So why does there exist a 1.3 Ghz "portable" version at IBM of the G5
processor, if it can't be used in a portable system? At least it have
been made as a prototype.
There will be portable non G3/G4 systems, but the question is when and
perhaps how they will have changed in design to improve heat 
dissipation.
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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-10 Thread David Ensteness 
I love Mac people, if Windows were are critical as we are, no one would 
use an MS product. As soon as the G5 is out - "When does my G5 
PowerBook arrive"

Heehee.

Obviously IBM and Apple have or will or are trying to see if it can be 
done, Apple said don't expect it within the next year publicly.

Will Apple move to another processor in portables after the G4? Well, 
yeah ... Will it be the G5? eh don't know, they are certainly looking 
into it from what is heard on the net. Do note the first rev.'s of the 
G4 didn't work in portables either.

The G5 is a much hotter chip and one may rightfully question how and 
why IBM went from such a power efficient chip [PowerPC 7x0] to the heat 
producing PowerPC 970. The answer has mostly to do with the 970 coming 
from the Power architecture.

David

On Dec 10, 2003, at 12:21 PM, Mikael Byström wrote:

stewart ebneter said:

I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because 
they
are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much trouble 
with
the cooling system in the g5 desktop.
So why does there exist a 1.3 Ghz "portable" version at IBM of the G5
processor, if it can't be used in a portable system? At least it have
been made as a prototype.
There will be portable non G3/G4 systems, but the question is when and
perhaps how they will have changed in design to improve heat 
dissipation.
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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-10 Thread Mikael Byström 
stewart ebneter said:

> I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they
> are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much trouble with
> the cooling system in the g5 desktop.

So why does there exist a 1.3 Ghz "portable" version at IBM of the G5
processor, if it can't be used in a portable system? At least it have
been made as a prototype.

There will be portable non G3/G4 systems, but the question is when and
perhaps how they will have changed in design to improve heat dissipation.





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Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement

2003-12-09 Thread Eugene Lee 
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:13:28AM -0600, Melvin Watts wrote:
: 
: Well, we all know that if apple and IBM continue to use the same chip 
: technology, they better reconstruct the design of laptops. . .it just 
: simply comes down to heat transfer. It takes a lot more heat [more than 
: what the chip can generate] to heat the air!!?? So really the problem 
: is air and space in the powerbook design, however, anything is 
: possible. GO FIGURE!!

When you pump a lot of electrons into an electrical system, one of the
by-products is heat.  Too much heat causes irrepairable damage.  The
real problem is adequate heat disappation to keep the electrical system
within its operating parameters so that stuff doesn't melt into a
useless goo.  Most solutions have been with traditional heat sinks:
either blocks of metal to radiate heat away and increase surface area
with the air, or fans to circulate more air to remove more heat from
heat sinks.   But heat sinks have their physical limits (a block of
metal only conducts so much heat) and physical constraints (how much
room do you have in a computer?).  And fans must use electricity to pump
more air (and how loud do you like your fans?).

Now on top of these problems, add the constraints of a smaller form,
limited power supply, and an end-user desire for less noise.  It's not
a trivial problem.  Saying that it's just a matter of getting more air
demonstrates not only a lack of knowledge in the area, but moreso a lack
of respect for difficulty of the problem.  Go figure.


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Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement

2003-12-09 Thread Melvin Watts 
Well, we all know that if apple and IBM continue to use the same chip 
technology, they better reconstruct the design of laptops. . .it just 
simply comes down to heat transfer. It takes a lot more heat [more than 
what the chip can generate] to heat the air!!?? So really the problem 
is air and space in the powerbook design, however, anything is 
possible. GO FIGURE!!

-MW .
On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 09:27 AM, Steve Fuller wrote:
Look at the new generation of G5s that are coming out next month. They 
use a 90nm fab process, and from what I have been reading the chips 
dissipate less heat than the current generation. G5's in laptops are 
do-able. Apple and IBM have to get the chip's power consumption down 
low enough, and the form factor of the notebooks may have to change in 
order for it to happen.

steve f

On Dec 8, 2003, at 9:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This argument was used about the G4's "never being cool enough" to 
put in a
Powerbook, in 2000..
Of course temp issues have never slowed down the dark side--they just
supercharge the cooling fans.  Maybe the Mac laptops can become like 
Windows,
measured by decibels of noise not Mhz of speed!

tom

In a message dated 12/8/03 8:27:30 AM, you wrote:

I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because
they are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much 
trouble
with he cooling system in the g5 desktop.

I wouldn't put money on it.   How many times have you heard 
technology
prognosticators say this or that "will never happen" only to be 
proven
wrong within a year?  Do you think Apple is going to just stop making
laptops?  They'll find a way.  Maybe a new cooler chip?  Or perhaps
liquid cooling is coming.  Hmmm...  I can see the new System Prefs 
pane
now - "Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now!"  Do you
think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance?
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Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement

2003-12-08 Thread Nikon's World 
On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 07:26  AM, Charles wrote:

On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 10:33  PM, Stewart Ebneter wrote:

I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because 
they
are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much trouble 
with
the cooling system in the g5 desktop.

I wouldn't put money on it.   How many times have you heard technology 
prognosticators say this or that "will never happen" only to be proven 
wrong within a year?  Do you think Apple is going to just stop making 
laptops?  They'll find a way.  Maybe a new cooler chip?  Or perhaps 
liquid cooling is coming.  Hmmm...  I can see the new System Prefs 
pane now - "Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now!"  Do 
you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance?

Charles


G5's run cooler than G4's, so a G5 laptop will happen.

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-08 Thread Melvin Watts 
Pismo's were brought on the market to satisfy the video edititng 
enthusiast. And as we know, any application extensive programs like 
FCP, iMovie 2+3 need a lot of head room as to processing power, and 
ram. Well, sad to say lombard's were never intended to market as video 
processing machines. . . and therefore never really needed as much 
power as the pismo, 500MHZ is really wonderful for a lombard,  At least 
that was my observation.

-MW .
On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 12:14 PM, peter webster wrote:
Then there are those of us who buy used machines off the swap list or 
out of pawn shops and a G4 or a G5 is about as real a prospect as Bush 
resigning in disgrace.


 > Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips 
beginning
 > sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but 
I needed
 > mine ASAP in case I get deployed.

 Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? 
I'll be in
 the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a 
new hard
 drive.
Dang, why is the Pismo getting so much loving on the G3 speed market 
when us Lombard users are stuck deciding between a G3/500 and G4/500.


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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-08 Thread Krevnik 
Actually, I was just expressing my annoyance that the Pismo is going up 
to 900Mhz/1Ghz on their G3 chips (so you get to decide between G3/900 
and G4/500 as upgrade options)... while the Lombard users get to choose 
between G3/500 and G4/500 as upgrade options. The G3/900 chips aren't 
different enough to prevent their use in the Lombard, which makes me 
curious.

On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The pismo is a great machine, but the lombard is 1. 66mhz, and 2. 
missing
firewire.  Other than that, it's an absolutely wonderful machine as 
well.

Tom

In a message dated 12/8/03 11:18:39 AM, you wrote:

Then there are those of us who buy used machines off the swap list or
out of pawn shops and a G4 or a G5 is about as real a prospect as
Bush resigning in disgrace.

Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips 
beginning
sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I
needed
mine ASAP in case I get deployed.
 Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? 
I'll be
in
 the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a 
new hard
 drive.
Dang, why is the Pismo getting so much loving on the G3 speed market
when us Lombard users are stuck deciding between a G3/500 and G4/500.

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-08 Thread Bigbikerbo 
The pismo is a great machine, but the lombard is 1. 66mhz, and 2. missing 
firewire.  Other than that, it's an absolutely wonderful machine as well. 

Tom

In a message dated 12/8/03 11:18:39 AM, you wrote:

>Then there are those of us who buy used machines off the swap list or 
>out of pawn shops and a G4 or a G5 is about as real a prospect as 
>Bush resigning in disgrace.
>
>
  > Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning
  > sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I 
needed
  > mine ASAP in case I get deployed.

  Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? I'll be 
in
  the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a new hard
  drive.
>>
>>Dang, why is the Pismo getting so much loving on the G3 speed market 
>>when us Lombard users are stuck deciding between a G3/500 and G4/500.
>>
>>

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-08 Thread peter webster 
Then there are those of us who buy used machines off the swap list or 
out of pawn shops and a G4 or a G5 is about as real a prospect as 
Bush resigning in disgrace.


 > Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning
 > sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I needed
 > mine ASAP in case I get deployed.
 Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? I'll be in
 the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a new hard
 drive.
Dang, why is the Pismo getting so much loving on the G3 speed market 
when us Lombard users are stuck deciding between a G3/500 and G4/500.


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Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement

2003-12-08 Thread Steve Fuller 
Look at the new generation of G5s that are coming out next month. They 
use a 90nm fab process, and from what I have been reading the chips 
dissipate less heat than the current generation. G5's in laptops are 
do-able. Apple and IBM have to get the chip's power consumption down 
low enough, and the form factor of the notebooks may have to change in 
order for it to happen.

steve f

On Dec 8, 2003, at 9:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This argument was used about the G4's "never being cool enough" to put 
in a
Powerbook, in 2000..
Of course temp issues have never slowed down the dark side--they just
supercharge the cooling fans.  Maybe the Mac laptops can become like 
Windows,
measured by decibels of noise not Mhz of speed!

tom

In a message dated 12/8/03 8:27:30 AM, you wrote:

I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because
they are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much 
trouble
with he cooling system in the g5 desktop.

I wouldn't put money on it.   How many times have you heard technology
prognosticators say this or that "will never happen" only to be proven
wrong within a year?  Do you think Apple is going to just stop making
laptops?  They'll find a way.  Maybe a new cooler chip?  Or perhaps
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pane
now - "Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now!"  Do you
think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance?
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Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement

2003-12-08 Thread Bigbikerbo 
This argument was used about the G4's "never being cool enough" to put in a 
Powerbook, in 2000..
Of course temp issues have never slowed down the dark side--they just 
supercharge the cooling fans.  Maybe the Mac laptops can become like Windows, 
measured by decibels of noise not Mhz of speed!

tom

In a message dated 12/8/03 8:27:30 AM, you wrote:
>
>> I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because 
>> they are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much trouble 
>> with he cooling system in the g5 desktop.
>>
>I wouldn't put money on it.   How many times have you heard technology 
>prognosticators say this or that "will never happen" only to be proven 
>wrong within a year?  Do you think Apple is going to just stop making 
>laptops?  They'll find a way.  Maybe a new cooler chip?  Or perhaps 
>liquid cooling is coming.  Hmmm...  I can see the new System Prefs pane 
>now - "Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now!"  Do you 
>think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance?

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G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement

2003-12-08 Thread Charles 
On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 10:33  PM, Stewart Ebneter wrote:

I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because 
they
are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much trouble 
with
the cooling system in the g5 desktop.

I wouldn't put money on it.   How many times have you heard technology 
prognosticators say this or that "will never happen" only to be proven 
wrong within a year?  Do you think Apple is going to just stop making 
laptops?  They'll find a way.  Maybe a new cooler chip?  Or perhaps 
liquid cooling is coming.  Hmmm...  I can see the new System Prefs pane 
now - "Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now!"  Do you 
think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance?

Charles

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-07 Thread Krevnik 
> Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning
> sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I 
needed
> mine ASAP in case I get deployed.

Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? I'll 
be in
the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a new 
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drive.
Dang, why is the Pismo getting so much loving on the G3 speed market 
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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-07 Thread Jason Long 
I think that it will around the same price, but don't hold me to that.

Jason

> Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning
> sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I needed
> mine ASAP in case I get deployed.
Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? I'll be in
the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a new hard
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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-07 Thread Frank P. Eigler 
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, stewart ebneter wrote:

> I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they
  ^
> are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much trouble with
> the cooling system in the g5 desktop.

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-07 Thread Eugene Lee 
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 11:00:05PM -0600, Jason Long wrote:
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: Eugene,
: Lighten up, man! I rather expect that Apple will follow the same pattern
: it did with the G4 with the first notebook variants of the new processor 
: following about a year or so behind the desktops.

I hope that Apple can squeeze a G5 into a PowerBook.  If they can do so,
it would be in another 6-12 months.  This is based on a turnaround time
simliar to the G3 and the G4 migration from the desktop to the laptop.
When I see an Apple product announcement, I'll get just as excited.  :-)
But until then, it's just a rumor, and there's really no point in talking
about rumors.


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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-07 Thread Joe Crow 
The chair recognizes Jason Long at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make it
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> Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning
> sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I needed
> mine ASAP in case I get deployed.

Yummy! Did they give you any idea on the price for the new one? I'll be in
the market for a chip upgrade early next year, after I pop in a new hard
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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-06 Thread Jason Long 
Eugene,
Lighten up, man! I rather expect that Apple will follow the same pattern it 
did with the G4 with the first notebook variants of the new processor 
following about a year or so behind the desktops. Sure the timing's 
variable, but I have every confidence that they will stuff a G5, almost 
certainly the new version on the 90nm die, into a Powerbook. The newer G5 
(970FX?) is reputed to have about 2/3 of the power requirement of the 
current 130nm G5, which will make installation into a Powerbook a much 
simpler process.

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-06 Thread stewart ebneter 
I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they
are just too hot for such.  this is why they went to so much trouble with
the cooling system in the g5 desktop.

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-06 Thread Eugene Lee 
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:23:38PM -0500, Nick wrote:
: 
: on 12/6/03 12:34 PM, Jason Long at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: > 
: > Now I can wait until the Powerbook G5s come out next Fall!
: 
: Powerbook G5 are coming out next fall???  Where did you hear that?

It's a rumor.  Nothing more.

Jason, please do not perpetuate unsubstantiated rumors as casual
statements of fact.  All I ask is that you prepend any rumor with
the appropriate adjectival disclaimer, e.g.:

: > Now I can wait until the Powerbook G5s come out next Fall!

can be better expressed as:

: > Now I can wait until the *rumored* Powerbook G5s come out next Fall!


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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-06 Thread Jason Long 
It's all over the usual Mac rumors sites like http://www.macosrumors.com/ 
and http://www.appleinsider.com/. Although it seems likely that the desktops 
will be running G6s aka PowerPC 980 chips by that time.

Also be advised the Powerlogix will be using G3/1000 chips beginning 
sometime in January. They offered me the option of waiting, but I needed 
mine ASAP in case I get deployed.

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-06 Thread Nick 
on 12/6/03 12:34 PM, Jason Long at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>..
> ..
> Now I can wait until the Powerbook G5s come out next Fall!
> 
> Jason

Powerbook G5 are coming out next fall???  Where did you hear that?

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-06 Thread Jason Long 
I just upgraded my Pismo yesterday from 400 MHz. I really didn't bother to 
benchmark anything except my massive genealogy database in Reunion as other 
people have already provided them.
Find time dropped from 3:43 to 1:40
Merge time dropped from 7:38 to 5:21

No problems with installation and I've noticed no issues with battery life 
or heat as of yet (of course, my apt. is rather underheated and so may not 
be a valid testing enviroment!)

I'm very happy with it although I did have some issues with Powerlogix. I'd 
strongly recommend getting a duplicate CPU to use while they do their magic 
(Got mine off Ebay). It took about two weeks from when I sent the CPU off 
before I got it back, although that was over the Thanksgiving holiday 
weekend.

Now I can wait until the Powerbook G5s come out next Fall!

Jason
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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-05 Thread James Rohde 
On 12/5/03 7:03 PM, 'edu' enlightened us by writing:

>Hi, I have a PB g3 400 Pismo and I want to upgrade this mac because is a 
>machine that has performed really good in since i bought it, tis an 
>excellent machine and good looking too.
>I want to know if someone can help me about the processor upgrades that are 
>available, are they worth the money and how good is the improvement under 
>OS X
>Tahnks

I would say with Laurent that the PowerLogix G3/900 upgrade for the 
processor is worth looking at (I hope to upgrade with that for my Pismo). 
See what Charles Moore has to say on a couple of sites about it:

http://www.macopinion.com/columns/roadwarrior/03/05/06/

http://www.applelinks.com/articles/2003/05/20030506111612.shtml

and here's a comparison of different CPU upgrades:

http://www.macspeedzone.com/html/hubs/central/upgrades/processor/index.shtm
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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-05 Thread Gary Adams 
On Friday, December 5, 2003, at 11:19 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

On 05/12/03 12:57, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi, I have a PB g3 400 Pismo and I want to upgrade this mac because 
is a
machine that has performed really good in since i bought it, tis an 
excellent
machine and good looking too.
I want to know if someone can help me about the processor upgrades 
that are
available, are they worth the money and how good is the improvement 
under OS X
You didn't mention the current specs of your Pismo, so I'll start with 
the
obvious.


Get a faster hard drive. You can get a 40GB Travelstar at 5400rpm that 
will
also give a little boost. There are larger drives, but they're are
exponentially more expensive.
-Laurent.

I just installed the 7200 rpm 60gb Travelstar in mine, and it's quiet 
and fast. No apparent battery effects.

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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-05 Thread Gary Adams 
The processor upgrades look good from what I've read. From what I've 
read the Powerlogix blue chip G3 900 is just as fast, if not faster, 
than the Newertech G4 500. Additionally, you don't have to send you 
'book away, just the daughtercard.

Gary
On Friday, December 5, 2003, at 11:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, I have a PB g3 400 Pismo and I want to upgrade this mac because is 
a
machine that has performed really good in since i bought it, tis an 
excellent
machine and good looking too.
I want to know if someone can help me about the processor upgrades 
that are
available, are they worth the money and how good is the improvement 
under OS X
Tahnks
Hi, I have a PB g3 400 Pismo and I want to upgrade this mac because is 
a
machine that has performed really good in since i bought it, tis an 
excellent
machine and good looking too.
I want to know if someone can help me about the processor upgrades 
that are
available, are they worth the money and how good is the improvement 
under OS X
Thhnks


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Re: Pismo improvement

2003-12-05 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
On 05/12/03 12:57, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, I have a PB g3 400 Pismo and I want to upgrade this mac because is a
> machine that has performed really good in since i bought it, tis an excellent
> machine and good looking too.
> I want to know if someone can help me about the processor upgrades that are
> available, are they worth the money and how good is the improvement under OS X

You didn't mention the current specs of your Pismo, so I'll start with the
obvious.

Get memory. At least 512MB. More if you can. Memory is relatively cheap and
will give a good boost to OS X.

Get a faster hard drive. You can get a 40GB Travelstar at 5400rpm that will
also give a little boost. There are larger drives, but they're are
exponentially more expensive.

Get Panther (OS X 10.3). You will get a much snappier OS.

Finally, you could get the Sonnet 900MHz G3 upgrade. Unless you're planning
to use Altivec-based applications (like iDVD), the G3 upgrade will give you
more bangs for the bucks.

That's pretty much what I can think of right now...

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Pismo improvement

2003-12-05 Thread edu 
Hi, I have a PB g3 400 Pismo and I want to upgrade this mac because is a 
machine that has performed really good in since i bought it, tis an excellent 
machine and good looking too.
I want to know if someone can help me about the processor upgrades that are 
available, are they worth the money and how good is the improvement under OS X
Tahnks
Hi, I have a PB g3 400 Pismo and I want to upgrade this mac because is a 
machine that has performed really good in since i bought it, tis an excellent 
machine and good looking too.
I want to know if someone can help me about the processor upgrades that are 
available, are they worth the money and how good is the improvement under OS X
Thhnks


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