Re: ARGH! Please help me.... sob sob

2002-10-09 Thread Laurent Daudelin 

On 09/10/02 04:11, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey there,
> 
>   I think its fair to say that I went into this process of installing mac
> os X, which I've had nothing but problems with in the past, in a positive
> mind set. But after installing it on my laptop, I have officially lost faith
> in Apple's ability to make a functional operating system (its just gone down
> hill from os 8...) This is my last hope- that you guys can help me- and I'm
> willing to bet that you can ( =
> This is what I am working on:
> A 333 bronze powerbook,
> 4.5gig hd
> 320mb ram
> 24x CD
> no additional cards, no airport
> 
> I installed mac os 9.2.1 and X.04 first. Well, sort of. it took freezing
> twice before I got it on my hard drive. Then, I upgraded to 10.1. This time,
> I got the most non-mac-like error of my life: at the end of the install, a
> few lines of dos style text dropped over the pristine interface, reading
> roughly that something 'failed, operations halted, panic, awaiting remote
> debugger.' I dont think that this is a kernel panic, as I thought it was a
> bit more graphic than some text. Nonetheless, it froze. I restarted and began
> to install again. This time it worked just fine, and I was greeted with a new
> mac os X desktop. I really like the look and feel of X, and people keep
> telling me that jag is the way to go, and it really speeds things up.
> 
> So then came the next part- jag.
> I inserted CD 1, checked for firmware updates, of which there were none, and
> proceeded to install. Wow, what a cool start up! I love the apple and
> spinning line design! truly simple and elegant. Well, mid install, it froze
> and I got to see the start up again as i went to install a second time. woo
> hoo! This time it worked like a charm, getting through both CDs and to the
> desktop. Very cool, I have to admit that it IS much more responsive. I
> clicked on sherlock to see what apple did that was new in 3, and it said it
> needed an internet connection. I was a bit confused, so I hit apple-f and was
> rewarded by a system 7.6-esque find function- I was very happy to see that,
> as I wasn't really crazy about sherlock to begin with. I went back to
> sherlock- and the computer froze. I restarted, then went into system control
> panels to change my clock style- and it froze. I restarted, and this time it
> lasted more than 30 seconds, nearly 4 minutes. That ended once I clicked on
> the apple menu. Froze again.
> 
> I dont get it. What am I missing? is there some sort of 'dont freeze
> randomly' option I have to find in the control panel? I think there should
> be. Also important to note, I formatted the hd before starting this whole X
> fiasco, even taking the time to zero all data. Aside from my complaint that
> it should NOT take an assembly language programer's level of computer
> expertise to get an operating system on a clean computer, it obviously does
> and I sadly lack that expertise. I can write "hello world."
> 
> I need to use this computer for classes soon and would *like* to use 10.2
> because it actually can sleep and wake up, unlike 9.2. I would appreciate any
> help- I'm just really stressed out over this.
> 
> Thanks guys, I owe you a million!
> -Dylan
> 
> ps- meanwhile i will d/l 10.2.1 update and see if that helps.

Dylan,

You don't have to go through the pain of installing 10.0 in order to install
10.2. If you haven't done much yet, I would recommend you do a clean install
of 10.2 directly, then upgrade to 10.2.1.

Now, with your problems, I concur with the other posters that you're most
likely have some kind of hardware problems, probably faulty memory or
processor.

-Laurent.
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non-optimality is left alone. Often used to describe interfaces. The more
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easier, the funkier it is. TECO and UUCP are funky. The Intel i860's
exception handling is extraordinarily funky. Most standards acquire
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Re: ARGH! Please help me.... sob sob

2002-10-09 Thread Jim Eddy 

Some of the early Bronze "Lombard" machines had a faulty processor or  
processor card that causes freezing under OSX with certain RAM  
configurations. This has been often discussed here and elsewhere. Try a  
search on MacFixit or MacInTouch message boards. I have heard that  
Apple will still replace these processor cards even though the machine  
is past warranty if you plead, rant, rave,  etc. enough. So check out  
the boards, or others on this list may have more on this. Then contact  
1-800-SOS-Appl or a local repair facility.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 04:11  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I went back to sherlock- and the computer froze. I restarted, then  
> went into system control
> panels to change my clock style- and it froze. I restarted, and this  
> time it
> lasted more than 30 seconds, nearly 4 minutes. That ended once I  
> clicked on
> the apple menu. Froze again.

> I dont get it. What am I missing? is there some sort of 'dont freeze
> randomly' option I have to find in the control panel? I think there  
> should
> be.

 
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Re: ARGH! Please help me.... sob sob

2002-10-09 Thread Kevin Stevens 


On Wednesday, Oct 9, 2002, at 01:11 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> mind set. But after installing it on my laptop, I have officially lost 
> faith
> in Apple's ability to make a functional operating system (its just 
> gone down
> hill from os 8...) This is my last hope- that you guys can help me- 
> and I'm
> willing to bet that you can ( =
> This is what I am working on:
> A 333 bronze powerbook,
> 4.5gig hd
> 320mb ram
> 24x CD
> no additional cards, no airport
>
> So then came the next part- jag.
> I inserted CD 1, checked for firmware updates, of which there were 
> none, and
> proceeded to install. Wow, what a cool start up! I love the apple and
> spinning line design! truly simple and elegant. Well, mid install, it 
> froze
> and I got to see the start up again as i went to install a second 
> time. woo
> hoo! This time it worked like a charm, getting through both CDs and to 
> the
> desktop. Very cool, I have to admit that it IS much more responsive. I
> clicked on sherlock to see what apple did that was new in 3, and it 
> said it
> needed an internet connection. I was a bit confused, so I hit apple-f 
> and was
> rewarded by a system 7.6-esque find function- I was very happy to see 
> that,
> as I wasn't really crazy about sherlock to begin with. I went back to
> sherlock- and the computer froze. I restarted, then went into system 
> control
> panels to change my clock style- and it froze. I restarted, and this 
> time it
> lasted more than 30 seconds, nearly 4 minutes. That ended once I 
> clicked on
> the apple menu. Froze again.

I would suggest doing the Jaguar installation directly rather than 
upgrading from a previous version, but I don't believe that's your 
problem.

> I dont get it. What am I missing? is there some sort of 'dont freeze
> randomly' option I have to find in the control panel? I think there 
> should
> be. Also important to note, I formatted the hd before starting this 
> whole X
> fiasco, even taking the time to zero all data. Aside from my complaint 
> that
> it should NOT take an assembly language programer's level of computer
> expertise to get an operating system on a clean computer, it obviously 
> does
> and I sadly lack that expertise. I can write "hello world."

I think you have hardware problems, and am guessing ram.  Those lines 
of text you described were indeed the result of a kernel panic, which 
is almost always hardware or a very low-level driver of some kind.  
That's not normal, the freezes aren't normal, having to repeat the 
installation isn't normal.  Pulling/swapping ram would be my next step. 
  I know, I know, it works under 9.  Ram problems can be mysterious, 
Novell Netware used to be the worst.  You could take a box that had 
been running Windows or Unix for months, install Netware, and it would 
bomb every hour until you replaced the ram with some that it liked.  
What people say about one OS "stressing" the ram harder than another is 
a horrendous oversimplification, but certainly memory problems can 
surface under one OS but not another.  You've never had *any* problems 
with this machine before?

KeS


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