Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
Laurent, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I can go ahead pretty quickly since my 3rd party apps are on a separate partition and I don't need to re-install them if I decide to erase the OS X partition. Doesn't any of your apps affect the system or library? Many apps do, though simpler apps may contain everything inside the package. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: You can certainly install OS 9 after OS X. Can this be done only if the hard drive is, or has already been, partitioned? I had always been under the impression that OS 9 had to be installed first. This question came up because the media lab where I work just bought seven new G5s and I was asked about this. The question was moot because upon looking at the contents of the hard drive, OS 9 was already there. (I assume since there was only one hard drive icon, that it hasn't been partitioned AND this both had already been installed by Apple.) On a related note, does Apple install OS 9 on all new machines? There were restore disks for OS X, but they didn't supply any for OS 9. Seven new beauties and I snagged a couple of the shipping boxes! I hate seeing these end up in the garbage! I'll have some new furniture from them! Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
Can this be done only if the hard drive is, or has already been, partitioned? I had always been under the impression that OS 9 had to be installed first. To make a new partition on your computer, without reformatting your hard drive, you should check out this cool program called VolumneWorks. See link Below. http://www.subrosasoft.com/thestore/default.php On a related note, does Apple install OS 9 on all new machines? There were restore disks for OS X, but they didn't supply any for OS 9. OS 9 on all new machines is for running classic only. If you have your software restore disk, and you select customize, you will see the option to install classic. Just remember all new machines only boot into OS X. I hope you are not under the impression that by installing classic on your new G5's, that you will able to boot into OS 9. Those days are gone. Regards, Aaron Willems -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 07:44 PM, Aaron Willems wrote: OS 9 on all new machines is for running classic only. If you have your software restore disk, and you select customize, you will see the option to install classic. Just remember all new machines only boot into OS X. I hope you are not under the impression that by installing classic on your new G5's, that you will able to boot into OS 9. Those days are gone. OS 9 was already installed by Apple. There's some legacy software that some professor might want to use, so it might be needed. I'm confused though. I thought Classic could only be invoked if a full install of OS 9 were first installed. I guess I thought of Classic as an emulator that wouldn't work without the actual full install of OS 9 being on the hard drive. Does the customize option mean that the restore disks contain a version of OS 9 to make Classic work? Again, I guess I'm thinking that the emulator (Classic) can't function independently from the full install of OS 9. So then i thought, if these machines ever need a clean install, will Classic ever work if OS 9 were not first installed? I'm assuming the lab still has copies of OS 9 on hand if need be. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
NO, when you install classic, you install a full version of OS 9. So as long as you have your software restore CD's, your good to go. And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. -- Aaron Willems I'm confused though. I thought Classic could only be invoked if a full install of OS 9 were first installed. I guess I thought of Classic as an emulator that wouldn't work without the actual full install of OS 9 being on the hard drive. Does the customize option mean that the restore disks contain a version of OS 9 to make Classic work? Again, I guess I'm thinking that the emulator (Classic) can't function independently from the full install of OS 9. So then i thought, if these machines ever need a clean install, will Classic ever work if OS 9 were not first installed? I'm assuming the lab still has copies of OS 9 on hand if need be. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. No, it's not. Virtual PC has to emulate the processor, Classic doesn't (for a PowerPC application, for a 68k application it does, but the same thing happens when booted into OS 9). Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. No, it's not. Virtual PC has to emulate the processor, Classic doesn't (for a PowerPC application, for a 68k application it does, but the same thing happens when booted into OS 9). Brian Classic is more like a Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) than an emulator. It runs a native PowerPC binary on the CPU, but isn't allowed to access hardware directly. That's why some of the older OS 8/9 apps that tried to take direct control of your hardware don't work in Classic but do when you boot a real OS 9 installation. Well behaved apps use only the Mac OS APIs to talk to hardware (like using QuickTime to access capture devices instead of doing it directly). Those are generally the apps that run well in Classic. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
The National Enquirer reports at 5:48 PM -0700 6/28/04, Brian L. Matthews wrote: And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. No, it's not. Virtual PC has to emulate the processor, Classic doesn't (for a PowerPC application, for a 68k application it does, but the same thing happens when booted into OS 9). It's a matter of semantics, but I'm glad someone corrected the misstatement. The Classic Environment is **not** an emulator. technical warning To quote Apple's Mac OS X documentation: To the Mac OS 9 operating system that it hosts, Classic appears as a new hardware platform. It implements hardware services using the Mac OS X kernel environment (particularly the I/O Kit). The Classic environment is not an emulator; Mac OS 9 runs natively in it. An emulator converts hardware calls from one language/platform to another. For example, Windows doesn't run on Mac hardware, so Virtual PC emulates PC hardware so that Windows can run on the Mac. The Classic Environment is actually a hardware abstraction layer. OS 9 runs on Mac hardware, and was in fact written for Mac hardware. But since you can't boot into two operating systems at the same time, one of the two OSes has to be in control of the hardware. Classic approximates the underlying hardware of your computer, and then OS 9 loads on top of that hardware abstraction layer. Any hardware access needed by OS 9 running in Classic is then funneled through OS X. (This allows OS X to manage all hardware access.) For example, when a Classic application accesses the Ethernet port on your Mac, what's really happening is that the Classic application is accessing the Ethernet port of Classic, which is then tunneled through Mac OS X to the actual Ethernet port. So remember, that Classic uses the OS X AppleTalk. You should have AppleTalk turned on in both Systems.(??) The key point here is hardware vs. software. To put it (overly) simply, emulation is used to make something run where it can't, whereas hardware abstraction is used to allow two compatible things to run cooperatively. Although Virtual PC and the Classic Environment appear to operate similarly from the user's point of view, how they do what they do is much different. end of technical description If your computer can boot into OS 9: Both as a Classic system environment and as a native OS 9 boot system, there is no difference between a Classic System Folder and a native System Folder; they are one and the same. You can copy it to your heart's content, and if you put it on an OS X system and try to boot Classic, and it needs some special files to do so, the OS X system will put what it needs into the System Folder before booting it; doing so does **nothing** that affects booting it into native OS 9. However, not all of OS 9 runs when it is being used as Classic. Some of OS 9's functions are subsumed by OS X. See: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/ index.html Go to: Installation and Integration -- The Classic Environment Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 09:46 PM, Andrew Kershaw wrote: Classic is more like a Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) than an emulator. It runs a native PowerPC binary on the CPU, but isn't allowed to access hardware directly. That's why some of the older OS 8/9 apps that tried to take direct control of your hardware don't work in Classic but do when you boot a real OS 9 installation. Well behaved apps use only the Mac OS APIs to talk to hardware (like using QuickTime to access capture devices instead of doing it directly). Those are generally the apps that run well in Classic. Drew: Is this why back in 2000/2001, I was advised to have OS 9 installed in addition to OS X? (I was a complete newbie to home computing and I chose the Mac platform, but was a little taken aback by having to adapt to two operating sysytems. I quickly left OS 9 behind, having no legacy software.) I remember that OS X 10.0 was sold in a box with the OS 9 CD. Was the API issue being taken into consideration? So, all I have that is incompatible with OS X is a collection of those Apple advertising demos that were played in Apple Stores on a loop. The installer requires OS 9. I'll try a custom install without OS 9 and see if I can get them to run. Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
At 3:06 PM -0500 6/28/04, macnifico wrote: I bought a Pismo with OS X.3, but no OS 9. Can I install it now? Problems? Tips? Best regards. Shouldn't be a problem as long as the OS 9 hard disk drivers were installed during format. If not, it may still be possible to install it but only for use in Classic, not booting. Otherwise you would need to reformat the disk. If you only plan on using it for Classic or minimal use booted in 9 then do a custom install and de-select the things you don't need. -- -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
At 5:00 PM -0700 6/28/04, Aaron Willems wrote: NO, when you install classic, you install a full version of OS 9. So as long as you have your software restore CD's, your good to go. And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. Classic is not an emulator. It is run as a program under OS X. An emulator like Virtual PC emulates the Pentium processor and runs DOS/Windows on that. Classic runs as a program within OS X but it still uses the PPC processor to run programs. Under OS 7 through 9 with the introduction of the PPC processor older 68K code WAS emulated. -- -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
