Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Mikael Byström]

Peter, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>So I am; there are 3 for sale 
>on ebay at this time, and one of 'em will be comin' home with me. 

I have one working, probably cheaper than ebay. Give me an offer incl.
shipping.


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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Peter Chastain]

Regarding printing:  Whatever app I'm trying to print from crashes 
before I get the print menu.  This is via a USB card in the upper slot. 
 Worked fine under 10.2, works fine under 9.x.

Lower slot will recognize the Apple DVD-Video card, and that's all.  
9.x or 10.x, doesn't matter.  I've tried a FireWire, USB and mini HDD, 
all to no avail, in the lower.  Someone on this list suggested that 
perhaps a pin the the DVD card doesn't use is 'broken', and that I 
might want to replace the pcmcia cage.  So I am; there are 3 for sale 
on ebay at this time, and one of 'em will be comin' home with me.  I 
want a set-up such as you have; USB and FW.  'Cause this 'book seems to 
have more life than the Energizer bunny.  I keep lookin' for an excuse 
to get a new laptop, but just can't seem to justify it, dagnabit :-)

On Jun 6, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Christopher Kolp wrote:
Thank you for your reply.
A few other questions if you don't mind -
Printing is broken? Does this mean via a usb printer or trying to use 
the serial ports? (serial ports don't work in x, or so I've been told)

And does the lower slot work at all? It seems a shame to have two 
slots and not have them both work. I use one with Firewire and one 
with USB while using it.

-Chris


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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Christopher Kolp]

Thank you for your reply.
A few other questions if you don't mind -
Printing is broken? Does this mean via a usb printer or trying to use 
the serial ports? (serial ports don't work in x, or so I've been told)

And does the lower slot work at all? It seems a shame to have two slots 
and not have them both work. I use one with Firewire and one with USB 
while using it.

-Chris
On Jun 6, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Peter Chastain wrote:
I use both FW and USB 2 cards with my XPostFacto'd Wallstreet 300 w/ 
10.3.4.  Both work great, provided I put them in the upper slot.
However, printing is broken, and VPC won't boot Win98; it has to be a 
saved image.

On Jun 6, 2004, at 4:23 AM, Mikael Byström wrote:
Christopher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Did you try to use either USB or FireWire PCMCIA cards with the
Wallstreet II while running XPostFacto?
Do either work?
I didn't, but I don't see why one type of card should work (airport) 
and
not another. The buyer of my book plans to add USB via PCMCIA, so I'll
try and follow that.

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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Peter Chastain]

I use both FW and USB 2 cards with my XPostFacto'd Wallstreet 300 w/ 
10.3.4.  Both work great, provided I put them in the upper slot.
However, printing is broken, and VPC won't boot Win98; it has to be a 
saved image.

On Jun 6, 2004, at 4:23 AM, Mikael Byström wrote:
Christopher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Did you try to use either USB or FireWire PCMCIA cards with the
Wallstreet II while running XPostFacto?
Do either work?
I didn't, but I don't see why one type of card should work (airport) 
and
not another. The buyer of my book plans to add USB via PCMCIA, so I'll
try and follow that.

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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Mikael Byström]

Christopher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>Did you try to use either USB or FireWire PCMCIA cards with the 
>Wallstreet II while running XPostFacto?
>Do either work?
I didn't, but I don't see why one type of card should work (airport) and
not another. The buyer of my book plans to add USB via PCMCIA, so I'll
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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Christopher Kolp]

Did you try to use either USB or FireWire PCMCIA cards with the 
Wallstreet II while running XPostFacto?
Do either work?

-Chris
On May 27, 2004, at 4:14 AM, Mikael Byström wrote:
Another aspect,
IMHO, Mac OS X 10.3.x with XPostFacto3 ( I use the a14 version) works
much better on at least the Wallstreet II (PDQ) than do Jaguar. The 
only
thing that doesn't work for me is sound going in, which probably can be
solved with a new PCMCIA soundcard with a specific sound driver for 
that
hardware, but I haven't really tried that.
I run a PCMCIA airport card (Open source driver) trough the PCMCIA, so 
I
have none of the mentioned XPF FAQ problems regarding this port. Same
goes for sleep, which is working perfectly.

So, while Panther may set you off another $60 or so second hand, IMO it
is worth that.
I'm seem to be leaving the WS II finally after 2 years, going to a
PowerBook G4 instead. Which is good as I suppose Tiger will be 
difficult
to support on the WS. But so did Panther look from the outset.


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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Mikael Byström]

Another aspect, 

IMHO, Mac OS X 10.3.x with XPostFacto3 ( I use the a14 version) works
much better on at least the Wallstreet II (PDQ) than do Jaguar. The only
thing that doesn't work for me is sound going in, which probably can be
solved with a new PCMCIA soundcard with a specific sound driver for that
hardware, but I haven't really tried that.
I run a PCMCIA airport card (Open source driver) trough the PCMCIA, so I
have none of the mentioned XPF FAQ problems regarding this port. Same
goes for sleep, which is working perfectly.

So, while Panther may set you off another $60 or so second hand, IMO it
is worth that.

I'm seem to be leaving the WS II finally after 2 years, going to a
PowerBook G4 instead. Which is good as I suppose Tiger will be difficult
to support on the WS. But so did Panther look from the outset. 




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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[macnifico]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IMHO, Mac OS X 10.3.x with XPostFacto3 ( I use the a14 version) works
much better on at least the Wallstreet II (PDQ) than do Jaguar.
I used X.1.5 on a WallStreet 266MHz/192Mb/4Gb, but it was too slow.
Then everybody was saying that X.2 was great on the WallStreet, so I 
bought it for my son's iMac DV (400MHz/512Mb/30Gb). Unfortunately, 
the internal DVD drive died, and the install has to be done from the 
internal drive, it doesn't accept it from an external FireWire CD 
burner.
So I tought, "Well, at least I can use it on a WS", but now you are 
telling me that X.3 is even better on the WS... How much better? How 
much faster?


The only thing that doesn't work for me is sound going in,
Doesn't matter too much to me...

So, while Panther may set you off another $60 or so second hand, IMO it
is worth that.
Mmmmh... another $60 to $75, at least...  My computer budget is a 
little bit thin, so it will have to wait, while I'll learn this, for 
me, new system. I can do everything I want on 9.1, but support is 
dying, and new software is almost always X-only.
Best regards.
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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Mikael Byström]

Another aspect, 

IMHO, Mac OS X 10.3.x with XPostFacto3 ( I use the a14 version) works
much better on at least the Wallstreet II (PDQ) than do Jaguar. The only
thing that doesn't work for me is sound going in, which probably can be
solved with a new PCMCIA soundcard with a specific sound driver for that
hardware, but I haven't really tried that.
I run a PCMCIA airport card (Open source driver) trough the PCMCIA, so I
have none of the mentioned XPF FAQ problems regarding this port. Same
goes for sleep, which is working perfectly.

So, while Panther may set you off another $60 or so second hand, IMO it
is worth that.

I'm seem to be leaving the WS II finally after 2 years, going to a
PowerBook G4 instead. Which is good as I suppose Tiger will be difficult
to support on the WS. But so did Panther look from the outset. 




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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[George Mogiljansky]

Hi JR, 
Your only (?) possible solution is Carbon Copy Cloner.
George

--- John A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On May 26, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Bob wrote:
> >
> >
> > So let me add:
> > You need the OS 9 drivers for OS 9 to see the
> partitions. Once you
> > have formatted the disk under OS-X's Disk Utility,
> it will no longer
> > be recognized by older Disk Setups or by the OS-9
> Installer on the
> > OS-9 System CD without those drivers.
> >
> > I often look at my Jaguar partition from a pre-OS
> X source. So I
> > would recommend installing the OS 9 drivers on all
> partitions. It
> > certainly won't hurt.
> 
> I made the mistake of not doing this when I
> installed Panther on my 
> iBook. Now I can't install OS 9. I'd like to find
> some way around this, 
> but I doubt that's gonna happen, and I'm not about
> to format my disc 
> and start over again. It took way too long to do all
> the upgrades and 
> install everything and get it all back like I
> wanted.
> 
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Re: Partition with 10.2?

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On May 26, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Bob wrote:

So let me add:
You need the OS 9 drivers for OS 9 to see the partitions. Once you
have formatted the disk under OS-X's Disk Utility, it will no longer
be recognized by older Disk Setups or by the OS-9 Installer on the
OS-9 System CD without those drivers.
I often look at my Jaguar partition from a pre-OS X source. So I
would recommend installing the OS 9 drivers on all partitions. It
certainly won't hurt.
I made the mistake of not doing this when I installed Panther on my 
iBook. Now I can't install OS 9. I'd like to find some way around this, 
but I doubt that's gonna happen, and I'm not about to format my disc 
and start over again. It took way too long to do all the upgrades and 
install everything and get it all back like I wanted.

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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 3:50 PM -0400 5/26/04, Laurent 
Daudelin wrote:

>On 26/05/04 15:21, "George Mogiljansky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Let me jump in here:
> > do you want or need OS 9 drivers on both partitions?
> > George
> >
> > --- Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> The National Enquirer reports at 12:21 PM -0400
> >> 5/26/04, Laurent
> >> Daudelin wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 26/05/04 12:20, "macnifico"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> > If you do decide to install OS 9 on the second
> >> partition, **be sure**
> > to tell Disk Utility to install OS 9 drivers
> >> when you format and
> > partition your drive.
> >>
>
>Only if you're expecting OS 9 apps to access the OS X partition.

I don't mean to post so many messages to the list today. But the ABS 
threads are critical to something that I'm trying to do. And I have 
been a major conspirator in this particular thread.

So let me add:
You need the OS 9 drivers for OS 9 to see the partitions. Once you 
have formatted the disk under OS-X's Disk Utility, it will no longer 
be recognized by older Disk Setups or by the OS-9 Installer on the 
OS-9 System CD without those drivers.

I often look at my Jaguar partition from a pre-OS X source. So I 
would recommend installing the OS 9 drivers on all partitions. It 
certainly won't hurt.

Bob


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Re: Partition with 10.2?

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On 26/05/04 15:21, "George Mogiljansky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Let me jump in here:
> do you want or need OS 9 drivers on both partitions?
> George
> 
> --- Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The National Enquirer reports at 12:21 PM -0400
>> 5/26/04, Laurent
>> Daudelin wrote:
>> 
>>> On 26/05/04 12:20, "macnifico"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
> If you do decide to install OS 9 on the second
>> partition, **be sure**
> to tell Disk Utility to install OS 9 drivers
>> when you format and
> partition your drive.
>> 

Only if you're expecting OS 9 apps to access the OS X partition.

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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[George Mogiljansky]

Let me jump in here:
do you want or need OS 9 drivers on both partitions?
George

--- Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The National Enquirer reports at 12:21 PM -0400
> 5/26/04, Laurent 
> Daudelin wrote:
> 
> >On 26/05/04 12:20, "macnifico"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >> If you do decide to install OS 9 on the second
> partition, **be sure**
> > >> to tell Disk Utility to install OS 9 drivers
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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 12:21 PM -0400 5/26/04, Laurent 
Daudelin wrote:

>On 26/05/04 12:20, "macnifico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> If you do decide to install OS 9 on the second partition, **be sure**
> >> to tell Disk Utility to install OS 9 drivers when you format and
> >> partition your drive.
> >
> >
> > So, bear with me:
> > Should I first partition the HD with OS 9 Disk Utility, and then
> > Install OS X.2 on the first partition?
> > Then OS 9.2.1 on the second, bootable partition?
> > Just to clarify...
>
>I would do the partition from Disk Utility that you can launch from the OS X
>installer. Then, proceed to install OS X. Reboot with OS 9 CD and install OS
>9...
>
>-Laurent.

I'm beginning to sound like an echo.  Laurent's advice would have 
been mine as well.

The OS 9 driver option is somewhere near the beginning of the format 
process. Keep your eyes open for it (no need to be in a big rush). 
You don't want to miss that and proceed with the installation. You'll 
have to start over if you miss it.

BTW I also recommend, after you install 9.2.1, updating it to 9.2.2. 
It's a free update, although quite large. And make sure you have all 
of the OS X security updates as well. I'll let some others fill you 
in on those details.

When I put OS X on my Wallstreet, I used the 10.2 installer disks. 
Then I had burned all of the other OS and security updaters on 
another CD and proceeded to bring everything up to snuff very easily 
and quickly. OS 10.2.4 was the current version at that time, so 
that's as high as I went.

Oh, I don't mean to sound insulting, but you will lose everything 
that's currently on the H.D. when you format and partition. So if 
there's anything you want to keep, back up the new drive beforehand.

HTH,

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Re: Partition with 10.2?

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On 26/05/04 12:20, "macnifico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> If you do decide to install OS 9 on the second partition, **be sure**
>> to tell Disk Utility to install OS 9 drivers when you format and
>> partition your drive.
> 
> 
> So, bear with me:
> Should I first partition the HD with OS 9 Disk Utility, and then
> Install OS X.2 on the first partition?
> Then OS 9.2.1 on the second, bootable partition?
> Just to clarify...

I would do the partition from Disk Utility that you can launch from the OS X
installer. Then, proceed to install OS X. Reboot with OS 9 CD and install OS
9...

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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[macnifico]

If you do decide to install OS 9 on the second partition, **be sure**
to tell Disk Utility to install OS 9 drivers when you format and
partition your drive.

So, bear with me:
Should I first partition the HD with OS 9 Disk Utility, and then 
Install OS X.2 on the first partition?
Then OS 9.2.1 on the second, bootable partition?
Just to clarify...
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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[James Rohde]

On 5/24/04, Clark Martin wrote:

>
>At 3:39 PM -0500 5/24/04, macnifico wrote:
>>Hello, fellow listers!
>>
>>I'm waiting for a WS 300 MHz with a 12 Mb HD.
>>Do I have to partition the HD into a 8 Mb and a 4 Mb partition if I 
>>want to install OS X.2 & OS 9.2.1?
>
>Well, hopefully you'll get a 12Gb disk instead of a 12Mb disk :)
>
>Yes, the first partition will have to be 8Gb or less.  It makes the 
>most sense to be 8Gb.  12Gb will work for OS X and 9 but you might 
>want to consider getting something larger so you have plenty of room 
>to grow in.

As was pointed out by Bob, you actually want to set the first partition 
slightly smaller than 8 GB (like 7.83GB or something a bit smaller than 
an actual 8GB). But I'm with Clark that if you can afford a bigger drive, 
go for it!

On 5/24/04, Bob wrote:
>
>I don't how other list members will feel about it. But I would 
>suggest installing OS 9.2.2 on the second partition (see below 
>regarding the first partition). That way you will be able to boot you 
>PB from different partitions, which can be handy in a number of 
>situations (i.e. you can't repair a boot partition).
>
>If you do decide to install OS 9 on the second partition, **be sure** 
>to tell Disk Utility to install OS 9 drivers when you format and 
>partition your drive.

And I'd second Bob's suggestion - I have my second partition set for OS 9 
(with OS 9 drivers on it), for the reasons he gave. Amazing how quickly 
these drives start filling up...

Jim Rohde


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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 3:30 PM -0700 5/24/04, Clark Martin wrote:

>At 3:39 PM -0500 5/24/04, macnifico wrote:
> >Hello, fellow listers!
> >
> >I'm waiting for a WS 300 MHz with a 12 Mb HD.
> >Do I have to partition the HD into a 8 Mb and a 4 Mb partition if I
> >want to install OS X.2 & OS 9.2.1?
>
>Well, hopefully you'll get a 12Gb disk instead of a 12Mb disk :)
>
>Yes, the first partition will have to be 8Gb or less.

Clark is absolutely right. An exception would be if the H.D. is 8GB 
or smaller, Then no partition is necessary. But that won't apply to 
you.

I don't how other list members will feel about it. But I would 
suggest installing OS 9.2.2 on the second partition (see below 
regarding the first partition). That way you will be able to boot you 
PB from different partitions, which can be handy in a number of 
situations (i.e. you can't repair a boot partition).

If you do decide to install OS 9 on the second partition, **be sure** 
to tell Disk Utility to install OS 9 drivers when you format and 
partition your drive.

>It makes the most sense to be 8Gb.

I'm not sure what was being recommended here, but I strongly suggest 
that you make your first partition slightly smaller than 8GB (7.9 for 
instance). I've seen instances where WS II owners have had 
installation problems with some versions of OS X when they tried to 
install it on a full 8GB partition.

And just for clarity sake, OS X has to be installed on the **first** 
8GB (or less) of your Wallstreet's H.D.

>12Gb will work for OS X and 9 but you might want to consider getting 
>something larger so you have plenty of room to grow in.

I agree with Clark here too. As they say, you can never have too much 
RAM or too much hard disk space. I would strongly recommend at least 
20GB. "Inexpensive" is a relative term, but a new, high-quality 20GB 
drive should be well under $100 these days.

Then pick up an inexpensive PCMCIA drive case and put your 12GB drive 
in it and use it for backups.

HTH,

Bob


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Re: Partition with 10.2?

[Clark Martin]

At 3:39 PM -0500 5/24/04, macnifico wrote:
Hello, fellow listers!
I'm waiting for a WS 300 MHz with a 12 Mb HD.
Do I have to partition the HD into a 8 Mb and a 4 Mb partition if I 
want to install OS X.2 & OS 9.2.1?
Well, hopefully you'll get a 12Gb disk instead of a 12Mb disk :)
Yes, the first partition will have to be 8Gb or less.  It makes the 
most sense to be 8Gb.  12Gb will work for OS X and 9 but you might 
want to consider getting something larger so you have plenty of room 
to grow in.
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