Re: Question about a Powerbook G3

[Dan K]

Malcolm Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks:
>What's the difference between old and new world?

quoting from page 76 in Apple's Lombard devnote:


[quote]
The PowerBook G3 Series 1999 computer is different from previous PowerBook
computers in that it has no single, large ROM that contains many 
components
of the Mac OS software, along with the 68K emulator, hardware 
initialization,
and the nanokernel. Instead, a small ROM provides hardware initialization
functions and provides a mechanism to load the Mac OS ROM image into
RAM. The new software architecture that is centered around ROM-in-RAM and
its ramifications is called the NewWorld architecture.
[/quote]

There's more details in the devnote of course than I quote here. The 
first gen new world machines included Lombard, the clamshell iBook, the 
original iMac and the Blue & White PowerMac.

All PCI Macs have openfirmware, worlds old and new.

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Re: Question about a Powerbook G3

[PeterH5322]

> What's the difference between old and new world?

Old World has the ROM toolbox in true ROM, and it resides there.

New World has the ROM toolbox in RAM, and that toolbox is actually loaded 
from disk and copied into RAM, where it resides.

Old World has an 8 GB (or first 8 GB) limitation on the size of the boot 
partition for X. New World has no limitation.

Examples ...

Wallstreet w/40 GB drive, must be partitioned into 8 GB and 32 GB 
partitions, and the OS loaded into the 8 GB partition.

Lombard w/60 GB drive, no partitioning required, entire (and only) 60 GB 
used as boot partition.

For Old World Macs, set the first partition to 7999 MB, and partition the 
remainder from there.

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Re: Question about a Powerbook G3 PRAM battery

[Robert Gruber]

--- Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

[Re: a Wallstreet]

>8snip8<---
> PRAM is maintained by a battery, when those go dead,
> the systems can  
> act quite unpredictably.
> 
>  shows the
> procedure for  
> replacing it.
> 
> They also sell it, it's $40.
> 
> --
> Bruce Johnson


How important is having this battery in here if it's
mostly plugged into AC and the main battery is so-so?

I'd rather not replace it if it won't cause any
problems!

Thanks in advance

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Re: Question about a Powerbook G3

[Malcolm Cornelius]

>> What's the difference between old and new world?
> 
> New world had the first USB.
> 
> However the lombard still has an external SCSI port and no firewire.
> pismo was the first with firewire.

I know the specs, I was merely asking what the dividing line was as the
Wallstreet was PCI and had open firmware

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Re: Question about a Powerbook G3

[Alan Miller]

On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 07:27  AM, Malcolm Cornelius wrote:


Bronze keyboard models (1999, AKA, Lombard) were the first "New World"
PBs.


What's the difference between old and new world?


New world had the first USB.

However the lombard still has an external SCSI port and no firewire.
pismo was the first with firewire.

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Re: Question about a Powerbook G3

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> Bronze keyboard models (1999, AKA, Lombard) were the first "New World"
> PBs.
> 
> General description and nomenclature ...
> 
> 1997 ... G3 Series ... 3400 case ... "Kanga" ... "Old World" ...
> CardBus/2, with a third-party modification
> 
> 1998 ... G3 Series ... new case ... "Wallstreet I" ... "Old World" ...
> CardBus/2 ... 10.3.9 ... 233 no cache, 250, 292 MHz ... White logo
> 
> 1998 ... G3 Series ... new case ... "Wallstreet II" ... "Old World" ...
> CardBus/2 + video improvements ... 10.3.9 ... 233 w/cache, 266, 300 MHz
> ... White logo
> 
> 1999 ... G3 Series ... new case ... "Lombard" ... "New World" ...
> CardBus/1 ... USB + Bronze keyboard ... 10.4 ... Illuminated white logo
> 
> 2000 ... G3 ... new case ... "Pismo" ... "New World" ... CardBus/1 ...
> USB + Firewire ... 10.4

What's the difference between old and new world?

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Re: Question about a Powerbook G3

[PeterH5322]

>I was given a Powerbook G3 which 
>is running Mac OS 8.1. It has a 2Gb hard drive and 160Mb RAM. It is all 
>Black (black keyboard) and the apple logo on the top is white.

Bronze keyboard models (1999, AKA, Lombard) were the first "New World" 
PBs.

General description and nomenclature ...

1997 ... G3 Series ... 3400 case ... "Kanga" ... "Old World" ... 
CardBus/2, with a third-party modification

1998 ... G3 Series ... new case ... "Wallstreet I" ... "Old World" ... 
CardBus/2 ... 10.3.9 ... 233 no cache, 250, 292 MHz ... White logo

1998 ... G3 Series ... new case ... "Wallstreet II" ... "Old World" ... 
CardBus/2 + video improvements ... 10.3.9 ... 233 w/cache, 266, 300 MHz 
... White logo

1999 ... G3 Series ... new case ... "Lombard" ... "New World" ... 
CardBus/1 ... USB + Bronze keyboard ... 10.4 ... Illuminated white logo

2000 ... G3 ... new case ... "Pismo" ... "New World" ... CardBus/1 ... 
USB + Firewire ... 10.4

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Re: Question about a Powerbook G3

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 5, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Alan Harding wrote:

Ok first admission I am a Mac Newbie. I was given a Powerbook G3  
which is running Mac OS 8.1. It has a 2Gb hard drive and 160Mb RAM.  
It is all Black (black keyboard) and the apple logo on the top is  
white. Underneath it says Powerbook G3 Series


That is a Wallstreet or Wallstreet II:

 or www.lowendmac.com/pb2/g3series2.shtml>


This should be sufficient info to get you going with Ubuntu.

PRAM is an acronym for Parameter Ram, where a fairly large variety of  
stuff about the computer is stored for use at boot time.


PRAM is maintained by a battery, when those go dead, the systems can  
act quite unpredictably.


 shows the procedure for  
replacing it.


They also sell it, it's $40.

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