Re: Wallstreet max HO size?
I've never seen an issue with any drive in any of these machines - what problems have you seen ? Specifically, failure of the drives to properly negotiate down to the lower AT specification expected, and required by the Lombard and the Pismo. Again, which means what ? It runs slow ? It doesn't work ? I've changed tens of drives and not seen any problems - is there a symptom of this problem, does it affect just one or two makes of drives ? This has been confirmed, and ... except for the most recent Hitachi/IBM drives, and the Samsung drives, neither of which OWC sell ... specifically documented in OWC's 2.5 ATA drives for PowerBook site. Cheers, I'll check that out. -- Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet max HO size?
Specifically, failure of the drives to properly negotiate down to the lower AT specification expected, and required by the Lombard and the Pismo. Again, which means what ? It runs slow ? It doesn't work ? The machine will lock up, and fail to get past the flashing icon. Initializing the drive in another machine (BW, for example) and then putting that drive in an affected PowerBook won't work as the affected PowerBook will not auto-negotiate and, therefore, cannot read the boot code off of the drive and into the FLASH ROM on the motherboard. This affects certain new world PowerBooks (Lombard, Pismo, and possibly others), which read the boot code off of the drive and into a FLASH ROM before proceeding to do the actual Mac OS boot. The last old world PowerBook (Wallstreet) appears to be OK. I presume the first G3 (Kanga) is OK, too. Strangely, the first new world desktop (BW) is OK, but the first few new world PowerBooks (Lombard and Pismo) are not OK. I've changed tens of drives and not seen any problems - is there a symptom of this problem, does it affect just one or two makes of drives ? Both makes of drives and model within make. OW has documented those which they sell which won't work with Lombard and Pismo machines. I've documented those which are not sold by OW, but which I have specifically tested for compatibility with Lombard and Pismo machines. In general, stay away from all Samsungs, and also from the latest Hitachi/IBM and Toshiba drives for these machines. If the drives are 10 GB or smaller, they're usually old enough so that this problem won't appear. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet max HO size?
Again, which means what ? It runs slow ? It doesn't work ? The machine will lock up, and fail to get past the flashing icon. Initializing the drive in another machine (BW, for example) and then putting that drive in an affected PowerBook won't work as the affected PowerBook will not auto-negotiate and, therefore, cannot read the boot code off of the drive and into the FLASH ROM on the motherboard. This affects certain new world PowerBooks (Lombard, Pismo, and possibly others), which read the boot code off of the drive and into a FLASH ROM before proceeding to do the actual Mac OS boot. The last old world PowerBook (Wallstreet) appears to be OK. I presume the first G3 (Kanga) is OK, too. Strangely, the first new world desktop (BW) is OK, but the first few new world PowerBooks (Lombard and Pismo) are not OK. Interesting, I'm astonished that in about 50 HD upgrades to Lombards, Pismos and later with drives 20GB and larger that I've never seen this issue. Both makes of drives and model within make. OW has documented those which they sell which won't work with Lombard and Pismo machines. I've documented those which are not sold by OW, but which I have specifically tested for compatibility with Lombard and Pismo machines. I wasn't able to find anything on OWC, can you provide links to these lists for us all to benefit ? In general, stay away from all Samsungs, and also from the latest Hitachi/IBM and Toshiba drives for these machines. Not yet used a Samsung, usually WD, Fujitsu and Toshiba. Thanks for the useful information. -- Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet max HO size?
I've documented those which are not sold by OW, but which I have specifically tested for compatibility with Lombard and Pismo machines. I wasn't able to find anything on OWC, can you provide links to these lists for us all to benefit ? Here's the exact text contained in the OWC warning ... OWC Notice to Apple PowerBook G3 Owners: This drive model is not compatible with your computer. It does not have the backwards compatibility required by the ATA/IDE controller of any Powerbook G3 Series laptop. Toshiba models that are compatible include: MK2023GAS 20GB 4200RPM, MK4019GAX 40GB 5400RPM, MK6021GAS 60GB 4200RPM, and MK6022GAX 5400RPM. Further, all currently listed Hitachi/IBM and Fujitsu models are also compatible. This is found on their web page ... http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm?ID=6858Item=TOSMK8026GAX Note that OWC does not sell Samsungs, and so far it has not been selling the very latest Hitachi/IBMs, so its warning, above, couldn't (and doesn't) include the warning I have previously stated, based upon my actual testing of the affected PB models, and Hitachi/IBM and Samsung drives. Again, if 10 GB or under, and if older 20 GB, you should be OK. But for newer 20 GB, and for larger than 20 GB, be sure to get a return privilege, or a guarantee that the drive will work with your Lombard or Pismo or other newer PB. For that matter, be sure to get the same, if you have a Wallstreet. In general, I believe the real problem is an incompatibility with early new world PBs and certain newer HDs, not older HDs or old world PBs. OWC has stated the problem from the perspective of the specific drives which it currently sells, not from the general case of all drives which are made, and which might possibly be installed in an affected model PB. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet max HO size?
Here's the exact text contained in the OWC warning ... This is found on their web page ... http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm?ID=6858Item=TOSMK8026GAX Ah, ok, I didn't drill down on individual drives, I was looking for an overview that listed which didn't work. Thanks, I'll look to avoid newer models with large caches. Malcolm -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
