Re: Wallstreet won't wake up

[Roger Shufflebottom]

At 14:41 -0700 26/07/01, Administrator wrote:
>ot have issues. - I have 1 Gbyte in my Pismo for example.
>
>But if you have bad RAM it doesn't matter whether it's from Infinite 
>Loop or from Joe's Deluxe Mac Shoppe.
>
>Best thing to do is to remove the recently added ram and see if you 
>can duplicate the symptoms. If you can't then it's more than like 
>the RAM stick and you should return it for replacement.
>

I think the RAM chips are OK. At different times I had the 64MB and 
the 128MB in the top slot with Apple's original 32MB in the bottom 
with no problems. I then pulled this and put the 64MB in the bottom. 
Perhaps I'll reseat things.

Roger S
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Re: Wallstreet won't wake up

[Larry D. Sharp]

The memory that would not work after the firmware upgrade had wider
tolerances than the Apple specs. Worked fine until the new firmware was
installed, then some of the memory that had not been tested to the Apple
tolerances would not work. The memory manufacturers were trying to cut a
corner and got nabbed, or at least their customers did.

Larry


Replying to makmac ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), 07/26/2001 5:56 PM:

> P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo on 7/26/01 3:55 PM wrote:
> 
>>> Don't have a clue as to whether this will help, but a friend of mine had a
>>> similar problem and turned out that he had used third party RAM rather than
>>> something direct from Apple. Apparently the powerbooks don't like third
>>> party RAM at all...Anyway, he discovered this by sending his PB to Apple (at
>>> a cost of $500) just to have them remove the RAM and tell him to do it
>>> again.
>>> 
>>> Good luck, Kim
>> 
>> 
>> Since most of us have third party RAM in ALL our machines - you are
>> barking up the wrong tree here. I am not saying there may not be a
>> problem with the writer's RAM, but the fact that it may be third party is
>> not important.
>> 
> I have to agree with Turtle-Bear. I have two sticks of 3rd party memory in
> my Wallstreet and it works perfectly. One is generic and one is Kingston.
> Even Apple doesn't make there own RAM. They contract it out to be
> manufactured to their specs. I'm sure that a majority of the RAM
> manufacturers follow Apple's guidelines otherwise their would be no profit
> in creating something that was destined to fail.
> 
> Perhaps your friends problem was related to the firmware upgrade not too
> long ago that caused a number of PowerBooks G3s to not recognize certain 3rd
> party RAM even though it would have functioned perfectly otherwise. Don't
> recall the details though.
> 
> -makmac
> 


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Re: Wallstreet won't wake up

[makmac]

P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo on 7/26/01 3:55 PM wrote:

>> Don't have a clue as to whether this will help, but a friend of mine had a
>> similar problem and turned out that he had used third party RAM rather than
>> something direct from Apple. Apparently the powerbooks don't like third
>> party RAM at all...Anyway, he discovered this by sending his PB to Apple (at
>> a cost of $500) just to have them remove the RAM and tell him to do it
>> again.
>> 
>> Good luck, Kim
> 
> 
> Since most of us have third party RAM in ALL our machines - you are
> barking up the wrong tree here. I am not saying there may not be a
> problem with the writer's RAM, but the fact that it may be third party is
> not important.
> 
I have to agree with Turtle-Bear. I have two sticks of 3rd party memory in
my Wallstreet and it works perfectly. One is generic and one is Kingston.
Even Apple doesn't make there own RAM. They contract it out to be
manufactured to their specs. I'm sure that a majority of the RAM
manufacturers follow Apple's guidelines otherwise their would be no profit
in creating something that was destined to fail.

Perhaps your friends problem was related to the firmware upgrade not too
long ago that caused a number of PowerBooks G3s to not recognize certain 3rd
party RAM even though it would have functioned perfectly otherwise. Don't
recall the details though.

-makmac


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Re: Wallstreet won't wake up

[makmac]

Kimberley Hecht on 7/26/01 2:22 PM wrote:

> Apparently the powerbooks don't like third
> party RAM at all...Anyway, he discovered this by sending his PB to Apple (at
> a cost of $500) just to have them remove the RAM and tell him to do it
> again.
> 
Ouch! $500 to pull a stick of memory out of a machine and tell him it's not
compatible?!?!?!?!?!? Something doesn't sound right here. Even Apple's
repair prices couldn't be that inflated for a diagnostic like that.


-makmac


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Re: Wallstreet won't wake up

[Administrator]

>On 7/26/2001 1:22 PM Kimberley Hecht at
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>on 7/26/01 7:16 AM, Roger Shufflebottom at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>Don't have a clue as to whether this will help, but a friend of mine had a
>>similar problem and turned out that he had used third party RAM rather than
>>something direct from Apple. Apparently the powerbooks don't like third
>>party RAM at all...Anyway, he discovered this by sending his PB to Apple (at
>>a cost of $500) just to have them remove the RAM and tell him to do it
>>again.
>>
>>Good luck, Kim
>
>
>Since most of us have third party RAM in ALL our machines - you are 
>barking up the wrong tree here. I am not saying there may not be a 
>problem with the writer's RAM, but the fact that it may be third party is 
>not important.
>
>Turtle-Bear
>

Agreed - one can have 3rd party RAM and not have issues. - I have 1 Gbyte in my Pismo 
for example. 

But if you have bad RAM it doesn't matter whether it's from Infinite Loop or from 
Joe's Deluxe Mac Shoppe. 

Best thing to do is to remove the recently added ram and see if you can duplicate the 
symptoms. If you can't then it's more than like the RAM stick and you should return it 
for replacement.

GM



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Re: Wallstreet won't wake up

[P . Turtle-Bear Guillermo]

On 7/26/2001 1:22 PM Kimberley Hecht at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>on 7/26/01 7:16 AM, Roger Shufflebottom at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Don't have a clue as to whether this will help, but a friend of mine had a
>similar problem and turned out that he had used third party RAM rather than
>something direct from Apple. Apparently the powerbooks don't like third
>party RAM at all...Anyway, he discovered this by sending his PB to Apple (at
>a cost of $500) just to have them remove the RAM and tell him to do it
>again.
>
>Good luck, Kim


Since most of us have third party RAM in ALL our machines - you are 
barking up the wrong tree here. I am not saying there may not be a 
problem with the writer's RAM, but the fact that it may be third party is 
not important.

Turtle-Bear

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Re: Wallstreet won't wake up

[Kimberley Hecht]

on 7/26/01 7:16 AM, Roger Shufflebottom at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Don't have a clue as to whether this will help, but a friend of mine had a
similar problem and turned out that he had used third party RAM rather than
something direct from Apple. Apparently the powerbooks don't like third
party RAM at all...Anyway, he discovered this by sending his PB to Apple (at
a cost of $500) just to have them remove the RAM and tell him to do it
again.

Good luck, Kim
> 
> -- 
> I recently upped the RAM in my old 233 Wallstreet (12.1" screen). It
> now has 64MB in the bottom slot and 128MB in the top. It has started
> to fail to wake from sleep. Press a key, the disk spins for a second,
> the screen lights up but then it goes back to sleep. Try again, the
> same thing. Have to reboot. The only  common factor to these
> instances is that I have lots of applications running at the time. It
> doesn't seem as fussy if fewer apps are running (and presumably less
> RAM is in use).
> 
> Any ideas anyone?
> 
> Roger Shufflebottom


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