Re: Swapping out a DVI TiBook display

2004-03-15 Thread Luis Autrique
Scott,

How much did you pay for the display?

I have a Ti 500Mhz with a broken LCD display, and was wondering if it  
is worth to replace it.

Luis

On Mar 6, 2004, at 7:57 AM, Scott Howe wrote:

TiBook Swap out update:

The LCD that my client bought on ebay was defective. I will soon be  
sending
out the sellers info to hopefully prevent others from getting burned.  
I just
don¹t have it right now.

Other than that, the swap out was successful from a purely technical  
view. I
won't say it was easy. It was delicate and nerve wracking, but  
successful.
Copius amounts of Super Glue seemed to do that trick with the hinges  
too. It
was rock solid.

If anyone has to do this procedure in the future, contact me and I'll  
help
out if I can.

Scott



On 3/2/04 1:50 PM, Dan K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got the majority of it done, just waiting for
the epoxy to set. I'm a little nervous about the hinges. I'd love to  
get the
skinny right from Apple as to how they do it.
I've wondered what sort of adhesive Apple used in the TiBooks as I
currently have a pair of disassembled TiBooks and would like to shtick
'em back together again. Recently I stumbled across some relevant  
info in
one of Apple's patents, patent number 6,574,096 - Use of titanium in  
a
notebook computer.

It's got lots of details on the TiBook's design and construction,  
plus it
has interesting 'discussions' about Ti glue - go down about 2/3 of  
this
page (or just repeatedly search the page for 'glue'):
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser? 
Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFu=/netah
tml/search-adv.htmr=80f=Gl=50d=PTXTs1=apple.ASNM.p=2OS=AN/ 
appleRS=A
N/apple

From the above page:

Virtually any type of glue suitable for bonding injection molded
materials to titanium or titanium alloys may be used. An exemplary  
glue
suitable for use in various embodiments of the present invention is
Lord's glue 201/19 manufactured by the Lord Corporation of Cary, N.C.

Here's on Lord Corporation's web site is their Engineered Adhesives
page:
http://www.lord.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=520
I had a heck of a time finding just what sort of glue is '201/19', but
eventually found infos in this doc:
http://literature.lord.com/root/other/ 
Metal_Bonding_Selector_Guide.pdf

ACRYLIC ADHESIVES - LORD 201/19
Applications - Bare metals, plastics and composites
Working Time - 5-8 minutes
Handling Time - Fast, 12-16 minutes
Full Strength - 2 hours, heat cure typically not recommended
Easy to dispense, Self-leveling
Comments - Minimal surface preparation, fast cure, good environmental
resistance.
Now I just need to follow up and find a source from whom I can  
actually
purchase some of this stuff . . .

Scott, can you tell us what sort of epoxy you used? And how it seemed  
to
work? I was concerned that many epoxies are brittle, and so maybe not
good for a device that gets so much handling. Not that I know much  
about
epoxies, or the above mentioned ACRYLIC ADHESIVE either . . .

hth,

Dan K

PS: for a search that calls up all of Apple's patents, an interesting
adventure in its own right:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser? 
Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFu=%2Fnet
ahtml%2Fsearch- 
adv.htmr=0f=Sl=50d=PTXTRS=AN%2FappleQuery=AN%2FappleP
revList1=Prev.+50+HitsTD=1757Srch1=apple.ASNM.

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Re: Swapping out a DVI TiBook display

2004-03-06 Thread Scott Howe
TiBook Swap out update:

The LCD that my client bought on ebay was defective. I will soon be sending
out the sellers info to hopefully prevent others from getting burned. I just
don¹t have it right now.

Other than that, the swap out was successful from a purely technical view. I
won't say it was easy. It was delicate and nerve wracking, but successful.
Copius amounts of Super Glue seemed to do that trick with the hinges too. It
was rock solid.

If anyone has to do this procedure in the future, contact me and I'll help
out if I can.

Scott



On 3/2/04 1:50 PM, Dan K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've got the majority of it done, just waiting for
 the epoxy to set. I'm a little nervous about the hinges. I'd love to get the
 skinny right from Apple as to how they do it.
 
 I've wondered what sort of adhesive Apple used in the TiBooks as I
 currently have a pair of disassembled TiBooks and would like to shtick
 'em back together again. Recently I stumbled across some relevant info in
 one of Apple's patents, patent number 6,574,096 - Use of titanium in a
 notebook computer.
 
 It's got lots of details on the TiBook's design and construction, plus it
 has interesting 'discussions' about Ti glue - go down about 2/3 of this
 page (or just repeatedly search the page for 'glue'):
 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFu=/netah
 tml/search-adv.htmr=80f=Gl=50d=PTXTs1=apple.ASNM.p=2OS=AN/appleRS=A
 N/apple
 
 From the above page:
 
 Virtually any type of glue suitable for bonding injection molded
 materials to titanium or titanium alloys may be used. An exemplary glue
 suitable for use in various embodiments of the present invention is
 Lord's glue 201/19 manufactured by the Lord Corporation of Cary, N.C.
 
 Here's on Lord Corporation's web site is their Engineered Adhesives
 page:
 http://www.lord.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=520
 
 I had a heck of a time finding just what sort of glue is '201/19', but
 eventually found infos in this doc:
 http://literature.lord.com/root/other/Metal_Bonding_Selector_Guide.pdf
 
 ACRYLIC ADHESIVES - LORD 201/19
 Applications - Bare metals, plastics and composites
 Working Time - 5-8 minutes
 Handling Time - Fast, 12-16 minutes
 Full Strength - 2 hours, heat cure typically not recommended
 Easy to dispense, Self-leveling
 Comments - Minimal surface preparation, fast cure, good environmental
 resistance.
 
 Now I just need to follow up and find a source from whom I can actually
 purchase some of this stuff . . .
 
 Scott, can you tell us what sort of epoxy you used? And how it seemed to
 work? I was concerned that many epoxies are brittle, and so maybe not
 good for a device that gets so much handling. Not that I know much about
 epoxies, or the above mentioned ACRYLIC ADHESIVE either . . .
 
 hth,
 
 Dan K
 
 PS: for a search that calls up all of Apple's patents, an interesting
 adventure in its own right:
 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFu=%2Fnet
 ahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htmr=0f=Sl=50d=PTXTRS=AN%2FappleQuery=AN%2FappleP
 revList1=Prev.+50+HitsTD=1757Srch1=apple.ASNM.
 
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 carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700
 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500
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Re: Swapping out a DVI TiBook display

2004-03-02 Thread Dan K
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got the majority of it done, just waiting for 
the epoxy to set. I'm a little nervous about the hinges. I'd love to get the 
skinny right from Apple as to how they do it.

I've wondered what sort of adhesive Apple used in the TiBooks as I 
currently have a pair of disassembled TiBooks and would like to shtick 
'em back together again. Recently I stumbled across some relevant info in 
one of Apple's patents, patent number 6,574,096 - Use of titanium in a 
notebook computer.

It's got lots of details on the TiBook's design and construction, plus it 
has interesting 'discussions' about Ti glue - go down about 2/3 of this 
page (or just repeatedly search the page for 'glue'):
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFu=/netah
tml/search-adv.htmr=80f=Gl=50d=PTXTs1=apple.ASNM.p=2OS=AN/appleRS=A
N/apple

From the above page:

Virtually any type of glue suitable for bonding injection molded 
materials to titanium or titanium alloys may be used. An exemplary glue 
suitable for use in various embodiments of the present invention is 
Lord's glue 201/19 manufactured by the Lord Corporation of Cary, N.C.

Here's on Lord Corporation's web site is their Engineered Adhesives 
page:
http://www.lord.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=520

I had a heck of a time finding just what sort of glue is '201/19', but 
eventually found infos in this doc:
http://literature.lord.com/root/other/Metal_Bonding_Selector_Guide.pdf

ACRYLIC ADHESIVES - LORD 201/19
Applications - Bare metals, plastics and composites
Working Time - 5-8 minutes
Handling Time - Fast, 12-16 minutes
Full Strength - 2 hours, heat cure typically not recommended
Easy to dispense, Self-leveling
Comments - Minimal surface preparation, fast cure, good environmental 
resistance.

Now I just need to follow up and find a source from whom I can actually 
purchase some of this stuff . . .

Scott, can you tell us what sort of epoxy you used? And how it seemed to 
work? I was concerned that many epoxies are brittle, and so maybe not 
good for a device that gets so much handling. Not that I know much about 
epoxies, or the above mentioned ACRYLIC ADHESIVE either . . .

hth,

Dan K

PS: for a search that calls up all of Apple's patents, an interesting 
adventure in its own right:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFu=%2Fnet
ahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htmr=0f=Sl=50d=PTXTRS=AN%2FappleQuery=AN%2FappleP
revList1=Prev.+50+HitsTD=1757Srch1=apple.ASNM.

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Re: Swapping out a DVI TiBook display

2004-03-02 Thread Scott Howe
Hi Dan-

Thanks for the info! Wow. I'm amazed by that info. Makes me love and respect
Apple even more. Even though taking apart that TiBook made me curse it's
very existence ;)

I came across some instructions my good friend gave me and they recommend
using Loc-Tite; which I used to used when I worked on small engines. My
experience with that scared me enough to NOT use it on a $3000 computer! But
it may be the best way to go.

Don't laugh, but I used copius amounts of SuperGlue on the hinges and frame,
for now. I'll see how it holds up. I'll tell you, I'm not convinced any
epoxy will provide enough hold over the long run. Maybe that¹s why Apple has
had such a problem with the hinges. An awful lot of abuse gets leveled at
those guys.

Thanks again,

Scott



On 3/2/04 1:50 PM, Dan K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I've wondered what sort of adhesive Apple used in the TiBooks as I
 currently have a pair of disassembled TiBooks and would like to shtick
 'em back together again. Recently I stumbled across some relevant info in
 one of Apple's patents, patent number 6,574,096 - Use of titanium in a
 notebook computer.








 
 It's got lots of details on the TiBook's design and construction, plus it
 has interesting 'discussions' about Ti glue - go down about 2/3 of this
 page (or just repeatedly search the page for 'glue'):
 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFu=/netah
 tml/search-adv.htmr=80f=Gl=50d=PTXTs1=apple.ASNM.p=2OS=AN/appleRS=A
 N/apple
 
 From the above page:
 
 Virtually any type of glue suitable for bonding injection molded
 materials to titanium or titanium alloys may be used. An exemplary glue
 suitable for use in various embodiments of the present invention is
 Lord's glue 201/19 manufactured by the Lord Corporation of Cary, N.C.
 
 Here's on Lord Corporation's web site is their Engineered Adhesives
 page:
 http://www.lord.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=520
 
 I had a heck of a time finding just what sort of glue is '201/19', but
 eventually found infos in this doc:
 http://literature.lord.com/root/other/Metal_Bonding_Selector_Guide.pdf
 
 ACRYLIC ADHESIVES - LORD 201/19
 Applications - Bare metals, plastics and composites
 Working Time - 5-8 minutes
 Handling Time - Fast, 12-16 minutes
 Full Strength - 2 hours, heat cure typically not recommended
 Easy to dispense, Self-leveling
 Comments - Minimal surface preparation, fast cure, good environmental
 resistance.
 
 Now I just need to follow up and find a source from whom I can actually
 purchase some of this stuff . . .
 
 Scott, can you tell us what sort of epoxy you used? And how it seemed to
 work? I was concerned that many epoxies are brittle, and so maybe not
 good for a device that gets so much handling. Not that I know much about
 epoxies, or the above mentioned ACRYLIC ADHESIVE either . . .
 
 hth,
 
 Dan K
 
 PS: for a search that calls up all of Apple's patents, an interesting
 adventure in its own right:
 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFu=%2Fnet
 ahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htmr=0f=Sl=50d=PTXTRS=AN%2FappleQuery=AN%2FappleP
 revList1=Prev.+50+HitsTD=1757Srch1=apple.ASNM.
 
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Re: Swapping out a DVI TiBook display

2004-03-02 Thread Scott Howe
Believe it or not folks, everything went back together fine, and it looks
great.

However, the display is displaying about half as bright as it should be. Any
ideas what might be wrong. I certainly hope I didn't swap out one problem
LCD for another.

Scott


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Re: Swapping out a DVI TiBook display

2004-03-01 Thread Eric Morrison
Scott:

Let me know if you want me to email you the Apple service manual with 
take-apart instructions.

... Eric

On Feb 29, 2004, at 9:21 AM, Scott Howe wrote:

Hi Folks-

I need to swap out a friends TiBook display. I've done many swaps on
Wallstreets and 190's in the past, but never to a TiBook. Anybody with 
any
experience doing this? How much time, difficulty etc? Also, any hints,
how-to's etc...would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Scott

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Re: Swapping out a DVI TiBook display

2004-03-01 Thread scott
Eric-

That would be great, thanks. I've got the majority of it done, just waiting for 
the epoxy to set. I'm a little nervous about the hinges. I'd love to get the 
skinny right from Apple as to how they do it.

Much appreciated,

Scott


Quoting Eric Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Scott:
 
 Let me know if you want me to email you the Apple service manual with 
 take-apart instructions.
 
 ... Eric
 
 On Feb 29, 2004, at 9:21 AM, Scott Howe wrote:
 
  Hi Folks-
 
  I need to swap out a friends TiBook display. I've done many swaps on
  Wallstreets and 190's in the past, but never to a TiBook. Anybody with 
  any
  experience doing this? How much time, difficulty etc? Also, any hints,
  how-to's etc...would be appreciated.
 
  Thanks!
 
  Scott
 
 
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Re: Swapping out a DVI TiBook display

2004-03-01 Thread Eric Morrison
Folks:

Sorry, meant to send this to Scott only.

... Eric

On Mar 1, 2004, at 9:17 AM, Eric Morrison wrote:

Scott:

Let me know if you want me to email you the Apple service manual with 
take-apart instructions.

... Eric

On Feb 29, 2004, at 9:21 AM, Scott Howe wrote:

Hi Folks-

I need to swap out a friends TiBook display. I've done many swaps on
Wallstreets and 190's in the past, but never to a TiBook. Anybody 
with any
experience doing this? How much time, difficulty etc? Also, any hints,
how-to's etc...would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Scott

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Swapping out a DVI TiBook display

2004-02-29 Thread Scott Howe
Hi Folks-

I need to swap out a friends TiBook display. I've done many swaps on
Wallstreets and 190's in the past, but never to a TiBook. Anybody with any
experience doing this? How much time, difficulty etc? Also, any hints,
how-to's etc...would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Scott


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