Re: Top-Bottom Posting Clarification

2006-02-04 Thread sandra ragan

You are correct... I mis-spoke... it is Mail...

On Feb 3, 2006, at 6:25 PM, phoenix wrote:


In /Safari/? Please don't mistake this for nit-picking, but I'm
genuinely curious if it's Safari (the web browser) or Mail.app that 
you're
talking about -- or some other program. I don't think I've seen a 
toggle

like this in Safari preferences. [grins]


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Top-Bottom Posting Clarification

2006-02-03 Thread Laurent Daudelin
We just got words from Dan, the List Mom, about the top-bottom posting issue
and here is what he said:

 The rule applies regardless of the default behavior of any given email
client. We established the rule for four reasons:

1. It's logical. It shows the flow from message to response.

2. It makes it possible to read a reply without having to skip past the
new text to read the quoted material it's responding to. If the thread
hasn't been active for a day or two - or you've been away from email
over the weekend - this is very helpful.

3. Bottom posting forces people to see how much they're quoting and
should act as a visual reminder not to quote everything.

4. Finally, it's nice to have consistency.

This is all about best practices, not default email software behavior.

Dan 

So, folks, better get used to it. I am not happy to have to remind people
but we've been asked to so I'm just carrying on.

Let's not turn this into a debate as to whether top or bottom posting is
best, OK?

Now resuming our G-Books regular content...

-Laurent.
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Re: Top-Bottom Posting Clarification

2006-02-03 Thread sandra ragan


On Feb 3, 2006, at 8:52 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

 The rule applies regardless of the default behavior of any given 
email

client. We established the rule for four reasons:


In Safari I found that there is a pref setting for sending your 
signature to the bottom (I added an extra line of empty space above my 
signature) ... and for the option to quote only selected text that 
seems to have simplifies the top posting problem for me : )


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Re: Top-Bottom Posting Clarification

2006-02-03 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 03/02/06 15:02, sandra ragan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Feb 3, 2006, at 8:52 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
 
  The rule applies regardless of the default behavior of any given
 email
 client. We established the rule for four reasons:
 
 In Safari I found that there is a pref setting for sending your
 signature to the bottom (I added an extra line of empty space above my
 signature) ... and for the option to quote only selected text that
 seems to have simplifies the top posting problem for me : )
 

If you can modify your signature, you can also add 2 '-' characters at the
beginning of a line, just above your name and signature. Many email clients
and news readers will honor this when automatically quoting by omitting
everything that follows those 2 '-' characters on a single line, which will
make the life of others easier since they won't have to delete the extra
text when they reply to one of your messages.

Like this:

--

-Laurent.
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Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA
 Usual disclaimers apply ***


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Re: Top-Bottom Posting Clarification

2006-02-03 Thread Brian L. Matthews

If you can modify your signature, you can also add 2 '-' characters at the
beginning of a line, just above your name and signature.


The standard is --  (dash dash space) on a line by itself. See RFC 
3676 for instance.


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Re: Top-Bottom Posting Clarification

2006-02-03 Thread mike kochkodin


--- Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 We just got words from Dan, the List Mom, about the
 top-bottom posting issue
 and here is what he said:
 
  The rule applies regardless of the default
 behavior of any given email
 client. We established the rule for four reasons:
 
 1. It's logical. It shows the flow from message to
 response.
 
 2. It makes it possible to read a reply without
 having to skip past the
 new text to read the quoted material it's responding
 to. If the thread
 hasn't been active for a day or two - or you've been
 away from email
 over the weekend - this is very helpful.
 
 3. Bottom posting forces people to see how much
 they're quoting and
 should act as a visual reminder not to quote
 everything.
 
 4. Finally, it's nice to have consistency.
 
 This is all about best practices, not default email
 software behavior.
 
 Dan 
 
 So, folks, better get used to it. I am not happy to
 have to remind people
 but we've been asked to so I'm just carrying on.
 
 Let's not turn this into a debate as to whether top
 or bottom posting is
 best, OK?
Just my $.02  BUT Netscape Mail has the option  to set
your reply either above, below, or select the specific
quote to reply to...It is located in the Account
Settings section/Composition
Regards,
Mike K in Central PA


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Re: Top-Bottom Posting Clarification

2006-02-03 Thread phoenix
Quoth sandra ragan :

 In Safari I found that there is a pref setting for sending your
 signature to the bottom

In /Safari/? Please don't mistake this for nit-picking, but I'm
genuinely curious if it's Safari (the web browser) or Mail.app that you're
talking about -- or some other program. I don't think I've seen a toggle
like this in Safari preferences. [grins]


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Re: Top-Bottom Posting Clarification

2006-02-03 Thread Geoffrey Peters

Stardate 060203.11:52 -0500. A subspace message from Laurent Daudelin reads:


1. It's logical. It shows the flow from message to response.


Historical note: RFC 1855 (which is what these rules are based on) 
grew out of the inherent patchiness in UseNet NNTP propagation -- 
no-one could guarantee that all messages within a particular thread 
would reach all servers and all recipients, so the practice of 
quoting started. This way, if a thread message went AWOL (as they 
often did, and still do) subsequent messages would still contain 
relevant content, thus most thread followers would not miss out on 
stuff.



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