Re: Wallstreet Dead
Laurent Daudelin said: I think your hard disk is busted. Why? Shouldn't some serious errors turn up when running disktests? I think rather that there is a NVRAM or PRAM problem. Facing the same symptoms I'd start with a fundamental reset (starting up with Cmd-Opt-O-F and typing reset-nvram and reset-all and on the following boot Cmd-Opt-P-R three chimes), followed with a low level format of the drive, while booted from CD and then drive testing. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet Dead
on 20/12/04 19:32, Mikael Byström at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurent Daudelin said: I think your hard disk is busted. Why? Shouldn't some serious errors turn up when running disktests? I think rather that there is a NVRAM or PRAM problem. Facing the same symptoms I'd start with a fundamental reset (starting up with Cmd-Opt-O-F and typing reset-nvram and reset-all and on the following boot Cmd-Opt-P-R three chimes), followed with a low level format of the drive, while booted from CD and then drive testing. Ok, so, you did deep reset the NVRAM. Is the drive now working? -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] bozotic /boh-zoh'tik/ or /boh-zo'tik/ adj.: [from the name of a TV clown even more losing than Ronald McDonald] Resembling or having the quality of a bozo; that is, clownish, ludicrously wrong, unintentionally humorous. Compare wonky, demented. Note that the noun `bozo' occurs in slang, but the mainstream adjectival form would be `bozo-like' or (in New England) `bozoish'. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet Dead
At 7:24 PM -0800 12/15/04, CR wrote: Greetings. I'm new to this list migrating from the PowerBooks list. I've been given a Wallstreet Family M4753 1998 233MHz-512K/32MB/2GB HD/4MB vieo/CD/Modem It's dead. First I wonder if the above numbers verify that it is the VersionII? Yes it is, same model I have. Secondly, I'll describe it's symptoms in solicitation of advise. When I received the PB it contained a OS9 disc in the CD drive and it booted from the CD without my prompting. I was able to Trash the previous owners files but not run any programs. I got a dialog box that said some program was missing. I was and have never been able to shut it down (unable to find a reset button as on my 3400) I have to pull out the battery and unplug it. Reset is standard three fingered salute, Apple-Control-Power. I tried booting from my PCMCIA drive but it froze in mid boot. I tried booting from a Tech Tools Disc and I get the start up sound but now the screen stays black and nothing. Once I hear the CD spinning. BAck to the OS9 disc trying the C key or OpenA-Option-Shift-Delete . Nothing The one time I did get it booted the HD rattled some but not terribly. Any and all advise is appreciated. I'd start with booting off the OS 9 CD, formatting the HD then do an install. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet Dead
Very interesting and useful advise. The first pattern I've noticed is that I can boot from an installer disc or Tech Tools but if something goes wrong and it freezes or I shut down to switch CDs then I cannot reboot again until after the PB has rested unplugged for a number of hours, say overnight. So I booted from Tech Tools and ran the Analysis. It reported only minor repairs required. Then I tried to Optimize (HD was very fragmented) but received dialog informing me of insufficient free space to Optimize a file. Close TT, delete a folder from the HD Try to Optimize again. Another dialog same information for an index file Close TT and try to open Sherlock to find index file Computer freezes. The only way I could get out of the freeze was to unplug and pull the battery. Then, unable boot from CD. Hear Start Up chime and then nothing. Command + Control +Power. Press C and hold it down. Is ineffective. If the PB boots it boots only from the CD without prompting shift | fn | ctrl | power key Works to shut down. At least it does the humm -whirr then when I press the power button I get the start up chime but that's all (when it is in it's uncoooperative mood) Reset is standard three fingered salute, Apple-Control-Power. Sometimes gives me a chime , but that's all. I'd start with booting off the OS 9 CD, formatting the HD then do an install. I think I'll try this next time it boots. I have 9.2 and 9.1 options. Is one preferred on the Wallstreet over the other? Thank you. Cliff -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet Dead
on 16/12/04 21:13, CR at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting and useful advise. The first pattern I've noticed is that I can boot from an installer disc or Tech Tools but if something goes wrong and it freezes or I shut down to switch CDs then I cannot reboot again until after the PB has rested unplugged for a number of hours, say overnight. So I booted from Tech Tools and ran the Analysis. It reported only minor repairs required. Then I tried to Optimize (HD was very fragmented) but received dialog informing me of insufficient free space to Optimize a file. Close TT, delete a folder from the HD Try to Optimize again. Another dialog same information for an index file Close TT and try to open Sherlock to find index file Computer freezes. The only way I could get out of the freeze was to unplug and pull the battery. Then, unable boot from CD. Hear Start Up chime and then nothing. Command + Control +Power. Press C and hold it down. Is ineffective. If the PB boots it boots only from the CD without prompting shift | fn | ctrl | power key Works to shut down. At least it does the humm -whirr then when I press the power button I get the start up chime but that's all (when it is in it's uncoooperative mood) Reset is standard three fingered salute, Apple-Control-Power. Sometimes gives me a chime , but that's all. I'd start with booting off the OS 9 CD, formatting the HD then do an install. I think I'll try this next time it boots. I have 9.2 and 9.1 options. Is one preferred on the Wallstreet over the other? I think your hard disk is busted. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fish n.: [Adelaide University, Australia] 1. Another metasyntactic variable. See foo. Derived originally from the Monty Python skit in the middle of The Meaning of Life entitled Find the Fish. 2. A pun for `microfiche'. A microfiche file cabinet may be referred to as a `fish tank'. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet Dead
Greetings. I'm new to this list migrating from the PowerBooks list. I've been given a Wallstreet Family M4753 1998 233MHz-512K/32MB/2GB HD/4MB vieo/CD/Modem It's dead. First I wonder if the above numbers verify that it is the VersionII? Secondly, I'll describe it's symptoms in solicitation of advise. When I received the PB it contained a OS9 disc in the CD drive and it booted from the CD without my prompting. I was able to Trash the previous owners files but not run any programs. I got a dialog box that said some program was missing. I was and have never been able to shut it down (unable to find a reset button as on my 3400) I have to pull out the battery and unplug it. I tried booting from my PCMCIA drive but it froze in mid boot. I tried booting from a Tech Tools Disc and I get the start up sound but now the screen stays black and nothing. Once I hear the CD spinning. BAck to the OS9 disc trying the C key or OpenA-Option-Shift-Delete . Nothing The one time I did get it booted the HD rattled some but not terribly. Any and all advise is appreciated. 1 when you booted from the CD and you deleted the users files, I am assuming that was from the HD? 2 Can you install OS 9 from the CD to the HD? 3 the reset combo are shift | fn | ctrl | power key (all three on bottom left of keyboard) When you select these you should hear a whirl sound, let go and the computer is off. I would not recommend this as a regular practice for shutting down your computer. 4 Did you zap the pram? Start up computer and push 4 keys, Ctrl | open apple | P | R Hold these until you hear the start-up chimes again The power button should be on the top of keyboard on right just above the F9 and F10 keys. 5 is your OS 9 CD a install CD? -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Wallstreet Dead
Greetings. I'm new to this list migrating from the PowerBooks list. I've been given a Wallstreet Family M4753 1998 233MHz-512K/32MB/2GB HD/4MB vieo/CD/Modem It's dead. First I wonder if the above numbers verify that it is the VersionII? Secondly, I'll describe it's symptoms in solicitation of advise. When I received the PB it contained a OS9 disc in the CD drive and it booted from the CD without my prompting. I was able to Trash the previous owners files but not run any programs. I got a dialog box that said some program was missing. I was and have never been able to shut it down (unable to find a reset button as on my 3400) I have to pull out the battery and unplug it. I tried booting from my PCMCIA drive but it froze in mid boot. I tried booting from a Tech Tools Disc and I get the start up sound but now the screen stays black and nothing. Once I hear the CD spinning. BAck to the OS9 disc trying the C key or OpenA-Option-Shift-Delete . Nothing The one time I did get it booted the HD rattled some but not terribly. Any and all advise is appreciated. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet Dead
on 15/12/04 22:24, CR at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. I'm new to this list migrating from the PowerBooks list. I've been given a Wallstreet Family M4753 1998 233MHz-512K/32MB/2GB HD/4MB vieo/CD/Modem It's dead. First I wonder if the above numbers verify that it is the VersionII? Secondly, I'll describe it's symptoms in solicitation of advise. When I received the PB it contained a OS9 disc in the CD drive and it booted from the CD without my prompting. I was able to Trash the previous owners files but not run any programs. I got a dialog box that said some program was missing. I was and have never been able to shut it down (unable to find a reset button as on my 3400) I have to pull out the battery and unplug it. I tried booting from my PCMCIA drive but it froze in mid boot. I tried booting from a Tech Tools Disc and I get the start up sound but now the screen stays black and nothing. Once I hear the CD spinning. BAck to the OS9 disc trying the C key or OpenA-Option-Shift-Delete . Nothing The one time I did get it booted the HD rattled some but not terribly. Any and all advise is appreciated. HI and welcome! There might be a few things that are wrong so it could be a little more difficult to find out what's going on. That being said, do you have a system install CD that you know to be good? If so, the next thing would be to put the battery back in and plug it. Leave it plugged for something like 24 hours. To start up an apparently dead PowerBook, you can use Command + Control + Power. Press C and hold it down. If the CD is good and the CD-ROM drive is still working, it should boot. If it doesn't there could be a couple of things that prevent it from booting. The CD-ROM drive might have turned out bad. After a few years of use, the processor daughtercard might have come loose, which would explain an erratic behavior where sometimes it would start and at other times, it would not. Or it could be a loose RAM DIMM. Try to remove the keyboard. There should be the processor heatsink underneath the keyboard. Once you remove the heatsink, you will have access to the processor daugthercard which contains the processor, of course, and also the RAM. I would suggest removing all the RAM chips and put them back, making sure they are properly seated in the slot. Then, put back the processor daughtercard. Check where the pins connecting the card to the motherboard are, then apply most of your pressure in that corner. It takes more force than you would imagine for such a fragile thing to seat it properly. See how it goes and let us know of your progress... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] foo /foo/ 1. interj. Term of disgust. 2. [very common] Used very generally as a sample name for absolutely anything, esp. programs and files (esp. scratch files). 3. First on the standard list of metasyntactic variables used in syntax examples. See also bar, baz, qux, quux, corge, grault, garply, waldo, fred, plugh, xyzzy, thud. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet dead? How to resuscitate?
Hi Listers On 12/02/04 16:54, Jack Countryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had a bottom of the line G3 series Wallstreet given to me. I helped get it to boot some time back and pulled data off of it...so I know it had a dead pram battery then. I eventually got it to boot then by leaving it plugged in for a while...but this time its sat plugged in for over 24 hours and still nothing. Ideas on ways to get it going since I don't have other batteries for it? Thanks in advance. I had a similar problem. I solved mine by the following with help from the other listers: My W/S would not boot at all with the battery installed AC adaptor connected. This I found was due to a dead battery PRAM battery. If I removed the main battery it would boot with the AC adaptor connected but when the battery was installed the W/S would not recognize it and thus not charge it. I have found out that with a dead battery the PRAM will not charge as the W/S needs a small amount of charge in the main battery in order to charge the PRAM. I then found out that a Apple programme called Battery Reset 2 would rectify a problem of the W/Snot being unable to recognize the battery. I found a copy of this programme by finding in on Version Tracker then installed it. This solved the problem as the battery was now seen by the W/S, charging began and the PRAM also as the date time kept correct each time it was switched off. The W/S would now also boot from the battery without the AC adaptor or with battery left in and adaptor connected. Hope this helps. John Abraham. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wallstreet dead? How to resuscitate?
On 12/02/04 16:54, Jack Countryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had a bottom of the line G3 series Wallstreet given to me. I helped get it to boot some time back and pulled data off of it...so I know it had a dead pram battery then. I eventually got it to boot then by leaving it plugged in for a while...but this time its sat plugged in for over 24 hours and still nothing. Ideas on ways to get it going since I don't have other batteries for it? Thanks in advance. Did you try the usual Command(Apple)-Control-Power? -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Wallstreet dead? How to resuscitate?
I've had a bottom of the line G3 series Wallstreet given to me. I helped get it to boot some time back and pulled data off of it...so I know it had a dead pram battery then. I eventually got it to boot then by leaving it plugged in for a while...but this time its sat plugged in for over 24 hours and still nothing. Ideas on ways to get it going since I don't have other batteries for it? Thanks in advance. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
