Re: Another wireless question
On Thursday, December 30, 2004, at 08:17 AM, diane wrote: At 7:57 PM -0800 12/29/04, Andrew F. wrote: Any router will work. The ones sold by PC networking companies are usually configured through a web browser as opposed to Apple's AirPort utility, but once set up, 802.1 is 802.1, though of course speed varies by which protocol you use. How fast is wireless compared to 10 or 100BT these days? When I looked into it years ago it was pretty slow. Apple's airport base station supports up to 10 systems at 11 mbs, shared, best case scenario. It isn't switched, which most wired networks are these days so it'll end up slower than 10-base-t. At farther distances your transmission rate will drop. Of course 100BT will blow it out of the water. The catch, of course is that even 11 Mbs shared is faster than 99.99% of home user's connection to the internet... -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D. Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Another wireless question
At 12:14 PM -0700 12/31/04, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Thursday, December 30, 2004, at 08:17 AM, diane wrote: At 7:57 PM -0800 12/29/04, Andrew F. wrote: Any router will work. The ones sold by PC networking companies are usually configured through a web browser as opposed to Apple's AirPort utility, but once set up, 802.1 is 802.1, though of course speed varies by which protocol you use. How fast is wireless compared to 10 or 100BT these days? When I looked into it years ago it was pretty slow. Apple's airport base station supports up to 10 systems at 11 mbs, shared, best case scenario. It isn't switched, which most wired networks are these days so it'll end up slower than 10-base-t. At farther distances your transmission rate will drop. Of course 100BT will blow it out of the water. The catch, of course is that even 11 Mbs shared is faster than 99.99% of home user's connection to the internet... Thanks for the replies! One of the reasons I had discounted it for the office network way back when (which you reminded me of) was that the 100BT network was much quicker. But I had a friend recently ask me for an opinion for home use with the internet and I drew a blank. They do not have a home network, we do (again at 100BT) Interesting to hear the facts from those that use it. :) Diane -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Another wireless question
At 7:57 PM -0800 12/29/04, Andrew F. wrote: Any router will work. The ones sold by PC networking companies are usually configured through a web browser as opposed to Apple's AirPort utility, but once set up, 802.1 is 802.1, though of course speed varies by which protocol you use. How fast is wireless compared to 10 or 100BT these days? When I looked into it years ago it was pretty slow. Thanks, Diane -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Another wireless question
Hi Diane, Wireless is just as good as wired these days. You can go 802.11b at up to 10MBs, or the more current 802.11g at 54MBs. I have an iBook G4 1GHz talking to an 802.11b access point, and the web pages load super fast! Download speeds are equally speedy. 802.11g is newer, and faster, but it's not necessary for me since my access point is plugged into a 10MB port on a switch. When I plug the iBook directly into the 10MB port on the switch, the speed is identical as it is when connected wirelessly. For a comparison, I haven't plugged it into a 100MB port. I'll have to try that out and see how much faster it is. But anyway... if you're interested in wireless and speed is a concern, it shouldn't be. Even at 802.11b, you're cookin'! Mike At 7:57 PM -0800 12/29/04, Andrew F. wrote: /Any router will work. The ones sold by PC networking companies are usually configured through a web browser as opposed to Apple's AirPort utility, but once set up, 802.1 is 802.1, though of course speed varies by which protocol you use. / How fast is wireless compared to 10 or 100BT these days? When I looked into it years ago it was pretty slow. Thanks, Diane -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Another wireless question
On Dec 30, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Michael Clarke wrote: Hi Diane, Wireless is just as good as wired these days. Unless you're trying to transfer large files within a home network. We moved our ReplayTV unit to another room where there was no ethernet jack went to an 802.11b bridge (hoping to upgrade to g later, but bridges are hard to find cheap), and the time needed to transfer files to our computers is dramatically longer. It's way worse if both are working wirelessly; I plug my powerbook in if I'm downloading a show. But for internet access it's fine. Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Another wireless question
That's a good point! An 802.11b wireless access point, or bridge (depending on how you're using it) is just the same as a 10MB network port. That's not true. Firstly, 802.11b is rated at up to 11 Mbps, not 10 Mbps like 10base-T ethernet. However, 802.11b has tons of overhead (as does 11g), so your raw speed is never likely to exceed 6 Mbps. Factor in WEP and you're even slower. The reason you never notice the difference is because you're only using your connection to download web pages or other files on the wider Internet. At best, your Internet connection is around 3 Mbps and will not saturate your 11b link. Second, depending on your range to the base station or the amount of noise on your wireless link, 802.11b will step down from 11 Mbps to 5.5 Mbps. Then to 2 Mbps and 1 Mbps if it has to. There's no in between speeds. Long distance links are glacial (fortunately not many people have long distance links inside their own homes). 10bT is still the way to go for in-home networks where wiring isn't a problem. 11g has similar problems but starts with a higher 54 Mbps bandwidth. It will be faster in most conditions than your 10base-T wired ethernet but far slower than 100base-T ethernet. When transferring large files on my home network, I find that I saturate the link at just under 500 KBps (that's kilobytes) or ~3.9 Mbps. I'm using 64-bit WEP on a Pismo with AirPort, OS 9.2.2, and a Linksys brand wireless access point. The server is an AppleShare IP 6.3 based G4 and the protocol is HTTP. Not very impressive. The same test using wired 10base-T comes in at 1000 KBps (~7.8 Mbps - about DOUBLE what I get with the wireless). There limitation is likely the server's NIC (merely 10base-T) since the Pismo has a 10/100base-T ethernet port and my LAN is set up with a 16-port 10/100base-T switch. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Another wireless question
I'll had that it is easy to mix wireless and wired networking. I have an
AirPort Extreme base station which is connected via cat 5 ethernet cable to
a 4-port 10/100 switch. My desktop G4 is connected to the switch, with
another cable handy at the desk to connect whatever laptop I choose, be it
Mac or PC.
The rest of the computers are connected wirelessly, though they certainly
can use the 10/100 cable if I put them on the desk. Also, while the
wireless is 802.11g and is fast when used with my aluminum PowerBook G4, as
soon as I turn on an older 802.11b computer, the network slows down
appreciably, which is just a function of mixed networking, but still faster
(on the 'g' machine) than 802.11b on its own ('b' machines of course
communicate at 'b' speed).
What is nice about a mixed system is the flexibility. If I know I will
transfer files very quickly and for whatever reason don't want to use
FireWire disk mode (perhaps a head to head game?) I will use the fast
ethernet cable, and since I have two ore empty ports, can connect to more
computers to make a real lan party (though I've yet to need faster than
wireless for games).
The most I've ever had running at the same time was actually last night,
when I got yet another old PowerBook up and running with a wireless
connection. Here is the list.
PowerMac G4 Sawtooth - wired connection
PowerBook G4 12, Panther, Airport Extreme (g)
PowerBook G3 Pismo, Panther, Airport card (b)
PowerBook G3 Lombard, Panther, Linksys card and IOExperts OSX driver (b)
PowerBook G3 Kanga, OS 8.6, Orinoco Gold card and Orinoco 7.2 driver (b)
Toshiba Portege 3490, Windows 2000, 3Com OfficeConnect card, (b)
Compaq Presario 300, Windows XP (Korean), Proxim Orinoco (new) (b)
With that melange all connected, download speed was still better than
dialup, but not by much.
Andrew
On 12/30/04 7:09 PM, Andrew Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a good point! An 802.11b wireless access point, or bridge
(depending on how you're using it) is just the same as a 10MB
network port.
That's not true. Firstly, 802.11b is rated at up to 11 Mbps, not
10 Mbps like 10base-T ethernet. However, 802.11b has tons of
overhead (as does 11g), so your raw speed is never likely to exceed 6
Mbps. Factor in WEP and you're even slower. The reason you never
notice the difference is because you're only using your connection to
download web pages or other files on the wider Internet. At best,
your Internet connection is around 3 Mbps and will not saturate your
11b link. Second, depending on your range to the base station or the
amount of noise on your wireless link, 802.11b will step down from 11
Mbps to 5.5 Mbps. Then to 2 Mbps and 1 Mbps if it has to. There's
no in between speeds. Long distance links are glacial (fortunately
not many people have long distance links inside their own homes).
10bT is still the way to go for in-home networks where wiring isn't a
problem.
11g has similar problems but starts with a higher 54 Mbps bandwidth.
It will be faster in most conditions than your 10base-T wired
ethernet but far slower than 100base-T ethernet.
When transferring large files on my home network, I find that I
saturate the link at just under 500 KBps (that's kilobytes) or ~3.9
Mbps. I'm using 64-bit WEP on a Pismo with AirPort, OS 9.2.2, and a
Linksys brand wireless access point. The server is an AppleShare IP
6.3 based G4 and the protocol is HTTP. Not very impressive. The
same test using wired 10base-T comes in at 1000 KBps (~7.8 Mbps -
about DOUBLE what I get with the wireless). There limitation is
likely the server's NIC (merely 10base-T) since the Pismo has a
10/100base-T ethernet port and my LAN is set up with a 16-port
10/100base-T switch.
Peace,
Drew
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Another wireless question
I have a card(802.11b) from Lucent that Airport seems to have no problems with, as I tried it on my Wallstreet when I bought it. My question is, will ANY wireless router work for wireless networking? Or does the router have to be OS 9 specific? Thanks Bill -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Another wireless question
Any router will work. The ones sold by PC networking companies are usually configured through a web browser as opposed to Apple's AirPort utility, but once set up, 802.1 is 802.1, though of course speed varies by which protocol you use. Andrew On 12/29/04 7:48 PM, William Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a card(802.11b) from Lucent that Airport seems to have no problems with, as I tried it on my Wallstreet when I bought it. My question is, will ANY wireless router work for wireless networking? Or does the router have to be OS 9 specific? Thanks Bill -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Another Wireless Question
On 19 Jun, 2004, at 12:53, G-Books wrote: Let us know if it works in OS X without a driver. That would be a first! -Laurent. Hi Laurent and all, Regarding the Buffalo Airstation WLI-CB-G54A-3 54Mpbs Cardbus, 802.11g and 80211.b. I received it yesterday and I was on the air with it in literally 2 minutes. You may recall I was attempting to use it in a Pismo G3/400, running Mac OS X 10.3.3. Sequence was: Downloaded/installed the latest version of Airport (3.4.1) - opened it. Inserted the card and ran the Airport Setup Assistant. After configuration, it put up two icons in the menu bar - one is for powering the card on/off and the other gives signal strength and turns Airport on or off, plus you can get to Internet Connect by clicking on it in the dropdown menu. (Use this if you haven't opened Airport already). I was about 50-60 feet away from my son's G5, which was on the air with Broadband. The card saw his (named) network straight away, with fives on the signal strength. I opened Safari and was immediately on to the Macsurfer site. I then opened Software Update and downloaded all those large file updates that were too big for my 56k dialup connection. Couldn't have been simpler. A few points. The Airstation package comes with a CDROM for Windoze - use it for your tea/coffee mug - it's of no use whatsoever to a Mac user and you don't need it. Check System Profile - click on Airport Card and you should get Airport Card Information - Wireless Card Type - Third Party Wireless Card, if it's setup OK. When you have finished with surfing/downloading, ensure that you CLOSE AIRPORT FIRST, before powering off the card and ejecting it. I didn't the first time and had a system crash (kernel panic). No probs if you close Airport first. Make sure you buy the G54A-3 card - there are cards with somewhat similar numbers that may not work. I downloaded 10.3.4 and installed it - and tried all again today - no probs at the moment. Haven't tried it further away than 50-60 feet from the network yet. I did open the CDROM on an old Windows laptop - just to see what is on there. There is an FAQ section which answers the question can you use the card with Apple/Macs? (It says yes). Ignore all of the answers, as they were written in 2001 and woefully out of date (and badly spelled!). The answers given are the sort of ques/answer session you get on a Windoze troubleshooting page! I did install the card on the Windoze 98 machine and it took about 30 minutes using the CDROM! Finally, the www.buffalo-technology.com Website actually says that this card (and some others) supports Mac PBs running 10.2.6 and up, if you do a search on Mac OS X. For any UK reader - the cheapest I could find in UK for the card was 35.85 (VAT incl) UKP, next day delivery from eXpansys in Manchester. www.expansys.com PC World have it, but it's about 46 UKP. Interested to hear of anyone else using this card and also the experience of the guy who bought two other brands of cards Regards to all -- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Another Wireless Question
On 18 Jun, 2004, at 02:31, G-Books wrote: A Pismo has only an internal regular AirPort card slot. AirPort (the 1st generation) only supports 802.11b. If you want to use 802.11g, then you will need to buy a 3rd party card and make sure they provide a driver for the OS you want to use it with. This 3rd party card will be a PCMCIA card, so you will need to plug it into the PCMCIA slot of your Pismo. I haven't heard about any 3rd party 802.11g card that works in OS X right now. That is not to say that it doesn't exist, but I haven't heard about any. You could check the driver of IOExpert.com. They sell a driver that supports a wide range of 802.11b card in OS X. Maybe they do support 802.11g cards as well, I don't know. I think that it will be hard to find anything 802.11g for OS 9. The OS hasn't been updated in over 2 years and Apple has clearly stated that it's a dead-end. So, most manufacturers and software developers focus their resources for OS X and you're more likely to get support for 802.11g for OS X only. However, you do have to remember that with OS X having maybe 2% or 3% of the computer market, few wireless equipment makers provide drivers even for OS X. That's where IOExpert might come handy... -Laurent. Hi Laurent and all, I hesitate to contribute further to this long thread, BUT, I have spoken to Buffalo (UK) this a.m. and their Tech guys say that a Buffalo WLI-CB-G54A Airstation PCMCIA Card (802.11g and backwards compatible to 802.11b) will work in a Pismo G3/400, running Mac OS X, as Airport and Buffalo use the same chipset, hence the Airport software is OK, and no drivers needed. (Hope they're right for me and anyone else who decides to go this way!) Based on this, I have bought one for my Pismo G3/400 Mac OSX 10.3.3) and it's on its way. Cheers -- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Another Wireless Question
on 18/06/04 08:16, Peter DeAth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Laurent and all, I hesitate to contribute further to this long thread, BUT, I have spoken to Buffalo (UK) this a.m. and their Tech guys say that a Buffalo WLI-CB-G54A Airstation PCMCIA Card (802.11g and backwards compatible to 802.11b) will work in a Pismo G3/400, running Mac OS X, as Airport and Buffalo use the same chipset, hence the Airport software is OK, and no drivers needed. (Hope they're right for me and anyone else who decides to go this way!) Based on this, I have bought one for my Pismo G3/400 Mac OSX 10.3.3) and it's on its way. Let us know if it works in OS X without a driver. That would be a first! -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fudge: 1. vt. To perform in an incomplete but marginally acceptable way, particularly with respect to the writing of a program. I didn't feel like going through that pain and suffering, so I fudged it -- I'll fix it later. 2. n. The resulting code. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Another Wireless Question
On Jun 18, 2004, at 8:14 am, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 18/06/04 08:16, Peter DeAth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Laurent and all, I hesitate to contribute further to this long thread, BUT, I have spoken to Buffalo (UK) this a.m. and their Tech guys say that a Buffalo WLI-CB-G54A Airstation PCMCIA Card (802.11g and backwards compatible to 802.11b) will work in a Pismo G3/400, running Mac OS X, as Airport and Buffalo use the same chipset, hence the Airport software is OK, and no drivers needed. (Hope they're right for me and anyone else who decides to go this way!) Based on this, I have bought one for my Pismo G3/400 Mac OSX 10.3.3) and it's on its way. Let us know if it works in OS X without a driver. That would be a first! -Laurent. I have been researching a card for my Lombard. Buffalo says their card will work without a driver and so does Macwireless. To be safe I have one of both on their way. Alan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: another wireless question
On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 05:05 AM, Steve Fuller wrote: No specific recommendations, but if money's tight that's another good reason to go with 'b'. I wouldn't worry too much about 'b' being obsolete, as 'g' will be obsolete soon as well. :) Good point. Thanks Jeff, Laurent, Frank Bob - I think I'll go with the airport card and an inexpensive B router. Now that you've got me started, on to Just to clarify something I've seen in this thread, an Airport card is a wireless card that uses 802.11b to communicate between itself and a wireless access point (WAP) or other computers. This card requires an Airport slot to work. The Pismo only has a PCMCIA slot. To my knowledge, a genuine Apple Airport card will NOT work in this slot as the pinout on the Apple Airport card is different (and unique to Apple). You will need to purchase a standard PCMCIA 802.11b wireless card for your Pismo, so you will need to research what cards are going to work for you and whatever OS you are using on your computer. Just thought that I'd clear up the terminology a bit, as it can make a difference when you are buying hardware. Steve Fuller That is not correct, the Pismo introduced in 2000 is Airport ready. http://www.lowendmac.com/pb2/pismo.shtml 700MHz iBook G3 640MB Ram OS 10.2.8 Laugha while you can monkeyboy. Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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No, the Pismo has an internal Airport (but not Airport Extreme) card slot. Tony C. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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No specific recommendations, but if money's tight that's another good reason to go with 'b'. I wouldn't worry too much about 'b' being obsolete, as 'g' will be obsolete soon as well. :) Good point. Thanks Jeff, Laurent, Frank Bob - I think I'll go with the airport card and an inexpensive B router. Now that you've got me started, on to Just to clarify something I've seen in this thread, an Airport card is a wireless card that uses 802.11b to communicate between itself and a wireless access point (WAP) or other computers. This card requires an Airport slot to work. The Pismo only has a PCMCIA slot. To my knowledge, a genuine Apple Airport card will NOT work in this slot as the pinout on the Apple Airport card is different (and unique to Apple). You will need to purchase a standard PCMCIA 802.11b wireless card for your Pismo, so you will need to research what cards are going to work for you and whatever OS you are using on your computer. Just thought that I'd clear up the terminology a bit, as it can make a difference when you are buying hardware. Steve Fuller -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: another wireless question
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Steve Fuller wrote: Just to clarify something I've seen in this thread, an Airport card is a wireless card that uses 802.11b to communicate between itself and a wireless access point (WAP) or other computers. This card requires an Airport slot to work. The Pismo only has a PCMCIA slot. To my Eek. My bad. Didn't know this. Thanks for clarifying that. knowledge, a genuine Apple Airport card will NOT work in this slot as the pinout on the Apple Airport card is different (and unique to Apple). You will need to purchase a standard PCMCIA 802.11b wireless card for your Pismo, so you will need to research what cards are going to work for you and whatever OS you are using on your computer. Just thought that I'd clear up the terminology a bit, as it can make a difference when you are buying hardware. Steve Fuller -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On 17/06/04 13:12, Frank P. Eigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Steve Fuller wrote: Just to clarify something I've seen in this thread, an Airport card is a wireless card that uses 802.11b to communicate between itself and a wireless access point (WAP) or other computers. This card requires an Airport slot to work. The Pismo only has a PCMCIA slot. To my Eek. My bad. Didn't know this. Thanks for clarifying that. Gee! This thread is one of the toughest I ever seen! The Pismo has one PCMCIA slot *AND* one internal AirPort slot for an AirPort card. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jun 17, 2004, at 12:50 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: On 17/06/04 13:12, Frank P. Eigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Steve Fuller wrote: Just to clarify something I've seen in this thread, an Airport card is a wireless card that uses 802.11b to communicate between itself and a wireless access point (WAP) or other computers. This card requires an Airport slot to work. The Pismo only has a PCMCIA slot. To my Eek. My bad. Didn't know this. Thanks for clarifying that. Gee! This thread is one of the toughest I ever seen! The Pismo has one PCMCIA slot *AND* one internal AirPort slot for an AirPort card. Thank you to Laurent and all the others for the correction. The Pismo was a bit before my time, and I was basing my comments on outdated and obviously incorrect information. We all learn something new every day don't we? :) Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Steve Fuller wrote: On Jun 17, 2004, at 12:50 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: On 17/06/04 13:12, Frank P. Eigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Steve Fuller wrote: Just to clarify something I've seen in this thread, an Airport card is a wireless card that uses 802.11b to communicate between itself and a wireless access point (WAP) or other computers. This card requires an Airport slot to work. The Pismo only has a PCMCIA slot. To my Eek. My bad. Didn't know this. Thanks for clarifying that. Gee! This thread is one of the toughest I ever seen! The Pismo has one PCMCIA slot *AND* one internal AirPort slot for an AirPort card. Thank you to Laurent and all the others for the correction. The Pismo was a bit before my time, and I was basing my comments on outdated and obviously incorrect information. We all learn something new every day don't we? :) Yup - but only if we pay attention ;-) -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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I've had an 802.11b Airport card in my Pismo (Powerbook Firewire 2000) since 2001. IF I wanted to upgrade to the 802.11g standard I would need to get a compatible PCMCIA card. Pismo 400MHZ G3, 768MB RAM, OS X 10.3.4 Turtle-Bear Nice, that's very close to the system I have. Which base station are you using? Are you confident that you can use 802.11g on this model, even as a PCMCIA card? How about AirPort Extreme? I was under the impression that the Firewire 2000 was only able to use 802.11b. Is this a driver issue? Also, what about Mac OS 9.2? Will I be able to use an 802.11b or 802.11g PCMCIA card in both X and 9.2? Anyone have a tested combo so I can start with a known good setup? I swear I am reading GB's of web pages relating to this issue. Still just a bit confusing, but it is getting clearer, slowly. Better to measure twice and cut once, I think, even if that involves asking scores of questions. Thanks to all who have helped me so far, and there's more to come... Dan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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on 17/06/04 20:58, Pauline Turtle-Bear Guillermo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had an 802.11b Airport card in my Pismo (Powerbook Firewire 2000) since 2001. IF I wanted to upgrade to the 802.11g standard I would need to get a compatible PCMCIA card. That is correct, sir. Again, the only reason why a 802.11g would be better than 802.11b would be in the case where you want to frequently transfer large files between your Pismo and another computer on your network. There is currently no broadband access (cable or DSL) that will use all the bandwidth of 802.11b, so it is really pointless to get 802.11g in the hope of faster transfers from the internet... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe, trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -Rich Cook -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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on 17/06/04 21:18, Imal Tornapart at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had an 802.11b Airport card in my Pismo (Powerbook Firewire 2000) since 2001. IF I wanted to upgrade to the 802.11g standard I would need to get a compatible PCMCIA card. Pismo 400MHZ G3, 768MB RAM, OS X 10.3.4 Turtle-Bear Nice, that's very close to the system I have. Which base station are you using? Are you confident that you can use 802.11g on this model, even as a PCMCIA card? How about AirPort Extreme? I was under the impression that the Firewire 2000 was only able to use 802.11b. Is this a driver issue? Also, what about Mac OS 9.2? Will I be able to use an 802.11b or 802.11g PCMCIA card in both X and 9.2? Anyone have a tested combo so I can start with a known good setup? I swear I am reading GB's of web pages relating to this issue. Still just a bit confusing, but it is getting clearer, slowly. Better to measure twice and cut once, I think, even if that involves asking scores of questions. Thanks to all who have helped me so far, and there's more to come... A Pismo has only an internal regular AirPort card slot. AirPort (the 1st generation) only supports 802.11b. If you want to use 802.11g, then you will need to buy a 3rd party card and make sure they provide a driver for the OS you want to use it with. This 3rd party card will be a PCMCIA card, so you will need to plug it into the PCMCIA slot of your Pismo. I haven't heard about any 3rd party 802.11g card that works in OS X right now. That is not to say that it doesn't exist, but I haven't heard about any. You could check the driver of IOExpert.com. They sell a driver that supports a wide range of 802.11b card in OS X. Maybe they do support 802.11g cards as well, I don't know. I think that it will be hard to find anything 802.11g for OS 9. The OS hasn't been updated in over 2 years and Apple has clearly stated that it's a dead-end. So, most manufacturers and software developers focus their resources for OS X and you're more likely to get support for 802.11g for OS X only. However, you do have to remember that with OS X having maybe 2% or 3% of the computer market, few wireless equipment makers provide drivers even for OS X. That's where IOExpert might come handy... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] featurectomy /fee`ch*r-ek't*-mee/ n.: The act of removing a feature from a program. Featurectomies come in two flavors, the `righteous' and the `reluctant'. Righteous featurectomies are performed because the remover believes the program would be more elegant without the feature, or there is already an equivalent and better way to achieve the same end. (Doing so is not quite the same thing as removing a misfeature.) Reluctant featurectomies are performed to satisfy some external constraint such as code size or execution speed. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Dan, We use the snow Airport base station (not extreme). It was fairly easy to set up (followed directions for most secure - for wireless - network). We made a few stumbling mistakes, but finally got it working. Works nicely with our Qwest DSL. DSL Modem-Router---Ethernet Switch---ABS The above ethernet switch is distribution for ethernet throughout our house. I've seen lots of talk about wireless 802.11g PC cards and I would check out http://macwireless.com first if I was going to buy. Seems like a great website. BTW, for our purposes Airport Extreme = 802.11g. You just can't install an Airport Extreme card in a Pismo due to a different type of port and hardware protocol. So the only way to go for extreme speed is a PCMCIA wireless card. Can't actually help you because I haven't shopped yet. Can't help with OS 9 issues and wireless PC cards either, but the Airport card installed in my Pismo works fine on OS 9.2.2 and Jaguar/Panther. Turtle-Bear On Jun 17, 2004, at 7:18 PM, Imal Tornapart wrote: I've had an 802.11b Airport card in my Pismo (Powerbook Firewire 2000) since 2001. IF I wanted to upgrade to the 802.11g standard I would need to get a compatible PCMCIA card. Pismo 400MHZ G3, 768MB RAM, OS X 10.3.4 Turtle-Bear Nice, that's very close to the system I have. Which base station are you using? Are you confident that you can use 802.11g on this model, even as a PCMCIA card? How about AirPort Extreme? I was under the impression that the Firewire 2000 was only able to use 802.11b. Is this a driver issue? Also, what about Mac OS 9.2? Will I be able to use an 802.11b or 802.11g PCMCIA card in both X and 9.2? Anyone have a tested combo so I can start with a known good setup? I swear I am reading GB's of web pages relating to this issue. Still just a bit confusing, but it is getting clearer, slowly. Better to measure twice and cut once, I think, even if that involves asking scores of questions. Thanks to all who have helped me so far, and there's more to come... Dan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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The reason that you didn't know it, it that the statement isn't true! The Pismo does have an Airport Slot. Tom on 6/17/04 12:12, Frank P. Eigler at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Steve Fuller wrote: Just to clarify something I've seen in this thread, an Airport card is a wireless card that uses 802.11b to communicate between itself and a wireless access point (WAP) or other computers. This card requires an Airport slot to work. The Pismo only has a PCMCIA slot. To my Eek. My bad. Didn't know this. Thanks for clarifying that. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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The National Enquirer reports at 7:59 PM -0800 6/15/04, Tom Wolfe wrote: I'm sorry if this has been discussed ad infitinum, but I have a wireless question... My printer sharing question must have been the same. I never did get a response on it. My wired router just died, and since I've got to replace it, I figure it's a good time to go wireless. Just a couple of quick questions, if you please. 1) Can I/should go 802.11 G or B with a Pismo and Panther? You can if you want. But it doesn't sound like it would be all that valuable to you at this point in time. 2) What inexpensive router do you recommend? Do you get dizzy easily? You just jumped on one huge merry-go-round. :-) You'll hear all kinds of recommendations, including brands that some people like and other people hate. It's like anything else -- what do you ( possibly *will* you) want to do with your WiFi network? Do you need to use AppleTalk over it? Do you need a modem in the WAP (wireless access point or base station) for primary or fall back (emergency) use? Are you going to have anything hard wired via an Ethernet cable to the network? Is cost a factor in your decision? Do you want to share a USB printer? Etc, etc. 3) Would you get a PCMCIA card for the Pismo or an airport card? I don't currently use the PCMCIA slot for anything. There are pluses and minuses to both choices. I'm sure other list members will contribute their feelings about it. If you are diligent in your shopping, I don't think you will find that much difference between an Apple Airport card and a major brand PCMCIA card. Most of the people I have heard from say that the PCMCIA card usually has better range than a built-in Airport card. But the PCMCIA card will stick out of your PC slot an inch or inch and a half, which makes it somewhat vulnerable to damage. However, it also means that you can put the card in various PBs if, and when, you so desire. 4) If I understand correctly I can't use airport extreme, just the original airport card in the Pismo, correct? I don't know if there are any differences in physical configuration or not. I tend to say there isn't, but I don't know for sure. I *do* know that you can use a IEEE802.11g PCMCIA card. Does that mean an 802.11 brouter? Thanks for your time. The 11g technology is backward compatible, so both a 11b card with a 11g WAP, and a 11g card with a 11b WAP will work, though both at the slower speed. All I want to do is light surfing and email - not heavy file transfers. Like I mentioned above, that doesn't seem to require higher speed or higher cost. However...you wouldn't be the first to expand your horizons far beyond your current expectations, as you really get into it. So, if money is not a major factor, you may want to get the best that you can. That way, if your horizons *do* expand, you won't be limited by equipment that is feature limited. One last comment. I'm going to let others recommend specific brands and models, but my own personal feeling is that if you can come within $30-$40 when comparing an Apple Base Station and a 3rd party model, I would go for the ABS. If it's more like $100 - $200, then you need to choose the the one that fits your needs and pocketbook the best. One quick example of why I prefer Apple/same-as-Apple products whenever feasible... When a user takes his or her PB out and roams looking for open/useable WiFi networks, that's called war driving or drive-by rooting. The program(s) the seem to be the most popular in revealing these open networks -- or Hot Spots -- is MacStumbler for OS X http://www.macstumbler.com/ and ClassicStumbler for OS 8.6/9 http://homepage.mac.com/alk/classicstumbler/. However, MacStumbler doesn't currently support any kind of PCMCIA or 3rd-party cards, and ClassicStumbler only works with an internal Apple AirPort card or a Lucent/Orinoco/Avaya/Agere/Proxim WaveLAN PC card. That's just one small example. There are many others. Well, I see I have gone on too long. I hope some of this info is helpful to you. Good Luck, Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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My proof reading sucks. The following should say: My wired router just died, and since I've got to replace it, I figure it's a good time to go wireless. Just a couple of quick questions, if you please. 1) Can I/should go 802.11 G or B with a Pismo and Panther? You can go with 802.11g if you want. But it doesn't sound like it would be all that valuable to you at this point in time. Sorry for the omission, Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: another wireless question
On 16/06/04 13:14, Frank P. Eigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip!] 3) Would you get a PCMCIA card for the Pismo or an airport card? I don't currently use the PCMCIA slot for anything. I forget - are there 2 slots on the Pismo? If so, the PCMIA route is usually cheaper (and can be found as pasrt of the package deal I mentioned above). I have a TiBk - 1 slot - so I just went with the airport card. Good thing as I've since bought a digital camera and use the slot with adapter to transfer images. Plan for the future :-) There is only one PCMCIA slot in a Pismo, so I would definitely go with the regular AirPort card (802.11b) unless you need 802.11g, which in this case will force you to get a PCMCIA card. The most annoying thing with the PCMCIA card is the end of the card that houses the antenna. Just one more thing you have to be careful about to not hit or you could damage the card or your Pismo PCMCIA card cage. Definitely the AirPort card. 4) If I understand correctly I can't use airport extreme, just the original airport card in the Pismo, correct? Does that mean an 802.11 b router? Thanks for your time. I believe you're correct. The b issue I addressed above. G is backwards compatible with B. Consider the future :-) You could maybe use a PCMCIA card for Extreme (802.11g) access, if such card exists and if there are drivers for it. Again, unless my Pismo would be part of a network with the only way to connect being 802.11g, I would never get an external PCMCIA card for wireless access... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: another wireless question
Problem is, if you put an airport card in your pismo, you'll be getting a B series card. G series Apple base stations are way pricey ($150 or so), and the B airports are around 1/2 that at worst... My $.02---get a B unit, then in a couple years go and get a G.. only spend the money when you actually NEED it.. Tom In a message dated 6/16/04 1:14:50 PM, you wrote: I just went through something similar... On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Tom Wolfe wrote: I'm sorry if this has been discussed ad infitinum, but I have a wireless question... My wired router just died, and since I've got to replace it, I figure it's a good time to go wireless. Just a couple of quick questions, if you please. 1) Can I/should go 802.11 G or B with a Pismo and Panther? 802.11g. B will phase out over time and you'll not be able to use G ability in any new products you acquire. The Pismo is limited to B IIRC. 2) What inexpensive router do you recommend? There are deals to be had all over the place. I paid $150Cdn for my Belkin a while back, but they've dropped to about half in some areas since then. If G isn't an issue I've seen some B routers almost being given away in package deals. 3) Would you get a PCMCIA card for the Pismo or an airport card? I don't currently use the PCMCIA slot for anything. I forget - are there 2 slots on the Pismo? If so, the PCMIA route is usually cheaper (and can be found as pasrt of the package deal I mentioned above). I have a TiBk - 1 slot - so I just went with the airport card. Good thing as I've since bought a digital camera and use the slot with adapter to transfer images. Plan for the future :-) 4) If I understand correctly I can't use airport extreme, just the original airport card in the Pismo, correct? Does that mean an 802.11 b router? Thanks for your time. I believe you're correct. The b issue I addressed above. G is backwards compatible with B. Consider the future :-) All I want to do is light surfing and email - not heavy file transfers. Ahh.. should've have read this first. B is fine, then - faster than braodband internet speeds IIRC. The main benefit to you would be allowable distance from the router. FYI - I have a G router with B airport cards in a TiBk and G4 and a newly acquired HP 5850 802.11 out-of-the box (!) printer. I really enjoy it, though file transfers take time. Can you say Firewire Target Mode! HTH. -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- --- Headers Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from rly-yi05.mx.aol.com (rly-yi05.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.133]) by air-yi03.mail.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINYI32-7d040d07ffc3d0; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:14:50 -0400 Received: from mail.maclaunch.com (mail.maclaunch.com [157.238.133.140]) by rly-yi05.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.3) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYI54-7d040d07ffc3d0; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:14:36 -0400 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-ID: G-Books.mail.maclaunch.com List-Archive: http://mail.maclaunch.com:8100/Lists/G-Books/List.html Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank P. Eigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: another wireless question In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Original-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-AOL-IP: 157.238.133.140 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:XXX:XX X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail
Re: another wireless question
Tom Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sorry if this has been discussed ad infitinum, but I have a wireless question... My wired router just died, and since I've got to replace it, I figure it's a good time to go wireless. Just a couple of quick questions, if you please. 1) Can I/should go 802.11 G or B with a Pismo and Panther? For a Pismo, I'd probably go with 'b'. You'll see no advantage with 'g' unless you go with a PCMCIA card, which is more expensive and less convenient. 2) What inexpensive router do you recommend? No specific recommendations, but if money's tight that's another good reason to go with 'b'. I wouldn't worry too much about 'b' being obsolete, as 'g' will be obsolete soon as well. :) 3) Would you get a PCMCIA card for the Pismo or an airport card? I don't currently use the PCMCIA slot for anything. AirPort card. Even if you get a 'g' router I'd still go with an AirPort card unless you really need the bandwidth. 4) If I understand correctly I can't use airport extreme, just the original airport card in the Pismo, correct? Does that mean an 802.11 b router? Thanks for your time. You can use an AirPort extreme router or most any other 'g' router, but you'll just get 'b' speeds. All I want to do is light surfing and email - not heavy file transfers. Another reason to go 'b'. There's no way your light surfing and email will saturate even 'b' bandwidth unless you have a really, really, really, REALLY fast internet connection. -Jeff[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You can't brew a premium lager with a kool-aid mentality. --Harold Green in _The_Red_Green_Show_ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: another wireless question
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:22:54 -0500 (CDT), Jeff Drummond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: No specific recommendations, but if money's tight that's another good reason to go with 'b'. I wouldn't worry too much about 'b' being obsolete, as 'g' will be obsolete soon as well. :) Good point. Thanks Jeff, Laurent, Frank Bob - I think I'll go with the airport card and an inexpensive B router. Now that you've got me started, on to Google to research wireless routers. Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
another wireless question
I'm sorry if this has been discussed ad infitinum, but I have a wireless question... My wired router just died, and since I've got to replace it, I figure it's a good time to go wireless. Just a couple of quick questions, if you please. 1) Can I/should go 802.11 G or B with a Pismo and Panther? 2) What inexpensive router do you recommend? 3) Would you get a PCMCIA card for the Pismo or an airport card? I don't currently use the PCMCIA slot for anything. 4) If I understand correctly I can't use airport extreme, just the original airport card in the Pismo, correct? Does that mean an 802.11 b router? Thanks for your time. All I want to do is light surfing and email - not heavy file transfers. Thanks for your time. Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
