Re: Panther on Lombard 400

2005-12-10 Thread Caleb Cupples


On Saturday, Dec 10, 2005, at 00:46 America/Chicago, Laurent Daudelin 
wrote:


That's because Apple puts some kind of protection on the CD and DVDs 
that

they provide with a new Mac. Said CD or DVD will only boot the specific
model you purchased. You need to buy the full retail release which 
doesn't

have this limitation.



Thanks for telling me. I didn't know about that 'feature' but I don't 
feel as stupid as I was.
I'll look into finding a retail version, but I'm not sure where I'll 
get one, considering that I'm in a town where Mac users are 
'second-class' citizens, and the Windoze geeks go blank when I talk 
about how reliable my PowerBooks are compared to my XP desktop machine.


Thanks,
Caleb


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Panther on Lombard 400

2005-12-09 Thread Caleb Cupples

Hi,

I've got an OS X Panther install disc that came with a Mac mini, and I 
can't get my Lombard to boot from the DVD. It says install disc, but 
the Lombard won't even mount it. If this will help, the Lombard is 
currently running OS X Jaguar with 192 MB of RAM, the 6 GB Hard Drive 
and it's got the LG DVD-ROM drive.


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Re: Panther on Lombard 400

2005-12-09 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 09/12/05 18:41, Caleb Cupples at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I've got an OS X Panther install disc that came with a Mac mini, and I
 can't get my Lombard to boot from the DVD. It says install disc, but
 the Lombard won't even mount it. If this will help, the Lombard is
 currently running OS X Jaguar with 192 MB of RAM, the 6 GB Hard Drive
 and it's got the LG DVD-ROM drive.

That's because Apple puts some kind of protection on the CD and DVDs that
they provide with a new Mac. Said CD or DVD will only boot the specific
model you purchased. You need to buy the full retail release which doesn't
have this limitation.

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Re: Panther on Lombard

2004-04-17 Thread Eugene Lee
On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 05:34:27AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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: on 4/16/04 12:05 AM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: 
:  I have a 333 lombard - I wiped the drive - its empty and now trying
:  to install Panther. Every time it gets to the installation screen it
:  freezes. I have 192 meg memory and it says it needs only 128.
: 
: On lombard, requires partitioned drive with x on first part less than
: 8 gigs large

Wrong machine.  Wallstreet, yes, you must partition.

Lombard, no, you can use any size partition (or the entire hard drive).



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Re: Panther on Lombard

2004-04-17 Thread Anthony Perez
If you have a 6G drive installed with 9.2.2 on it, will OSX ask you
to partition it first, or will it do it on the fly during install??

[...]
: On lombard, requires partitioned drive with x on first part less than
: 8 gigs large

Wrong machine.  Wallstreet, yes, you must partition.

Lombard, no, you can use any size partition (or the entire hard drive).



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Panther on Lombard

2004-04-16 Thread illovox
on 4/16/04 12:05 AM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a 333 lombard - I wiped the drive - its empty and now trying to=20
 install Panther.=A0 Every time it gets to the installation screen it freezes=
 .=A0 I have=20
 192 meg memory and it says it needs only 128.=A0 Any suggestions,
 Thanks in advance,
 Linda


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Re: Panther on Lombard

2004-04-16 Thread michael Vogt
No I don't think so I just wiped my drive and did the panther install 
fine . then latter I put os 9.1  to so I could boot into it to use 
Apple DVD player
Michael  Sharon  Vogt 

On Apr 16, 2004, at 6:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

on 4/16/04 12:05 AM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a 333 lombard - I wiped the drive - its empty and now trying 
to=20
install Panther.=A0 Every time it gets to the installation screen it 
freezes=
.=A0 I have=20
192 meg memory and it says it needs only 128.=A0 Any suggestions,
Thanks in advance,
Linda


On lombard, requires partitioned drive with x on first part less than 
8 gigs
large




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Re: Panther on Lombard

2004-04-16 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 16/04/04 08:39, michael Vogt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No I don't think so I just wiped my drive and did the panther install
 fine . then latter I put os 9.1  to so I could boot into it to use
 Apple DVD player
 Michael  Sharon  Vogt 
 
 On Apr 16, 2004, at 6:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 on 4/16/04 12:05 AM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have a 333 lombard - I wiped the drive - its empty and now trying
 to=20
 install Panther.=A0 Every time it gets to the installation screen it
 freezes=
 .=A0 I have=20
 192 meg memory and it says it needs only 128.=A0 Any suggestions,
 Thanks in advance,
 Linda
 
 
 On lombard, requires partitioned drive with x on first part less than
 8 gigs
 large

I think the 8GB limitation was for the Wallstreet.

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Re: Panther on Lombard

2004-04-16 Thread Jeff Hubatka
On Apr 16, 2004, at 6:58 PM, G-Books wrote:

On lombard, requires partitioned drive with x on first part less than 
8 gigs
large

Not on the Lombard, only on the Wallstreet and Beige G3.

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panther on Lombard

2004-03-02 Thread michael Vogt
Will guys I got it on there
and is working great I knew it would but I was running 9.2 because I 
wanted to watch DVDs on the G3 . I was taking to a person the other day 
and they had the same Power book and they said VLC will work to watch 
DVDs and you don't have to have the Apples DVD player we all know that 
it will not see our DVD player . VLC did work I tried it with a Star 
Wars DVD it was ok a  little Jerky but it was ok . I thought I would 
let you know about this

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panther on Lombard

2004-03-01 Thread michael Vogt
If I remember right some one said that you might have to pull some ram 
to install Panther is this right
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Re: panther on Lombard

2004-03-01 Thread rgeaston
On Mar 1, 2004, at 6:44 PM, michael Vogt wrote:

If I remember right some one said that you might have to pull some ram 
to install Panther is this right
Michael  Sharon  Vogt 
Possibly. i had problem installing (it wouldn't install at all) and 
running (random crashes) Panther with 512MB installed, pulled the 256 
out of the top slot and put in a 128 and the problems all went away.

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Re: panther on Lombard

2004-03-01 Thread michael Vogt
I never been in my powerbook do you take the Torx screws on the bottom 
to get to the Memory
On Mar 1, 2004, at 4:54 PM, rgeaston wrote:

On Mar 1, 2004, at 6:44 PM, michael Vogt wrote:

If I remember right some one said that you might have to pull some 
ram to install Panther is this right
Michael  Sharon  Vogt 
Possibly. i had problem installing (it wouldn't install at all) and 
running (random crashes) Panther with 512MB installed, pulled the 256 
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Re: panther on Lombard

2004-03-01 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 01/03/04 18:56, michael Vogt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I never been in my powerbook do you take the Torx screws on the bottom
 to get to the Memory

No! No need to do that. You should first try to find a web site that shows
pictures on how to replace memory in a Lombard (or a Wallstreet or a Pismo
since they are very similar).

Basically, you pop open the keyboard, remove the magnetic shield and
carefully extract the processor daughtercard if you need to replace the
lower slot memory module, which is underneath the processor daughtercard. If
you only want to replace the upper memory module, then there is no need to
remove the daughtercard as, when you remove the shield, the memory module
will be right there, next to the processor.

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Jaguar or Panther on Lombard?

2004-01-16 Thread w miller
I tried to find the answer in the archives but didn't see an appropriate
thread.
Which OSX should I settle on for my Lombard 400/384 RAM? 10.1 (which I
have but have not installed)? Jaguar? Panther?
I really don't want to buy new application software. I most frequently
use Microsoft 98 Office, Photoshop 7, Filemaker 5, Now Up to Date and
Contact, SoundEdit, Toast, etc. Will they work as well in Classic?

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Re: Jaguar or Panther on Lombard?

2004-01-16 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 16/01/04 20:21, w miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I tried to find the answer in the archives but didn't see an appropriate
 thread.
   Which OSX should I settle on for my Lombard 400/384 RAM? 10.1 (which I
 have but have not installed)? Jaguar? Panther?
   I really don't want to buy new application software. I most frequently
 use Microsoft 98 Office, Photoshop 7, Filemaker 5, Now Up to Date and
 Contact, SoundEdit, Toast, etc. Will they work as well in Classic?
 
 Willi

You would benefit more from Panther than Jaguar, as it feels generally
faster on slower CPUs. I would imagine that most of these applications would
work under Classic, but I haven't tested them. One possible problem, though,
could be with Toast as it might not have a cleared access to the hardware
under Classic. Depending on the version you have, you might be able to
download an updater that will make it native under OS X. Same with PhotoShop
7. PhotoShop 7 can run natively under OS X, so if you already have that
version for OS 9, you might be able to find an updater on the Adobe web site
that will make your OS 9 version an OS X version.

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Re: Jaguar or Panther on Lombard?

2004-01-16 Thread Adam Thayer
They will work better in Classic, and I would go with MacOS X 10.3, 
personally. You have to purchase one of them, and it might as well be 
the newest. 10.3 runs very well on my Lombard 333, with Photoshop 7 
running well natively. I used Office 98 a few times, and it feels 
almost as snappy as under 9, but not quite. Still, the Classic 
compatibility is much better in 10.2 and 10.3 than it is in 10.1

On Friday, January 16, 2004, at 05:21 PM, w miller wrote:

I tried to find the answer in the archives but didn't see an 
appropriate
thread.
Which OSX should I settle on for my Lombard 400/384 RAM? 10.1 
(which I
have but have not installed)? Jaguar? Panther?
I really don't want to buy new application software. I most 
frequently
use Microsoft 98 Office, Photoshop 7, Filemaker 5, Now Up to Date and
Contact, SoundEdit, Toast, etc. Will they work as well in Classic?

Willi
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Re: Panther on Lombard install problem

2004-01-06 Thread Eric Morrison
Folks:

Don't know if this will resolve your problem but it may be worth a try.

boot up into open firmeware (Apple-Option-O-F)
at the prompt type reset-nvram (without the quotes) then hit return
type set-defaults then return
type reset-all then return
the machine should now reboot (if it doesn't type mac-boot and hit 
return)

This is a fix I picked up somewhere a while ago that does seem to fix 
odd problems from time to time. It came from an Apple tech (at least 
that is what I was told) and I'm not completely sure what it does 
although I believe it is somewhat akin to resetting parameter ram (may 
be the same thing in fact) or it may be that and then some. Anyhow, as 
I said, it does fix some odd problems from time to time and it has 
never caused me any trouble.

... e

On Dec 30, 2003, at 8:51 PM, Richard Smykla wrote:

Robert,

I had the exact same problem during the install. The only way I could 
find to complete the install was to remove the RAM from the upper 
slot. No amount of PRAM zapping, video driver deletion, permissions 
repairing, or even reformatting the destination drive would change the 
'color-meltdown' abortive install process. Removing the top-slot RAM 
worked. BTW, running an exhaustive RAM check utility from OS 9 finds 
NO problem with the memory module, and I never saw a similar problem 
in any version of OS X from 10.1 up to 10.2.6.

The good news is you can reinstall the RAM module once you've got a 
working Panther OS. Everything works as it should, with one major 
exception: trying to repair permissions using Disk Utility. Since 
installing Panther on this machine, any attempt to repair permissions 
from the boot disk will cause the color-meltdown every time. The only 
other time I've gotten the meltdown event is during a large ( 200MB) 
network copy from the Lombard to my G4. Smaller copies seem OK. I'm 
not sure what the problem is, but it seems the video RAM gets 
corrupted during these operations, and locks the system up tight (no 
cursor movement or response to keyboard) - the three-finger salute is 
the only thing that will get you out of this condition.

It seems clear (to me at least) that this is a (OS) software 
problem/conflict. Hope someone eventually figures this out, or Apple 
supplies a fix. Being as it only happens when more than the supported 
amount of RAM (256MB) is installed, I doubt Apple is too concerned 
with this. This problem only began happening with the 10.2.8 version 
of the OS, and has persisted through the 10.3.2 revision. Feel free to 
post any ideas or suggestions you may discover about this; I've 
scoured the 'net, and have yet to find a solution. Good luck. . .

Rick


I have a lombard with 512 RAM and 40GB HD. currently running the 
latest version of 10.2.   When i try to install Panther it gets most 
of the way through the install and then the screen goes funky as if 
both the vertical and horizontal hold both go at the same time. i 
tried an archive and install, completely wiping the HD with norton 
and installing nothing but Panther, but it refuses to install. i got 
the same problem with the ill fated 10.2.something upgrade that i was 
dumb enough to install right when it was new.

Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated


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Panther on Lombard install problem

2003-12-30 Thread rgeaston
I have a lombard with 512 RAM and 40GB HD. currently running the latest 
version of 10.2.   When i try to install Panther it gets most of the 
way through the install and then the screen goes funky as if both the 
vertical and horizontal hold both go at the same time. i tried an 
archive and install, completely wiping the HD with norton and 
installing nothing but Panther, but it refuses to install. i got the 
same problem with the ill fated 10.2.something upgrade that i was dumb 
enough to install right when it was new.

Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Panther on Lombard install problem

2003-12-30 Thread Richard Smykla
Robert,

I had the exact same problem during the install. The only way I could 
find to complete the install was to remove the RAM from the upper 
slot. No amount of PRAM zapping, video driver deletion, permissions 
repairing, or even reformatting the destination drive would change 
the 'color-meltdown' abortive install process. Removing the top-slot 
RAM worked. BTW, running an exhaustive RAM check utility from OS 9 
finds NO problem with the memory module, and I never saw a similar 
problem in any version of OS X from 10.1 up to 10.2.6.

The good news is you can reinstall the RAM module once you've got a 
working Panther OS. Everything works as it should, with one major 
exception: trying to repair permissions using Disk Utility. Since 
installing Panther on this machine, any attempt to repair permissions 
from the boot disk will cause the color-meltdown every time. The only 
other time I've gotten the meltdown event is during a large ( 200MB) 
network copy from the Lombard to my G4. Smaller copies seem OK. I'm 
not sure what the problem is, but it seems the video RAM gets 
corrupted during these operations, and locks the system up tight (no 
cursor movement or response to keyboard) - the three-finger salute is 
the only thing that will get you out of this condition.

It seems clear (to me at least) that this is a (OS) software 
problem/conflict. Hope someone eventually figures this out, or Apple 
supplies a fix. Being as it only happens when more than the supported 
amount of RAM (256MB) is installed, I doubt Apple is too concerned 
with this. This problem only began happening with the 10.2.8 version 
of the OS, and has persisted through the 10.3.2 revision. Feel free 
to post any ideas or suggestions you may discover about this; I've 
scoured the 'net, and have yet to find a solution. Good luck. . .

Rick


I have a lombard with 512 RAM and 40GB HD. currently running the 
latest version of 10.2.   When i try to install Panther it gets most 
of the way through the install and then the screen goes funky as 
if both the vertical and horizontal hold both go at the same time. i 
tried an archive and install, completely wiping the HD with norton 
and installing nothing but Panther, but it refuses to install. i got 
the same problem with the ill fated 10.2.something upgrade that i 
was dumb enough to install right when it was new.

Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated


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