Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

[Steve Fuller]

On Jun 21, 2004, at 9:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did I mention I hate top posting? Anyway, my compact flash card reader 
takes
up almost no space in my camera bag and I've never sat around thinking,
"Jeeze, it takes too long to move 64MB of pictures from my compact 
flash
card to the computer. I think I need to buy an expensive PC card flash
memory reader that I can only use on my notebook computer instead of 
using
most of those PCMCIA to CF adapters can be found for less than $15. 
Hardly what I'd call expensive.

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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Did I mention I hate top posting? Anyway, my compact flash card reader takes
up almost no space in my camera bag and I've never sat around thinking,
"Jeeze, it takes too long to move 64MB of pictures from my compact flash
card to the computer. I think I need to buy an expensive PC card flash
memory reader that I can only use on my notebook computer instead of using
this small USB reader I got free with the memory card and can use on any
computer I might come across." But hey, if I ever have too much to drink and
think that, I'll be able to use it with my 15" PowerBook.

> If you are traveling light, a PCMCIA compact flash card reader takes up no
> space and works far faster that USB.
> 
> Tom
>>> 
>> Of course there are many uses for PC cards but does the average user really
>> need them today? Looking around campus (instructors, students, and
>> university owned) the biggest use I *now* see is adding current technologies
>> to older notebooks...firewire cards, for example.
>> 
>> The point I was making is that once upon a time having a PC card slot was
>> essential because notebooks lacked so many features. I well remember
>> spending big bucks to get a modem/network dual card so the Toshiba the
>> university expected me to use would actually be useful for more than keeping
>> a bit of my desk dust-free. But for typical usage I don't see the
>> overwhelming need today.
>> 
>> david
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 




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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

[Thomas Ethen]

If you are traveling light, a PCMCIA compact flash card reader takes up no
space and works far faster that USB.

Tom
>> 
> Of course there are many uses for PC cards but does the average user really
> need them today? Looking around campus (instructors, students, and
> university owned) the biggest use I *now* see is adding current technologies
> to older notebooks...firewire cards, for example.
> 
> The point I was making is that once upon a time having a PC card slot was
> essential because notebooks lacked so many features. I well remember
> spending big bucks to get a modem/network dual card so the Toshiba the
> university expected me to use would actually be useful for more than keeping
> a bit of my desk dust-free. But for typical usage I don't see the
> overwhelming need today.
> 
> david
> 
> 
> 


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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

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On 6/21/04 3:46 PM, "Mikael Byström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> 
>> The last PC card I used on a Mac was for networking when I owned a 1400cs.
> 
> but there are more uses for PCMCIA or Cardbus. 24bit / 96 Khz audio being one.
> 
Of course there are many uses for PC cards but does the average user really
need them today? Looking around campus (instructors, students, and
university owned) the biggest use I *now* see is adding current technologies
to older notebooks...firewire cards, for example.

The point I was making is that once upon a time having a PC card slot was
essential because notebooks lacked so many features. I well remember
spending big bucks to get a modem/network dual card so the Toshiba the
university expected me to use would actually be useful for more than keeping
a bit of my desk dust-free. But for typical usage I don't see the
overwhelming need today.

david




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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

[Mikael Byström]

[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

> The last PC card I used on a Mac was for networking when I owned a 1400cs.

but there are more uses for PCMCIA or Cardbus. 24bit / 96 Khz audio being one.


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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 19, 2004, at 4:47 PM, Andrew in Ann Arbor wrote:
>You may be veryfond of PC card slots but since Mac notebooks
>are full featured we find we don't need them.
I don't consider a portable without a card slot to be "full featured".
For that matter I don't consider a desktop computer without PCMCIA to 
be "full featured" either. But that's my problem.
Mostly I use the cards to transfer megabytes between the MACs and the 
PCs. Perhaps someone has a better way to do this?
Yes:  Get the Cruzer 
Mini. 256 megs of storage space for $50 (regular price at Costco, sale 
price most everywhere else.). I use them daily to transfer data between 
Macs and PC's. Win98 needs drivers but they're plug-n-play on Mac OS 
8.6 + and Windows 2K+

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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

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On 6/19/04 7:47 PM, "Andrew in Ann Arbor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> All modern computers have a MAC.
> 
> Not sure what this means?
> 
MAC refers to Media Access Control address which basically is the node
address of workstation on the network. PC folken tend to write MAC rather
than Mac and being rather obnoxious, I like to point out their mistake.
> 
>> You may be veryfond of PC card slots but since Mac notebooks
>> are full featured we find we don't need them.
> 
> I don't consider a portable without a card slot to be "full featured".
> For that matter I don't consider a desktop computer without PCMCIA to be
> "full featured" either. But that's my problem.
> Mostly I use the cards to transfer megabytes between the MACs and the
> PCs. Perhaps someone has a better way to do this?
> I don't think you could use a USB/Firewire drive since the FAT systems
> are different. Memory keys are an option but seem to cost more per MB
> and don't fit in my pocket as well. You could burn a CD but that costs
> money and adds more polycarbonate (?) to the biosphere.
> Could a firewire mode PB in target mode be mounted as an external drive
> on a M$ system? Somehow I don't want to think about that option.
> 
Since my machines all have fast network cards I transfer data via sharing.
OS X makes that very simple PC<->Mac and before the days of OS X I used a
third party program. The last PC card I used on a Mac was for networking
when I owned a 1400cs.
> 
> 
>> If she isn't sure and she's been using a Mac for some years, she
>> probably is still using 8 or 9. For the last year or so most new Macs
>> haven't been OS 9 bootable, but most of the G3 dual USB iBooks (the
>> white ones) have booted into OS 9.
> 
>> Owners of the clamshell iBooks also tend to be quite happy with their
>> machines.
> 
> I'll look at these, are they listed as "Clamshell" or is it "G3 iBook
> USB alpha"?  I have a hard enough time remembering whether my Mom has a
> WS I or II and never paid much attention to the iBook name conventions.
> 
G3 iBook (single USB) and the clamshell refers to the colorful case.
> 
>> As to venders...Smalldog gets a big thumbs up from me.
> 
> I'll certainly check them out (I think they sponsor some mailing lists).
> 
david




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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

[Andrew in Ann Arbor]

> So, I'm guessing you use WINDOWS? Most of us on this list use Macs.
AHH! Busted!
I must confess that I have a few PC's (Thinkpad 560x (solid state), D**L 
desktop, HP200Lx Dos 5.0 Palmtop)  in addition to the Apple machines 
(Lombard 400, several 5** blackbirds (one with the expansion bay PC card 
reader) and a Plus( actually a 512 hopped up with the "fat MAC" upgrade 
and 4Mb RAM).
I've been using the 560 lately because my daughter has pretty much taken 
over the Lombard which suits me fine since I don't have to worry about 
must virri out there.
It's also nice using the 560 since it's totally silent (no hard drive).

>All modern computers have a MAC.
Not sure what this means?
>You may be veryfond of PC card slots but since Mac notebooks
>are full featured we find we don't need them.
I don't consider a portable without a card slot to be "full featured".
For that matter I don't consider a desktop computer without PCMCIA to be 
"full featured" either. But that's my problem.
Mostly I use the cards to transfer megabytes between the MACs and the 
PCs. Perhaps someone has a better way to do this?
I don't think you could use a USB/Firewire drive since the FAT systems 
are different. Memory keys are an option but seem to cost more per MB 
and don't fit in my pocket as well. You could burn a CD but that costs 
money and adds more polycarbonate (?) to the biosphere.
Could a firewire mode PB in target mode be mounted as an external drive 
on a M$ system? Somehow I don't want to think about that option.


>If she isn't sure and she's been using a Mac for some years, she 
>probably is still using 8 or 9. For the last year or so most new Macs 
>haven't been OS 9 bootable, but most of the G3 dual USB iBooks (the 
>white ones) have booted into OS 9.

I think my dear sister could be using Panther and might not be aware of 
which OS she was using. The classic individual "user" who just wants the 
thing to work.
I'm inclined to limit my search to computers which can run OS 9 or OS X.
I'll start her out in OS 9 (since I have it and am familiar with it) but 
I want something that could handle X in the future.

>Owners of the clamshell iBooks also tend to be quite happy with their 
>machines.

I'll look at these, are they listed as "Clamshell" or is it "G3 iBook 
USB alpha"?  I have a hard enough time remembering whether my Mom has a 
WS I or II and never paid much attention to the iBook name conventions.

>As to venders...Smalldog gets a big thumbs up from me.
I'll certainly check them out (I think they sponsor some mailing lists).
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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

[MTH]

If a PC slot is mandatory and wifi isn't a priority I suggest a 
Titanium Powerbook. The Ti powerbook will boot into OS 9 and should 
provide enough power for most jobs.


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640MB Ram
OS 10.2.8
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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

[William Wiseman]

I've been commissioned to find a MAC powerbook or ibook for my sister.
She's an artist and needs a little more power than the 520 powerbook 
for  word processing,  spread sheets, photo editing and e-mail/web 
browsing.
I had been thinking an ibook might provide more horsepower per doller.
She's not inclined to poke around inside so i figured that if I got a 
decent ibook she wouldn't need to upgrade it.
However a little looking around Low End Mac suggests that most (all?) 
ibooks come without  PC card slots which I am very fond of.
So I'm back to considering an older powerbook.
I'd like to be able  boot to OS 9,  I think that's what's on her 
computers at work (she's not sure).
CD drive is required, CD burner would be nice but could be external.
Floppy drive would be nice, could be external.
Battery life is not a huge issue, this will be used as a desktop 
computer most of the time.
She has a dial up ISP so built in ethernet or wireless is not 
particularly useful.
Reliability is probably more important than performance, she's in 
Santa Barbara CA and I'm in Michigan so I can't easily pop over and 
swap out parts.
Any  thoughts?  Recomended vendors?

Thanks
Andrew in Ann Arbor
If Classic mode would work instead of booting into OS 9, try  one of 
the G4 iBooks. Apple has refurb units, with full warranty, for $779 
(12/800) and $889 (14/933). I have had very good luck with the Apple 
Store refurb units over the years.  I just bought one of the 12" 800 
units and you would never have known it wasn't new. Then I added an 
additional 512MB RAM and I should be set for a few more years.

JeffW.
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Re: powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

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On 6/18/04 10:19 PM, "Andrew King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello list
> I've been commissioned to find a MAC powerbook or ibook for my sister.

So, I'm guessing you use WINDOWS? Most of us on this list use Macs. All
modern computers have a MAC.

> She's an artist and needs a little more power than the 520 powerbook
> for  word processing,  spread sheets, photo editing and e-mail/web browsing.
> I had been thinking an ibook might provide more horsepower per doller.
> She's not inclined to poke around inside so i figured that if I got a
> decent ibook she wouldn't need to upgrade it.
> However a little looking around Low End Mac suggests that most (all?)
> ibooks come without  PC card slots which I am very fond of.

You may be right that an iBook would suit her quite well. You may be very
fond of PC card slots but since Mac notebooks are full featured we find we
don't need them. PowerBook or iBook the computer will have USB, NIC, modem
and be able to have an airport card installed. Except for the original iBook
they'll also have firewire and video out. That pretty much obviates the need
for a PC card.

> So I'm back to considering an older powerbook.

There are lots of happy Pismo and Wallstreet owners so that is a possible
computer...but so is an iBook.

> I'd like to be able  boot to OS 9,  I think that's what's on her
> computers at work (she's not sure).

If she isn't sure and she's been using a Mac for some years, she probably is
still using 8 or 9. For the last year or so most new Macs haven't been OS 9
bootable, but most of the G3 dual USB iBooks (the white ones) have booted
into OS 9.

>  CD drive is required, CD burner would be nice but could be external.
> Floppy drive would be nice, could be external.

CD drive isn't an issue...all G3 and G4 model notebooks have a built in CD
drive and I wouldn't advise buying anything older if you are looking to
replace a 520 with something more powerful.

> Battery life is not a huge issue, this will be used as a desktop
> computer most of the time.
> She has a dial up ISP so built in ethernet or wireless is not
> particularly useful.
> Reliability is probably more important than performance, she's in Santa
> Barbara CA and I'm in Michigan so I can't easily pop over and swap out
> parts.
> Any  thoughts?  Recomended vendors?

There are risks to buying an older computer and that risk is compounded with
a notebook mostly because repairs are vastly more expensive. I know lots of
Pismo and Wallstreet owners who are very happy...some are using these older
machines without ever having any problems while others have replaced
numerous parts. Owners of the clamshell iBooks also tend to be quite happy
with their machines. This is evidenced by the premium prices these machines
still command.

As to venders...Smalldog gets a big thumbs up from me.

david




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powerbook/ibook reccomendation?

[Andrew King]

Hello list
I've been commissioned to find a MAC powerbook or ibook for my sister.
She's an artist and needs a little more power than the 520 powerbook 
for  word processing,  spread sheets, photo editing and e-mail/web browsing.
I had been thinking an ibook might provide more horsepower per doller.
She's not inclined to poke around inside so i figured that if I got a 
decent ibook she wouldn't need to upgrade it.
However a little looking around Low End Mac suggests that most (all?) 
ibooks come without  PC card slots which I am very fond of.
So I'm back to considering an older powerbook.
I'd like to be able  boot to OS 9,  I think that's what's on her 
computers at work (she's not sure).
CD drive is required, CD burner would be nice but could be external.
Floppy drive would be nice, could be external.
Battery life is not a huge issue, this will be used as a desktop 
computer most of the time.
She has a dial up ISP so built in ethernet or wireless is not 
particularly useful.
Reliability is probably more important than performance, she's in Santa 
Barbara CA and I'm in Michigan so I can't easily pop over and swap out 
parts.
Any  thoughts?  Recomended vendors?

Thanks
Andrew in Ann Arbor

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