Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?
I would love to go over to your house and break your Lombard and put you out of your Mac OS X misery... I will set you FREE! You would destroy a perfectly working Macintosh? Tsk tsk. :) Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/GUIdebook Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?
I travel frequently with my PowerBook and people asks me Hey, you should remove OS 8.6 because it's a dead OS. Then, I must explain the DVD issue. --- Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to go over to your house and break your Lombard and put you out of your Mac OS X misery... I will set you FREE! You would destroy a perfectly working Macintosh? Tsk tsk. :) Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/GUIdebook Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jul 19, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote: I would love to go over to your house and break your Lombard and put you out of your Mac OS X misery... I will set you FREE! You would destroy a perfectly working Macintosh? Tsk tsk. :) Only because he's suffering SO much. Hey - maybe we can do a rescue mission! Save the Lombard from the unworthy! ;-) Pismo OS X 10.3.4 Can't wait until Tiger is out! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?
I have Lombard also but I use Panther orf everything then when My kids want watch a DVD we just boot into 9.2.2 you don't need 8.6 and if not a move you want to watch you use VLC for X works fine for some stuff but all you is a basic version of mac OS 9.2.2 Michael Sharon Vogt On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Pauline Turtle-Bear Guillermo wrote: On Jul 19, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote: I would love to go over to your house and break your Lombard and put you out of your Mac OS X misery... I will set you FREE! You would destroy a perfectly working Macintosh? Tsk tsk. :) Only because he's suffering SO much. Hey - maybe we can do a rescue mission! Save the Lombard from the unworthy! ;-) Pismo OS X 10.3.4 Can't wait until Tiger is out! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?
On my Lombard, OS 8.6 works better than 9.0.4, 9.1.1, 9.1.2, 9.2.1 and 9.2.2 I'm very happy with 8.6 and the FREE Panther (Tiger will be soon installed from the same source). I made some changes on 8.6 with ResEdit and it looks a little different (replaced the Keyboard flags, the StartUp Screen the DVD icon, etc). I don't need 9.2, because it eats more space and adds nothing (I replaced the 6GB HD for a 60GB one). I prefer to burn discs with Toast (Multi session, CD-RW support and a few things that 9.2 don't have). That's why I keep OS 8.6 and for Classic, ResEdit can replace the version number of the System so OS X can use 8.6 as Classic without problems and FASTER. Really Thanks for your advice. --- michael Vogt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Lombard also but I use Panther orf everything then when My kids want watch a DVD we just boot into 9.2.2 you don't need 8.6 and if not a move you want to watch you use VLC for X works fine for some stuff but all you is a basic version of mac OS 9.2.2 Michael Sharon Vogt On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Pauline Turtle-Bear Guillermo wrote: On Jul 19, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote: I would love to go over to your house and break your Lombard and put you out of your Mac OS X misery... I will set you FREE! You would destroy a perfectly working Macintosh? Tsk tsk. :) Only because he's suffering SO much. Hey - maybe we can do a rescue mission! Save the Lombard from the unworthy! ;-) Pismo OS X 10.3.4 Can't wait until Tiger is out! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?
I think that Apple don't care too much about their customers. I have a Lombard PowerBook and I can't play DVDs on OS X because DVD Player app don't support hardware decoders. Apple suggest to boot on OS 9 (or OS 8.6) for DVD Playback. As I believe that is NOT a solution, I made the following: I installed Jaguar and Panther from copies. I'm not going to spend another cent on Apple's Incomplete Software (I believe X is). I will not pay again for Apple Software until this issue gets fixed. --- Zoltan Batiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Al Poulin wrote: Joshua Braddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and one more thing.. If I have OS X 10.3.4 Panther, will apple let me update to OS X 10.4.1 Tiger for free? Or will I have to buy that version? That will be a buy. Sorry. Apple will usually allow a free upgrade from one major version to another if you buy the computer a few months before the release of the new version. But Tiger is not hitting the streets until maybe next summer. I had to comment on this one. . .this reminded me of the one thing Apple has done over the years that truly is a slap to loyal Mac users. Anyone look in their box for X? Or 9 for that matter? See those upgrade coupons? Wonder what they are for? Basically nothing. . .it's things like this that make me shrug whenever Steve Jobs announces a new version of Mac OS, because I know that it's gonna take a small chunk out of my wallet. I strongly feel that Apple should have just waited at least until the new Windose OS comes out. . .ya' know, the one that's going to put PC users what we Mac users went through. Jumping from 9 to X wasn't easy. I didn't do it until the last release of Jaguar was introduced to the market. I my opinion, Apple should sit back on the software side, and focus on it's users, it's newest hardware ( the new cinema displays are enough of a distraction alone), and try to make sure everyone is happy with Jaguar and Panther BEFORE they even talk about Tiger. I watched the recording of Jobs in San Francisco. As far as I'm concerned, Tiger wasn't originally planned to even be mentioned until late next year. What was most likely planned was for Steve to introduce the new iMac G5 line. . which everyone knows Apple dropped the ball on. Of course, we Mac users know it wasn't Apple, but IBM for not being able to develop a better cooling system to work in the tight quarters within an iMac. But now I'm getting into a tangent aren't I? :) Z THE BLUETOOTH MASTER -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?
Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: the differentce between 10.1 and 10.2 is very much like the difference between 7.6 and 8.1, or Windows 3.11 and windows 95; a huge difference, like they were different OS'es, in fact. An exaggeration IMHO. 10.3 is a BIG improvement over 10.2. I agree. But 10.2 is totally usable. I really feel that previous owners of Mac OS X should receive a discount of at least 25% when they upgrade. If for nothing else to move people up to the current version faster. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jul 18, 2004, at 4:03 AM, Alejandro wrote: As I believe that is NOT a solution, I made the following: I installed Jaguar and Panther from copies. I'm not going to spend another cent on Apple's Incomplete Software (I believe X is). I will not pay again for Apple Software until this issue gets fixed. So let me get this straight you have one computer on which you can't play DVDs, so you felt it was OK to steal two copies of Apple's operating system? Your sense of entitlement is quite high, isn't it? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?
Just to be clear, you're waiting for a fix from Apple to allow their new OS to play DVDs on your 5 year old Powerbook? I wouldn't hold my breath on that one... On Jul 18, 2004, at 2:03 AM, Alejandro wrote: I think that Apple don't care too much about their customers. I have a Lombard PowerBook and I can't play DVDs on OS X because DVD Player app don't support hardware decoders. Apple suggest to boot on OS 9 (or OS 8.6) for DVD Playback. As I believe that is NOT a solution, I made the following: I installed Jaguar and Panther from copies. I'm not going to spend another cent on Apple's Incomplete Software (I believe X is). I will not pay again for Apple Software until this issue gets fixed. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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YES, because Apple says that OS X supports the PowerBook G3. They lie because they are interested on selling only. If they have the right to lie, I have the rigth to install Apple Software for free. Also, I have a similar problem with my Sony Spressa Plus Burner (USB Plus supported on OS 9 ONLY, thanks to Apple). The DVD Drive is an APPLE Drive and it came with the PowerBook. Wallstreet users have the same problem. Apple should support it and fix that issue. I will keep installing Apple Software from Copies and Apple will loose some money because of that. --- Timothy Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 18, 2004, at 4:03 AM, Alejandro wrote: As I believe that is NOT a solution, I made the following: I installed Jaguar and Panther from copies. I'm not going to spend another cent on Apple's Incomplete Software (I believe X is). I will not pay again for Apple Software until this issue gets fixed. So let me get this straight you have one computer on which you can't play DVDs, so you felt it was OK to steal two copies of Apple's operating system? Your sense of entitlement is quite high, isn't it? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Today, my laptop is 5 years old. On 2000 when OS X appeared, it was 1 year old and OS X DID NOT support the DVD Drive. And YES I'm waiting for a FIX to that issue. If no, I will install Apple Software for free on ALL my machines. I sent two letters saying this to APPLE (one to Customer Support) and nobody made a call to me. Maybe, they understand that I have some rights. Apple told me (6 years ago) that OS X will support every 300mhz or faster G3. Then I bought a Powerbook 400mhz (top of the line one) based on that. I will install Tiger for free too. If I find a DVD Player, I will buy the original one. --- Hal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be clear, you're waiting for a fix from Apple to allow their new OS to play DVDs on your 5 year old Powerbook? I wouldn't hold my breath on that one... On Jul 18, 2004, at 2:03 AM, Alejandro wrote: I think that Apple don't care too much about their customers. I have a Lombard PowerBook and I can't play DVDs on OS X because DVD Player app don't support hardware decoders. Apple suggest to boot on OS 9 (or OS 8.6) for DVD Playback. As I believe that is NOT a solution, I made the following: I installed Jaguar and Panther from copies. I'm not going to spend another cent on Apple's Incomplete Software (I believe X is). I will not pay again for Apple Software until this issue gets fixed. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jul 18, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Alejandro wrote: Today, my laptop is 5 years old. On 2000 when OS X appeared, it was 1 year old and OS X DID NOT support the DVD Drive. And YES I'm waiting for a FIX to that issue. If no, I will install Apple Software for free on ALL my machines. I sent two letters saying this to APPLE (one to Customer Support) and nobody made a call to me. Maybe, they understand that I have some rights. Apple told me (6 years ago) that OS X will support every 300mhz or faster G3. Then I bought a Powerbook 400mhz (top of the line one) based on that. I will install Tiger for free too. If I find a DVD Player, I will buy the original one. Why are you informing the list of this? Is this your 'fix' for your powerbook? My 9600 is 7 years old and runs OS Jag as well as a DVD drive just fine. -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st/pci-powermacs list nanny Grocery clerks make you pick paper or plastic because baggers can't be choosers. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jul 18, 2004, at 3:18 PM, Alejandro wrote: I will keep installing Apple Software from Copies and Apple will loose some money because of that. Exactly how many copies of OS X do you feel entitled to? You have one G3, right? How many copies does that entitle you before you're just an average thief? TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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I have two G3s at home. From Mac OS 8.1 to Mac OS 10.1 they have Original Software. From Jaguar, they have copies installed. Also, I have a few friends wich are installing copies to support me. Myabe I'm wrong, but Apple didn't answered me so maybe they understand that they made a mistake. I also sent a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (a year ago) and I told them why I'm installing free copies. No answer at all. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe not. --- Timothy Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 18, 2004, at 3:18 PM, Alejandro wrote: I will keep installing Apple Software from Copies and Apple will loose some money because of that. Exactly how many copies of OS X do you feel entitled to? You have one G3, right? How many copies does that entitle you before you're just an average thief? TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Well, maybe it's some kind of compensation. Apple will force me to keep OS 9 and they will give me Software for free. Anyway, I prefer to install Original Software. --- Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 18, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Alejandro wrote: Today, my laptop is 5 years old. On 2000 when OS X appeared, it was 1 year old and OS X DID NOT support the DVD Drive. And YES I'm waiting for a FIX to that issue. If no, I will install Apple Software for free on ALL my machines. I sent two letters saying this to APPLE (one to Customer Support) and nobody made a call to me. Maybe, they understand that I have some rights. Apple told me (6 years ago) that OS X will support every 300mhz or faster G3. Then I bought a Powerbook 400mhz (top of the line one) based on that. I will install Tiger for free too. If I find a DVD Player, I will buy the original one. Why are you informing the list of this? Is this your 'fix' for your powerbook? My 9600 is 7 years old and runs OS Jag as well as a DVD drive just fine. -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st/pci-powermacs list nanny Grocery clerks make you pick paper or plastic because baggers can't be choosers. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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I watched the recording of Jobs in San Francisco. As far as I'm concerned, Tiger wasn't originally planned to even be mentioned until late next year. What was most likely planned was for Steve to introduce the new iMac G5 line. . which everyone knows Apple dropped the ball on. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. So far Tiger does not look that exciting (YMMV), and that might be understandable if they had to rush it out of the door. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/GUIdebook Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 01:03:42AM -0700, Alejandro wrote: : : I think that Apple don't care too much about their customers. I have : a Lombard PowerBook and I can't play DVDs on OS X because DVD Player : app don't support hardware decoders. Apple suggest to boot on OS 9 : (or OS 8.6) for DVD Playback. As I believe that is NOT a solution, I : made the following: I installed Jaguar and Panther from copies. I'm : not going to spend another cent on Apple's Incomplete Software (I : believe X is). I will not pay again for Apple Software until this : issue gets fixed. The issue has already been fixed via a class-action lawsuit. IIRC, the terms of the agreement are for owners of retail packages of OS X (either the Public Beta or 10.0, I don't recall) to return the product and get a full refund or the equivalent credit at the Apple Store. -- Eugene Lee eugene at anime dot net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two G3s at home. From Mac OS 8.1 to Mac OS 10.1 they have Original Software. From Jaguar, they have copies installed. Also, I have a few friends wich are installing copies to support me. Myabe I'm wrong, but Apple didn't answered me so maybe they understand that they made a mistake. I also sent a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (a year ago) and I told them why I'm installing free copies. No answer at all. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe not. Yes, you are wrong!!! You are in violation of the terms of the license and so are your friends who make illegal copies for you. To install the OS, you agreed to the terms of the license. Here I quote parts of the hard copy Single Use License that came with Panther. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, DO NOT USE THE SOFTWARE. 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time. You may make one copy of the Apple Software (excluding the Boot ROM code) in machine-readable form for backup purposes only; provided that the backup copy must include all copyright or other proprietary notices contained on the original. 3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or sublicense the Apple Software. You may, however, make a one-time permanent transfer of all of your license rights to the Apple Software provided that Here summarizing: you transfer all of it, you do not retain any copies, and the recipient agrees to the license terms. You can make yourself legal on all your machines if you buy the Family Pack which provides a license for up to five Macs in a home. -- Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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You can make yourself legal on all your machines if you buy the Family Pack which provides a license for up to five Macs in a home. Once they fix the DVD issue, I will support OS X with my money. They sold me the Lombard PowerBook saying it will be fully supported By OS X I had the chance to wait and buy a Pismo (which dvd IS supported, also the Video Card), but I believed in Apple. Maybe, I'm a fool for trusting on Apple. Hope you will understand me. --- Al Poulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two G3s at home. From Mac OS 8.1 to Mac OS 10.1 they have Original Software. From Jaguar, they have copies installed. Also, I have a few friends wich are installing copies to support me. Myabe I'm wrong, but Apple didn't answered me so maybe they understand that they made a mistake. I also sent a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (a year ago) and I told them why I'm installing free copies. No answer at all. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe not. Yes, you are wrong!!! You are in violation of the terms of the license and so are your friends who make illegal copies for you. To install the OS, you agreed to the terms of the license. Here I quote parts of the hard copy Single Use License that came with Panther. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, DO NOT USE THE SOFTWARE. 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time. You may make one copy of the Apple Software (excluding the Boot ROM code) in machine-readable form for backup purposes only; provided that the backup copy must include all copyright or other proprietary notices contained on the original. 3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or sublicense the Apple Software. You may, however, make a one-time permanent transfer of all of your license rights to the Apple Software provided that Here summarizing: you transfer all of it, you do not retain any copies, and the recipient agrees to the license terms. You can make yourself legal on all your machines if you buy the Family Pack which provides a license for up to five Macs in a home. -- Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jul 18, 2004, at 8:19 PM, Alejandro wrote: You can make yourself legal on all your machines if you buy the Family Pack which provides a license for up to five Macs in a home. Once they fix the DVD issue, I will support OS X with my money. They sold me the Lombard PowerBook saying it will be fully supported By OS X I had the chance to wait and buy a Pismo (which dvd IS supported, also the Video Card), but I believed in Apple. Maybe, I'm a fool for trusting on Apple. Hope you will understand me. I don't, because my stock Lombard runs great on OS X. -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st/pci-powermacs list nanny A boy who looked like his father the sculptor was a chip off the old block. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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--- Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 18, 2004, at 8:19 PM, Alejandro wrote: You can make yourself legal on all your machines if you buy the Family Pack which provides a license for up to five Macs in a home. Once they fix the DVD issue, I will support OS X with my money. They sold me the Lombard PowerBook saying it will be fully supported By OS X I had the chance to wait and buy a Pismo (which dvd IS supported, also the Video Card), but I believed in Apple. Maybe, I'm a fool for trusting on Apple. Hope you will understand me. I don't, because my stock Lombard runs great on OS X. Except for your DVD Drive. __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jul 18, 2004, at 9:00 PM, Alejandro wrote: --- Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 18, 2004, at 8:19 PM, Alejandro wrote: You can make yourself legal on all your machines if you buy the Family Pack which provides a license for up to five Macs in a home. Once they fix the DVD issue, I will support OS X with my money. They sold me the Lombard PowerBook saying it will be fully supported By OS X I had the chance to wait and buy a Pismo (which dvd IS supported, also the Video Card), but I believed in Apple. Maybe, I'm a fool for trusting on Apple. Hope you will understand me. I don't, because my stock Lombard runs great on OS X. Except for your DVD Drive. Not true, dude. -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st/pci-powermacs list nanny You know sometimes I get the sudden urge to run around naked. But then I just drink some Windex. It keeps me from streaking. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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--- Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 18, 2004, at 9:00 PM, Alejandro wrote: --- Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 18, 2004, at 8:19 PM, Alejandro wrote: You can make yourself legal on all your machines if you buy the Family Pack which provides a license for up to five Macs in a home. Once they fix the DVD issue, I will support OS X with my money. They sold me the Lombard PowerBook saying it will be fully supported By OS X I had the chance to wait and buy a Pismo (which dvd IS supported, also the Video Card), but I believed in Apple. Maybe, I'm a fool for trusting on Apple. Hope you will understand me. I don't, because my stock Lombard runs great on OS X. Except for your DVD Drive. Not true, dude. Also You CAN'T run the Flurry Screensaver, because it looks like a picture slideshow. That's because the ATI Rage Video Card has the same support as the DVD Drive. The ATI Rage was created to provide Full Screen Video (read DVDs, QuickTime movies, Screensavers, etc). Your great OS X can't handle that. If you want to support that kind of business with you money, it's your problem. I will keep my money on my wallet waiting for DECENT support. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jul 18, 2004, at 10:03 PM, Alejandro wrote: If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Apology accepted. Not sure Apple feels the same way, tho :)) -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st/pci-powermacs list nanny You know sometimes I get the sudden urge to run around naked. But then I just drink some Windex. It keeps me from streaking. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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You guys took over my thread and used it to talk about piracy? hrmm.. tisk tisk tisk :P jk... lol but anywho.. piracy is bad.. real bad.. lol.. but ive done my share of p2p'ing lol.. i know im bad, but.. the only thing ive done on here was dnld'd office x, and used it, but ordered a copy off ebay, and had it sent to my house so i can install it when i get home.. so im legal now... lol.. i guess.. why am i admitting to this??? ~Joshua Braddock~ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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I would love to go over to your house and break your Lombard and put you out of your Mac OS X misery... I will set you FREE! Poor boy! La tortuga ;-) On Jul 18, 2004, at 6:19 PM, Alejandro wrote: Once they fix the DVD issue, I will support OS X with my money. They sold me the Lombard PowerBook saying it will be fully supported By OS X I had the chance to wait and buy a Pismo (which dvd IS supported, also the Video Card), but I believed in Apple. Maybe, I'm a fool for trusting on Apple. Hope you will understand me. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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129 dollars American says its gonna cost 129 dollars American. On 17 Jul 2004, at 1:18 PM, G-Books wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Joshua Braddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: this is getting redundant, isnt it? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:21:54 -0600 Oh, and one more thing.. If I have OS X 10.3.4 Panther, will apple let me update to OS X 10.4.1 Tiger for free? Or will I have to buy that version? ~Joshua Braddock~ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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So, with each version release, like 10.1 to 10.2 cost money? why didnt they do like what they did with classic os's and do 8.1 costs, but 8.2-8.4 doesnt, 8.5 does, 8.6-8.9 doesnt? lol i dont under stand that.. so 10.1.1-x is free, but 10.1 to 10.2 isnt. and 10.2 to 10.3 isnt, and 10.3 to 10.4 isnt .. hrmm that sucks.. i guess.. anywho.. On Jul 16, 2004, at 11:32 PM, Brian Andrews wrote: ~Joshua Braddock~ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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It's called residual revenue. Apple, like any company that is only going to sell you a major product every few years, needs to insure that they can make money on a regular basis. It's the same reason Microsoft updates Office every 2 years and makes just enough changes that if one person in your office gets the new version, everyone has to upgrade... Seriously though, I've been impressed enough with the last 2 versions to pay retail for them... 10.2 and 10.3 have been pretty major upgrades. I hope 10.4 is as good. Just my $0.02. -Hal On Jul 17, 2004, at 12:16 AM, Joshua Braddock wrote: So, with each version release, like 10.1 to 10.2 cost money? why didnt they do like what they did with classic os's and do 8.1 costs, but 8.2-8.4 doesnt, 8.5 does, 8.6-8.9 doesnt? lol i dont under stand that.. so 10.1.1-x is free, but 10.1 to 10.2 isnt. and 10.2 to 10.3 isnt, and 10.3 to 10.4 isnt .. hrmm that sucks.. i guess.. anywho.. On Jul 16, 2004, at 11:32 PM, Brian Andrews wrote: ~Joshua Braddock~ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?
So, with each version release, like 10.1 to 10.2 cost money? why didnt they do like what they did with classic os's and do 8.1 costs, but 8.2-8.4 doesnt, 8.5 does, 8.6-8.9 doesnt? lol i dont under stand that.. so 10.1.1-x is free, but 10.1 to 10.2 isnt. and 10.2 to 10.3 isnt, and 10.3 to 10.4 isnt .. hrmm that sucks.. i guess.. anywho.. If they stuck to the original numbering scheme, I guess Jaguar would be 10.5, Panther 11.0, and Tiger 11.5. I believe this more accurately reflect the differences between systems. However, this would introduce the problem with the Mac OS X moniker. (I still don't know where Apple will go with this one.) Coincidentally, for a short while Apple's Public Relations website had a picture of a Panther CD with a Mac OS X Version 11 label. This was quickly changed to one with Mac OS X Version 10.3. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/GUIdebook Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Joshua Braddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and one more thing.. If I have OS X 10.3.4 Panther, will apple let me update to OS X 10.4.1 Tiger for free? Or will I have to buy that version? That will be a buy. Sorry. Apple will usually allow a free upgrade from one major version to another if you buy the computer a few months before the release of the new version. But Tiger is not hitting the streets until maybe next summer. -- Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jul 17, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Al Poulin wrote: Joshua Braddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and one more thing.. If I have OS X 10.3.4 Panther, will apple let me update to OS X 10.4.1 Tiger for free? Or will I have to buy that version? That will be a buy. Sorry. Apple will usually allow a free upgrade from one major version to another if you buy the computer a few months before the release of the new version. But Tiger is not hitting the streets until maybe next summer. I had to comment on this one. . .this reminded me of the one thing Apple has done over the years that truly is a slap to loyal Mac users. Anyone look in their box for X? Or 9 for that matter? See those upgrade coupons? Wonder what they are for? Basically nothing. . .it's things like this that make me shrug whenever Steve Jobs announces a new version of Mac OS, because I know that it's gonna take a small chunk out of my wallet. I strongly feel that Apple should have just waited at least until the new Windose OS comes out. . .ya' know, the one that's going to put PC users what we Mac users went through. Jumping from 9 to X wasn't easy. I didn't do it until the last release of Jaguar was introduced to the market. I my opinion, Apple should sit back on the software side, and focus on it's users, it's newest hardware ( the new cinema displays are enough of a distraction alone), and try to make sure everyone is happy with Jaguar and Panther BEFORE they even talk about Tiger. I watched the recording of Jobs in San Francisco. As far as I'm concerned, Tiger wasn't originally planned to even be mentioned until late next year. What was most likely planned was for Steve to introduce the new iMac G5 line. . which everyone knows Apple dropped the ball on. Of course, we Mac users know it wasn't Apple, but IBM for not being able to develop a better cooling system to work in the tight quarters within an iMac. But now I'm getting into a tangent aren't I? :) Z THE BLUETOOTH MASTER -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Friday, July 16, 2004, at 11:16 PM, Joshua Braddock wrote: So, with each version release, like 10.1 to 10.2 cost money? why didnt they do like what they did with classic os's and do 8.1 costs, but 8.2-8.4 doesnt, 8.5 does, 8.6-8.9 doesnt? lol i dont under stand that.. so 10.1.1-x is free, but 10.1 to 10.2 isnt. and 10.2 to 10.3 isnt, and 10.3 to 10.4 isnt Actually it's exactly like 7.5-7.6-8.0-8.5-9.0 Each of those was a major upgrade, and the in-between releases were bug-fixes and minor upgrades. the differentce between 10.1 and 10.2 is very much like the difference between 7.6 and 8.1, or Windows 3.11 and windows 95; a huge difference, like they were different OS'es, in fact. 10.3 is a BIG improvement over 10.2. They fine tuned where to put the decimal place for 10, probably so they can use OS X for a lot longer. That said, there was 10.2.0, .2, .3, .4, .6, and .8, and 10.3.1, .2, .3 and .4 all for free. -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D. Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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This is precisely why, actually. Steve Jobs said that MacOS X would 'last us' through the decade at least, which is why it has been 10.x.x for 5 years now. Another way to look at it is this: MacOS x.y.z x - Major Version Number - Represents a whole new core for the OS. y - Minor Version Number - Represents new features that are added to the OS. z - Patch Version Number - Represents tuning and other enhancements that don't add features. Granted this only works for versions since 10.0.0, but once you get used to it, it makes as much sense as Apple's system before. On Jul 17, 2004, at 6:34 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Friday, July 16, 2004, at 11:16 PM, Joshua Braddock wrote: So, with each version release, like 10.1 to 10.2 cost money? why didnt they do like what they did with classic os's and do 8.1 costs, but 8.2-8.4 doesnt, 8.5 does, 8.6-8.9 doesnt? lol i dont under stand that.. so 10.1.1-x is free, but 10.1 to 10.2 isnt. and 10.2 to 10.3 isnt, and 10.3 to 10.4 isnt Actually it's exactly like 7.5-7.6-8.0-8.5-9.0 Each of those was a major upgrade, and the in-between releases were bug-fixes and minor upgrades. the differentce between 10.1 and 10.2 is very much like the difference between 7.6 and 8.1, or Windows 3.11 and windows 95; a huge difference, like they were different OS'es, in fact. 10.3 is a BIG improvement over 10.2. They fine tuned where to put the decimal place for 10, probably so they can use OS X for a lot longer. That said, there was 10.2.0, .2, .3, .4, .6, and .8, and 10.3.1, .2, .3 and .4 all for free. -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D. Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
this is getting redundant, isnt it?
Oh, and one more thing.. If I have OS X 10.3.4 Panther, will apple let me update to OS X 10.4.1 Tiger for free? Or will I have to buy that version? ~Joshua Braddock~ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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I don't think Apple has made any official statements on the cost of Tiger but it is a safe bet that the only people who get it for free are those who buy a new Mac just before Tiger is released. The past two upgrades have been $129 and Tiger's 150 new features will probably cost us another $129-$150. On Jul 17, 2004, at 1:21 AM, Joshua Braddock wrote: Oh, and one more thing.. If I have OS X 10.3.4 Panther, will apple let me update to OS X 10.4.1 Tiger for free? Or will I have to buy that version? ~Joshua Braddock~ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
