Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
I have a 533MHZ G4 PowerMac with a 133MHZ bus speed and 3 dimm slots. I also have a Dual 500MHZ PowerMac G4 with a 100MHZ bus speed and 4 dimm slots. I want to run one of these with Mac OS 10.4 Server. Which will offer me the most expandability and speed? Thanks!-Jonas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 2:15 AM, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 533MHZ G4 PowerMac with a 133MHZ bus speed and 3 dimm slots. I also have a Dual 500MHZ PowerMac G4 with a 100MHZ bus speed and 4 dimm slots. I want to run one of these with Mac OS 10.4 Server. Which will offer me the most expandability and speed? Thanks! -Jonas If I assume that the amount of free RAM when either machine is running the server applications you need is about a quarter to a half a gig, and I assume some other factors, then I'd say... If you plan to run many processes on the server the dual cpu G4 is likely your best bet. If you plan to run few processes on the server the single cpu G4 will do fine, - Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
itunes download problem - OT?
I have lost my ability to download - proably for a while since i do not download often I get the following error message There was a problem downloading Another Christmas Song / Another Christmas Song - Single of the Week / Stephen Colbert. You do not have enough access privileges for this operation. Please check that the connection to the network is active and try again. This error message occurs on any network. G4 Powermac LEOPARD 10.5.5 ITUNES 8.0.2 THANKS - Marty p.s. I even tried fixing permissions although I did not expect this to work from everything I have read here on the list --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Options for Audio In/Out
My PCI Graphics G4 450oc Yikes! has a flaky Speaker Out plug ... works if I get the 1/8 plug to my Altec Lansing amplified speakers, inserted just right. Bugs me ... any way to replace the plug on the mobo? What are some of the alternatives for simple stereo out ... or simple stereo in/out? Nothing fancy, just the basics. Have an extra PCI slot and also extra USB ports. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes download problem - OT?
On 12/27/08 11:12 AM, Marty Levine of marty.lev...@gmail.com sent I have lost my ability to download - proably for a while since i do not download often I get the following error message There was a problem downloading Another Christmas Song / Another Christmas Song - Single of the Week / Stephen Colbert. You do not have enough access privileges for this operation. Please check that the connection to the network is active and try again. This error message occurs on any network. Hello Marty, How substantive is this problem? For ex., to see how comprehensive or isolated the problem is, go to, say, VersionTracker and download an app; anything, to see if you get the same error message or not. If isolated, perhaps your Mac simply lost its iTunes account authorization(?) or the iTunes folder needs its read/write privileges refreshed. Just the first thought. Keep us posted, please. Best regards, Dana G4 Powermac LEOPARD 10.5.5 ITUNES 8.0.2 THANKS - Marty p.s. I even tried fixing permissions although I did not expect this to work from everything I have read here on the list Righto! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
FireWire 800 MDD chimes but won't start up.
My FireWire 800 MDD chimes once when I try to start it, and generally powers up, but does nothing else. The monitor stays black, the little light on the monitor stays amber, and, if I hold down command-option-P-R or command-option-O-F, nothing happens either. I've tried it over and over again with and without a variety of components and cards, all of which work in my Dual 867 MDD. Although both my PRAM batteries probably should be replaced (and I'm about to order them), either one will start up the Dual 867, which is the computer I've been using for a week or so. Any suggestions as to what might be wrong? Power supply? Motherboard? CPU? - Aaron P.S. Please Bcc any response to g3-5-l...@aarons.fastmail.net so that it will also show up in my inbox! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Quicken no more? Need something else,... what?
On Dec 24, 7:38 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using Quicken 2007 for quite some time and now come to find out that they're not going to make an update to it. So we're looking for something like it that works really well? what do you use? how do you like it? Jeff Jeff Engle I'm running Quicken 5 on 10.4.11. Had some crashing issues but after putting Q on the MenuMaster disable list it seems more stable. Looked at several of the alternative commercial and open source options suggested on this list. I don't use on line banking via Q but have developed my own version of double entry accounting and a bank of reports to keep track of things (in a modestly obsessive manner). Alternatives didn't seem to offer all the reporting options with which I've become familiar and or require a learning curve a little too steep to get me over the inertia hump for now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic on OS10 Problem
My Reply follows quote. On 27/12/2008 09:45 wmicha...@fuse.net said: Yes, I did go into System Preferences and correct where OS9 is located. And yes, I did add OS9 drivers to the new SATA drive. The funny thing is that if I click on an OS9 app, it loads and runs. It just won't load at boot like it used to, and I get this funny message when I shut down. Phase of the moon? Wolfbane pollen concentration? Or some other setting? I could easily enough add a PATA drive back in; I was trying to completely unload the internal controller to speed up the machine per a recommendation from another list. Check the list of applications in the Startup Items folder in the OS 9 System Folder that is operational when you are in Classic. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
At 1:34 PM -0800 12/26/2008, Al wrote: On Dec 16, 10:08 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:23 PM -0500 12/15/2008, Al Poulin wrote: Does the update make TM/TC users happier? Hmmm, maybe it is too early for this question. Client dropped me an email this morning. TM, on the Mac he updated to 10.5.6, is now telling him his backups are invalid. I haven't looked at it yet... Dan, did this pan out good or bad? Bad. All backups lost. None of the TM images were recoverable by any method we tried. Apple told us to wipe it out and start over. A few days later it barfed again. Rinse repeat rebarf. ... TM has become the butt of the office jokes. He doesn't really care, to be honest, as all thru this we've been using CCC etc - which has never failed us. His 2nd TC just came back from Apple, btw - new HD. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FireWire 800 MDD chimes but won't start up.
On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Aaron wrote:
My FireWire 800 MDD chimes once when I try to start it, and
generally powers up, but does nothing else. The monitor stays
black, the little light on the monitor stays amber, and, if I hold
down command-option-P-R or command-option-O-F, nothing happens either.
When are you getting the keys pressed?
I.E. Press Power button, CHIME {Key press needs to happen BEFORE the
end of the CHIME sound}. AND are you holding it long enough? It may
take 10 or 15 seconds before you see the desired response.
[Also, when you get the Command-opt-P-R to work (Chimes again),
continue holding the Command-opt-P-R for at LEAST three chimes,
(more won't kill anything, might just help)]
HTH
Chuck D.
I've tried it over and over again with and without a variety of
components and cards, all of which work in my Dual 867 MDD.
Although both my PRAM batteries probably should be replaced (and
I'm about to order them), either one will start up the Dual 867,
which is the computer I've been using for a week or so.
Any suggestions as to what might be wrong? Power supply?
Motherboard? CPU?
- Aaron
P.S. Please Bcc any response to g3-5-l...@aarons.fastmail.net so
that it will also show up in my inbox!
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Re: itunes download problem - OT?
At 11:12 AM -0500 12/27/2008, Marty Levine wrote: G4 Powermac LEOPARD 10.5.5 ITUNES 8.0.2 I have lost my ability to download From where to where? Is this something you purchased via the iTunes Store? Or a podcast? or ? I get the following error message There was a problem downloading Another Christmas Song / Another Christmas Song - Single of the Week / Stephen Colbert. You do not have enough access privileges for this operation. Check the console log to see if there is any further information available. This error message occurs on any network. No clue what you mean by the above. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FireWire 800 MDD chimes but won't start up.
At 8:51 AM -0800 12/27/2008, Aaron wrote: My FireWire 800 MDD chimes once when I try to start it So the self-test has succeeded - cpu, buses, etc, are ok. and generally powers up, but does nothing else. The monitor stays black, the little light on the monitor stays amber, and, if I hold down command-option-P-R or command-option-O-F, nothing happens either. I've tried it over and over again with and without a variety of components and cards, all of which work in my Dual 867 MDD. Although both my PRAM batteries probably should be replaced (and I'm about to order them), either one will start up the Dual 867, which is the computer I've been using for a week or so. Any suggestions as to what might be wrong? Power supply? Motherboard? CPU? Try booting from an OS X DVD. If that doesn't work, pull the HD interface cable, and retry booting from the DVD. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic on OS10 Problem
On Dec 27, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Michael B. in Cincinnati wrote: Folks, thanks for your replies. Yes, I did go into System Preferences and correct where OS9 is located. And yes, I did add OS9 drivers to the new SATA drive. The funny thing is that if I click on an OS9 app, it loads and runs. You referring to 'Classic' under OSX, or straight OS9? It just won't load at boot like it used to Booting which system? OSX, or booting OS9(without OSX running)? and I get this funny message when I shut down. Phase of the moon? Wolfbane pollen concentration? Or some other setting? Nah, Murphy's just pulling your chain. ;-) I could easily enough add a PATA drive back in; I was trying to completely unload the internal controller to speed up the machine per a recommendation from another list. Should be possible to do, just need to find the right 'incantation'. I may yet end up with a faster processor. - Mike B. in Cincinnati On Dec 26, 9:08 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Dec 26, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Michael B. in Cincinnati wrote: Hi, I just installed a PCI SATA card in my DA, and I'm having trouble with Classic Mode. I used Carbon Copy Cloner to transfer the old system from the PATA drive to the new SATA, and some stuff didn't make it. After some software reinstalls, I'm almost back to normal, but I keep getting this error message that says that the system can't find a good OS9 system file on the startup disk. However, I put OS9 on a separate (and first) partition. Intrigueingly, Classic Mode will start and run if I start an OS9 app from the OS9 partition. Does anyone have any suggestions? Is this a problem? I didn't have it before when I was running off the internal PATA controller, but I don't think that that's the issue. It's not obvious what you're trying to do. Did you Add OS 9 drivers to the new SATA HD when you formatted it? If not, you're going to need to start over and reformat the SATA HD and use the Add OS 9 drivers option. I'm not a fan of mixing OS X and OS 9. A good idea would be to place OS 9 on it's own dedicated PATA HD, and have OS X (without OS 9 drivers) on it's own dedicated SATA HD. You can run Classic within OS X fine this way, and also boot MacOS 9 fine. There probably isn't OS 9 software for the SATA card, so if you boot OS 9 you'll probably not be able to access the SATA HD. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
On Dec 27, 2008, at 2:15 AM, jonas ulrich wrote: I have a 533MHZ G4 PowerMac with a 133MHZ bus speed and 3 dimm slots. I also have a Dual 500MHZ PowerMac G4 with a 100MHZ bus speed and 4 dimm slots. I want to run one of these with Mac OS 10.4 Server. Which will offer me the most expandability and speed? Hands down, the machine with the faster bus. When Apple redesigned the G4s for the faster bus, they also wanted to increase the number of PCI slots, so one of the RAM slots had to go. The result was the Digital Audio series (which includes the Quicksilver series). The LBA48 property can be added to all of these, anyway, so there is no reason to add a PCI ATA card, hence no need for an additional PCI slot. Should you consider a faster processor, and you really should, get one which is designed for both 100 and 133 MHz buses. But, for that money, you could build an Intel-based Hackintosh, which could easily out-perform any G4 Mac by 5-to-1. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Dan wrote: At 1:34 PM -0800 12/26/2008, Al wrote: On Dec 16, 10:08 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:23 PM -0500 12/15/2008, Al Poulin wrote: Does the update make TM/TC users happier? Hmmm, maybe it is too early for this question. Client dropped me an email this morning. TM, on the Mac he updated to 10.5.6, is now telling him his backups are invalid. I haven't looked at it yet... Dan, did this pan out good or bad? Bad. All backups lost. None of the TM images were recoverable by any method we tried. Apple told us to wipe it out and start over. A few days later it barfed again. Rinse repeat rebarf. ... TM has become the butt of the office jokes. He doesn't really care, to be honest, as all thru this we've been using CCC etc - which has never failed us. His 2nd TC just came back from Apple, btw - new HD. Curious ... when you did your TM backups that later failed, were you also multi-tasking? or leaving the OS to backup only? My QS Dual 1GHz with OS X 10.5.4 is fairly simple now, and I haven't had trouble with TM backups. I stop opening / closing folders, or any apps I'm under control of, while the process is underway. Also backup to an external FW HD formatted with the Extended (Journaled) format. Also using CCC 3.1.3 which I really like now, too. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:58 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Dan wrote: At 1:34 PM -0800 12/26/2008, Al wrote: On Dec 16, 10:08 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:23 PM -0500 12/15/2008, Al Poulin wrote: Does the update make TM/TC users happier? Hmmm, maybe it is too early for this question. Client dropped me an email this morning. TM, on the Mac he updated to 10.5.6, is now telling him his backups are invalid. I haven't looked at it yet... Or is it the Time Capsule part that is causing the issues? like trying to do an over the Network CCC backup with a WEP encrypted wireless device that fails? Apple seems to be working on the Airport Manager (name?) a lot .5 .6 ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FireWire 800 MDD chimes but won't start up.
On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Aaron wrote: My FireWire 800 MDD chimes once when I try to start it, and generally powers up, but does nothing else. The monitor stays black, the little light on the monitor stays amber, and, if I hold down command-option-P-R or command-option-O-F, nothing happens either. Any suggestions as to what might be wrong? Power supply? These symptoms are identical to my G5 when the power supply blew. Luckily for me, this was a known defect of certain G5's and covered by Apple under a special extended warranty, otherwise it would have been an $800+ repair. I found a pinout for the power supply and used a multimeter to test the lines. In my case, about half were dead. I'd bet a MDD power supply is really expensive if that's the case, you might want to see about adapting a PC power supply? You can find some good info about testing the MDD power supply and a pinout diagram, etc. here: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1117298 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
On Dec 27, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Dan wrote: Dan, did this pan out good or bad? Bad. All backups lost. None of the TM images were recoverable by any method we tried. Apple told us to wipe it out and start over. A few days later it barfed again. Rinse repeat rebarf. ... TM has become the butt of the office jokes. He doesn't really care, to be honest, as all thru this we've been using CCC etc - which has never failed us. His 2nd TC just came back from Apple, btw - new HD. I had my brother returned his Time Capsulte to Apple and the genius pressed the reset button and told him it was likely fixed and to try again. This was a wasted drive of 140 miles to accomplish nothing. When he returned with it, it took 3 hours to get the Wifi working, and then the HD was bungled and HOT, HOT, HOT. My experience with Time Capsule has been nothing but a pain. The differential between expectation and reality is a chasm as wide as Vista. Time Capsule is a Black Hole. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic on OS10 Problem
On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Michael B. in Cincinnati wrote: The funny thing is that if I click on an OS9 app, it loads and runs. This isn't funny, this is normal behavior for Classic applications under OS X. It just won't load at boot like it used to. I'm still not following you here. I think you may be saying I'm booted in OS X, but when I click on an OS 9 app instead of seeing the OS 9 (Classic) boot process window open, I'm having the OS 9 app load and run directly? If this is the case, then you've got Classic set up to load automatically on boot and not show the boot window. This means that Classic is already running with when you click on the OS 9 app. You'd adjust this behavior in System PreferencesClassic. You'd need to uncheck the boxes Start Classic when you login and Hide Classic when starting under the Start/Stop tab. If you are trying to boot OS 9 directly either by selecting it in Startup Disk, using the Option key selection, or holding the 9 key at startup, and it's not booting, this could be many things. Booting a SATA PCI card HD is dependent upon firmware on the PCI card, not all SATA PCI can boot in Macs. The firmware on the card might not support OS 9 booting, it may be OS X only? If your OS 9 and OS X are on the same partition (I believe yours are cloned together?) then the OS 9 System can become unblessed and not boot. Older versions of Carbon Copy Cloner have a Bless function for blessing the System folder, but I'm not sure if the newest CCC has this function? You'll need to be sure the OS 9 System is blessed to be bootable. I think the time of OS 9 and Classic is over. You should look for a native OS X program to replace whatever OS 9 programs you're still using. OS 9 and Classic are more burden than any PATA HD. If you're trying to squeeze out performance, I'm very dubious that not using the PATA bus will result in any appreciable performance gain? For performance, I'd suggest you get two identical SATA HDs and stripe them in a RAID 0 set, then backup this set using a single internal or external HD (use the PATA bus if necessary, although a Firewire external SATA based HD may be cheaper than a large PATA HD?). The single backup HD needs to be twice the size of the two RAID set individual HDs. To get the full speed advantage of RAID 0 each HD in the pair needs its own dedicated bus, you can't place both sharing the same bus. RAID 0 can nearly double the HD access speed, but you need reliable backup. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes download problem - OT?
On 12/27/08, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/27/08 11:12 AM, Marty Levine of marty.lev...@gmail.com sent I have lost my ability to download - proably for a while since i do not download often I get the following error message There was a problem downloading Another Christmas Song / Another Christmas Song - Single of the Week / Stephen Colbert. You do not have enough access privileges for this operation. Please check that the connection to the network is active and try again. This error message occurs on any network. Hello Marty, How substantive is this problem? For ex., to see how comprehensive or isolated the problem is, go to, say, VersionTracker and download an app; anything, to see if you get the same error message or not. If isolated, perhaps your Mac simply lost its iTunes account authorization(?) or the iTunes folder needs its read/write privileges refreshed. Just the first thought. Keep us posted, please. Best regards, Dana G4 Powermac LEOPARD 10.5.5 ITUNES 8.0.2 THANKS - Marty p.s. I even tried fixing permissions although I did not expect this to work from everything I have read here on the list Righto! -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes download problem - OT?
OOOPS My Bad! Irgnore that post On 12/27/08, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/27/08, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/27/08 11:12 AM, Marty Levine of marty.lev...@gmail.com sent I have lost my ability to download - proably for a while since i do not download often I get the following error message There was a problem downloading Another Christmas Song / Another Christmas Song - Single of the Week / Stephen Colbert. You do not have enough access privileges for this operation. Please check that the connection to the network is active and try again. This error message occurs on any network. Hello Marty, How substantive is this problem? For ex., to see how comprehensive or isolated the problem is, go to, say, VersionTracker and download an app; anything, to see if you get the same error message or not. If isolated, perhaps your Mac simply lost its iTunes account authorization(?) or the iTunes folder needs its read/write privileges refreshed. Just the first thought. Keep us posted, please. Best regards, Dana G4 Powermac LEOPARD 10.5.5 ITUNES 8.0.2 THANKS - Marty p.s. I even tried fixing permissions although I did not expect this to work from everything I have read here on the list Righto! -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
At 1:58 PM -0500 12/27/2008, insightinmind wrote: Bad. All backups lost. None of the TM images were recoverable by any method we tried. Apple told us to wipe it out and start over. A few days later it barfed again. Rinse repeat rebarf. ... TM has become the butt of the office jokes. He doesn't really care, to be honest, as all thru this we've been using CCC etc - which has never failed us. Curious ... when you did your TM backups that later failed, were you also multi-tasking? or leaving the OS to backup only? Tried both ways. My QS Dual 1GHz with OS X 10.5.4 is fairly simple now, and I haven't had trouble with TM backups. I stop opening / closing folders, or any apps I'm under control of, while the process is underway. It really should not matter what else is going on, as the file system fully supports multiple readers to a file. The source is not the issue. The issue is that the TM software is buggy - now and then it simply fails to write usable output. Even if the file data it was writing were foo, the file structure it writes should be intact! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
At 2:22 PM -0500 12/27/2008, insightinmind wrote: Or is it the Time Capsule part that is causing the issues? like trying to do an over the Network CCC backup with a WEP encrypted wireless device that fails? We've had TM fail both to TC wired and wireless, and to directly connected external drives. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: itunes download problem - OT?
On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Marty Levine wrote: I have lost my ability to download - proably for a while since i do not download often I get the following error message There was a problem downloading Another Christmas Song / Another Christmas Song - Single of the Week / Stephen Colbert. You do not have enough access privileges for this operation. Please check that the connection to the network is active and try again. Try logging out of your iTunes account, then signing back in. I remember some reports of problems with being automatically logged in and updating to newer versions of iTunes. - Ron. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
At 1:55 PM -0600 12/27/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: I had my brother returned his Time Capsulte to Apple and the genius pressed the reset button and told him it was likely fixed and to try again. This was a wasted drive of 140 miles sigh. We had the same experience with the first TC. The client took it to an Apple Store during lunch and all the guy did was push the button. Got back into the office and found it was a brick. I hope the 140 miles at least had some nice scenery! ...Not to bash the Genius concept, which I'm sure is good for some segment of the user population, but I've yet to get a solution from any Apple Genius that wasn't already available with a few mins of searching with Google or in Apple's TIL. I guess that's appropriate. If they had access to double-secret information to fix things, we'd throw a fit. Time Capsule is a Black Hole. TM + anything = a Black Hole. I think TC is a nice NAS solution with potential, albeit a pricey one. IOW, while I don't recommend Time Machine for anything except playing around, I have (sigh. I'm not sure why!) hopes for Time Capsule. I'm still in the market for a good cost-reasonable shared storage solution. At this point, we're mostly using things like Power Macs or Mac Minis armed with strings of external Firewire or eSATA drives. Our luck with off-the-shelf NAS boxes hasn't been very good... HD mechanism problems, whole boxes that emulate bricks suddenly, etc. For backups... I've created a two-layered solution. Step 1: The mac pushes the data with CCC to the backup volume (either local or on a server-Mac). Step 2: Critical folders are pushed to DVD. Not elegant, but it works, if the client remembers to put DVD blanks into the drives and/or plug in the externals. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan wrote: At 1:58 PM -0500 12/27/2008, insightinmind wrote: Bad. All backups lost. None of the TM images were recoverable by any method we tried. Apple told us to wipe it out and start over. A few days later it barfed again. Rinse repeat rebarf. ... TM has become the butt of the office jokes. He doesn't really care, to be honest, as all thru this we've been using CCC etc - which has never failed us. I had this same problem with my new macbook, and a time machine volume attached to my AE base station Gave me such fits, that I dropped the TM thing all together for now and went back to 10.5.5. Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 208-935-0992 eBay ID: Bluebedheads w/290+ pos. feedback --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic on OS10 Problem
To answer several questions: I bought this machine basically to learn about Macs. I also own and use Linux and (unfortunately, due to my job) Windows machines. My interest in OS9 is basically self-educational, not utilitarian. although I like the system. I also installed a decent sound card (m-Audio 2496), and plan to use it for a music workstation; I have lots of older open-reel tapes that I would like to convert to digital, edit to improve the lost high frequencies, and record to CD's. In my original installation, I had an 80GB PATA HD containing 10.4.11, and a second 250 GB PATA HD with two partitions, one containing OS9, and the other for file storage from 10.4. I used one of the hacks reported in these pages to gain 48-bit addressing, and that worked fine. When I booted 10.4, Classic would also boot; I could watch OS9 load during the boot process. The OS9 icon would bounce/flash until the load was completed. Then, I could click on an OS9 app icon, and it would load immediately. I have some old OS9 software, which I admit are mostly curiosities, but they run better on this machine by far than on my G3 iMac. So I installed the SATA card (an Acard AEC-6290M from OWC) with a 160 GB SATA drive with two partitions, the first of which I installed OS9 onto, and the second 10.4. I put the 250 GB PATA drive into an OWC Neptune case, and used that with CCC to transfer the 10.4 install onto the 160 GB's second partition. I then reinstalled OS9 and the apps onto the first partition, because I was beginning to have this error message while it was still running on the PATA drive, and went from there. Afterward, I started having this odd error message about not having a good system file on the startup disk whenever I shut the machine down (it won't sleep because of the USB 2.0 card). So, to be very specific, this is a DA with dual 533 MHz processors, 1.5 GB of RAM, a flashed GeForce 6200 video card (which has been great), a DVD- RAM, 10.4.11, and the above mentioned HD's. It also has a USB 2.0 card and a Sweet Multiport, for what that's worth. Overall, it's a nice system, and one I've enjoyed. I may yet, again for self-educational purposes, install an aftermarket processor. I certainly can't justify it in terms of bang for the buck; it would have been cheaper from the get-go to find a dual 1.8 GHz G5 to start with. But I'm having fun, and that's the issue. I would prefer for the system to behave like it used to, with OS9 kicking in at boot and remaining ready to go. I'm trying to understand why it's behaving the way it is. No, it's not life-threatening; but enquiring minds want to know! Thanks for all your input. For the benefit of others, I'll report back on my findings. - Michael B. in Cincinnati On Dec 27, 4:32 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Michael B. in Cincinnati wrote: The funny thing is that if I click on an OS9 app, it loads and runs. This isn't funny, this is normal behavior for Classic applications under OS X. It just won't load at boot like it used to. I'm still not following you here. I think you may be saying I'm booted in OS X, but when I click on an OS 9 app instead of seeing the OS 9 (Classic) boot process window open, I'm having the OS 9 app load and run directly? If this is the case, then you've got Classic set up to load automatically on boot and not show the boot window. This means that Classic is already running with when you click on the OS 9 app. You'd adjust this behavior in System PreferencesClassic. You'd need to uncheck the boxes Start Classic when you login and Hide Classic when starting under the Start/Stop tab. If you are trying to boot OS 9 directly either by selecting it in Startup Disk, using the Option key selection, or holding the 9 key at startup, and it's not booting, this could be many things. Booting a SATA PCI card HD is dependent upon firmware on the PCI card, not all SATA PCI can boot in Macs. The firmware on the card might not support OS 9 booting, it may be OS X only? If your OS 9 and OS X are on the same partition (I believe yours are cloned together?) then the OS 9 System can become unblessed and not boot. Older versions of Carbon Copy Cloner have a Bless function for blessing the System folder, but I'm not sure if the newest CCC has this function? You'll need to be sure the OS 9 System is blessed to be bootable. I think the time of OS 9 and Classic is over. You should look for a native OS X program to replace whatever OS 9 programs you're still using. OS 9 and Classic are more burden than any PATA HD. If you're trying to squeeze out performance, I'm very dubious that not using the PATA bus will result in any appreciable performance gain? For performance, I'd suggest you get two identical SATA HDs and stripe them in a RAID 0 set, then backup this set using a single internal or external HD (use the PATA bus if necessary,
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Re: Options for Audio In/Out
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: My PCI Graphics G4 450oc Yikes! has a flaky Speaker Out plug ... works if I get the 1/8 plug to my Altec Lansing amplified speakers, inserted just right. Bugs me ... any way to replace the plug on the mobo? What are some of the alternatives for simple stereo out ... or simple stereo in/out? Nothing fancy, just the basics. Have an extra PCI slot and also extra USB ports. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Can you solder a new one on? Finding a replacement may be iffy. Or just get a sound card from the swap list? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Quicken no more? Need something else,... what?
Cliff wrote: On Dec 24, 7:38 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using Quicken 2007 for quite some time and now come to find out that they're not going to make an update to it. So we're looking for something like it that works really well? what do you use? how do you like it? Jeff Jeff Engle I'm running Quicken 5 on 10.4.11. Had some crashing issues but after putting Q on the MenuMaster disable list it seems more stable. Have you tried this site? http://fi.intuit.com/support/hot_topics/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan wrote: At 1:58 PM -0500 12/27/2008, insightinmind wrote: Bad. All backups lost. None of the TM images were recoverable by any method we tried. Apple told us to wipe it out and start over. A few days later it barfed again. Rinse repeat rebarf. ... TM has become the butt of the office jokes. He doesn't really care, to be honest, as all thru this we've been using CCC etc - which has never failed us. I had this same problem with my new macbook, and a time machine volume attached to my AE base station Gave me such fits, that I dropped the TM thing all together for now and went back to 10.5.5. Jeff Engle Jeff: I was under the impression that 'Time Machine' was an application available under OSX. Are you trying to say that if you have 10.5.6 -- Time machine MUST be used?? Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic on OS10 Problem
On Dec 27, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Michael B. in Cincinnati wrote: To answer several questions: I bought this machine basically to learn about Macs. I also own and use Linux and (unfortunately, due to my job) Windows machines. My interest in OS9 is basically self-educational, not utilitarian. although I like the system. I also installed a decent sound card (m-Audio 2496), and plan to use it for a music workstation; I have lots of older open-reel tapes that I would like to convert to digital, edit to improve the lost high frequencies, and record to CD's. In my original installation, I had an 80GB PATA HD containing 10.4.11, and a second 250 GB PATA HD with two partitions, one containing OS9, and the other for file storage from 10.4. I used one of the hacks reported in these pages to gain 48-bit addressing, and that worked fine. When I booted 10.4, Classic would also boot; I could watch OS9 load during the boot process. The OS9 icon would bounce/flash until the load was completed. Then, I could click on an OS9 app icon, and it would load immediately. I have some old OS9 software, which I admit are mostly curiosities, but they run better on this machine by far than on my G3 iMac. So I installed the SATA card (an Acard AEC-6290M from OWC) with a 160 GB SATA drive with two partitions, the first of which I installed OS9 onto, and the second 10.4. I put the 250 GB PATA drive into an OWC Neptune case, and used that with CCC to transfer the 10.4 install onto the 160 GB's second partition. I then reinstalled OS9 and the apps onto the first partition, because I was beginning to have this error message while it was still running on the PATA drive, and went from there. Afterward, I started having this odd error message about not having a good system file on the startup disk whenever I shut the machine down (it won't sleep because of the USB 2.0 card). So, to be very specific, this is a DA with dual 533 MHz processors, 1.5 GB of RAM, a flashed GeForce 6200 video card (which has been great), a DVD- RAM, 10.4.11, and the above mentioned HD's. It also has a USB 2.0 card and a Sweet Multiport, for what that's worth. Overall, it's a nice system, and one I've enjoyed. I may yet, again for self-educational purposes, install an aftermarket processor. I certainly can't justify it in terms of bang for the buck; it would have been cheaper from the get-go to find a dual 1.8 GHz G5 to start with. But I'm having fun, and that's the issue. I would prefer for the system to behave like it used to, with OS9 kicking in at boot and remaining ready to go. That SHOULD be a simple thing to fix Goto 'System Preference/System/Classic, and there is a box to check to have OS9 load at startup. I'm trying to understand why it's behaving the way it is. No, it's not life-threatening; but enquiring minds want to know! Thanks for all your input. For the benefit of others, I'll report back on my findings. - Michael B. in Cincinnati --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: UPS effectiveness (was: Power failure-computer won't start)
On Dec 27, 10:55 pm, Bill Christensen billc_li...@greenbuilder.com wrote: Finally I decided that the prime difference was the power. They were unprotected. We've got a big UPS (sine wave output, not square wave). We're all way out at the end of the power system, and the power is definitely prone to spikes and surges. Our UPS beeps and boops frequently telling us of slumps and surges. We put them on a UPS and the problems went away. Same machine, same use patterns. Let's add some facts. First you had no idea why the supply was failing. Using anecdotal evidence, you were speculating. From diagnostic programs, where was a fact that identified what hardware was defective? You fixed what? And then it still failed? You did not even know what hardware was defective and when. So how do you know the UPS terminated hardware damage? You don't. You only speculated. Second, anything that a $500 UPS (to create sine waves) would solve is supposed to be inside a $60 power supply. So you spent $500 on a UPS to fix a defective power supply? That is proof? Of what? You somehow _know_ 'dirty' power can corrupt any computer? And that corruption means hardware was damaged? Above are numerous assumptions based only on observation and on few facts. When was observation alone sufficient to know something? Any fact from only observation is classic junk science. What was taught in junior high science? First, the problem must be defined by a hypothesis based in well understood principles. Second, hypothesis must be confirmed with experimental evidence. Without both, only speculation exists. You have posted speculation. Then you converted that speculation into a conclusion. IOW junk science. More likely, you spent $500 to cure symptoms. A power supply was defective even when used in your home. If using basic principles taught in junior high school, then all that trouble and a $500 UPS would have been unnecessary. Plug-in UPSes have their purpose as I stated. I then stated what those purposes are. But to fix a $60 defective computer power supply with a $500 UPS - that is not worthwhile. That $500 UPS only suggests where to look for the defect in a computer's power supply 'system'. Anne Keller-Smith recommends using a UPS to protect hardware. Even a $500 UPS does not claim protection from typical hardware destructive events. Even your example was not a hardware destructive event. Her recommendation was not a $500 UPS. A computer grade UPS is typically under $100. That UPS connects a computer directly to AC mains as if the UPS did not exist. And then you complicate the issue by discussing a $500 UPS? So many defects and assumptions exist in your reasoning. So again, why would you buy a $500 UPS to fix a defective $60 power supply - then assume that solved a hardware failure? A UPS is to protect data from power loss. Even 'dirtiest' electricity created by the typical computer grade UPS is made irrelevant by the computer's power supply. Nothing posted implies a $500 UPS protected hardware. It only implies a $500 UPS was purchased to fix a defective $60 power supply. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule
On Dec 27, 2008, at 8:36 PM, Charles Davis wrote: On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan wrote: At 1:58 PM -0500 12/27/2008, insightinmind wrote: Bad. All backups lost. None of the TM images were recoverable by any method we tried. Apple told us to wipe it out and start over. A few days later it barfed again. Rinse repeat rebarf. ... TM has become the butt of the office jokes. He doesn't really care, to be honest, as all thru this we've been using CCC etc - which has never failed us. I had this same problem with my new macbook, and a time machine volume attached to my AE base station Gave me such fits, that I dropped the TM thing all together for now and went back to 10.5.5. Jeff Engle Jeff: I was under the impression that 'Time Machine' was an application available under OSX. Are you trying to say that if you have 10.5.6 -- Time machine MUST be used?? Chuck D. Time Machine is software A time machine volume is simply the hard disk in use by time machine. And no, time machine is merely an option like anything else. I just was having problems with time machine (the software that is) after I updated to 10.5.6 Hope that helps, J Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 208-935-0992 eBay ID: Bluebedheads w/290+ pos. feedback --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
