Re: Thermal grease?

[pdimage]

On 15/3/09 21:13, "Amanda Ward"  wrote:

> I have the aforementioned heat sink and CPU apart. What would be a
> good thermal compound to reassemble the beast?
> I do have a dab of Arctic Silver from a former project. Think this
> would be okee dokee?
> The chip doesn't seem to have any exposed circuitry... 'cept for the
> Bazillion pins on the underside. :-)
> 
> Amanda
> 
> Remembering my first computer had a 40 pin CPU! Yikes!

If it's a sprung heatsink - held on by springs or through the mobo
plungers - you need Arctic Silver 5 or Arctic Silver Ceramique - Ceramique
is better than 5 by a degree or two. Your dab of Arctic Silver should be
fine if it's not too old - doesn't keep too well
If it's a heatsink which is retained in place by the contact only you
need the two part epoxy ceramic adhesive - Arctic Alumina - mixes 50/50 then
you have about five minutes get it spread well over the contact area and
join the two surfaces - so if the phone rings while you're ruining your
credit card trying to spread the stuff ignore it - or it will be back to
chipping it off with a scalpel.
Another option for glued sinks is thermal adhesive pads - though I've
never used them

Pete



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Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards

[Lawrence David Eden]

I did a search for the Keyboard Assistantlocated it.and found 
it a new home in the TRASH.  I continued to use the Mac for a few 
days before emptying the trash.  Cheap insurance.



>How did you disable it, Lawrence?
>
>
>On Mar 15, 8:44 am, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:
>>  I know this tune all too well, having just played it recently...
>>
>>  I finally disabled the "Keyboard Assistant" that came with Tiger.  I
>>  got tired of being nagged by the Assistant and I noticed that my
>>  keyboard was functioning properly.  This is one of those cases where
>>  I don't understand what the problem is on Apple's side, but choose to
>>  ignore it and go about my business as usual.
>>  I might add that this same issue came up on my wife's iMac G5 after
>>  doing a low level reset.  The G5 did not recognize its own
>>  keyboardbut it worked just fine.
>>
>>  >tonycd wrote:
>>  >>  Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a B&W, then
>>  >>  transplanted the drive into another B&W. (Long story. You don't wanna
>>  >>  know.)
>>
>>  >>  The computer booted up perfectly. When the "Initialize Your
>>  >>  Keyboard" (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it
>>  >>  "doinked" that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed
>>  >>  to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key.
>>
>>  >Did you try hitting any other keys.
>>
>>  >Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard?
>>
>>  >>  I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that
>>  >>  this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other
>>  >>  -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB
>>  >>  devices, restarted. Same result.
>>
>>  >>  The dialog box always gives the same error message: "You're hitting
>>  >>  the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard."
>>
>>  >>  This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets.
>>  >>  The disks say "CPU Drop-In." I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple
>>  >>  with a built-in keyboard. What gives?
>>
>>  >Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard...
>>
>>  >For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at
>>  >least a laptop keyboard.
>>
>>  >Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports?
>>
>>  >--
>>  >Clark Martin
>>  >Redwood City, CA, USA
>>  >Macintosh / Internet Consulting
>>
>>  >"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
>

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Re: fans on G5 - off to the races!

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

Sheesh! $800 for dual 2GHz G5? Maybe I should part this one out and get 
an Intel Mac ;-)

Thanks for the detailed instructions, I'll give it a look-see when the 
machine is down for a few hours.

Stephen

Cyrus Griffin wrote:
> I do; however it does require some special tools. First, you have to  
> take the cover off, that says G5. There's a little grey post that you  
> have to take out on the top side, next to the video card. After thats  
> out (it does take some doing...) pull the grey plastic piece down  
> that's on the front of the processors. This releases 3 or 4 latches on  
> the top cover, which slides over to the left, and up. You can then  
> take the plastic part from the front off. Next, you need a very, very  
> long allen; I believe it's either a 2 or a 5/64. I have a security  
> set, and an extender that I got at a hardware store. There are two in  
> the front, (one on each) four in the middle (these are hard to get to)  
> and two on the back, one on each. You don't have to take these all the  
> way out, in fact I wouldn't recommend trying. They are wedge shaped  
> and hold the processors in with pressure on the sides, as opposed to  
> conventional methods of applying downwards pressure. Anyways, then you  
> just wiggle them out, and there are some phillips screws to take the  
> actual processors off the heat sync. Also there is probably a second,  
> smaller heat sync attached to the back side, with some metal or  
> plastic clips. It should be obvious how to take it off, as it's  
> attached to the processor itself. I would strongly suggest being  
> grounded while you do this; new processors are VERY, VERY hard to find  
> for dual 2GHz G5's, and may cost you upwards of $800. Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>   -Cyrus
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 15, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:
> 
>> I have a dual 2.0 GHz G5. On occasion, all the fans start running full
>> speed. I know that this is a common problem with this particular  
>> model,
>> but I've searched all the forums for a fix to no avail.
>>
>> My guess is that the CPU heat sinks are not seated right, maybe the
>> "goo" is dried out, the "thermal grease" thread brought the  
>> possibility
>> back to mind. At work, I had a server that was doing the same dance,  
>> and
>> reseating the heatsinks on the CPU's fixed it.
>>
>> Does anyone know how the get into the processors on a dual 2.0 GHz G5?
>> For some reason, Apple has apparently removed all the Tech Docs for  
>> this
>> particular model from their website.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>  Stephen
>>

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Re: fans on G5 - off to the races!

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

Thanks for the tips. Very strange behavior here, though, when I google 
for MenuMeters, Safari either hangs or crashes!

A rogue application or process may well be to blame, I've done as one of 
the other forums said and checked the CPU temps after a fan "excursion" 
and the CPU's were pretty warm. I'll keep an eye on it in Activity 
Monitor, though some say Activity Monitor can cause some background 
runaways too.

Stephen

Kris Tilford wrote:
> I've got a dual 2.3 that occasionally goes full fan on. I use  
> MenuMeters and such a full fan on condition is almost always  
> accompanied by full 100% CPU usage on both CPUs. I click on the CPU  
> monitor in the menu bar and select "Open Activity Monitor" which I  
> sort by the CPU usage column descending. The offending process is  
> always at the top in some sort of runaway mode. I highlight the  
> process and "quit" it, and if that doesn't work, "force quit" it, and  
> the fans always stop within just a few seconds. I haven't had this  
> happen much recently, but I've drastically scaled back on using  
> Firefox because it was most often the offending process.
> 

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Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...

[Edie]

Title: Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me
...



At 6:46 PM -0700 3/12/09 nestamicky wrote:

 


Well this is good to know.  Now I
turn my attention to a video web server...where people can log in and
see a live stream. Ideas?


Sorry, I'm a bit behind on this list.

Consider .  You can sign up and
stream for free. We used our external iSight camera to stream puppies
a couple of months ago. Got a lot of traffic using that site.

~Edie


 


 

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Re: fans on G5 - off to the races!

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 16, 2009, at 6:24 AM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:

>
> Thanks for the tips. Very strange behavior here, though, when I google
> for MenuMeters, Safari either hangs or crashes!


Clear your cache. This is usually the fix when Safari crashes on  
certain known good sites



Menu Meters is one of my 'must have' apps.



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Re: jumpers

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

>
> Question:
>
> I want to install the Seagate as a slave until I can do a carbon  
> copy clone.
> Then I want to use the Seagate as my new Master and the Quantum as a  
> slave.
> If the Seagate must be set to CS in order to work in my B&W, what
> should the jumper settings be for the Quantum?

CS. In Cable Select mode all drives must be jumpered to CS.

As for your overall plan, this is a Mac, not a PC. Master/Slave bears  
no relationship whatsoever to boot volume.

Once you're ready to switch, just go to System Prefs > Startup disk  
and choose the disk you want to boot from. Reboot and that will be  
your new boot volume.

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Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 14, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Paul wrote:

>
> I wonder how much of that goo is from the tobacco itself and how much
> is from all the additives they use. In my experience, the smell
> lingers 10 times as long from regular cigarette smoke as it does from
> additive-free cigarettes. This isn't proof, but it is suggestive.

The goo is largely from the tobacco itself. In an earlier chapter in  
my long and winding career I worked for a place that did a lot of  
research on cigarette smoke.

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Re: fans on G5 - off to the races!

[MacGuy]

On Mar 16, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> Menu Meters is one of my 'must have' apps.


Bruce, I would really be interested in knowing what the rest of those  
"must have apps" are. Jeff

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Re: Thermal grease?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:17 AM, John Callahan wrote:

>
> At last, a voice of reason and acuity in this exercise in tedium.
> Also I take issue with this statement "the exhaust manifold comes off
> the sides of the engine, not down the middle..." Never saw an engine
> (V8) with the exhaust down the middle.



Mis-statement on my part:

"The intake manifold fed both banks from inside the Vee but the  
exhaust had to pass between the cylinders to reach the outboard  
exhaust manifolds."

 From 

It's because the valves are in the block, rather than in the cylinder  
head as on most designs

See this photo:



This meant that not only is precious intercylinder space taken up by  
exhaust porting rather than cooling channels, heat is transferred from  
the exhaust back to the block.



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Re: fans on G5 - off to the races!

[Cyrus Griffin]

Apple wanted about $1,700 to replace ONE. We said No, as the whole  
computer's not even worth that much fully working... We were able to  
find a single 2ghz CPU on eBay for about $100, but it didn't work,  
even Apple couldn't get it to work after they ran the thermal  
calibration, and they said that both CPU's were broken. Just to let  
you know... Not to be a harbinger of doom :) You might be able to post  
on LEM swap for new processors if re-thermal pasting them. On ours the  
thermal paste was, indeed dried up, so that might have happened on  
yours, and that could fix the problem, those G5's tend to run hot. Oh,  
I just thought of this, (if possible) I would take it to the Apple  
store for diagnostic, I think they'll run the thermal calibration at  
no cost, which might fix your problem, and the  diagnostic tool, also.  
That should confirm if you have any bad hardware.


-Cyrus



On Mar 16, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:

>
> Sheesh! $800 for dual 2GHz G5? Maybe I should part this one out and  
> get
> an Intel Mac ;-)
>
> Thanks for the detailed instructions, I'll give it a look-see when the
> machine is down for a few hours.
>
> Stephen
>
> Cyrus Griffin wrote:
>> I do; however it does require some special tools. First, you have to
>> take the cover off, that says G5. There's a little grey post that you
>> have to take out on the top side, next to the video card. After thats
>> out (it does take some doing...) pull the grey plastic piece down
>> that's on the front of the processors. This releases 3 or 4 latches  
>> on
>> the top cover, which slides over to the left, and up. You can then
>> take the plastic part from the front off. Next, you need a very, very
>> long allen; I believe it's either a 2 or a 5/64. I have a security
>> set, and an extender that I got at a hardware store. There are two in
>> the front, (one on each) four in the middle (these are hard to get  
>> to)
>> and two on the back, one on each. You don't have to take these all  
>> the
>> way out, in fact I wouldn't recommend trying. They are wedge shaped
>> and hold the processors in with pressure on the sides, as opposed to
>> conventional methods of applying downwards pressure. Anyways, then  
>> you
>> just wiggle them out, and there are some phillips screws to take the
>> actual processors off the heat sync. Also there is probably a second,
>> smaller heat sync attached to the back side, with some metal or
>> plastic clips. It should be obvious how to take it off, as it's
>> attached to the processor itself. I would strongly suggest being
>> grounded while you do this; new processors are VERY, VERY hard to  
>> find
>> for dual 2GHz G5's, and may cost you upwards of $800. Hope that  
>> helps.
>>
>>
>>  -Cyrus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:
>>
>>> I have a dual 2.0 GHz G5. On occasion, all the fans start running  
>>> full
>>> speed. I know that this is a common problem with this particular
>>> model,
>>> but I've searched all the forums for a fix to no avail.
>>>
>>> My guess is that the CPU heat sinks are not seated right, maybe the
>>> "goo" is dried out, the "thermal grease" thread brought the
>>> possibility
>>> back to mind. At work, I had a server that was doing the same dance,
>>> and
>>> reseating the heatsinks on the CPU's fixed it.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how the get into the processors on a dual 2.0 GHz  
>>> G5?
>>> For some reason, Apple has apparently removed all the Tech Docs for
>>> this
>>> particular model from their website.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephen
>>>
>
> >


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Re: fans on G5 - off to the races!

[nestamicky]

MacGuy wrote:
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>   
>> Menu Meters is one of my 'must have' apps.
>> 
>
>
> Bruce, I would really be interested in knowing what the rest of those  
> "must have apps" are. Jeff
>   
I really would too..Bruce...what are they...make 'em 10downloading 
Menu Meters this instant
> >
>   

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Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...

[nestamicky]

Edie wrote:
> At 6:46 PM -0700 3/12/09 nestamicky wrote:
>>>  
>> Well this is good to know.  Now I turn my attention to a video web 
>> server...where people can log in and see a live stream. Ideas?
>
>
> Sorry, I'm a bit behind on this list.
>
> Consider .  You can sign up and stream for 
> free. We used our external iSight camera to stream puppies a couple of 
> months ago. Got a lot of traffic using that site.
>
> ~Edie
>
> Thanks a lot for that site Edie. I may use it, but I'm also interested 
> in an app I could run from my G4.
>  
>
>
>  
>
> >

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Re: fans on G5 - off to the races!

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 16, 2009, at 11:18 AM, nestamicky wrote:

>>
>> Bruce, I would really be interested in knowing what the rest of those
>> "must have apps" are. Jeff
>>
> I really would too..Bruce...what are they...make 'em 10downloading
> Menu Meters this instant

Everyone's 'must have' applications list is a bit different: these are  
a random sample of programs I  install on every computer I use...bear  
in mind that I'm a system administrator/database programmer, so my  
list is a bit skewed towards that end, and this list does not include  
the many of the well-known tools everyone should have in their  
arsenal: Carbon Copy Cloner, Firefox, Graphic Converter, etc, but  
these are the ones I find very useful that you may or may not know  
about:

(google the name + 'OS X' to find them...I'm being lazy)

Menu Meters: as mentioned, like a full set of dash gauges for your  
computer.

TextWrangler: free text editor from BBEdit, handles all my text needs,  
programming, file laundering,  data extraction.

Terminal: comes with OS X, right now I have 8 terminal windows open.  
The best thing to happen to the Mac EVER!! was getting a nice  
chocolaty Mac in my crunchy peanut butter Unix. :-)

DBVisualizer: If you do any work at all with databases, this is an  
invaluable tool. I manage an Oracle instance, two SQL server, and two  
MYSql databases all through the same unified interface.

Quicktime Pro, Perian, Flip4Mac: the all-in-one media viewing and  
conversion toolkit for Macs.

FFMPegX : Another media conversion toolkit for when the above isn't  
all-in-one-ey enough :-)

NetNewsWire: When the Safari RSS hole was announced, I switched over  
to this program for all my RSS needs, and I found out why people have  
been raving about it for a long time.

MacFUSE: Makes any number of things appear as a file system, and hence  
a mountable volume. Want to access your Google Mail as a file server?  
Want to turn any ssh connection into a mountable volume? Want a  
continually updated volume with screenshots of every open window on  
your system (GrabFS)?

There's a MacFuse file system for that.

Biggest plus? In conjunction with NTFS-3G, it makes NTFS volumes read/ 
write on OSX.

TNEF's Enough: a little utility app I only use once in a while, but  
it's a lifesaver nonetheless: lets you into those infuriating  
windows.dat files Exchange users inflict on the rest of the world.

TinyURL service. This one I'll include the link because the only place  
to get it is on a web forum.... Install it  
and you can highlight a url in any Services-aware program, and replace  
it with a tinyurl, or convert it to a tinyurl and puts it on the  
clipboard. Really useful. If I could find a way of putting the  
services menu in my contextual menu I'd be even happier.

CoRD: Open source MS Remote Desktop application for OS X. Lets me  
connect to our windows servers many at a time, with full copy/paste  
functionality. Back when I started using this MS'es own client for OS  
X 'Remote Desktop Connection' worked well, but was seriously limited,  
the main one being hat you could connect to only one remote system at  
a time. They've since released a completely overhauled version that I  
do use from time to time.

Not critical, but cool apps that should be noted:

WriteRoom: If you ever have to just sit down and write...this is the  
tool you need. Nothing but screen and text.

Beautiful Dorena: An art doodling application by the original author  
of KidPix. KidPix all grown up

CosmoPod: Suck flash video off of web pages like Youtube and many  
other sites, turn em into .mov files.

-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Re: fans on G5 - off to the races!

[MacGuy]

On Mar 16, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 11:18 AM, nestamicky wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Bruce, I would really be interested in knowing what the rest of  
>>> those
>>> "must have apps" are. Jeff
>>>
>> I really would too..Bruce...what are they...make 'em  
>> 10downloading
>> Menu Meters this instant
>
> Everyone's 'must have' applications list is a bit different: these are
> a random sample of programs I  install on every computer I use...bear
> in mind that I'm a system administrator/database programmer, so my
> list is a bit skewed towards that end, and this list does not include
> the many of the well-known tools everyone should have in their
> arsenal: Carbon Copy Cloner, Firefox, Graphic Converter, etc, but
> these are the ones I find very useful that you may or may not know
> about:
>

Wow, thanks Bruce! Although most of these I'll probably never use,  
there were 3-4 that look really useful. Thanks! Jeff

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Re: Thermal grease?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Bruce Johnson <
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu> wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:17 AM, John Callahan wrote:
>
> >
> > At last, a voice of reason and acuity in this exercise in tedium.
> > Also I take issue with this statement "the exhaust manifold comes off
> > the sides of the engine, not down the middle..." Never saw an engine
> > (V8) with the exhaust down the middle.
>
>
>
> Mis-statement on my part:
>
> "The intake manifold fed both banks from inside the Vee but the
> exhaust had to pass between the cylinders to reach the outboard
> exhaust manifolds."
>
>  From 
>
> It's because the valves are in the block, rather than in the cylinder
> head as on most designs
>
> See this photo:
>
> 
>
> This meant that not only is precious intercylinder space taken up by
> exhaust porting rather than cooling channels, heat is transferred from
> the exhaust back to the block.
>
>
>
> ___



I was going to say something about that too Bruce but restrained myself as
we kinda get into pecking parties at times. But interesting to learn you
know about old engines.

In a recent issue of Old School Rodz they had an oddball flathead rod from
Finland.

A '26 T is powered by a 348 cube Cadillac tank engine from a WWW II Stuart.
The exhaust exits between the intake runners at the top of the engine. good
for the cylinders, but maybe not for keeping the intake charge cool.

Also of interest was the matching water cooled hydramatic transmission that
the guy left uncovered and painted to match a body color. ( Rat rods are
like that )

He had of course custom headers and a carb setup. I had never seen this
engine before this, A unique rod engine indeed.

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White MacBook Purchase?

[Dennis Myhand]

Well, the tax refund is here and my wife just asked if we could get her 
a white Mac Book.  I am stunned and pleased.  Is there anything about 
the bottom end of the Mac Books I should know which would keep me from 
making the purchase?  She is wanting this to fill her desire for a net 
book.  She will mostly use this for web surfing, e-mail and working with 
languages.  She does like listening to foreign language music (We are 
Norte Americanos, but my wife speaks several languages) on some of the 
web sites she goes to.  Opinions?  Observations? Appeals to rational 
thought?  Speak thy minds, please.  Thanks, Dennis

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Re: White MacBook Purchase?

[MacGuy]

On Mar 16, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

>
> Well, the tax refund is here and my wife just asked if we could get  
> her
> a white Mac Book.  I am stunned and pleased.  Is there anything about
> the bottom end of the Mac Books I should know which would keep me from
> making the purchase?  She is wanting this to fill her desire for a net
> book.  She will mostly use this for web surfing, e-mail and working  
> with
> languages.  She does like listening to foreign language music (We are
> Norte Americanos, but my wife speaks several languages) on some of the
> web sites she goes to.  Opinions?  Observations? Appeals to rational
> thought?  Speak thy minds, please.  Thanks, Dennis
>

I've seen a lot of the white macbooks one solitary thing they  
look dingy dirty real fast. Why apple ever made a white macbook is  
beyond me. Three days after you have it, it'll look like you've had it  
two years, just my opinion. Jeff 

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Re: I'm new here but an avid fan already and this is most helpful, thanks!

[Anne Brataas]

Dear group,

Thanks for all your helpfulness. I'm new here, managing my 7 Macs,  
ranging from an ibook G3 to QuickSilver 2002 to 3.06 24 inch GHz  
imac,  and your posts are really insightful.

Thanks so much,

Best,

Anne


On Mar 16, 2009, at 4:55 PM, MacGuy wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2009, at 11:18 AM, nestamicky wrote:
>>

 Bruce, I would really be interested in knowing what the rest of
 those
 "must have apps" are. Jeff

>>> I really would too..Bruce...what are they...make 'em
>>> 10downloading
>>> Menu Meters this instant
>>
>> Everyone's 'must have' applications list is a bit different: these  
>> are
>> a random sample of programs I  install on every computer I use...bear
>> in mind that I'm a system administrator/database programmer, so my
>> list is a bit skewed towards that end, and this list does not include
>> the many of the well-known tools everyone should have in their
>> arsenal: Carbon Copy Cloner, Firefox, Graphic Converter, etc, but
>> these are the ones I find very useful that you may or may not know
>> about:
>>
>
> Wow, thanks Bruce! Although most of these I'll probably never use,
> there were 3-4 that look really useful. Thanks! Jeff
>
> >


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Apolgies

[Dennis Myhand]

My apologies to the list for the off topic post.  Offense was not the 
intent.

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Re: Thermal grease?

[glen]

>

> At last, a voice of reason and acuity in this exercise in tedium.
> Also I take issue with this statement "the exhaust manifold comes off
> the sides of the engine, not down the middle..." Never saw an engine
> (V8) with the exhaust down the middle.

Mis-statement on my part:

"The intake manifold fed both banks from inside the Vee but the
exhaust had to pass between the cylinders to reach the outboard
exhaust manifolds."

 From 

It's because the valves are in the block, rather than in the cylinder
head as on most designs

See this photo:



This meant that not only is precious intercylinder space taken up by
exhaust porting rather than cooling channels, heat is transferred from
the exhaust back to the block.
--
My reply:

One last OT comment since this seems to be such a topic of interest, at least 
to some.

Bruce is correct as usual as to the many advantages of the OHV small block 
Chevy engine over the old Flathead Ford. I attempted use the old ford engine as 
an example in  thermal paste/grease discussion.

Gosh, this was 45 years ago. At 16 years of age I had a very limited budget and 
got the Flathead for a song. Then I realized the Ford engine just would not be 
enough power for my teenage angst. So after a trip  to the local recking yard I 
got the Chevy engine.  Promptly bored it out and re-camed it, rebuilt it and 
added two BIG carbs (too big).

I could not afford decent headers on the Chevy so I kept the stock ones. Also 
the neighborhood hot rodder was much more extreme putting 426 hemi in in a 30 
something Dodge coupe. Then drag racing it on an unopened section of the 
recently constructed I-95. Talk about Ba*ls.

If anyone wants more info contact me off list. I probably can fine I photo I 
can scan and provide any additional info if anyone (I doubt) is interested. 

Anyway dinner is waiting and most go now.--glen


  
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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[Al Poulin]

On Mar 15, 12:17 am, Paul  wrote:
> > 1) Dual 1.0 GHz G4 -- 60 minutes [ 10.4.11, 1.5 GB 133 MHz RAM ]
>
> > 2) Core 2 Duo E8400 running at 3.6 GHz -- 12.5 minutes (4.8 times as  
> > fast) [ 10.5.5, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ]
>
> > 3) Core 2 Quad Q9400 running at 3.2 GHz -- 10 minutes ( 6 times as  
> > fast) [ 10.5.6, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ]
>
> How would a low-to-medium grade G5 compare?

It may help to look here:
http://www.macintouch.com/reviews/macpro/benchmarks.html

Google other benchmarking sites with "Macintosh Benchmarks" or similar
terms.

Al Poulin

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Re: White MacBook Purchase?

[Mike Baker]

Maybe, but it doesn't have the sharp edges the aluminum unibody MacBook has, 
and you could buy the low end stock model for $999 to accomplish what she wants 
to do with it. I would probably have Apple put in the extra 2GB RAM, or do it 
myself, and get a bigger hard drive than 120 GB.

--- On Mon, 3/16/09, MacGuy  wrote:

> From: MacGuy 
> Subject: Re: White MacBook Purchase?
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 7:02 PM
> 
> 
> On Mar 16, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:
> 
> >
> > Well, the tax refund is here and my wife just asked if
> we could get  
> > her
> > a white Mac Book.  I am stunned and
> pleased.  Is there anything about
> > the bottom end of the Mac Books I should know which
> would keep me from
> > making the purchase?  She is wanting this to fill
> her desire for a net
> > book.  She will mostly use this for web surfing,
> e-mail and working  
> > with
> > languages.  She does like listening to foreign
> language music (We are
> > Norte Americanos, but my wife speaks several
> languages) on some of the
> > web sites she goes to.  Opinions? 
> Observations? Appeals to rational
> > thought?  Speak thy minds, please.  Thanks,
> Dennis
> >
> 
> I've seen a lot of the white macbooks one solitary
> thing they  
> look dingy dirty real fast. Why apple ever made a white
> macbook is  
> beyond me. Three days after you have it, it'll look like
> you've had it  
> two years, just my opinion. Jeff 
> 
> > 
> 


  

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Re: White MacBook Purchase?

[jonas ulrich]

The cases definitely were not built to last. A plastic piece just broke off
my teacher's macbook. The palm rests show allot of wear. They definitely are
inexpensive. If you get an earlier model you can get them for like $500. I
would almost go for a later powerbook.-Jonas

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Mike Baker  wrote:

>
>
> Maybe, but it doesn't have the sharp edges the aluminum unibody MacBook
> has, and you could buy the low end stock model for $999 to accomplish what
> she wants to do with it. I would probably have Apple put in the extra 2GB
> RAM, or do it myself, and get a bigger hard drive than 120 GB.
>
> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, MacGuy  wrote:
>
> > From: MacGuy 
> > Subject: Re: White MacBook Purchase?
> > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 7:02 PM
> >
> >
> > On Mar 16, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Well, the tax refund is here and my wife just asked if
> > we could get
> > > her
> > > a white Mac Book.  I am stunned and
> > pleased.  Is there anything about
> > > the bottom end of the Mac Books I should know which
> > would keep me from
> > > making the purchase?  She is wanting this to fill
> > her desire for a net
> > > book.  She will mostly use this for web surfing,
> > e-mail and working
> > > with
> > > languages.  She does like listening to foreign
> > language music (We are
> > > Norte Americanos, but my wife speaks several
> > languages) on some of the
> > > web sites she goes to.  Opinions?
> > Observations? Appeals to rational
> > > thought?  Speak thy minds, please.  Thanks,
> > Dennis
> > >
> >
> > I've seen a lot of the white macbooks one solitary
> > thing they
> > look dingy dirty real fast. Why apple ever made a white
> > macbook is
> > beyond me. Three days after you have it, it'll look like
> > you've had it
> > two years, just my opinion. Jeff
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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Re: White MacBook Purchase?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

>
> Well, the tax refund is here and my wife just asked if we could get her
> a white Mac Book.  I am stunned and pleased.  Is there anything about
> the bottom end of the Mac Books I should know which would keep me from
> making the purchase?  She is wanting this to fill her desire for a net
> book.  She will mostly use this for web surfing, e-mail and working with
> languages.  She does like listening to foreign language music (We are
> Norte Americanos, but my wife speaks several languages) on some of the
> web sites she goes to.  Opinions?  Observations? Appeals to rational
> thought?  Speak thy minds, please.  Thanks, Dennis
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Giving a wife what she wants even if it gets dingy looking in 2 days may
make her happier than
what seems to be a more practical alternative. It will be hers to do with or
vlean as she pleases.
letting her make a decision for herself as long as she understand potential
minuses will mean a lot to her.

She will love you more for honoring her decision.

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Re: White MacBook Purchase?

[MacGuy]

On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:51 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

>  I would almost go for a later powerbook


I second that notion. Jeff

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Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

[Tom]

Years ago, when I was a teenager, I worked in a gas station, and to
show you how long ago this was, we actually put the gas in the
customers' cars for them! They never even had to get out of the car!
And while the car was being gassed up, we also checked the engine oil,
the tire pressure, anything else we were asked to, and of course we
always cleaned the windshields (I know this sounds fantastic to the
current generation, who will accuse me of lying, but honest, you
really did get service like that, at ALL gas stations up through about
the late 1970s, when civilization declined into self-serve
everything).

It was while washing the windshields that I became acquainted with the
ugliness of cigarette smoke residue. I don't know how many drivers who
smoked asked me if I could please try to get some of that cloudy gumbo
off the inside of their windshield, so they could see through it a
little better. They would get out of the car, I would get in with my
spray bottle of cleaner and rag, and I'd spray and rub and spray and
rub trying to get that sticky, awful goo off the glass. And mostly all
I accomplished was to smear it around. We never found anything that
could really get it off. If anything confirmed my decision never to
smoke, that was it. Knowing that the inside of a smoker's lungs was
coated with that same filthy goo, even worse than the windshields,
drove home the health hazards of tobacco, as if the stinking clothes
of the driver and the smelly upholstery of his car weren't enough.

Trying to get that crud out of the inside of a computer, where fans
have sucked it in and deposited it all over, must be a real chore, if
it's really possible at all (how can you scrub or even wipe off all
those tiny electronic components). It sounds like all the disassembly
and monkeying around with the computer's parts might be as detrimental
to its workings as the smoke residue.

I would never knowingly buy the computer of a smoker.
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