Re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card

[Arnel Tuazon]

On 19/06/09 10:11 PM, "ah...clem"  wrote:

> 
> new to this topic.  perhaps i missed it in the deluge of replies, but
> it seems no one addressed the point of cost vs protocol (b or n).  you
> said in your original post that you'll be using it with an airport
> extreme base station, but you neglected to say what other computers/
> peripherals are connected to the base station.  if all you are doing
> is connecting the base station to a DSL modem or a shared printer, and
> to other computers which are basically independent clients of the DSL
> and/or printer, then the older, cheaper, 802.11b card is already
> faster than the DSL, and probably faster than the printer, so you
> won't "see" any discernible difference in performance.  on the other
> hand, if you are multi-tasking jobs, parallel processing, or otherwise
> transferring large amounts of data or huge files between computers
> constantly, then the faster card (n designation) will seem like day
> and night.

The base station is connected to my DSL modem and my HP laserjet printer.  I
have one Macbook Pro and G3 iBook connected via Airport to the base station
as well as a dual core G5 and an IBM PC with XP.  I'm going to also connect
my B&W via ethernet to act as a central backup system/print server (inkjet
printer).  The Airport card or 3rd party PCI card will be for my daughter's
G4 that I just upgraded. I'll be using Tiger and Leopard among the Mac
systems.

The price itself is not a factor since either one will cost the same.  I
just wanted to know if people experienced problems using a PCI wireless card
either with Airport drivers or 3rd party OS X drivers.

Thanks!



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Re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card

[Arnel Tuazon]

On 20/06/09 12:21 AM, "iJohn"  wrote:

> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:11 PM, ah...clem wrote:
>> 
>> new to this topic.  perhaps i missed it in the deluge of replies, but
>> it seems no one addressed the point of cost vs protocol (b or n).
>> 
>> if all you are doing
>> is connecting the base station to a DSL modem or a shared printer, and
>> to other computers which are basically independent clients of the DSL
>> and/or printer, then the older, cheaper, 802.11b card is already
>> faster than the DSL, and probably faster than the printer, so you
>> won't "see" any discernible difference in performance.
> 
> I think I understand the point you're trying to make, but I also think
> I disagree with it.
> 
> While on paper an 802.11b connection may be more than enough to handle
> the throughput of a DSL connection, it also doesn't leave a lot of
> buffer space.
> 
> If the computer is always going to be 10 feet from the router with no
> signal barriers and the max throughput will always be limited to that
> of a DSL connection, then wireless b may be fine.
> 
> But what if he decides to move the router or computer so they are now
> separated by a room or two or three. Suddenly what was borderline
> adequate becomes noticeably inadequate.
> 
> Another reason IMO to avoid these ancient 802.11b devices is because
> the only security they may support is WEP. WEP has become such a joke
> that I believe no one bothers to talk about how to hack it. Instead
> they focus on finding the *fastest* way to hack it. There are "how to"
> articles out there you can easily find with Google.
> 
>> NEVER buy more horsepower than you are actually using right now.
>> if you ever need more in the future, it will be cheaper (and probably
>> better) then.
> 
> Trying to go for the tightest fit to your current needs can also be a
> false economy. I think a better metric is the cost at the margin. If
> it costs you 5-10% more beyond your base cost to increase your
> performance by more than 100% then it may well be worth it to do that.
>  Penny wise versus pound foolish and all that.
> 
> I really don't know if I'd recommend that the OP go with wireless n at
> this point. He's never really said much about what he expects his
> network to look like. But at this point in time I also couldn't
> justify going with b unless the adapter is a total freebie and he has
> absolutely no concerns about who hacks into his wireless. A good
> enough g adapter is just not that expensive these days.
> 
> -irrational john

OP here, you make some very valid points IJ.  As for the g adapters, they
were about the same price as the n so was thinking why go with g when you
can get n for the same price.  My last post outlined my network.  The G4
will be in the same room as the router so there won't be any concerns with
distance.  Again it's for my daughter's G4 and it's so she can play the
online edutainment games and talk to her godmother in San Diego via Skype or
iChat.  I guess in terms of security you make a good point about WEP.  I may
go with the PCI card then.

Thanks folks!



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last question re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card

[Arnel Tuazon]

Someone mentioned "Broadcom chipset" and it using Airport as the driver.  Is
this true for any wireless adapter?  As long as it has a Broadcom chipset I
can just use Apple's Airport to connect to the base station?

Thanks again for all the help!



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Re: last question re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 5:52 AM, Arnel Tuazon wrote:

> Someone mentioned "Broadcom chipset" and it using Airport as the  
> driver.  Is
> this true for any wireless adapter?  As long as it has a Broadcom  
> chipset I
> can just use Apple's Airport to connect to the base station?

There's a script available that will add most of the 3rd party  
wireless adapter support into the Apple extension so that "Broadcom  
chipset" adapters are recognized as "Airport" (meaning they are fully  
OEM identical to Apple Airport products in usage).

See this page for the script and info:


The current script is called bcm43xx_enabler_0.5.3.sh.zip and is  
listed at the bottom of the page for download (you may need to  
register to download the file).


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Re: [G3-5]Re: Replacing original processor with upgrade card

[MaGioZal]

On 6/19/09 1:54 PM, Jonas Ulrich at  wrote:

> You PAID an apple technician to replace the processor you can get
> 733 processors on ebay for around 20, and it is the easiest thing to
> install. How much did you pay the tech guy? OWC processor upgrades are
> pretty pricey.


Question: is there ZIF processor upgardes for Beige G3 still around?
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: Photo App. suggestion

[MaGioZal]

On 6/19/09 8:16 PM, diane at  wrote:

> I use Photoshop or GraphicConverter for editing


I've got GraphicConverter here, and it is one of the few sharewares that I
would willingly pay for!
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: Photo App. suggestion

[MaGioZal]

On 6/20/09 3:24 AM, Kyle Hansen at  wrote:

> I think I have an older copy of Photoshop I could give you.


As a runner of Mac OS 10.4, I still use sometimes the old Photoshop 3.0 to
make quick, simple image editing.
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: Replacing original processor with upgrade card

[Lawrence David Eden]

>
>
>Question: is there ZIF processor upgardes for Beige G3 still around?
>
>
>
Yes.  Sonnet Encore/ZIF G4

I have one that I used in my Beige for years.  It also fits the B&W 
that I am currently using.  I bought mine at OWC.

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Re: PRAM battery?

[Lawrence David Eden]

>If you have an accessible cold water ground, and that cold water
>system is continuous throughout the premises, you have some hope of
>the ground being reasonably low resistance.
>
>

I'm in need of some education here.  Why is it necessary to consider 
the resistance of the ground?

Thanks,

Larry Eden

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Re: [G3-5]Re: Photo App. suggestion

[Paul Kemner]

Gimp on OS X  is worth a try.
And it's free.

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Re: Safari 4.0

[iJohn]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Dan wrote:
>>  > What inputmanagers, plug-ins, etc have you installed?
>>>  Does the problem still occur when you eliminate them?

Does this help? If you see something you think is worth taking the
time to try omitting I might try it. But I'm not eager to try
eliminating anything in /Library just to "see what happens" ...

In my experience, simply "trying it" is not sufficient to test for
this problem. It's intermittent. It works fine and then it doesn't.
Whatever the pattern might be I haven't picked up on it.

bash-3.2# ls -l /Library/InputManagers
total 0
drwxr-xr-x  4 root  wheel  136 May 26  2008 LCC Scroll Enhancer Loader
bash-3.2# ls -l /Library/Internet?Plug-Ins
total 48
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 Mar 22 23:14 AdobePDFViewer.plugin
drwxrwxrwx  2 GhostMonk  admin68 Feb 27 10:08 Disabled Plug-Ins
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 May 13 02:51 Flash Player.plugin
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 Aug 15  2008 Flip4Mac WMV Plugin.plugin
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 Aug 15  2008 Flip4Mac WMV Plugin.webplugin
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root   admin76 Jun 16 01:15
JavaPluginCocoa.bundle ->
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Resources/JavaPluginCocoa.bundle
-rwxrwxr-x@ 1 root   admin  4752 Feb  7  2006 NP-PPC-Dir-Shockwave
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 Sep 24  2007 Quartz Composer.webplugin
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 Jun 18 23:22 QuickTime Plugin.plugin
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 Jun 14  2008 QuickTime Plugin.webplugin
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 Jan 15 08:21 Silverlight.plugin
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 Dec 12  2007 VerifiedDownloadPlugin.plugin
-rw-r--r--  1 root   admin   856 Feb  5 22:12 flashplayer.xpt
drwxrwxr-x  3 root   admin   102 Jul 14  2008 iPhotoPhotocast.plugin
-rw-rw-r--  1 root   admin  2394 May 27 21:43 nsIQTScriptablePlugin.xpt
bash-3.2# ls -l /Users/GhostMonk/Library/InputManagers
ls: /Users/GhostMonk/Library/InputManagers: No such file or directory
bash-3.2# ls -l /Users/GhostMonk/Library/Internet?Plug-Ins
total 0
drwxr-xr-x  3 GhostMonk  admin  102 Mar  9 13:28 Move-Media-Player.plugin
bash-3.2#

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Re: last question re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card

[Jason Brown]

I have a question on this. Does anyone know of a good pci card that  
supports wireless N that is recognized as an airport extreme card to  
os x? If you know it, I would like the make, and model of the card.  
Thank you in advance. =)

On Jun 20, 2009, at 6:02 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On Jun 20, 2009, at 5:52 AM, Arnel Tuazon wrote:
>
>> Someone mentioned "Broadcom chipset" and it using Airport as the
>> driver.  Is
>> this true for any wireless adapter?  As long as it has a Broadcom
>> chipset I
>> can just use Apple's Airport to connect to the base station?
>
> There's a script available that will add most of the 3rd party
> wireless adapter support into the Apple extension so that "Broadcom
> chipset" adapters are recognized as "Airport" (meaning they are fully
> OEM identical to Apple Airport products in usage).
>
> See this page for the script and info:
> 
>
> The current script is called bcm43xx_enabler_0.5.3.sh.zip and is
> listed at the bottom of the page for download (you may need to
> register to download the file).
>
>
> >


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Re: Replacing original processor with upgrade card

[Zaphod]

On Jun 19, 11:54 am, Jonas Ulrich  wrote:
> You PAID an apple technician to replace the processor

Actually, that happened about five or so years ago. It was my only
computer and I didn't know what was wrong with it. I was really
hesitant to get into something like that myself. I did put more memory
and a card in it, but, to me, replacing the processor was a bit too
much at that time. Now I have a two more Macs I can use as backups,
and I regularly synchronize the main Mac to an external HD as well as
a DVD backup.

Fred

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Re: PRAM battery?

[insightinmind]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

>
>
>> If you have an accessible cold water ground, and that cold water
>> system is continuous throughout the premises, you have some hope of
>> the ground being reasonably low resistance.
>>
>>
>
> I'm in need of some education here.  Why is it necessary to consider
> the resistance of the ground?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Eden


I'm a layman when it comes to electrical things, but, AFAIK,  
electricity likes to travel the path of least resistance ... if it  
had to choose me or a cold water pipe, it would probably choose me if  
I were as grounded as the cold water pipe.

>> and that cold water
>> system is continuous throughout the premises

AFAIK, again ... the more contacts with the ground, as in Mother  
Earth, the more likely it is to choose her.

Better her than me.

Bill Connelly
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Re: Dell 24" monitor on sale for $219--good deal or no?

[tonycd]

Not that good. I recently got a Hanns-G 22" for $160 (Newegg, I
think), and it's just spectacular. Samsung, which seems to be at or
near the gold standard in this category, is also showing up well under
$200 at Costco. I almost wish I'd waited.

Be sure you need all 24 inches -- 22 is really big. Compared to my old
17-inch CRT, it feels like home theater.

On Jun 20, 1:17 am, mark ray  wrote:
> Here's the link: . Does Dell make good
> quality monitors? Anybody got one of these, and can report on it?
>
> Tom
>
> Can't speak to the quality of this specific model. I do have the DELL
> 2405FPW and I am very happy with it, been 3-4 years and not a problem.
> I paid about $450, I got a deal then.
>
> mark ray
> bluellama...@embarqmail.com
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How to install Starcraft

[m.smurph001]

I've tried to install Starcraft on my Digital Audio G4. I try to run  
the installer program from the CD and I get an error message saying I  
need to run the program from the original CD, which is in the machine  
and on the desktop.

I am running OS X 10.4.11. I have installed 1.6Mhz processor upgrade.  
When I installed it I ran the installation CD which came with it and  
apparently I didn't update the rom so it will boot into OS 9. It will  
run OS 9 from OS X. I'm not sure what this has to do with it. Like I  
say I am getting an error message telling me to install from the  
Starcraft CD, which is what I'm running the installation program from.

Thanks
I forgot my handle

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Re: How to install Starcraft

[Mel]

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, m.smurph001  wrote:

From: m.smurph001 
Subject: How to install Starcraft
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:15 AM


I've tried to install Starcraft on my Digital Audio G4. I try to run  
the installer program from the CD and I get an error message saying I  
need to run the program from the original CD, which is in the machine  
and on the desktop.

I am running OS X 10.4.11. I have installed 1.6Mhz processor upgrade.  
When I installed it I ran the installation CD which came with it and  
apparently I didn't update the rom so it will boot into OS 9. It will  
run OS 9 from OS X. I'm not sure what this has to do with it. Like I  
say I am getting an error message telling me to install from the  
Starcraft CD, which is what I'm running the installation program from.

Thanks
I forgot my handle

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What 1.6Mhz processor upgrade did you install on your DA?  

Mel



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Re: How to install Starcraft

[insightinmind]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 1:15 PM, m.smurph001 wrote:

>
> I've tried to install Starcraft on my Digital Audio G4. I try to run
> the installer program from the CD and I get an error message saying I
> need to run the program from the original CD, which is in the machine
> and on the desktop.
>
> I am running OS X 10.4.11. I have installed 1.6Mhz processor upgrade.
> When I installed it I ran the installation CD which came with it and
> apparently I didn't update the rom so it will boot into OS 9. It will
> run OS 9 from OS X. I'm not sure what this has to do with it. Like I
> say I am getting an error message telling me to install from the
> Starcraft CD, which is what I'm running the installation program from.


I don't know anything about Starcraft ... but is it an OS 9  
application? Most often you need to be booted into OS 9 to install  
something for OS 9. Classic OS 9 does not/may not work ... Classic OS  
9 is not the same thing as being booted into OS 9 when it comes to  
installations. Now sometimes it does work ... but reread the  
documentation, and if it says you need to be booted into OS 9 ...  
then ...

Then there's the OS 9 large drive limitations if you're running one >  
128GB under OS X ...

Just some thoughts ... wait for a guru or Starcraftier person ...

Bill Connelly
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Re: How to install Starcraft

[J Beaver]

Starcraft was released way back in the day before OSX even existed, however
blizzard did release a Native OSX installer a few years back. You can find
it via a quick google search under the words Starcraft OSX Installer.
Another option would be to goto battle.net and create an account. After you
create your account register your Starcraft CD key online.This will allow
you to download the starcraft game completely to your hard drive without the
need for a CD or ISO mounted.

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 20, 2009, at 1:15 PM, m.smurph001 wrote:
>
> >
> > I've tried to install Starcraft on my Digital Audio G4. I try to run
> > the installer program from the CD and I get an error message saying I
> > need to run the program from the original CD, which is in the machine
> > and on the desktop.
> >
> > I am running OS X 10.4.11. I have installed 1.6Mhz processor upgrade.
> > When I installed it I ran the installation CD which came with it and
> > apparently I didn't update the rom so it will boot into OS 9. It will
> > run OS 9 from OS X. I'm not sure what this has to do with it. Like I
> > say I am getting an error message telling me to install from the
> > Starcraft CD, which is what I'm running the installation program from.
>
>
> I don't know anything about Starcraft ... but is it an OS 9
> application? Most often you need to be booted into OS 9 to install
> something for OS 9. Classic OS 9 does not/may not work ... Classic OS
> 9 is not the same thing as being booted into OS 9 when it comes to
> installations. Now sometimes it does work ... but reread the
> documentation, and if it says you need to be booted into OS 9 ...
> then ...
>
> Then there's the OS 9 large drive limitations if you're running one >
> 128GB under OS X ...
>
> Just some thoughts ... wait for a guru or Starcraftier person ...
>
> Bill Connelly
> artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio
> myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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Steve Jobs had liver transplant

[Bruce]

Reports: Apple CEO Steve Jobs had liver transplant

By CANDICE CHOI – 1 hour ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Apple Inc. co-founder and CEO Steve Jobs, whose recovery 
from pancreatic cancer appeared less certain when he had to take medical 
leave in January, received a liver transplant two months ago but is 
recovering well, The Wall Street Journal reported Saturday.

The newspaper didn't reveal a source for the report, which comes as Jobs, 
54, is expected back in his day-to-day duties at the company shortly. CNBC 
said later that it had confirmed the Journal's account, which said Jobs had 
the transplant performed in Tennessee.

Apple spokesman Steve Dowling told The Associated Press he had no comment. 
Dowling reiterated what has become Apple's standard line about the CEO's 
health, that "Steve continues to look forward to returning to Apple at the 
end of June and there is nothing further to say."

Few CEOs are considered as instrumental to their companies as Jobs has been 
to Apple since he returned in 1997 after a 12-year hiatus. With Jobs 
serving as head showman and demanding elegance in product design, Apple has 
expanded from a niche computer maker to become the dominant producer of 
portable music players and a huge player in the cell phone business. News 
and rumors about his health send Apple stock soaring or plunging.

Jobs disclosed in August 2004 that he had been diagnosed with — and cured 
of — a rare form of pancreatic cancer called an islet cell neuroendocrine 
tumor.

According to the National Institutes of Health, treatment for that form of 
pancreatic cancer can include the removal of a portion of the liver if the 
cancer spreads. The cancer is curable if the tumors are removed before they 
spread to other organs.

It's likely that Jobs had part or all of his pancreas removed to "cure" his 
cancer in 2004, said Dr. Lewis Teperman, vice chair of surgery and director 
of transplantation at NYU Langone Medical Center in New York City.

Patients who have part or all of their pancreas removed usually get 
diabetes, which is treated with medication. Patients often lose weight as a 
result as well.

After the pancreas, the liver is the "next stop" for a tumor since blood 
drains from the one organ to the other, said Teperman, who did not treat Jobs.

Since the type of pancreatic cancer Jobs had is "slow growing," it's likely 
microscopic cells went undetected and traveled to the liver, Teperman said. 
Tumors often "stop" at the liver, he said, although it's possible they can 
spread beyond it.

The risk for liver cancer patients who get transplants is that the cancer 
will return in the new liver.

This can happen if undetected cancer cells are hiding out elsewhere in the 
body, Teperman said. He said there's no way to predict the likelihood of 
this occurring without knowing the extent of the initial cancer.

The five-year survival rate for organ transplants is around 75 percent, but 
falls among older recipients, according to the United Network for Organ 
Sharing, which manages transplants in the U.S.

Transplant patients must take medications for the rest of their lives to 
prevent rejection.

Since there is no residency requirement for transplants, Jobs might have 
traveled to Tennessee to shorten his wait for a liver. According to the 
organ network, there were 295 newly listed patients in Tennessee last year 
and 1,615 in California.

Wait times for transplants depend on the urgency of the patient's 
condition. Those in most critical need generally get transplanted within 10 
days regardless of geography, said Joel Newman, a UNOS spokesman.

For less urgent cases, however, he said there's a greater variance in wait 
times, depending on a person's location.

Shorter waiting lists aren't the only reason to travel for a transplant, 
however.

"A lot of people who travel for a transplant will look at the center's 
survival rate or whether it specializes in certain conditions," Newman said.

Jobs' gaunt appearance last year fueled speculation that his health was 
worsening.

On Jan. 5 of this year, he said he had a treatable hormone imbalance and 
that he would continue to run the company. The following week, however, 
Jobs went on leave and said his medical problems were "more complex" than 
he had thought. Apple's chief operating officer, Tim Cook, took over daily 
duties.

Speculation about Jobs' health has been fueled by the Cupertino, 
Calif.-based company's practice of keeping such information under wraps.

Apple waited until after Jobs underwent his cancer surgery in 2004 before 
alerting investors. Last summer, the company insisted his thinner 
appearance was due to a common bug.

After Apple announced Jobs' medical leave in January, the company's shares 
slid 7 percent to $79.15, near a 52-week low. Since then, however, as 
Apple's business has remained sturdy even in the recession, and investors 
have become comfortable with Cook leading the daily operations, Apple 
shares have been among t

Re: Steve Jobs had liver transplant

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Bruce wrote:

> Reports: Apple CEO Steve Jobs had liver transplant

I think about the two livers wasted on Mickey Mantle, the selfishness.  
As I understand it now, Steve Jobs gamed the system by going to  
Tennessee, the state with the shortest liver transplant waiting list,  
rather than waiting in line in his home state of California. If this  
is true, perhaps he should consider moving himself and Apple to  
Tennessee once he recovers?

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Re: Steve Jobs had liver transplant

[PeterH]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>> Reports: Apple CEO Steve Jobs had liver transplant
>
> I think about the two livers wasted on Mickey Mantle, the selfishness.
> As I understand it now, Steve Jobs gamed the system by going to
> Tennessee, the state with the shortest liver transplant waiting list,
> rather than waiting in line in his home state of California. If this
> is true, perhaps he should consider moving himself and Apple to
> Tennessee once he recovers?

I don't see this as "gaming" as the UNOS system is supposed to  
provide organs to the most needy applicable patients, not the  
patients which are particularly situated in certain under-served states.

Otherwise, everyone needing an organ would be moving to Tennessee.


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Re: Steve Jobs had liver transplant

[Peter]

If I would need a transplant I also would go to the Hospital with the shortest 
waiting list. Nothing wrong with that.
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Re: Steve Jobs had liver transplant

[Alex Smith (K4RNT)]

I wouldn't mind, I live here... :)

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
> On Jun 20, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>> Reports: Apple CEO Steve Jobs had liver transplant
>
> I think about the two livers wasted on Mickey Mantle, the selfishness.
> As I understand it now, Steve Jobs gamed the system by going to
> Tennessee, the state with the shortest liver transplant waiting list,
> rather than waiting in line in his home state of California. If this
> is true, perhaps he should consider moving himself and Apple to
> Tennessee once he recovers?

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Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[Matthew Burks]

A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or
another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board
into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that?

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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[PeterH]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Burks wrote:

> A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or
> another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board
> into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that?

Apple made two fast dual processor boards which are usable on Digital  
Audios: dual 800 MHz (QS 2001) and dual 1.0 GHz (QS 2002). Both of  
these required a special power cable adapter.

Apple also made a slow dual processor board for a Digital Audio: dual  
533 MHz (DA). This did not require any power adapter.

I can see no way that a dual 533 could be run at 933.

It is theoretically possible to "down-clock" an 1000 or overclock an  
800.

However, although the dual 800 and the dual 1000 processors were made  
using the very same "raw" board, there are major differences between  
the dual 800 and the dual 1000.

The components which are apparently missing on a dual 800 are present  
on a dual 1000, and the components which are apparently missing on a  
dual 1000 are present on a dual 800.

In this way, Apple make it impossible to convert a dual 800 to a dual  
1000 (or any frequency above 800), or to convert a dual 1000 to a  
dual 800 (or any frequency below 1000).



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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[Jonas Ulrich]

I've heard of people, and know some people who run quicksilver dual
processors in digital audio powermacs.

-Jonas

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM, PeterH wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Burks wrote:
>
>> A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or
>> another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board
>> into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that?
>
> Apple made two fast dual processor boards which are usable on Digital
> Audios: dual 800 MHz (QS 2001) and dual 1.0 GHz (QS 2002). Both of
> these required a special power cable adapter.
>
> Apple also made a slow dual processor board for a Digital Audio: dual
> 533 MHz (DA). This did not require any power adapter.
>
> I can see no way that a dual 533 could be run at 933.
>
> It is theoretically possible to "down-clock" an 1000 or overclock an
> 800.
>
> However, although the dual 800 and the dual 1000 processors were made
> using the very same "raw" board, there are major differences between
> the dual 800 and the dual 1000.
>
> The components which are apparently missing on a dual 800 are present
> on a dual 1000, and the components which are apparently missing on a
> dual 1000 are present on a dual 800.
>
> In this way, Apple make it impossible to convert a dual 800 to a dual
> 1000 (or any frequency above 800), or to convert a dual 1000 to a
> dual 800 (or any frequency below 1000).
>
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[Matthew Burks]

So what would I need to purchase to make my 533mhz a dual 800mhz or dual
1000mhz?

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:03 PM, PeterH  wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Burks wrote:
>
> > A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or
> > another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board
> > into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that?
>
> Apple made two fast dual processor boards which are usable on Digital
> Audios: dual 800 MHz (QS 2001) and dual 1.0 GHz (QS 2002). Both of
> these required a special power cable adapter.
>
> Apple also made a slow dual processor board for a Digital Audio: dual
> 533 MHz (DA). This did not require any power adapter.
>
> I can see no way that a dual 533 could be run at 933.
>
> It is theoretically possible to "down-clock" an 1000 or overclock an
> 800.
>
> However, although the dual 800 and the dual 1000 processors were made
> using the very same "raw" board, there are major differences between
> the dual 800 and the dual 1000.
>
> The components which are apparently missing on a dual 800 are present
> on a dual 1000, and the components which are apparently missing on a
> dual 1000 are present on a dual 800.
>
> In this way, Apple make it impossible to convert a dual 800 to a dual
> 1000 (or any frequency above 800), or to convert a dual 1000 to a
> dual 800 (or any frequency below 1000).
>
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[insightinmind]

I have a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, and just bought a DA Dual 533 off eBay.  
You guys aren't talking about me are you? I love them both ...

In researching my new DA, I ran across this LEM article that talks a  
little about a Dual 533 being incorrectly reported as a Dual 933:

http://lowendmac.com/ppc/digital-audio-power-mac-g4.html

Also mentions it is difficult to put an Apple upgrade into a DA,  
since there are 2 Digital Audio mobos (???). You'd probably have to  
go with a 3rd party cpu upgrade?

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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[PeterH]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

> I've heard of people, and know some people who run quicksilver dual
> processors in digital audio powermacs.

Easy as pie, provided you make your own +12 volt power adapter cable.

A QS 2001 dual 800 MHz processor will run at 800 MHz on a Digital Audio.

A QS 2002 dual 1000 MHz processor will run at 1000 MHz on a Digital  
Audio.

So far, I have four dual 1000 MHz DAs in-house, although three of  
these have been replaced by very fast Hackintoshes, most running way  
in excess of 3000 MHz, often with four processors.



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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[PeterH]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Matthew Burks wrote:

> So what would I need to purchase to make my 533mhz a dual 800mhz or  
> dual 1000mhz?

You would need, at a very minimum:

1) a dual 800 or dual 1000 processor,

2) a matching heatsink,

3) a Quicksilver-type fan unit (the DA-type fan unit is not usable), and

4) a special cable which accepts +12 volts and +12 volts return from  
an available hard drive connector and provides:

4a) +12 volts to the "fifth hole" in the QS processor,

4b) +12 volts to the QS fan unit, and

4c) +12 volts return to the QS fan unit.



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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[PeterH]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:17 PM, insightinmind wrote:

> In researching my new DA, I ran across this LEM article that talks a
> little about a Dual 533 being incorrectly reported as a Dual 933:
>
> http://lowendmac.com/ppc/digital-audio-power-mac-g4.html

To quote:

"At least one version of OS X reports the dual 533 MHz Digital Audio  
Power Mac as a dual 933 MHz G4 (11.3). There never was a 933 MHz dual  
G4 from Apple."

Period.

End of story!



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Re: Photo App. suggestion

[Dana Collins]

On 6/19/09 7:01 PM, Bruce Johnson of john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu sent

> 
> 
> On Jun 19, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Dana Collins wrote:
> 
>> my daughter would like to conduct some simple organizing of her
>> photos, maybe a touch up here or there, and was quite flustered trying
>> to use iPhoto. Are there any simple apps out there for easy-to-use
>> situations? To give you a reference, she used HP's "PhotoSmart LE" and
>> liked it; I got her to switch to Mac (got her a Sawtooth w/ 500MHz CPU
>> running Tiger), and she likes that, but now needs this photo utility
>> to fill in the gap.
> 
> Yeesh...If iPhoto's out of the question, just about anything else I
> can think of is, too.
> 
> Google has Picasa for the Mac out now :]
> 
> There's Adobe photoshop Elements, but if iPhoto's too complex, then PE
> is, too.
> 
> Flickr offers some online editing tools.
> 

Thanks to all who contributed a response - I am seeing my daughter tomorrow
to find out what the issue with iPhoto is not recognizing JPEG photo
library, according to her). Frankly, I do not think it is an editing issue,
but rather a tactile one (she doesn't like the "feel" of it) or a directory
issue (doesn't like the way it organizes). As a Dad I can also say there may
be a patience issue, but that's another story altogether, not Mac-related!
Best regards,
Dana



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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[Len Gerstel]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 7:03 PM, PeterH wrote:



> On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Burks wrote:
>
>> A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or
>> another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board
>> into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that?
>
> Apple made two fast dual processor boards which are usable on Digital
> Audios: dual 800 MHz (QS 2001) and dual 1.0 GHz (QS 2002). Both of
> these required a special power cable adapter.

He might have been talking about 3rd party upgrades. According to  
everymac.com

http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/powerlogix/powerforce_g4_133/powerforce_g4_133_933_dual.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/g2qm2

Powerlogix made a dual 933 back in 2003 and probably into 2004.

FWIW, I have a Powerlogix dual 1.2GHz in my DA (originally a 533)  
running Leopard.

Len


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Re: Safari 4.0

[iJohn]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Dan wrote:
> Think isn't good enough.  Be specific.  Try it.  You're talking about
> a GMail function failing on two totally different platforms
> (Safari/WebKit vs Firefox/Gecko), and to be frank, that just doesn't
> make sense.
>

I'm sorry that the bugs that happen to hit me don't bother to make
sense for you. FWIW, it doesn't make any sense to me either. And I'd
just as soon *not* be experiencing this.

Oh, well.

And while this may or may not be true, from my naive way of viewing
things, it's now gone to potentially *three* totally different
platforms. I just ... as in just now a few minutes ago ... experienced
the same problem with Firefox 3.0.11 running in 64-bit Windows 7 on my
desktop machine, a Core 2 Duo E4300 in a Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 with 4GB
of RAM.

At least we know it's not anything specific to a Mac or a MacBook now
... I still have no idea what the problem is, but I'm guessing it
lives somewhere in the upper bowels of Google's gmail implementation.

-irrational john

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GeForce4 MX & Core Image Support (Not?)

[insightinmind]

I recently put my GeForce4 MX in my "new" Digital Audio Dual 533, and  
was at least expecting Software Support for Core Image. Running Tiger  
10.4.11, with PCI Extreme (from a previous setup), now set back to AGP.

But no.

When I restart into my Leopard 10.5.7 clone partition, is says Core  
Image Support, but I don't get any ripple effects when playing with  
adding Widgets to the Dashboard.

Could someone explain what I am missing ... a GPU on the 4MX? I've  
googled, and started a dead end thread on nvidia's forum.

Any G3-G5 help out there?

Bill Connelly
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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[PeterH]

On Jun 20, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:

> Powerlogix made a dual 933 back in 2003 and probably into 2004.
>
> FWIW, I have a Powerlogix dual 1.2GHz in my DA (originally a 533)
> running Leopard.

Sounds right.

Right now, Freescale is making 1.4 MHz and slower G4s, and that's  
about all. Gone are the days of factory 1.5, 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 GHz G4s

Any faster ones are overclocked chips which have been hand-selected  
by the OEM vendor.


There is always a "sweet spot" for price-performance.

At one point, this was 1.2 GHz on third party single G4 replacement  
processors for 100 and 133 MHz bus G4s.

At that particular point, I elected to go with dual 1.0 GHz Apple  
Quicksilver 2002 processors, and I was not disappointed.

That is, until the Intels came out.

I mean, of course, the Hackintosh Intels, not the "Mackintosh" Intels.

After numerous benchmarks of various kinds of CD and DVD authoring  
and duplication, it came down to these basic stats:

1) a greater than 4.7 GB DVD compressed down to within a 4.7 GB DVD  
in about 60 minutes, using a dual 1.0 GHz G4 "Mackintosh" under Tiger  
(10.4.11), and

2) a greater than 4.7 GB DVD compressed down to within a 4.7 GB DVD  
in about 12.5 minutes, using a dual 3.6 GHz C2D or a 3.2 GHz C2Q  
Hackintosh, under Leopard (10.5.6 or 10.5.7).

With a nearly five-to-one advantage (wall clock time) in favor of  
Hackintoshes, I converted all my CD and DVD work over to Hacks.

I still have one dual 1.0 GHz G4 "Mack" in use, primarily for  
Mail.app and also for running the Classic versions of Photoshop and  
Acrobat creator.

Everything else goes on the Hacks.


Also, I have gone away from my 500 MHz Pismo with 1 GB of RAM.

I am now using a OCZ Neutrino (Intel Atom-based "build it yourself"  
Netbook) with 2.0 GB of RAM, built-in WiFi, built-in iCam, built-in  
card reader, builtin Express-34 slot for Firewire and eSATA  
expansion, and all the other goodies one expects from a Netbook  
running Leopard 10.5.7.


http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a <+> A home for the Hackintosh  
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Re: Steve Jobs had liver transplant

[Dan]

At 5:22 PM -0500 6/20/2009, Bruce  wrote:
>
>Reports: Apple CEO Steve Jobs had liver transplant
>
>By CANDICE CHOI - 1 hour ago
>
>NEW YORK (AP) - Apple Inc. co-founder and CEO Steve Jobs, whose recovery
>from pancreatic cancer appeared less certain when he had to take medical
>leave in January, received a liver transplant two months ago but is
>recovering well, The Wall Street Journal reported Saturday.
[snip]
>Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

It is illegal to republish an entire copyrighted 
work, such as the above (now excerpted) article, 
without permission from the copyright owner.

In the future, please post a fair-use excerpt 
ONLY, and perhaps a link to the complete 
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MDD Modem Problems

[Jonas Ulrich]

I have a PowerMac G4 Mirror Drive Doors. DP 867MHZ, 1.75GB Ram, 250GB,
160GB, 80GB, 80GB HD'S, Combo drive, 10 USB Ports.

I have been having modem troubles, I am still on dial up. (regrettably.)
When the computer is first started up it will connect fine and run fine on
the internet. After the computer has been up for several days, it has
trouble connecting. Some times it will say the device isn't ready. If I
continue trying though it will eventually connect and work fine. What is the
problem I never shut this machine down as it is the file server. I have
cleaned the connections on the modem and made sure that it is seated
properly. Thanks

-Jonas

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