Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?
On 7/6/09 2:52 AM, PeterH at peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:27 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The RISC had a lot of promises, but many times hadn't delivered them. It's not the processor, it's the implementation. IBM is making huge quantities of PPC RISCs. Sun is still making its RISCs. Intel's CISCs are doing well. Well, maybe I should write Apple made a lot of promises about the RISC, but didn't delivered many of them. ;-) I remember back in the 90's that in the Spindler era the CISC was accused of being an obsolte chip archicteture which cannot expand well, differently from RISC... -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
If you look on the downloads page, there is also a older version of Disk Inventory X, for Mac OSX 10.2. It is version 0.8 if I recall. http://www.derlien.com/downloads/index.html - Disk Inventory X for 10.2 later. Thanks, Po-en Tsai -- Sent from a PC. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac MDD crashing
Mac Blackouts are usually hardware related and often usb related. If the dead usb port is not shorting check to see if it is damaged. USB's die from usb female plugs being forced in reversed. It can be done. you may want to desolder the outlet. Run the mac on a separate account with minimal add-ons - this should prove stable if not Double click on all hard discs - if they do not respond immediately check that sleep hard discs is off and check again... a drive may be on its way out. Then check ram - by softcheck if u have the software like tech tool, else remove most starting with minimum ram. Check by replacing external usb / fw cables. Cheers geoff b On 06 Jul 2009, at 3:00 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: My friends 1GHZ MDD isn't working. First safari randomly quits. So I did all the updates and installed safari 4. So Safari seems to be working and I'm downloading something and the crash thing comes up and says You need to restart your computer. Hold down the power button for several seconds or press the restart button. It has plenty of ram to run Tiger. 1.38GB. One thing that I noticed is that one of the built in USB ports completely doesn't work. Any ideas? -Jonas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Not Recognizing A CD
Hello, The other day I got the bright idea to reinstall Starcraft on my digital audio G4. The program wouldn't run because it needed to install from the Starcraft CD. What is going on here? The optical drive is a Pioneer OEM DVD burner I got from Other World. It has been giving me error messages when I try to burn CDs of late. I have a processor upgrade which required modifying the boot rom so it can run OS X, which is 10.4.11. I screwed up when I modified the boot rom. This computer can run OS X and it can run system 9 under OS X but it can't boot into system 9. Any ideas here? Smac001 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
BW startup error
I've just bought a Sonnet Encore G4/500 upgrade for my elderly but 100% reliable Rev 1 BW G3/400. (I want to try Mac OS X Server 10.4 on it, and this requires a G4 CPU.) Snag is, when I fit the new chip, the Mac won't boot. I don't get a Sad Mac or a crash tone or anything, just 5 short clear beeps from the speaker. It sounds much more like a PC error beep than a Mac one! I power on, it goes BIP BIP BIP BIP BIP and then just sits there. Replacing the G3, it works fine again. Any ideas, anyone? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW startup error
If I recall correct there is a firmware update that needs to be installed first. Check the website from the Ziff manufacturer. Peter M. Sent with my mobile device --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
If your Smurf is a revision 1, you might not be able to use a larger drive (unless you have an Acard or comparable controller). I had one, and the controller corrupted drives larger than 9.5 GBs. I tried installing OSX 10.2 on a 60 GB drive and a 10 GB drive, and the built in controller corrupted both. I finally tried an old 9.5 GB, and the controller was able to run it without trouble. Paul Riemerman On Jul 5, 11:34 pm, Po-en Tsai poen.t...@gmail.com wrote: If you look on the downloads page, there is also a older version of Disk Inventory X, for Mac OSX 10.2. It is version 0.8 if I recall. http://www.derlien.com/downloads/index.html- Disk Inventory X for 10.2 later. Thanks, Po-en Tsai -- Sent from a PC. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW startup error
From: Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 1:19:03 PM Subject: BW startup error I've just bought a Sonnet Encore G4/500 upgrade for my elderly but 100% reliable Rev 1 BW G3/400. (I want to try Mac OS X Server 10.4 on it, and this requires a G4 CPU.) Snag is, when I fit the new chip, the Mac won't boot. I don't get a Sad Mac or a crash tone or anything, just 5 short clear beeps from the speaker. It sounds much more like a PC error beep than a Mac one! I power on, it goes BIP BIP BIP BIP BIP and then just sits there. Replacing the G3, it works fine again. Any ideas, anyone? _ Apple crippled the BW firmware so it would not take a G4 CPU. There are upgrades to the firmware for Smurfs to permit the installation of a G4 CPU, although it can be a bit fraught. You should be able to find it at http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4CARDS/NewerTechG4z/ or even from OWC's excellent site. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW startup error
I've just bought a Sonnet Encore G4/500 upgrade for my elderly but 100% reliable Rev 1 BW G3/400. (I want to try Mac OS X Server 10.4 on it, and this requires a G4 CPU.) Snag is, when I fit the new chip, the Mac won't boot. I don't get a Sad Mac or a crash tone or anything, just 5 short clear beeps from the speaker. It sounds much more like a PC error beep than a Mac one! I power on, it goes BIP BIP BIP BIP BIP and then just sits there. Replacing the G3, it works fine again. Any ideas, anyone? Did you update the firmware on your BW? Be sure that you follow installation directions exactly or the Sonnet will not work. You should have gotten a CD from Sonnet when you bought your upgrade. The CD contains an installer that will upgrade the firmware on your Mac, and this must be done before you install the Sonnet Encore G4. Hope this helps. Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW startup error
I've just bought a Sonnet Encore G4/500 upgrade for my elderly but 100% reliable Rev 1 BW G3/400. (I want to try Mac OS X Server 10.4 on it, and this requires a G4 CPU.) Snag is, when I fit the new chip, the Mac won't boot. I don't get a Sad Mac or a crash tone or anything, just 5 short clear beeps from the speaker. It sounds much more like a PC error beep than a Mac one! Did you update the firmware on your BW? Be sure that you follow installation directions exactly or the Sonnet will not work. You should have gotten a CD from Sonnet when you bought your upgrade. The CD contains an installer that will upgrade the firmware on your Mac, and this must be done before you install the Sonnet Encore G4. Sonnet has downloads of the Firmware Updater Installer and the SonnetCache Enabler at: http://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/processorupgradecards.html OWC has the Blue White G4 Enabler at: http://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/software.cfm One or the other firmware patches should do the trick. The G4 Enabler needs to be applied in OS 9, not sure about the Sonnet Updater. --glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:36 PM, MaGioZal wrote: Well, maybe I should write Apple made a lot of promises about the RISC, but didn't delivered many of them. ;-) At the risk of restarting the flamewars...it wasn't Apple that didn't deliver. Apple's promises were real, and the RISC design could deliver them, but when your chip suppliers see you as a minor side business taking third or fourth priority to your 'real' business, well, your chip suppliers tend to treat you like shit. After all, their thinking went, where are you going to go? It's not (HA!) like you'll make ANOTHER major change in your strategy, Apple's committed to the PPC platform, right? It'd be far too disruptive to their entire product line to switchlook how long it took them to switch from 68K to PPC and those were similar architectures! I remember back in the 90's that in the Spindler era the CISC was accused of being an obsolte chip archicteture which cannot expand well, differently from RISC... Well, true, as it stood then, (in particular, the aging 8086-80486 design) it couldn't. What happened is that Intel adapted a number of RISC-like features into their CISC designs, which made them competitive. Then they made significant breakthroughs in getting smaller and smaller (hence lower and lower power) device sizes. Intel's modern chips are really hybrids of the two design strategies. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 PowerMac 500MHz Sawtooth won't shut down
On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Timo Virkkala wrote: I'm trying to revive a G4 box. I pulled a hard drive and memory from a working 400MHz Sawtooth into a 500MHz Sawtooth. But it won't shut down from the software. It restarts. I pulled items out of the admin account's Library/StartupItems/ folder. Still does it. Could hard drive jumper settings do this? (I have no jumper installed in the Western Digital drive, right now.) What else could cause this? I've had this happen with flaky USB devices attached. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I've read somewhere if your free hard drive space is less than 50% of the total, you might even have trouble running OS X ... don't know the facts here, but you need more free space just to run OS X ... 10%, not 50% is a good rule of thumb. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
On Jul 4, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Is the hard drive that full? or is he running out of available memory, and thinks the message pertains to the HD in lieu of actual RAM? No, the HD actually has 1.52 GB of free space and then, after a bit the message I get tells me my HD is out of available space. Looking at it I see it says I have 40.8 MB left of free space. You haven't said how much RAM you have, but you're in serious bottleneck territory if it's low. What it sounds like is that your system is rapidly running out of RAM and then filling the 1.52 GB with swap files. with only 1.52 gigs of swap space you can fill that in a heartbeat, if your'e low on RAM. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iMac G5 won't start up?
Serial# W844655LPP8 iMac G5/20/1.8GHz/256/160hd/SD/56k When I push the power button to turn it on, I get a light for approx. 1/2 second then all goes dead. nothing on the screen, no noise... completely turns itself off. Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iMac G5 won't start up? ANSWERED
Dead power supply according to apple service source. Serial# W844655LPP8 iMac G5/20/1.8GHz/256/160hd/SD/56k When I push the power button to turn it on, I get a light for approx. 1/2 second then all goes dead. nothing on the screen, no noise... completely turns itself off. Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 PowerMac 500MHz Sawtooth won't shut down
On Jul 6, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Timo Virkkala wrote: I'm trying to revive a G4 box. I pulled a hard drive and memory from a working 400MHz Sawtooth into a 500MHz Sawtooth. But it won't shut down from the software. It restarts. I pulled items out of the admin account's Library/StartupItems/ folder. Still does it. Could hard drive jumper settings do this? (I have no jumper installed in the Western Digital drive, right now.) What else could cause this? I've had this happen with flaky USB devices attached. - My old, original QS 2002 mobo had a rickety USB port ... I believe it made my KB a flaky USB device when I wasn't careful. Replacing the mobo solved that, too ... and the fried components from the electrical strike ... and possibly a bad eBay purchase a year earlier ... all solved with a $45 Rev B mobo ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac MDD crashing
Are u sure the disk is bootable... did u rec. a disk image? Also how does the mac get 1.38gb ram -? I am beginning to think you might start by backing up and looking toward a new system. Heres what I would recommend. Boot with Tiger os disc and see if there are not any unrepairable errors. If so install a new system and archive the older one. When you repair permissions or the drive - the disk utility sometimes crashes or redlines the fact it is unrepairable. Also check the other drives while you are at it. What Does About this Mac report on the usb ports anything odd? seriously though... start thinking of a new os. Rgds G On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Another problem that has developed: I downloaded the Apple Hardware Test from apple and burned the dmg to a cd. The computer refuses to start off of it. -Jonas On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Geoff Black bla...@telkomsa.net wrote: Mac Blackouts are usually hardware related and often usb related. If the dead usb port is not shorting check to see if it is damaged. USB's die from usb female plugs being forced in reversed. It can be done. you may want to desolder the outlet. Run the mac on a separate account with minimal add-ons - this should prove stable if not Double click on all hard discs - if they do not respond immediately check that sleep hard discs is off and check again... a drive may be on its way out. Then check ram - by softcheck if u have the software like tech tool, else remove most starting with minimum ram. Check by replacing external usb / fw cables. Cheers geoff b On 06 Jul 2009, at 3:00 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: My friends 1GHZ MDD isn't working. First safari randomly quits. So I did all the updates and installed safari 4. So Safari seems to be working and I'm downloading something and the crash thing comes up and says You need to restart your computer. Hold down the power button for several seconds or press the restart button. It has plenty of ram to run Tiger. 1.38GB. One thing that I noticed is that one of the built in USB ports completely doesn't work. Any ideas? -Jonas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Hard Drive Limit
Question to All Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ? I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference. When i go to find update, I get file not found. Any advice Thank You have a nice day Michael Koch mk...@ncwcom.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac MDD crashing
It is a fresh instal of mac os 10.4. I am positive the cd is bootable i have tried in other computers. It has 1.38GB ram becasue: 512MB + 512MB + 256 + 128. Why would I want to get a new os? The system profiler doesn't see the broken usb port. There is a new mobo on ebay for $40. I am thinking of buying it. -Jonas On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Geoff Black bla...@telkomsa.net wrote: Are u sure the disk is bootable... did u rec. a disk image?Also how does the mac get 1.38gb ram -? I am beginning to think you might start by backing up and looking toward a new system. Heres what I would recommend. Boot with Tiger os disc and see if there are not any unrepairable errors. If so install a new system and archive the older one. When you repair permissions or the drive - the disk utility sometimes crashes or redlines the fact it is unrepairable. Also check the other drives while you are at it. What Does About this Mac report on the usb ports anything odd? seriously though... start thinking of a new os. Rgds G On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Another problem that has developed: I downloaded the Apple Hardware Test from apple and burned the dmg to a cd. The computer refuses to start off of it. -Jonas On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Geoff Black bla...@telkomsa.net wrote: Mac Blackouts are usually hardware related and often usb related. If the dead usb port is not shorting check to see if it is damaged. USB's die from usb female plugs being forced in reversed. It can be done. you may want to desolder the outlet. Run the mac on a separate account with minimal add-ons - this should prove stable if not Double click on all hard discs - if they do not respond immediately check that sleep hard discs is off and check again... a drive may be on its way out. Then check ram - by softcheck if u have the software like tech tool, else remove most starting with minimum ram. Check by replacing external usb / fw cables. Cheers geoff b On 06 Jul 2009, at 3:00 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: My friends 1GHZ MDD isn't working. First safari randomly quits. So I did all the updates and installed safari 4. So Safari seems to be working and I'm downloading something and the crash thing comes up and says You need to restart your computer. Hold down the power button for several seconds or press the restart button. It has plenty of ram to run Tiger. 1.38GB. One thing that I noticed is that one of the built in USB ports completely doesn't work. Any ideas? -Jonas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW startup error
On 06/07/2009, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote: Did you update the firmware on your BW? Be sure that you follow installation directions exactly or the Sonnet will not work. You should have gotten a CD from Sonnet when you bought your upgrade. The CD contains an installer that will upgrade the firmware on your Mac, and this must be done before you install the Sonnet Encore G4. Well, I have no CD, as I bought the chip from a very pleasant chap on the LEMswaps list, 2nd hand. Sonnet has downloads of the Firmware Updater Installer and the SonnetCache Enabler at: http://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/processorupgradecards.html Wonderful! Many thanks - and to the others who have posted to enlighten me about my rookie mistake. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Limit
On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Michael Koch wrote: Question to All Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ? I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference. When i go to find update, I get file not found. Any advice Thank You I tried once or twice, on my Digital Audio G4 Dual 500 ... but didn't reap any benefits. Was also afraid booting into my already formatted 500GB drive might mess up one of the partitions. Let me know if you get it to working, and how ... I believe if you do a cmd-opt-P-R, any changes will disappear due to the OverDrive modified PRAM being Reset. I'm currently using a Sonnet Trio to bypass the limitation, and have a Firmtek SATA controller and 1TB Seagate en route to upgrade my DA, and bypass the limitation. Good Luck. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Limit
On 6/7/09 21:37, Michael Koch troutcr...@ncwcom.com wrote: Question to All Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ? I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference. When i go to find update, I get file not found. Any advice Thank You I used to use the Intech ATA Hi-Cap support driver for larger drives (than 128GB) on a Sawtooth - always worked well. Never tried OverDrive... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Limit
On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Michael Koch wrote: Question to All Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ? I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference. When i go to find update, I get file not found. Any advice OverDrive has a decent How To tutorial. I just re-read it and feel I could run it successfully if I need to. Since I'm using an ATA controller PCI card that overrides the limitation, I'm not inclined to experiment on my current setup in my DA Dual 533 under Leopard ... well not any more at present. AFAIK: You won't be able to search for any changes made by OverDrive using the Finder ... I believe the changes occur in NVRAM using Open Firmware at Startup. Something like that ... You would test to see if it worked by using Disk Utility and see how much of the 128GB drive is there ... hopefully all of it, after you've restarted your system, after running OverDrive. OverDrive allegedly will also help partition the new drive, so your first partition is a 128GB one ... in case you lose the LBA48 property, and need to run OverDrive again ... avoiding writing anything past that 128GB limit ... that would most likely mess the partition up, or corrupt a file (my experience). Reread use of s Single Drive versus using 2 ... it recommends using overdrive for a second HD, since you have to be booted into the first one to run it. I'm thinking I'd clone my current OS X onto a spare 80GB, and use that as my OS X drive (never having to worry about the LBA48 limitation). Then I would run OverDrive and install my 500GB drive as a second HD ... partition it with 128GB as a first partition, and then the rest as I needed. I think that's how it might work best. My thoughts anyway. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Limit
On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Reread use of s Single Drive versus using 2 ... it recommends using overdrive for a second HD, since you have to be booted into the first one to run it. I'm thinking I'd clone my current OS X onto a spare 80GB, and use that as my OS X drive (never having to worry about the LBA48 limitation). Then I would run OverDrive and install my 500GB drive as a second HD ... partition it with 128GB as a first partition, and then the rest as I needed. Whether High Cap, LBA48 Property or OverDrive, the most restrictive application is: 1) first partition is precisely 131,072 MB, and 2) remaining partitions are anything you want. With (1) and (2) applied religiously, whether you use High Cap, LBA48 Property or OverDrive really doesn't matter, the result is the same: if the kext or property is lost, you will still see the first 131,072 MB, which is were your primary OSes should be located (I partition my first 131,072 MB into four equal sized partitions as I support 10.4.11, 10.3.9, 10.3.9 Server and 10.5.7, roughly in that order of precedence). Now, if you properly use the LBA48 property, you will have the equivalent of a Quicksilver 2002, and you can have all your disks as single partitions. There are lots of choices, and one completely fail safe implementation, and one maximum utilization implementation. The choice is yours! Because of a farkle-up by Intech (failing to provide me with an e- mail receipt and a valid customer code for my retail purchase from them of High Cap, I have elected to go with the LBA48 property on my DAs, but not on my QSes (which are 2002s, so these don't need any help, anyway). The way I have partitioned all my drives is compatible with any of the above-mentioned method, and I can freely move my boot-drive/data- drive two-high carrier amongst any of my machines. Fortunately, I have not had to: my lone remaining DA is still on its initial installation of the LBA48 property, after I first discovered that the version of High Cap which I had would not support Leopard (no help, nor information from Intech, on that score, for several months). My sole remaining DA has never had a reset-nvram done to it since first installing the LBA48 properties (one on the HD bus, the other on the optical bus), and I have been perfectly happy with that solution for literally years. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
On 7/6/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jul 4, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Is the hard drive that full? or is he running out of available memory, and thinks the message pertains to the HD in lieu of actual RAM? No, the HD actually has 1.52 GB of free space and then, after a bit the message I get tells me my HD is out of available space. Looking at it I see it says I have 40.8 MB left of free space. You haven't said how much RAM you have, but you're in serious bottleneck territory if it's low. What it sounds like is that your system is rapidly running out of RAM and then filling the 1.52 GB with swap files. with only 1.52 gigs of swap space you can fill that in a heartbeat, if your'e low on RAM. It is maxed out on RAm I turned off Java in Safari (it is set to run Java by default) and that seems to be helping. -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Limit
On Jul 6, 2009, at 20:17, Bill Connelly wrote: On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Michael Koch wrote: Question to All Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ? I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference. When i go to find update, I get file not found. Any advice OverDrive has a decent How To tutorial. I just re-read it and feel I could run it successfully if I need to. Since I'm using an ATA controller PCI card that overrides the limitation, I'm not inclined to experiment on my current setup in my DA Dual 533 under Leopard ... well not any more at present. AFAIK: You won't be able to search for any changes made by OverDrive using the Finder ... I believe the changes occur in NVRAM using Open Firmware at Startup. Something like that ... You would test to see if it worked by using Disk Utility and see how much of the 128GB drive is there ... hopefully all of it, after you've restarted your system, after running OverDrive. OverDrive allegedly will also help partition the new drive, so your first partition is a 128GB one ... in case you lose the LBA48 property, and need to run OverDrive again ... avoiding writing anything past that 128GB limit ... that would most likely mess the partition up, or corrupt a file (my experience). Reread use of s Single Drive versus using 2 ... it recommends using overdrive for a second HD, since you have to be booted into the first one to run it. I'm thinking I'd clone my current OS X onto a spare 80GB, and use that as my OS X drive (never having to worry about the LBA48 limitation). Then I would run OverDrive and install my 500GB drive as a second HD ... partition it with 128GB as a first partition, and then the rest as I needed. I think that's how it might work best. My thoughts anyway. I did all that ; set Overdrive on second HD; started on first drive: I have not bin able to get it to work only see 138 Gb out of 250 Gb. What is the High Cap LBA48 and how does it work. I do not want to install a controller card or buy speed tools ; rather spend the cash on a different computer for the wife ( she who must be obeyed ) thinking of a G4 or G5; she does not us it except for e-mail and such. thank you for the help have a nice day Michael Koch mk...@ncwcom.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Limit
On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Michael Koch wrote: What is the High Cap LBA48 and how does it work. The LBA48 properties is a set of commands which are added, as appropriate, to your Open Firmware NVRAM. You will need to select the appropriate pair of LBA48 properties, one for the HD bus and one for the optical bus. The one for the optical bus is certainly optional, but as I generally use the Zip position for initializing and cloning new drives, it may make some sense to do both. For the Digital Audio and for the Quicksilver 2001 models, the correct properties are found in the enable-lba48-ata4 and the enable- lba48-ata3 files. Earlier models may take other combinations, with the caveat that the HD bus is always the fastest and, consequently, it always has the higher ATA number. The files are as follows: enable-lba48-ata4 ... #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-4 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-4 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi enable-lba48-ata3 ... #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-3 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-3 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi enable-lba48-ata2 ... #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-2 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-2 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi These are persistent until you issue the reset-nvram O.F. command, which may be never. In the case of the 4 and 3 properties, this makes your Digital Audio or Quicksilver almost exactly alike a Quicksilver 2002. The END! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 5, 11:36 pm, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/6/09 2:52 AM, PeterH at peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:27 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The RISC had a lot of promises, but many times hadn't delivered them. IBM had problems with their design which was why they teamed up with APPLE. at the time theirs was the worst performing and selling. Don't forget Motorola was in there too, coming in especially with the G4. Sun and SGI always had the better designs in the 90s but pricey too. Nevertheless SGI cornered the movie business and Sun the web server market. The g5 got apple into the big time. But I think that they have blown it now. Intel centers on the lower end of the market now with their low power cpus. For high end machines clearly IBM and AMD excel. These are the cpus preferred by scientists and engineers -- they are not the same as the consumer versions admittedly but those benefit from this research. I know Bruce will argue with this but I am speaking statistically of course. Clearly apple is a consumer company. Although the video industry helps, many specialists have complained the intel macs are not so good for them as the g5 was. (Intel centric) Benchmarks aside, this is user experience. It's not the processor, it's the implementation. Its an old story in the computer industry -- once you finally get something working right its time to abandon the manufacture (except for the embedded systems I guess). Finally in the last few years we have seen altivec based libraries for c and c++ and in gcc4.3 the auto generated code really took off. (unfortunately apple is still getting into gcc4.2). When I get the time I would like to rebuild a linux system from scratch optimized for altivec... IBM is making huge quantities of PPC RISCs. gaming consoles, selling a million a month. (and other things). IBM also sells intel based machines, but their POWER are their best. By the way they have POWER5+ intellistations on closeout for $5000. 2x2ghz dual core, 4GB RAM, 32MB Cache on-chip, dual SCSI drives, and free monitor. (G5 is Power4). No OS. Put Linux on and run Leopard with MOL. Or you can try it on a PS3 except I don't think the RAM capacity suffices. Sun is still making its RISCs. and also intel, they make both. Intel's CISCs are doing well. Well, maybe I should write Apple made a lot of promises about the RISC, but didn't delivered many of them. ;-) I remember back in the 90's that in the Spindler era the CISC was accused of being an obsolte chip archicteture which cannot expand well, differently from RISC... It was true back then. Problem was all the old 68k code in the old MacOS. Back in '98 a mac with Linux felt like flying compared to the macos crawling. IBM was like I said at the bottom of the RISC mfgs. Motorolla had many delays in their 68060 development and they really needed the g4 business. Even today a dual g4 can be as good or better performer as intel dual core in certain applications (such as with g4 upgrades versus current mini/ imac models = clunky consumer junk) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 5, 10:27 pm, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/6/09 2:19 AM, PeterH at peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: However another product which is based upon PPC, or another processor which can make effective use of the power-saving technology which was acquired in that Apple purchase of a PPC company seems likely. And we must admit now: the 1994-2006 PowerPC era was the most turbulent of Apple's history. The RISC had a lot of promises, but many times hadn't delivered them. I was Promised a G5 running at 3+ GHz, but my Fastest PPC tower is 2.7GHz DP, I had to settle for a G4 PowerBook 1.67GHZ, for the lack of any G5 PowerBook. But my 4-Core Mac Pro is 3.2 GHz, and my Book is 2.25 GHz, though they are not PPC. MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:59 PM, tortoise wrote: For high end machines clearly IBM and AMD excel. These are the cpus preferred by scientists and engineers -- they are not the same as the consumer versions admittedly but those benefit from this research. The go to machine for upper-upper-end scientific work, particularly nuclear bomb simulation, is a PPC with 131,072 cores. Clusters of Intel architecture machines are now affordable for electrical and mechanical engineering consultants, where perhaps 64 Intel PCs may be clustered, often using Lawrence Livermore National Labs' clustering software. Of course, these many to massively paralleled configurations are possible only with good split and join additions to compilers and other tools. In one split and join test of a significant note, 64 specialized database processors ... made by a certain database software manufacturer up the Peninsula ... were arrayed and accessed a certain database of financial data. A competitive system was configured using the very same data, but using a single Amdahl S/390 processor, and IBM's DB, not that other database software. The single Amdahl database processor beat the 64-way database processor in every test case. Naturally, that 64-way processor later showed up at Weird Stuff Warehouse, where it was sold for scrap value. Actually, it was only crap value which that system ever possessed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
By the way they have POWER5+ intellistations on closeout for $5000. 2x2ghz dual core, 4GB RAM, 32MB Cache on-chip, dual SCSI drives, and free monitor. (G5 is Power4). No OS. Put Linux on and run Leopard with MOL. Or you can try it on a PS3 except I don't think the RAM capacity suffices. I grabbed a PS3 but Swapped the 256MB RAM, with 4 GB RAM stick, wired/ soldered in an EFI Chip, and installed OS X v 10.5 and with 3.2 GHz PPC Cell CPU It Screams. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:59 AM, tortoisecymraeg...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly apple is a consumer company. Although the video industry helps, many specialists have complained the intel macs are not so good for them as the g5 was. (Intel centric) Benchmarks aside, this is user experience. Can you quote some examples of this or cite what the differences are? There is a common perception that the Intel Macs are way faster and more capable than the G5s of any spec. Are you saying specific G5s are faster or more stable than Intel Macs? This has been of concern on another list I am on where there is a discussion of the G5s being locked out of the Snow Leopard upgrade and what this will mean for those pros using G5s. Even today a dual g4 can be as good or better performer as intel dual core in certain applications (such as with g4 upgrades versus current mini/ imac models = clunky consumer junk) That seems to go against the evidence of LEM machine profile bench marks. adrian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
OOPS I grabbed a PS3 but Swapped the 256MB RAM, with 4 GB RAM stick, wired/ soldered in a 2005 Apple ROM not the EFI, and installed OS X v 10.5 and with 3.2 GHz PPC Cell CPU It Screams. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Hard Drive Limit
On 7/6/09 6:08 PM, pdimage at pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: Never tried OverDrive... I tried to download OverDrive software recently, but the link on the site was down... -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:28 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Even today a dual g4 can be as good or better performer as intel dual core in certain applications (such as with g4 upgrades versus current mini/ imac models = clunky consumer junk) That seems to go against the evidence of LEM machine profile bench marks. And against the evidence of actual commercial work, where a modest C2D Intel Hackintosh can perform a DVD authoring step (producing a playable DVD from .VOB files) in 12.5 minutes, whereas a reasonably fast dual G4 takes about 60 minutes. Needless to say, a 4.8-to-1 advantage in favor of Hackintosh computing resulted in this operator converting all his commercial work over to Hackintoshes. Now, I have only one G4 left operating, and it runs Mail.app and Classic. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
Howdy, Now this actually might be possible. I read the prior message and thought is was just a joke(You can't tack on EFI like that). Is this for real? The PPC processors on the PS3 are not feature complete CPUs, but there are multiple CPUs. It might make the PS3 useful for something. I don't play games and would never buy a BlueRay disk because of the particularly nasty DRM. I made a XBOX into a useful machine. If this is real, maybe I can do the same to a PS3 in a few years. Good day, Ralph On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 22:35 -0700, Mullin9 wrote: OOPS I grabbed a PS3 but Swapped the 256MB RAM, with 4 GB RAM stick, wired/ soldered in a 2005 Apple ROM not the EFI, and installed OS X v 10.5 and with 3.2 GHz PPC Cell CPU It Screams. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---