Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

my mistake. i knew it was a qs, but i confused the 2.

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Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

>
> a mdd 1.0Ghz for $25? Dude, i got a graphite only 400Mhz back in december
> 2009. My deal compared to urs was a way rip off. where in the world can you
> buy a mdd 1.0Ghz for $25? o_0. What kind of a world do we live in where
> something not as good is more expensive?
>

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RE: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

[Stewie de Young]

 
I recently got a QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP for 25 bucks I was informed it 
was freezing up but the previous owner thought it might have been RAM related. 
I've changed out the RAM and run several runs of XBench (figured this would 
stress enough for problems to come out). I have seen no problems via that. I 
don't have any Apple Hardware Diagnostics that works for this Macintosh (is 
this available as a free download from Apple by any chance?). I have noticed 
something though - The heatsink on top of the processors seems to get VERY HOT. 
Like if I shutdown the computer and open the side and touch the heatsink it is 
just cool enough so it doesn't cause a burn, is this normal? I have checked the 
fan that is under the shroud that routes out of the case and it spins and runs 
so its not that that isn't working. If this processor normally runs hot is 
there any better way to cool it a side fan doesn't seem like a very effective 
way of cooling
 (I'm from the PC World where heatsinks have fans on top).
 
Next question I plan on setting this up as a server and want to add 
harddrives to it but have noticed there are a total of 5 or 6 molex plugs for 
internal harddrives however most of them route inconviently. Is the PSU on this 
computer adequate enough to run 4 hard drives if I get splitters? If not does 
this take a standard ATX based PSU or do I need to get a compatable higher 
wattage one?
 
Thank You,
Albert Carter




  




Any of the QS and MDD models esp dual CPUs I have had anything to do with run 
hotter than any of the previous G4 series.
In saying that though you can reduce the heat quite a bit by a reapplication of 
the thermal paste between the processor and heatsink.
You can also buy third party cooling fans to help reduce temps too.

The PSU on those should be fine for running that amount of hard drives.

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Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

[Bill Connelly]

On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Dan wrote:


The processors do tend to run hot when they're busy.  There are  
number of tools that will display temps etc.  iStat Menus is my fav.

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I don't think the QS 2002 Dual 1GHz (I have one, too) has temperature  
sensors. I never could find a measure of same using iStat and its  
relatives.


Am I wrong?

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Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

[Dan]

At 6:32 PM -0700 3/23/2010, Albert Carter wrote:

QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP

I was informed it was freezing up but the previous owner thought it 
might have been RAM related. I've changed out the RAM and run 
several runs of XBench (figured this would stress enough for 
problems to come out). I have seen no problems via that.


Memtest (included with AppleJack) is a better test.

Might be interesting to test with the original memory sticks.  If one 
of those is shown to be failing, that would go a long way towards 
verifying the overall reliability of this Mac -- before you put it to 
use as a server.


I don't have any Apple Hardware Diagnostics that works for this 
Macintosh (is this available as a free download from Apple by any 
chance?).




I have noticed something though - The heatsink on top of the 
processors seems to get VERY HOT. Like if I shutdown the computer 
and open the side and touch the heatsink it is just cool enough so 
it doesn't cause a burn, is this normal? I have checked the fan that 
is under the shroud that routes out of the case and it spins and 
runs so its not that that isn't working. If this processor normally 
runs hot is there any better way to cool it a side fan doesn't seem 
like a very effective way of cooling (I'm from the PC World where 
heatsinks have fans on top).


The processors do tend to run hot when they're busy.  There are 
number of tools that will display temps etc.  iStat Menus is my fav.


And, of course, if you have any actual difficulties, don't forget to 
check the system log.  Most things throw messages there before deaths 
occur.


I plan on setting this up as a server and want to add harddrives to 
it but have noticed there are a total of 5 or 6 molex plugs for 
internal harddrives however most of them route inconviently. Is the 
PSU on this computer adequate enough to run 4 hard drives if I get 
splitters?


yes.

- Dan.
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Re: Cube video card

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 23, 2010, at 7:45 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

I just ran AHT and the VRAM failed. Can that be fixed or is it worth  
fixing?


Sometimes the card can have the wrong firmware for the speed of the  
chips if it's a flashed PC card, or perhaps is just running to hot.  
Either way, the result is similar to what you describe, the card  
starts off OK and then gets more and more video glitches as it warms  
up. If it's running too hot, a better heatsink or fan will fix it. If  
the firmware is causing it to run too fast for the chips, the solution  
is to underclock the card to match the speed to the VRAM chips  
soldered on the card. This is normally fairly simple. I believe you  
can even do it using a Preferences Pane called "ATIccelerator II"? If  
you want to experiment, there is near zero danger when underclocking a  
card to a slower speed. The only real danger is in overclocking to a  
higher speed. The OEM Radeon 7500 has 270MHz GPU and 200MHz VRAM. You  
could try slowing the VRAM and/or GPU to see if that eliminates the  
problems.


Download for ATIccelerator II Preference Pane:


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Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

[John Callahan]

Reseat the processor module heat sink and make sure all fans are  
clear of dust and crap and operating. There should be a dedicated fan  
for processor module heat sink cooling. Down load IstatPro to check  
operating temperatures.



On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Albert Carter wrote:


All,

I recently got a QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP for 25 bucks I was  
informed it was freezing up but the previous owner thought it might  
have been RAM related. I've changed out the RAM and run several  
runs of XBench (figured this would stress enough for problems to  
come out). I have seen no problems via that. I don't have any Apple  
Hardware Diagnostics that works for this Macintosh (is this  
available as a free download from Apple by any chance?). I have  
noticed something though - The heatsink on top of the processors  
seems to get VERY HOT. Like if I shutdown the computer and open the  
side and touch the heatsink it is just cool enough so it doesn't  
cause a burn, is this normal? I have checked the fan that is under  
the shroud that routes out of the case and it spins and runs so its  
not that that isn't working. If this processor normally runs hot is  
there any better way to cool it a side fan doesn't seem like a very  
effective way of cooling (I'm from the PC World where heatsinks  
have fans on top).


Next question I plan on setting this up as a server and want to  
add harddrives to it but have noticed there are a total of 5 or 6  
molex plugs for internal harddrives however most of them route  
inconviently. Is the PSU on this computer adequate enough to run 4  
hard drives if I get splitters? If not does this take a standard  
ATX based PSU or do I need to get a compatable higher wattage one?


Thank You,
Albert Carter


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QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

[Albert Carter]

All,

    I recently got a QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP for 25 bucks I was informed it 
was freezing up but the previous owner thought it might have been RAM related. 
I've changed out the RAM and run several runs of XBench (figured this would 
stress enough for problems to come out). I have seen no problems via that. I 
don't have any Apple Hardware Diagnostics that works for this Macintosh (is 
this available as a free download from Apple by any chance?). I have noticed 
something though - The heatsink on top of the processors seems to get VERY HOT. 
Like if I shutdown the computer and open the side and touch the heatsink it is 
just cool enough so it doesn't cause a burn, is this normal? I have checked the 
fan that is under the shroud that routes out of the case and it spins and runs 
so its not that that isn't working. If this processor normally runs hot is 
there any better way to cool it a side fan doesn't seem like a very effective 
way of cooling (I'm from the PC
 World where heatsinks have fans on top).

    Next question I plan on setting this up as a server and want to add 
harddrives to it but have noticed there are a total of 5 or 6 molex plugs for 
internal harddrives however most of them route inconviently. Is the PSU on this 
computer adequate enough to run 4 hard drives if I get splitters? If not does 
this take a standard ATX based PSU or do I need to get a compatable higher 
wattage one?

Thank You,
Albert Carter


  

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Re: Cube video card

[JOHN CARMONNE]

I did this and got the same results. So I have asked for an RMA,  
maybe the seller has another.


JOHN CARMONNE
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Re: Cube video card

[Jim Scott]

On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:45 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

> 
> I just ran AHT and the VRAM failed. Can that be fixed or is it worth fixing?

Change the card. But first, clean all the contacts on the card, reseat it, and 
run AHT Quick and Extended again, just to be sure it's the card.

Jim Scott

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Re: Cube video card

[John Carmonne]

I just ran AHT and the VRAM failed. Can that be fixed or is it worth fixing?


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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RE: Cube video card

[Stewie de Young]

> From: carmo...@aol.com

> Hi All 
> 
> I just got a Radeon 7500 video card for a G4 cube 500 1 GB. It worked till it 
> got warm and then the image is all mixed up. Does that sound like the card or 
> something else. It's driving an Apple 17" studio ADC display.
> 
> John Carmonne

Your card is probably getting too warm because it has to supply power, USB and 
the video signal through the card itself to the ADC studio display.
I have a similar setup ( Cube 440MHz + 17" studio display) but I chose to buy 
an Nvidia 6200 256mb flashed PC card ( VGA + DVI output )  and then a Dr Bott 
DVIator 
http://www.dviator.com/us/DVIator.html
plus another Cube PSU plugged into the adapter to take the pressure off the 
cube re the power supply.
Works well plus I have 256mb of video goodness.
Now I'd like to get a 22" Cinema Display to run through it.

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Cube video card

[John Carmonne]

Hi All 

I just got a Radeon 7500 video card for a G4 cube 500 1 GB. It worked till it 
got warm and then the image is all mixed up. Does that sound like the card or 
something else. It's driving an Apple 17" studio ADC display.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

[peter]

On Mar 23, 9:44 am, PM7500  wrote:
> Are they trying to connect using WPA encryption? I've been trying for
> months to get any of my Macs to connect to my Wi-Fi router using WPA
> and I can only connect with WEP.
>
No, the Wireless Access Points are, basicaly un-encripted, you don't
need a password, or any personal info, you just have to click the "I
Agree" button on the terms page, and you are on the web.

BTW, my co-worker forgot his G4 at home, but he might be back downtown
later, and we can check wireless then...
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Re: Utube on a Cube

[Bill Connelly]

On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:41 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:


 Is there a way to download the videos to watch them? both machines  
play DVDs good.




In Safari ... IIRC:

Start playing back the video in Safari

then you can open the Window > Activity, see what link is steadily  
increasing, and double click that. It opens a blank window


if you then look at Window > Downloads, you'll see it being downloaded  
to your download location (you can now close the blank window)


When it finishes downloading, name the video.flv file ... yourname.flv  
(keeping .flv), and it plays back nicely in something like VLC.

(and I have a DA Dual 533 G4 under 10.5.8)

Here's VLC:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

I really think some of the problem playing back video clips in a  
browser, is a download timing issue ... at its worst, you can see it  
start and stop when it reaches the limit of what has been downloaded  
while its playing back in the browser ... really aggravates me that  
Apple hasn't straightened the problem out.


It seemed to be happening in Quicktime, when I first tried  
ClickToFlash > Playback in Quicktime


Nevertheless ... Fire Adobe ... hire someone else to do videos.

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Re: Utube on a Cube

[Carmonne]

> 
> 
> In safari I like Cosmopod 
> 
> There are similar plug-ins for firefox.
> 
> Will Firefox plugins work with Camino/ Are there some of these type plugins 
for Camino?

John Carmonne
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USA

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Re: [Bulk] Re: To Journal or not

[iJohn]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Dan  wrote:
>  It's quite possible that the problem with his son's machine Spotlight being
> foo - totally re-building the index each time the drive is mounted.

The easiest way that occurs to me ... (possibly there are easier
ways?) ... to check if Spotlight is causing this problem is to turn
off Spotlight indexing for those drives.

Open Spotlight in System Preferences and add the external drives to
the "Privacy" tab. That should turn off indexing for those drives.
(The drives will of course need to be attached to the machine so that
they can been "seen" by OS X in order to exclude from indexing).

Since your son's machine is using Snow Leopard I would hope it's not a
case of Spotlight being fooed up. But WTHDIK?

-irrational john

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Re: Utube on a Cube

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:41 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:




You can improve the video in the cube with a video card upgrade,  
but ultimately you probably just plain need more CPU. 500MHZ is a  
very long time ago in computer years.





I guess this maybe an excuse to get a faster processor for the Cube,  
but they are so expensive. Is there a way to download the videos to  
watch them? both machines play DVDs good.


In safari I like Cosmopod 

There are similar plug-ins for firefox.

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Re: AVR & PIC development on a Mac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 23, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Clark Martin wrote:

Is anyone here doing cross development on either the AVR or PIC  
microprocessor on their Mac?  I'm trying to get into one or both of  
them and am looking for some tips.


Specifically I'm looking for suggestions on programmers (the  
hardware and software), assemblers and compilers.


I'm also trying to whittle down the massive selection of chips.


Head on over to the Make forums:  that  
should definitely get you started.


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Re: [Bulk] Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

[John Martz]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:44 AM, PM7500  wrote:
> Are they trying to connect using WPA encryption? I've been trying for
> months to get any of my Macs to connect to my Wi-Fi router using WPA
> and I can only connect with WEP.

Sorry to hear that. Last time I glanced around, no one bothers with
publishing methods for hacking into WEP any longer. Instead it has
more the air of a contest. "How quickly can you hack past WEP?"

At this point in time WEP strikes me as the security equivalent of a
spring loaded door latch. Sure the door is "locked". But almost anyone
who wants to get past it will do so as though the door was unlocked.

Because I live where I do I often go out for short trips without
bothering to lock a door of my house. Basically my security protocol
is counting on the statistical likelihood that no will bother. I think
that's pretty much the same security used on a the vast majority of
home wireless setups at the moment. :-(

-irrational john

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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

[Dan]

At 2:25 AM -0400 3/23/2010, PETER WARNER wrote:
Well, I took the Lombard (running 10.4.11) into an empty room 
tonight, and connected with Firefox 3.6, and Safari 4.whatever 
Without any problem on their ethernet.


Great!

I'll let you know tomorrow how it goes with the G4 book over 
Airport, but his is running 10.3 something... so I don't know. If 
it's OS related I may not be able to test properly, not having 
access to leopard or snow leopard books.


I would think that if it were the page, it would not have worked for me.


It's quite possible that they only do the "check" on clients 
connected via wireless.


From the hotel's POV... the issue is the liability of having 
untracked clients (non-guests) use their network.  So it makes sense 
that wired ether is NOT checked - after all, you have to be 
physically in an authorized location to get to that connection.


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Re: Utube on a Cube

[Nicholas Fantuzzi]

Hi man,
my G4 does the same things with YouTube videos..so I gave up and I'm using
my MBP.

Nicholas

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Re: Utube on a Cube

[brchrnr]

Hi:

I just got a digital audio 533mhz dual (798mb memory, ATI Rage 128 Pro
graphics). I put in partitions with panther, tiger and leopard to test
performance differences. None of them quite played clean youtube, but
10.3 was the closest. So I ran Monolingual (which discards extra
languages) and threw out some apps I don't use. Then loaded the latest
Opera browser, and that allowed Panther to run youtube cleanly. Also,
before I went through this I saw and used a suggestion to use mobile
youtube (http://m.youtube.com/) and that worked too.

Bruce Horner


On Mar 23, 3:04 am, Peter Kim  wrote:
> My cube and Tibook/867mhz started choking on YouTube videos (and Flash in
> general) a few years ago.  I looked into upgrading the cube, but it required
> a new processor and video card, and at least one fan for cooling all that
> extra power.  I ended up upgrading to a used MacBook.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:41 PM, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:
>
> >> You can improve the video in the cube with a video card upgrade, but
> >> ultimately you probably just plain need more CPU. 500MHZ is a very long 
> >> time
> >> ago in computer years.
>
> > I guess this maybe an excuse to get a faster processor for the Cube, but
> > they are so expensive. Is there a way to download the videos to watch them?
> > both machines play DVDs good.
>
> > JOHN CARMONNE
> > Yorba Linda USA
> > sent from my Wally 10.4.11
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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:44 AM, PM7500 wrote:

> Are they trying to connect using WPA encryption? I've been trying for
> months to get any of my Macs to connect to my Wi-Fi router using WPA
> and I can only connect with WEP.
I have never been able to connect to WPA Personal on any machine with an 
original AirPort or AirMac card. I have all systems and almost all machines 
Apple made. The g/n cards do connect. 
I think some folks think all Airport cards are equal, that's not the case. :-) 
You're peeing in the tide trying to connect to WPA Personal via  802.1 b cards.

John Carmonne
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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

[PM7500]

Are they trying to connect using WPA encryption? I've been trying for
months to get any of my Macs to connect to my Wi-Fi router using WPA
and I can only connect with WEP.

On Mar 21, 7:36 pm, peter  wrote:
> Hey,
> I was just told by the Hotel that inhabits 1/2 of one of my buildings
> here that their guests with Macs can't connect to the free wireless.
> They have been running into a brick wall with Time Warner Cable, and
> their guests are angry...  Apparently this has been going on for a
> while. Even though we own the building, we aren't supposed to touch
> time warner's stuff. I can tell you that the router is unbranded, and
> the WAPs are b/g D-Links, Windows users don't have a problem.
>
> Any ideas?

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Re: Utube on a Cube

[Sam Macomber]

My G4 had issues with youtube vids even with a 1.8GHz processor upgrade 1.5GB 
RAM and a Radeon 9600 video card.Flash is just very poorly implemented.   
Try click to flash, it'll force H.264 if available that seemed to help out a 
lot on my machine (not to mention stopping all the flash ads which certainly 
frees up some processor power)

-sam
> 
>> 
>> You can improve the video in the cube with a video card upgrade, but 
>> ultimately you probably just plain need more CPU. 500MHZ is a very long time 
>> ago in computer years.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I guess this maybe an excuse to get a faster processor for the Cube, but they 
> are so expensive. Is there a way to download the videos to watch them? both 
> machines play DVDs good.
> 
> JOHN CARMONNE
> Yorba Linda USA
> sent from my Wally 10.4.11
> 
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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

[Sam Macomber]

On Mar 22, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Justin The Cynical wrote:

> The M wrote:
>> I'll look into that. I googled   NVidia FX5200 and I saw a really cheap 
>> 256MB card but it was PCI. Do pci graphics cards work with the MDD's?
>> You can't compare Apples and oranges. And Microsoft is the orange here. 
> 
> Hmm?  I'm not aware of NVidia/Apple ever making a PCI FX5200 card, the only 
> ones I've seen are AGP.
> 
> I think you misunderstood.  My suggestion, and the one from Samuel, are Mac 
> native cards, no flashing needed.  In the case of the NVidia card, it's 
> removing some of the edge connectors that are not strictly needed and taping 
> some pins.  With the Radeon that Samuel suggested, it's just taping pins 
> (don't believe that physically modding the card is needed, unless you want 
> the ADC connector to power a display).


you are correct,  no physical mods unless you want ADC,   just two wee pieces 
of scotch tape will make it work.   I didn't want to modify the ADC plug that's 
why I downgraded to a Radeon 9000 when I got the ADC flat panel. (and that G4 
is sitting in my basement being used as a juke box and a remote file server, 
don't need a good video card for that) 

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Welcome to the family

[akfreeridemtber]

I like to welcome to my family to go along with my G5 and Mac Mini, two G4's. 
Both dual and one is a MDD.  Had to reset passwords on both, plus open firmwear 
password on the MDD. Thank goodness for the forms. With the help of the forms 
and god, "Get R done". 

Sent from my iPhone


  

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

[Nicholas Fantuzzi]

2010/3/23 Rory 

> On Feb 11, 2:20 pm, sniis  wrote:
> > Hi!
> > I've just registered in this site to post a very interesting question.
> > I've bought a PATA box to substitute my Mac Mini Superdrive with a new
> > SATA hard drive.
> > I put the box with my new WD Scorpio 500GB on it but the system didn't
> > turn on, the screen remained gray..
> > After I tried with a Hitachi 80 GB and the system turned on but on
> > Leopard I couldn't see the hard drive on my desktop and on disk
> > utility neither.
> >
> > What can I do? Is there a possible solution?
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Thanks from Italy!
>
> My money's on the 500GB drive needing to be repartitioned from MBR to
> APM.
>

Ok man, I'll try but I think it's not going to work...I've lost all my faith
in this thing.. :(

Nicholas

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AVR & PIC development on a Mac

[Clark Martin]

Is anyone here doing cross development on either the AVR or PIC 
microprocessor on their Mac?  I'm trying to get into one or both of them 
and am looking for some tips.


Specifically I'm looking for suggestions on programmers (the hardware 
and software), assemblers and compilers.


I'm also trying to whittle down the massive selection of chips.

TIA

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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

[PETER WARNER]

On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Dan wrote:


To be clear here...  Macs have NO problems talking to 802.11 WAPs.


Yes, sorry that my title is a bit misleading there "some Macs Can't  
connect to THIS WAP, sometimes" Would be more appropriate. 
 


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Re: Utube on a Cube

[Peter Kim]

My cube and Tibook/867mhz started choking on YouTube videos (and Flash in
general) a few years ago.  I looked into upgrading the cube, but it required
a new processor and video card, and at least one fan for cooling all that
extra power.  I ended up upgrading to a used MacBook.


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:41 PM, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:

>
>
>> You can improve the video in the cube with a video card upgrade, but
>> ultimately you probably just plain need more CPU. 500MHZ is a very long time
>> ago in computer years.
>>
>>
>>
> I guess this maybe an excuse to get a faster processor for the Cube, but
> they are so expensive. Is there a way to download the videos to watch them?
> both machines play DVDs good.
>
>
> JOHN CARMONNE
> Yorba Linda USA
> sent from my Wally 10.4.11
>
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