Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?
On 23/04/2010, at 3:25 PM, g3-5-list+nore...@googlegroups.com wrote: Topic: Is there usenet interface possible for this group? Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Apr 22 10:27AM -0700 ^ On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:41 AM, dorayme wrote: Would that help with the digest I get? As for not getting digest and getting all the posts, I have tried that and I really don't like it (I can explain the reasons if you like). No it wouldn't help, not with digests. What you seem to want is to get all the posts separately without getting all the posts separately. I guess! What would further reduce the clunk factor is if you could select the post from the digest that you want to reply to and hit reply and the subject line is the relevant one instead of having to fish for it and paste it in. Recently, I don't know if anyone noticed, there have been improvements: now one can click a list item in the Topic Summary at the start of the digest and go to the post in the below. Good! Never used to happen before. And another improvement, when you hit reply to the digest, you do not get a no-reply address text inserted into the the email To field but the real McCoy instead. So that is good too and saves having to wipe and reinsert the correct working To: address. The closest you can come to a news reader with an email list is: 1) get the messages separately 2) filter them into folders appropriately 3) view them in threaded view I found an applescript for Mail to burst mime digests into separate emails here http://homepage.mac.com/aamann/Misc_Scripts.html And then one needs to fish the one wanted out and to throw the others out? Not for me, thanks. What I already do is not *that* hard. And there is always the web based GG that can be logged into... I guess that is not all that bad either... I am just saying... If I got separate emails from LEM all day and night, could I have it that my attention is not drawn to them? No ping, no red dots in the dock next to the mail.app icon, they go into separate folder and quietly and I look at them when I want. Think of it as a farmer setting traps on his property, as he is sitting quietly doing his accounts by the fire in his homestead, he does not want to hear each trap go off or the agonising death throws of each little rabbit, he will collect all on his regular run the next day. But he does want to hear if a bear or a lion gets through his fences, so not all activity is needed to be silent. Some he does not want to be distracted by and others he does. The issue here is that email and usenet news are quite different things, and deal with completely different message structures. Google ports usenet messages to their Google Groups format; but not vice versa. I was vaguely imagining a usenet group that was restricted so that only members could actually post, the rest, the lower unwashed classes could look on in envy but not touch. -- dorayme -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On 4/22/10 10:30 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:15 AM, John Niven wrote: I think my companies @#$%^ IT guys are spoiling my fun! Yep, it's what we IT folks live for. :-) I used to be able to listen to mine and others musical efforts on myspace at work. Now the music just never plays (it's Flash based). Is it possible that they have put a block on it? I checked, and got the same, on my company supplied WinXP DULL machine, so it's not the usual flash problem. Anything is possible, modern network traffic shaping tools will let you apply highly intricate usage rules, like 'No streaming music from MySpace' Is there another way to access the music, or do HAVE to do some work? :-) A lot of companies are blocking access to various sites that employees hit a lot but don't have any business purpose. Funny how companies want their employees to work for them. :) But another reason stuff gets blocked is due to bandwidth load. One streamed video times how many employees turns in to some major MBps. And while audio isn't nearly as heavy they (IT they) might lump it in with the video and block all of it. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: g4/500 fan doesn't turn off?
On 4/22/10 3:50 PM, Jack Countryman wrote: I'm tinkering with a g4/500 that started life as a server. A friend got it at some sort of auction, along with other gear...no history available. It seems to have come with no ram, hard drive, etc. I have it running, but find that the internal fan does not shut off when you shut the machine down...the fan just keeps running till the power cord is pulled. Anyone have ideas of how to fix this? Thanks. First step might be an exorcism. The fan staying on is weird, it's the first time I've heard of something like that. Reseting the PMU is the best idea I can come up with. I don't KNOW if it is related but it's my best guess. IIRC the PMU reset on the G4 is a button on the logic board. There are two buttons, one turns on the computer, the other resets the PMU, they might be marked. Start with the power off and hit the button. I wouldn't have thought the tickle power (what is one when the computer is off and is used to start the computer) wasn't enough to make the fan tick much less run. So, either it does provide more power or the power supply isn't being shut off when the computer shuts down. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?
At 11:17 PM -0700 on 04/20/2010, dorayme wrote: Is there an email client that works so nice as MT-NewsWatcher to read and reply to posts by subscribers to a community of online folk? Can you think of any email client that would be better than Mail.app. (I was only joking about me being most important. I am actually probably the least thing on earth today. I was offering something for discussion, not seeking your help for myself.) I use Eudora which still functions perfectly, allowing me to segregate each list into its own mailbox and sort the contents of each mailbox into time-ordered threads. I have never used Mail.app so cannot comment on how well it can be used. It should be noted that Eudora 6.2.4, dated 07/2005, also runs perfectly on my MacBook under Snow Leopard/Rosetta 10.6.3. - Maretta -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MySpace.
Bruce: Nice Dilbert reference. :-) -- Matt Rhinesmith Sent from my most mysterious white hole of doom! Or, perhaps IBM ThinkPad T23 would work better. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GU d- s+:- a C UL++ P L E W+++ N o K++ w--- O++ M++ V- PS PE- Y PGP- t+ 5 X R+++ tv b+++ DI+ D- G++ e-- h! r-- y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: g4/500 fan doesn't turn off?
These could be the 3 possibilities, because I had the same problem with my Gigabit ethernet system before. (1) Bad logic board (2) Bad fan (3) bad power supply box -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
iPad and OSX
The iPad requires 10.5.8 acc. to spec.info. I am locked to 10.4.11 as Classic is needed, so what happens -or do not happen if I plug it to this one ? -Have not bought the iPad yet, but - - -? ! Has somebody tried ? Regards Hans -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
--- On Fri, 4/23/10, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: A lot of companies are blocking access to various sites that employees hit a lot but don't have any business purpose. Funny how companies want their employees to work for them. :) Even cows get some music when they are being milked :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???
I tried the other lists and the only one that lets me post is the Jaguar list and this one, the Clamshell List isn't active anymore, I am very sorry about this... I have a 466mhz with DVD drive and the ram is maxed 576!!! The Tiger install disc will start but the HD doesn't show up in the install window... There is nothing wrong with the mother board because I put the old HD back in and it works very good... I can not get to the desktop with the new drive to open up the HD and go to the applications folder to find the utilities folder to reformat the HD... I did hook the Clamshell up to my Powerbook with my FireWire cable and got to the utilities folder from there but it was in OS 9 and still didn't show up there??? I've done this many many times before but I never had to reformat any drive, one of the HD drives I bought before I thought was new but looking at it, it says it is a reconditioned HD so it must have been already formatted for my machine... I never wanted to run anything newer then Jaguar in these because it runs too slow with anything newer, but many people have told me a 7200rpm HD will speed it up also a larger HD then 10g will too... I used to buy stacks of these Clamshells and fix them and sell them back in the day!!! I also know about getting to the options part of the install to select a clean and reinstall or save files and reinstall, I can't even get that far with the install, it makes to the window after I check agree to terms and that is it, no HD shows up... I even sent the one HD back to where I bought it and they sent me a new one and the same thing happens and they told me this will work... All of the Clamshells I have, and had, I installed Jaguar and OS 9.2.2 and didn't partition any of them, they all ran Classic or I could reboot into OS 9.2.2... Jaguar is now too old to run comfortably and Panther I just never liked it to begin with (I had one with Panther and down graded it to Jaguar)... I have been working on this for over a month now and tried so many different things and still can't get Tiger on this one Clamshell, if I get it to work and I like it I will do up the other 2 Clamshells with the same specs as this one I have (466mhz with 576mb and DVD drives)!!! Thank You very much for everyones help I really do love your input here!!! -Original Message- From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Sent: Apr 23, 2010 1:50 AM To: Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net Subject: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive??? OFF-LIST: 1) Boot the Tiger DVD by inserting it into the DVD drive and then holding either the C key or the Option key at boot. 2) If the DVD boots, then select English and from the menu bar select Disk Utility and hopefully the drive will be shown in Disk Utility. If it's not shown, you have a hardware issue. If it is shown, highlight the HD and select the Partition tab. In Volume Scheme select 1 partition. In Format Scheme select Mac OS X Extended (Journaled) and in the Options button window select Apple Partition Scheme. Give it whatever name you wish and hit the Apply button. Once the partition format completes, install OS X by quitting Disk Utility and continuing the installer process. Some Clamshell's don't have a DVD drive, they're CD only, so if this is the case, you'll need a CD installer. If the HD isn't recognized at all in Disk Utility then you've got a hardware issue. The most likely problem is a jumper on the HD. It's likely the HD is supposed to be jumpered as master and you've got it set to cable select or slave. When the jumper setting is incorrect it can sometimes mess up the other device which would normally be the CD unit, although sometimes the CD is on a completely separate bus from the HD, and I'm not sure exactly how the clamshell is configured. If it's not a jumper problem, then the cable is the only other normal issue. If it's not the jumper or the cable, then you've got a logicboard issue. I'd personally not install OS 9 onto this Mac, assuming you have enough RAM for it. If you don't have at least a 256MB stick, and preferably a 512MB stick, you should probably NOT install OS X, and instead only install OS 9. Other options might be Ubuntu Linux for PPC, but again, determining what version for an old G3 clamshell may be difficult. I own several G3 clamshells myself, and they all have Tiger 10.4.11 and seem to work fine. They won't play video smoothly, but otherwise they work fine. Good luck! Kris Tilford - Topeka, Kansas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at
Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???
On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I tried the other lists and the only one that lets me post is the Jaguar list and this one, the Clamshell List isn't active anymore, I am very sorry about this... I have a 466mhz with DVD drive and the ram is maxed 576!!! The Tiger install disc will start but the HD doesn't show up in the install window... There is nothing wrong with the mother board because I put the old HD back in and it works very good... I can not get to the desktop with the new drive to open up the HD and go to the applications folder to find the utilities folder to reformat the HD... I did hook the Clamshell up to my Powerbook with my FireWire cable and got to the utilities folder from there but it was in OS 9 and still didn't show up there??? I've done this many many times before but I never had to reformat any drive, one of the HD drives I bought before I thought was new but looking at it, it says it is a reconditioned HD so it must have been already formatted for my machine... I never wanted to run anything newer then Jaguar in these because it runs too slow with anything newer, but many people have told me a 7200rpm HD will speed it up also a larger HD then 10g will too... I used to buy stacks of these Clamshells and fix them and sell them back in the day!!! I also know about getting to the options part of the install to select a clean and reinstall or save files and reinstall, I can't even get that far with the install, it makes to the window after I check agree to terms and that is it, no HD shows up... I even sent the one HD back to where I bought it and they sent me a new one and the same thing happens and they told me this will work... All of the Clamshells I have, and had, I installed Jaguar and OS 9.2.2 and didn't partition any of them, they all ran Classic or I could reboot into OS 9.2.2... Jaguar is now too old to run comfortably and Panther I just never liked it to begin with (I had one with Panther and down graded it to Jaguar)... I have been working on this for over a month now and tried so many different things and still can't get Tiger on this one Clamshell, if I get it to work and I like it I will do up the other 2 Clamshells with the same specs as this one I have (466mhz with 576mb and DVD drives)!!! Thank You very much for everyones help I really do love your input here!!! Someone suggested earlier that the drive that you are attempting to format may be of a later version that is incompatible with your hardware. Assuming that there is no physical issue, that is the only cause that I can see. Now, when I upgraded my old Graphite 466, I was able to buy a compatible drive and that was in 2005. I kind of doubt that brand new drives are being manufactured that fill this requirement any longer. If Disk Utility cannot see the drive, then there is a connectivity/compatibility issue. Also, I ran Panther on my 466. It ran fine and would play AVI movies at full screen or regular DVDs for that matter without any problems. Oh and I only had the 256MB stick instead of 512MB. I liked the machine but wanted more resolution so I upgraded to a Aluminum PowerBook in 2007. JT Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4bd1dfe161769188bc4st02duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPad and OSX
On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:08 AM, hansBas wrote: The iPad requires 10.5.8 acc. to spec.info. I am locked to 10.4.11 as Classic is needed, so what happens -or do not happen if I plug it to this one ? It will complain that you don't have the right version of iTunes, and will not set up, so you end up with an expensive paperweight. Your solution is one of the following: 1) Install another HDD (or use an external FW drive) install 10.4.11 and your classic programs on it, and upgrade your main (which presumably has all your files and settings on it) to 10.5.8. When you need to use Classic stuff, boot from the 10.4 drive (by holding down the option key and choosing the 10.4 volume when the selection screen comes up) 2) Upgrade your system to 10.5 and install Sheepshaver in order to use Classic apps. http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/ 3) Upgrade your apps (or find substitutes) so that Classic is no longer needed. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card/drivers found
Hello List, Kris Tilford wrote: the driver has disappeared from the VIA support site, so it may be hard to find for download. It appears to be available from the Internet Archive Wayback Machine: Indeed the download link at the VIA site dead ended. However, following the older drivers on that page took me to a good download. Two versions are available, one for G5 and the other for G4. The drivers are Apple products. I installed the G4 VIA chip-set driver and success. I haven't tested performance yet but System Profiler came back with this: Not only did I get the speed but the drive with it's partitions actually appeared. Sorry for long address. Thank you, Roman http://web.archive.org/web/20070813185651/www.viaarena.com/ default.aspx?PageID=420OSID=23CatID=2470SubCatID=122Old=1 Iomega: Capacity: 931.51 GB Removable Media: Yes Detachable Drive: Yes BSD Name: disk2 Version: 1.0f Bus Power (mA): 500 Speed:Up to 480 Mb/sec Manufacturer: Iomega OS9 Drivers: Yes Product ID: 0x0370 Serial Number:FF310005206FF0BCFF S.M.A.R.T. status:Not Supported Vendor ID:0x059b Volumes: Lone Ranger Clone: Capacity: 310.38 GB Available:296.26 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk2s10 Mount Point: /Volumes/Lone Ranger Clone Meg 2: Capacity: 310.38 GB Available:310.28 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk2s12 Mount Point: /Volumes/Meg 2 Meg 3.9 files: Capacity: 310.38 GB Available:306.72 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk2s14 Mount Point: /Volumes/Meg 3.9 files -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?
On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:39 PM, dorayme wrote: If I got separate emails from LEM all day and night, could I have it that my attention is not drawn to them? No ping, no red dots in the dock next to the mail.app icon, they go into separate folder and quietly and I look at them when I want. This is possible, but requires an IMAP mail account, and access to your mail server so you can do server-side filtering rather than use Mail.app to do it. This is how I do it, so that all my filtering is applied on the server. Some mail providers let you do this, so it pays to check. It also requires the will power to not answer your email -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:49 AM, John Niven wrote: --- On Fri, 4/23/10, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: A lot of companies are blocking access to various sites that employees hit a lot but don't have any business purpose. Funny how companies want their employees to work for them. :) Even cows get some music when they are being milked :-) But they don't get to choose the music. Be careful what you wish for, you might get someone who decides that Bangladeshi folk music is Just The Thing. (Happened one time in a lab I worked in, one PhD was from there and was playing some traditional Bangladeshi music. To the untrained ear, this sounds like a cat being strangled, slowly, over a fire, fed through a feedback loop. With sitars accompanying. As opposed, of course to the melodious, soothing sounds of Death Metal, Country Western, Slim Whitman, AOR or bagpipes that the rest of us liked, of course We would occasionally have interesting Radio Wars in that lab. :-) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Apple Ram/warranty question
when I buy ram from most other venders, I get a lifetime warranty what about that Apple ram that I buy with my new apple, let me guess Applecare runs out, so does my warranty? Jeff Jeff Engle Kamiah Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?
Glad it works for you. I am having all kinds of problems under Leopard — mostly with memory. It cannot remember the passwords, for instance. Paul Stamsen pjs...@bresnan.net On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:53 pm, Maretta Holden wrote: I use Eudora which still functions perfectly, allowing me to segregate each list into its own mailbox and sort the contents of each mailbox into time-ordered threads. I have never used Mail.app so cannot comment on how well it can be used. It should be noted that Eudora 6.2.4, dated 07/2005, also runs perfectly on my MacBook under Snow Leopard/Rosetta 10.6.3. - Maretta P paterfami...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Ram/warranty question
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: when I buy ram from most other venders, I get a lifetime warranty what about that Apple ram that I buy with my new apple, let me guess Applecare runs out, so does my warranty? That's what I've always assumed. When I swapped out the original 2x1GB RAM modules in my 2008 MB to replace them with 2x2GB ones, the RAM which came with the MacBook seemed pretty much generic RAM to me. But I'll be watching to see what other replies you get to your question. FWIW, if you have no problem with your RAM during the 3 year AppleCare period, then I wouldn't expect it to fail during the useful lifetime of your Mac. I don't believe RAM wears out from use. Or at least not in any way that matters to a typical user. A lifetime warranty is a nice selling point, but, of course, I figure it also depends on who is offering the warranty. That's really the primary reason why I now tend to buy only RAM that comes from a company which I have more confidence will continue to be around to honor the warranty during that lifetime of use. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:49 AM, John Niven wrote: --- On Fri, 4/23/10, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: A lot of companies are blocking access to various sites that employees hit a lot but don't have any business purpose. Funny how companies want their employees to work for them. :) Even cows get some music when they are being milked :-) But they don't get to choose the music. Be careful what you wish for, you might get someone who decides that Bangladeshi folk music is Just The Thing. (Happened one time in a lab I worked in, one PhD was from there and was playing some traditional Bangladeshi music. To the untrained ear, this sounds like a cat being strangled, slowly, over a fire, fed through a feedback loop. With sitars accompanying. As opposed, of course to the melodious, soothing sounds of Death Metal, Country Western, Slim Whitman, AOR or bagpipes that the rest of us liked, of course We would occasionally have interesting Radio Wars in that lab. :-) Our Starbucks on the corner by the university often has all of that music in one night ! The barista use it to control the customers ~ That's my theory. I'm sticking with it. They easily control all of the music and sometimes if they aren't as busy get very creative with the mix. It is all music provided by the corporation. Starbucks owns the rights of distribution to a huge variety of genres. Some combinations can form really strange juxtapositions. Recently I heard a Bollywood theme ( cats in heat ) backed with Stand By Your Man ( country chicks in heat ? ). When it gets after 10 and the crew has had a hard and steamy night at the espresso machine they put on music gauged to move out the crowd so they can get their cleaning done easily and get home. Urging all Mac and PC surfers and cyber-ludites alike out of the store. And late night ITs fill their huge travel mugs one more time. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ http://twitter.com/FluxStringer -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On 4/23/10 12:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:49 AM, John Niven wrote: --- On Fri, 4/23/10, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: A lot of companies are blocking access to various sites that employees hit a lot but don't have any business purpose. Funny how companies want their employees to work for them. :) Even cows get some music when they are being milked :-) But they don't get to choose the music. Be careful what you wish for, you might get someone who decides that Bangladeshi folk music is Just The Thing. (Happened one time in a lab I worked in, one PhD was from there and was playing some traditional Bangladeshi music. To the untrained ear, this sounds like a cat being strangled, slowly, over a fire, fed through a feedback loop. With sitars accompanying. As opposed, of course to the melodious, soothing sounds of Death Metal, Country Western, Slim Whitman, AOR or bagpipes that the rest of us liked, of course We would occasionally have interesting Radio Wars in that lab. :-) When the company I used to work for put in a new phone system there was reportedly a major war going on at high levels over the choice of hold music. Can you imagine what would have happened if we had elevator music (if we had elevators). It goes along with my theory about the freedom of technology. When engineering says there are two ways to build something, use-able but not even close to ideal or... worse it's real simple to figure out what gets built. But then technology comes along and lets you make it in many ways, all much better than it's predecessor. At that point management starts pouring out of the walls with ideas and suggestions. It makes one long for the good old use-able version. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On 22/04/10 12:17 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Folks dragging new toys are shocked when they come to us and say help us get X going. And we look at them, take the device from their hands, and say Okay, I've now held on of these things in my hands for a total of five seconds in my life. How do you expect me to know everything about it? Believe it or not I've gotten the serious answer Oh you don't have one of these already?? I thought you IT guys ALWAYS had the latest and greatest toys! This is oh, so true. I wonder how people come to think that IT folks play with the latest toys. They probably associate the IT guy with the neighborhood geek. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On 22/04/10 1:59 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: We manage all computer surplusing for the College. The newest Mac that's *ever* come through here was a 400 MHz Sawtooth with no drive, memory or power supply. If a prof decides to get a newer Mac it goes to a student or instrument in their lab. Don't you guys have a policy that prevents people from stripping machines. I've seen a laptop where the prof/Phd student., perhaps in wanting a newer machine, disconnected the video cable going from the mainboard to the display and turned the unit in for repairs. A new machine as given. The memory, along with the HD were gone. And that was against the rules. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On 23/04/10 1:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: We would occasionally have interesting Radio Wars in that lab. The best working policy that I've seen is to not have music at all. Or, ring it directly into your ear, from your iPod, walkman or discman. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???
Thanks JT!!! I bought this drive off of a girl on ebay who sells 1000's of them, I guess it is a new old stock one??? I told her what machine I had and how I did everything and couldn't get it to show so she told me to return it and she sent me another one (not the same identical one)... Now I'm thinking it prob isn't the right drive for my application??? Another thing too my old drive has an Apple logo on it an this one doesn't??? My next step is to install it in my G4 Ti Powerbook and see what happens there and if not I will send this one back too for a refund... Panther for me ran but it was too slow so I wiped it and installed Jaguar... Thanks again everyone!!! Someone suggested earlier that the drive that you are attempting to format may be of a later version that is incompatible with your hardware. Assuming that there is no physical issue, that is the only cause that I can see. Now, when I upgraded my old Graphite 466, I was able to buy a compatible drive and that was in 2005. I kind of doubt that brand new drives are being manufactured that fill this requirement any longer. If Disk Utility cannot see the drive, then there is a connectivity/compatibility issue. Also, I ran Panther on my 466. It ran fine and would play AVI movies at full screen or regular DVDs for that matter without any problems. Oh and I only had the 256MB stick instead of 512MB. I liked the machine but wanted more resolution so I upgraded to a Aluminum PowerBook in 2007. JT -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: LEMmings?Re: NANNY! Re: Fwd: Iran war plot
the old saying has never been more true than today . . . there's nothing more dangerous than a little bit of knowledge. On Apr 22, 9:31 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: That's probably what he is doing, I have a friend when he wants to fwd an e-mail he ends up sending it to everyone in his address book, some people get really mad about what he is sending... I had to show him how to go through his whole address book and just click on the people who he thinks will be interested in the e-mail and not the send all... I also had to show him to send it bcc so everyone doesn't get everyone and their mother's e-mail attch to it, he didn't know about this either... - Slow down folks. Do you think maybe he sent it by mistake? He's posted a lot of useful answers. I've clicked to fast a couple of times and it's to late, you can't grab it back. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 800 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MDD won't deep sleep
First the specs of this machine. It's a Dual 1.25 G4 Powermac MDD. It's bone stock except for having 1.25gb ram, and an Apple combo drive in the second bay. The problem I'm having is it will never auto sleep. I understand that some PCI cards can cause this problem, but I have none installed. I've tried everything short of installing a new OS to fix the problem, and with little to show for it. I'm kinda hoping this is an easy fix because I hate the idea of this thing running 24/7. Anyway, this is what it's doing. I'll set the energy saver panel to put the computer at some value, and when that time is reached, the monitor immediately shuts down, but everything continues to roar inside the case. Occasionally I'll hear the hard drive spin down, to only hear it immediately spin up again. All the problematic option in the control panel are switched off (spinning hard drive down when possible, or wake for various things), I've removed the multiple preference files, flashed the pram, unplugged all USB devices, ect. I'm stuck, and open to ideas. Thanks guys. Jake Zeppa -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
installing a printer on an iMac G5
I have been trying to install an inkjet printer on my wife's iMac G5. I have tried installing 3 different printers (Lexmark X75, HP8050 Canon MX300). All installations end up the same way: the iMac can't find a driver to use with the newly installed printer even after I have downloaded the latest drivers from the manufacturer's websites, and followed all onscreen prompts I am able to install the same printers on an older iMac G3 running Tiger (10.4.11) The iMac G5 is running Tiger (10.4.11.) Have any of you on the List had a similar experience? What did you do to resolve the issue? Thanks, Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD won't deep sleep
On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:17 PM, racecivicman wrote: First the specs of this machine. You forget something? (like the OS version?). If it's bone stock as you say, then it's Jaguar? I'm kinda hoping this is an easy fix because I hate the idea of this thing running 24/7. If you're that worried about energy use, sell the MDD and get yourself a laptop instead. Sleep is one of the most messed up things in any OS, not just OS X. It could be almost anything. If you're connected to the internet and you've got programs or parts of the OS that check for updates, or synchronize time, or do almost anything in background, any one of these can cause it to not sleep. I think this is a lost cause unless you're willing to dig around in the log files to see what's active when, and correlate this with the activity you see externally at these specific times. I never use sleep, and I never have problems. You might try enabling hibernation if you're psycho about power usage. I think it requires 10.4 Tiger to enable hibernation (also called safe sleep). This is where the system writes an image of the RAM contents to the HD, and then restores the computer to its exact state before hibernation. It's like a complete shutdown, but it reboots faster because it loads the stored sleepimage into RAM and you're going again, with all your windows and applications in the exact state they were before hibernation. See this to enable hibernation in 10.4: http://matt.ucc.asn.au/apple/machibernate.html See this to enable hibernation in 10.5: http://www.machoe.com/1423/hibernate-mac-with-deep-sleep.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On 4/23/10 12:05 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Be careful what you wish for, you might get someone who decides that Bangladeshi folk music is Just The Thing. (Happened one time in a lab I worked in, one PhD was from there and was playing some traditional Bangladeshi music. To the untrained ear, this sounds like a cat being strangled, slowly, over a fire, fed through a feedback loop. With sitars accompanying. Thanks a lot Bruce. Now I have to clean my monitor because of the cranberry juice that shot out of my nose in laughter at your post. Basting. --- The first time Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck will be when they start making vacuum cleaners --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Lost files?
Hi All I just made a mistake with RsyncX I thought I was backing up one folder of music to a 1 TB drive and when I was looking at the progress I saw that it removed all the folders on the drive instead of just the one I was copying. So I stopped the process but I think I lost a lot of stuff. Is there a magic bullet to get the stuff back or am I SOL? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: installing a printer on an iMac G5
On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I have been trying to install an inkjet printer on my wife's iMac G5. I have tried installing 3 different printers (Lexmark X75, HP8050 Canon MX300). All installations end up the same way: the iMac can't find a driver to use with the newly installed printer even after I have downloaded the latest drivers from the manufacturer's websites, and followed all onscreen prompts I am able to install the same printers on an older iMac G3 running Tiger (10.4.11) The iMac G5 is running Tiger (10.4.11.) Have any of you on the List had a similar experience? What did you do to resolve the issue? I would try Gutenprint 5 download it free from the net. It worked for me several times . Make sure to clear the printer preference pane and the re add the printer if it shows up in the available printers. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On 4/23/10 6:30 PM, Dan wrote: At 9:15 AM -0700 4/22/2010, John Niven wrote: I think my companies @#$%^ IT guys are spoiling my fun! I used to be able to listen to mine and others musical efforts on myspace at work. Now the music just never plays (it's Flash based). Is it possible that they have put a block on it? I checked, and got the same, on my company supplied WinXP DULL machine, so it's not the usual flash problem. Yes, it's quite possible that they've blocked it. Frankly, you should be working while at work, not surfing social networking web sites. Now be a good little worker: thank your boss for the elevator muzak and get back to work! You know, IT people typically don't get ordered to ban stuff until there's a problem. In your spare time, you might want to hunt down the putz that ruined it for all of you, and thank him/her/it in some creative way. Superglue is inexpensive. C4 is more expensive but, oh, so much more satisfying. It depends on the IT people and management. Some IT people will pretty much do as they please if they know management won't say not to it (usually due to them being clueless). -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MySpace.
On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Nestamicky wrote: Don't you guys have a policy that prevents people from stripping machines. I've seen a laptop where the prof/Phd student., perhaps in wanting a newer machine, disconnected the video cable going from the mainboard to the display and turned the unit in for repairs. A new machine as given. The memory, along with the HD were gone. And that was against the rules. Nope, it's their grant money, they get to spend it as they wish. Besides, the Mac in question was an organ donor. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
