Safari

[Stephen Conrad]

I have decided that next to Opera Safari is the biggest piece of crap out
there.
I quit it earlier and in only a few hours I was getting "Application Not
Responding"
Now I don't have many tabs open, in fact in the past I have had more and not
had this problem

Tabs I have open
--
Gmail
The Daily Pages
The Daily Kitten
MySpace
Facebook (noth are my page)
A text site (stories people put online)
A friend's Facebook site
Facebook site of a person I know
Google Voice
Fastmail.fm

Does Apple have any plans to fix the known memory leak(s) or do they even
care?

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forth and claim our place in outer space."
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Re: Safari

[Peter]

I think you are barking at the wrong tree. Mostly this kind of issues come from 
scripts running on websites. MySpace and Facebook both are using lots of 
scripts on their websites that can make a web browser unresponsive.

Peter M.


Sent from my BlackBerry® 

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Conrad 
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 05:28:06 
To: g3-5-list
Subject: Safari

I have decided that next to Opera Safari is the biggest piece of crap out
there.
I quit it earlier and in only a few hours I was getting "Application Not
Responding"
Now I don't have many tabs open, in fact in the past I have had more and not
had this problem

Tabs I have open
--
Gmail
The Daily Pages
The Daily Kitten
MySpace
Facebook (noth are my page)
A text site (stories people put online)
A friend's Facebook site
Facebook site of a person I know
Google Voice
Fastmail.fm

Does Apple have any plans to fix the known memory leak(s) or do they even
care?

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Henrietta, MO 64036

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Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Hello Guys ans Gals who use PowerPC Macs. this is about that commercial that
when Apple claimed that the PowerPC G4 processor is 2x more powerful than
the G3 processor, and 3x as powerful as a pentium 3 at the same clock speed.
Well, I did some testing, and It turns out that the PowerPC G4 processor is
more powerful than you think it is. As we all know, the PowerPC G4 is
nowhere nearly as close to being as powerful as the PowerPC G5, but I did
some testing using the program Cinebench, and I converted the scores to my
scale.
Here are the results: (My scale is this: If the Cinebench score let's say is
2.0, I move the decimal to the right and make it a 20.)

1400Mhz PowerPC G4 (21.0)
1400Mhz Intel P4 (17.0)
900Mhz PowerPC G3   (16.5)
1800Mhz PowerPC G5 (32.4)
1400Mhz Intel P3  (06.7)

Accorsing to my analasys, The PowerPC G4 processor Is actually more than 3
times more powerful than the pentium 3 processor at the same clock speed,
and it still outperforms the Pentium 4 at the same clock speed. (Nice job
Apple! Let's see you beat Microsoft at their own game!) Afterwards, I tested
a Dual Dual PowerPC G5 processor at 2.7Ghz vs an Intel i7 Quad core at
2.6Ghz. And here are the results:

(Technically a quad core but they called it a Dual Dual back then) PowerPC
G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83)
Intel i7 Quad core
@2.6Ghz.(7.79)

Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the
PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. Intel is 5
years behind. What they call "Automatically boosting performance", Is what
Apple called "AltiVec Velocity engine" over 10 years ago. The PowerPC G3-G5
series of processors are aging, and eventually will no longer be of any
competition to today's processors. Unfortionately, at Intel's rate of
development, The PowerPC G5 processor will only be able to stay above the
line of obsoleteness for another 2-3 years. For now it can compete against
the i7 processors, but eventually it won't even rise up to a challenge even
to the Intel atom processors. Unless Apple makes a swift move to start a new
contract with Motorola again and Make the newer version of the PowerPC G5 or
even the PowerPC G6 processor, the PowerPC processor history only lies in
the hands of us who still have these pieces of history. Slowly the wonderful
and successful processor arcitechture dies in those who demolish, recycle
and destroy Apple computers that use these processors. There may be millions
still left out there now, but by 2020, I estimate no more than 20,000 will
be left. By 2100, it will be nothing more than a distant memory in the very
few who still have them. I only say one thing. Preserve this history,
because although there is a possibility that maybe another company may make
the PowerPC processors again, we will never see them made by Apple again or
maybe even any that are able to run Mac OS or OS X that aren't made by
Apple.

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Re: G5 Red Light on startup

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Now that you mention it It is quite normal with the screeching fans, but
it can be annoying from time to time. And yes, mine is also a A1117 too.
 Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.

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Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?

[Baha Ata]

hmmm...
G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83)
> Intel i7 Quad core
> @2.6Ghz.(7.79)

Those software is optimized for G5 and but not optimized for i7 i guess...


2010/5/10 Mark Sokolovsky :
> Hello Guys ans Gals who use PowerPC Macs. this is about that commercial that
> when Apple claimed that the PowerPC G4 processor is 2x more powerful than
> the G3 processor, and 3x as powerful as a pentium 3 at the same clock speed.
> Well, I did some testing, and It turns out that the PowerPC G4 processor is
> more powerful than you think it is. As we all know, the PowerPC G4 is
> nowhere nearly as close to being as powerful as the PowerPC G5, but I did
> some testing using the program Cinebench, and I converted the scores to my
> scale.
> Here are the results: (My scale is this: If the Cinebench score let's say is
> 2.0, I move the decimal to the right and make it a 20.)
>
> 1400Mhz PowerPC G4 (21.0)
> 1400Mhz Intel P4 (17.0)
> 900Mhz PowerPC G3   (16.5)
> 1800Mhz PowerPC G5 (32.4)
> 1400Mhz Intel P3  (06.7)
>
> Accorsing to my analasys, The PowerPC G4 processor Is actually more than 3
> times more powerful than the pentium 3 processor at the same clock speed,
> and it still outperforms the Pentium 4 at the same clock speed. (Nice job
> Apple! Let's see you beat Microsoft at their own game!) Afterwards, I tested
> a Dual Dual PowerPC G5 processor at 2.7Ghz vs an Intel i7 Quad core at
> 2.6Ghz. And here are the results:
>
> (Technically a quad core but they called it a Dual Dual back then) PowerPC
> G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83)
> Intel i7 Quad core
> @2.6Ghz.(7.79)
>
> Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the
> PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. Intel is 5
> years behind. What they call "Automatically boosting performance", Is what
> Apple called "AltiVec Velocity engine" over 10 years ago. The PowerPC G3-G5
> series of processors are aging, and eventually will no longer be of any
> competition to today's processors. Unfortionately, at Intel's rate of
> development, The PowerPC G5 processor will only be able to stay above the
> line of obsoleteness for another 2-3 years. For now it can compete against
> the i7 processors, but eventually it won't even rise up to a challenge even
> to the Intel atom processors. Unless Apple makes a swift move to start a new
> contract with Motorola again and Make the newer version of the PowerPC G5 or
> even the PowerPC G6 processor, the PowerPC processor history only lies in
> the hands of us who still have these pieces of history. Slowly the wonderful
> and successful processor arcitechture dies in those who demolish, recycle
> and destroy Apple computers that use these processors. There may be millions
> still left out there now, but by 2020, I estimate no more than 20,000 will
> be left. By 2100, it will be nothing more than a distant memory in the very
> few who still have them. I only say one thing. Preserve this history,
> because although there is a possibility that maybe another company may make
> the PowerPC processors again, we will never see them made by Apple again or
> maybe even any that are able to run Mac OS or OS X that aren't made by
> Apple.
>
> --
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Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?

[PM7500]

Try using Geekbench. I did the test using my laptop with a 1.6ghz
Athlon64 TF-20 vs my Powerbook G4 1.67ghz and the Athlon system smoked
it. Most of the benchmarking programs and software Apple uses in their
demonstrations are optimized for Altivec and don't use Intel and AMD's
extensions very well, if at all.

On May 10, 1:20 am, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:
> Hello Guys ans Gals who use PowerPC Macs. this is about that commercial that
> when Apple claimed that the PowerPC G4 processor is 2x more powerful than
> the G3 processor, and 3x as powerful as a pentium 3 at the same clock speed.
> Well, I did some testing, and It turns out that the PowerPC G4 processor is
> more powerful than you think it is. As we all know, the PowerPC G4 is
> nowhere nearly as close to being as powerful as the PowerPC G5, but I did
> some testing using the program Cinebench, and I converted the scores to my
> scale.
> Here are the results: (My scale is this: If the Cinebench score let's say is
> 2.0, I move the decimal to the right and make it a 20.)
>
> 1400Mhz PowerPC G4 (21.0)
> 1400Mhz Intel P4         (17.0)
> 900Mhz PowerPC G3   (16.5)
> 1800Mhz PowerPC G5 (32.4)
> 1400Mhz Intel P3          (06.7)
>
> Accorsing to my analasys, The PowerPC G4 processor Is actually more than 3
> times more powerful than the pentium 3 processor at the same clock speed,
> and it still outperforms the Pentium 4 at the same clock speed. (Nice job
> Apple! Let's see you beat Microsoft at their own game!) Afterwards, I tested
> a Dual Dual PowerPC G5 processor at 2.7Ghz vs an Intel i7 Quad core at
> 2.6Ghz. And here are the results:
>
> (Technically a quad core but they called it a Dual Dual back then) PowerPC
> G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83)
> Intel i7 Quad core
> @2.6Ghz.(7.79)
>
> Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the
> PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. Intel is 5
> years behind. What they call "Automatically boosting performance", Is what
> Apple called "AltiVec Velocity engine" over 10 years ago. The PowerPC G3-G5
> series of processors are aging, and eventually will no longer be of any
> competition to today's processors. Unfortionately, at Intel's rate of
> development, The PowerPC G5 processor will only be able to stay above the
> line of obsoleteness for another 2-3 years. For now it can compete against
> the i7 processors, but eventually it won't even rise up to a challenge even
> to the Intel atom processors. Unless Apple makes a swift move to start a new
> contract with Motorola again and Make the newer version of the PowerPC G5 or
> even the PowerPC G6 processor, the PowerPC processor history only lies in
> the hands of us who still have these pieces of history. Slowly the wonderful
> and successful processor arcitechture dies in those who demolish, recycle
> and destroy Apple computers that use these processors. There may be millions
> still left out there now, but by 2020, I estimate no more than 20,000 will
> be left. By 2100, it will be nothing more than a distant memory in the very
> few who still have them. I only say one thing. Preserve this history,
> because although there is a possibility that maybe another company may make
> the PowerPC processors again, we will never see them made by Apple again or
> maybe even any that are able to run Mac OS or OS X that aren't made by
> Apple.
>
> --
>  Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.
>
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Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

[===( )8>]

Kris Tilford writes,



My Quicksilver 867 DOES run 10.4.11. I bought the Mini SPECIFICALLY 
because it had 10.4.2 on it and included 10.4.2 system CDs, ON PURPOSE 
BECAUSE I WANTED IT to be my Sims Mac! 10.4.3 and up FRICKIN BOLLOXES 
The Sims Create-a-Sim, Wardrobe and Pet Adoption graphics, OK? It was 
buy the Mini with 10.4.2 or DOWNGRADE THE QUICKSILVER (which came with 
10.4.7 on it, then I updated it to 10.4.8, 10.4.9; I skipped the 10.4.10 
update but went to 10.4.11) -- because playing Sims on it with that 
graphics bolloxing had been DRIVING ME INSANE, and it's a royal pain in 
the butt to be rebooting from the Tiger drive just to make a new sim, or 
going back and forth to the iBook to do the same thing! Yes, that's the 
original Sims, not the newer Sims 2 or Sims 3 games -- I don't like the 
new versions (got to try Sims 2 at a friend's house, didn't like it and 
don't like what I saw of Sims 3 either). And for the zillionth time -- I 
DON'T WANT TO give up the "old stuff," I ENJOY IT, remember?


I apologize to newer G-Listers for blowing up like this, but there's 
been this "thing" going on for years around here because I run older 
Macs and older OS's and do not want to upgrade because the older 
Macs/OS's do what *I* want to do with my computers. Yeah I was an OS 9 
diehard too and got "kicked" to OS X at all when I got the 
aforementioned 867 Quicksilver.


That said, time to move on here:

Preferences>Network>Bluetooth and turn it off (or even delete it using 
the "-" button IF you have no bluetooth devices you're using now).>


The delay was I couldn't remember if "shift key + power button" IS 
actually how to safe boot (I've never had to actually DO it that I 
recall; safe booting is something I've only heard OF -- my Macs rarely 
give me trouble), and I didn't know how to turn off the Bluetooth once I 
got there, and I got sleepy/had to go to bed shortly after writing last 
night, so didn't catch the confirmation and instructions until this 
morning. But now I'm awake, got it, and I just tried it. Well, I tried a 
safe boot, anyway: and I got exactly the same thing I was upset about 
yesterday -- the Bluetooth dialog box whining at me for a bluetooth 
mouse, with the cursor frozen in the top left of the screen. I did it 
twice, same thing happened.


Now I'm wondering if I should try an archive-reinstall...but to me that 
seems kind of drastic. Is there anything less drastic I can try?


Thanks,

~Yersinia.

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I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[icanswing]

Hi,
What brand of LCD monitors will work on my Mac g4?  It has 2 hookups one is VGA 
and the other is ADC.

They never specify the hookups on the description on the monitors.  But I'm 
thinking that viewsonic may be the ones that are compatible with macs.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Paula

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Re: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, icanswing wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> What brand of LCD monitors will work on my Mac g4?  It has 2 hookups one is 
> VGA and the other is ADC.
> 
> They never specify the hookups on the description on the monitors.  But I'm 
> thinking that viewsonic may be the ones that are compatible with macs.
> 
> Any suggestions?



'any'.

VGA is VGA  is VGA, so any VGA compatible one is ok. Viewsonic does make quite 
good monitors, so that's an excellent choice.

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Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

[Richard Gerome]

Hey Yersinia,
   I'm wondering if you ran a software update right before this happened??? If 
so they always bring up those blue tooth updates and I always delete them and 
what ever I do not use or need... If something does slip through I open up the 
HD and go to applications folder and delete anything in there I do not use or 
need... If you can change the settings for software updates to "never check for 
them" and do it manually do it???  You may have to do a clean and reinstall 
(make sure you save any files to a USB storage device or even an iPod if you 
have one), when it's done do your software updates manually even if you have to 
go to Apples website to find the right OS update in their archives (but I think 
you said your CD is 10.4.2 and that is what you are using?) if not and you 
can't run the latest OS 10.4.11, find the one you need in the archives from 
Apple's website... I'm thinking if you didn't run any software updates maybe 
someone else did and didn't tell you??? I always delete stuff out of my machine 
that I do not use because it frees it up and runs a little faster... There is a 
program out there too and it's free "monolingual 1.3.9" to delete all the 
languages out that you don't use, when you run this program it takes a very 
long time to run so it removes a whole lot of languages (I never realized there 
were that many)... Sometimes it's just easier to do a clean and reinstall 
instead of spending hrs or days trying to fix it...




-Original Message-
>From: "===( )8>" 
>Sent: May 10, 2010 10:04 AM
>To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!
>
>Kris Tilford writes,
>
>
>
>My Quicksilver 867 DOES run 10.4.11. I bought the Mini SPECIFICALLY 
>because it had 10.4.2 on it and included 10.4.2 system CDs, ON PURPOSE 
>BECAUSE I WANTED IT to be my Sims Mac! 10.4.3 and up FRICKIN BOLLOXES 
>The Sims Create-a-Sim, Wardrobe and Pet Adoption graphics, OK? It was 
>buy the Mini with 10.4.2 or DOWNGRADE THE QUICKSILVER (which came with 
>10.4.7 on it, then I updated it to 10.4.8, 10.4.9; I skipped the 10.4.10 
>update but went to 10.4.11) -- because playing Sims on it with that 
>graphics bolloxing had been DRIVING ME INSANE, and it's a royal pain in 
>the butt to be rebooting from the Tiger drive just to make a new sim, or 
>going back and forth to the iBook to do the same thing! Yes, that's the 
>original Sims, not the newer Sims 2 or Sims 3 games -- I don't like the 
>new versions (got to try Sims 2 at a friend's house, didn't like it and 
>don't like what I saw of Sims 3 either). And for the zillionth time -- I 
>DON'T WANT TO give up the "old stuff," I ENJOY IT, remember?
>
>I apologize to newer G-Listers for blowing up like this, but there's 
>been this "thing" going on for years around here because I run older 
>Macs and older OS's and do not want to upgrade because the older 
>Macs/OS's do what *I* want to do with my computers. Yeah I was an OS 9 
>diehard too and got "kicked" to OS X at all when I got the 
>aforementioned 867 Quicksilver.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>~Yersinia.
>


Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are 
going...

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Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 9, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> 
> Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the
> PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. 

No the i7 is actually very slightly faster, Ghz for Ghz. A 2.7 GHZ system is 
clocked about 8% faster than a 2.6 but the i7 score 7.79 is 99.5% of the G5s.

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Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

[===( )8>]

Okay update -- all seems to be good now.

Was having problems with safe booting (three times total, holding shift 
and power to boot up gave me that same Bluetooth nonsense with the stuck 
cursor), and I had forgotten about OPTION-restart. I should also 
mention, on account of the stuck cursor, I reseated the Mini's 
connections to the KVM switch. Dunno if it helped, but at least I 
thought of it and did it. A Google search leading to a PDF manual for my 
Mini reminded me of Option-Restart, so I did that, and THEN held down 
shift while restarting, and THEN my Mini booted in Safe Mode (it told me 
it was in safe mode and asked me to log in, which it didn't do before, 
so apparently those prior attempts to boot in safe mode were totally 
malfunctional).


In any case, now that I was in, yes, I went to System Prefs, found 
Bluetooth and shut it all the hell down. I honestly have no idea how it 
got turned on in the first place!


Just did a normal restart (from the Mini's Apple menu) and all's well 
with that too. Guess I can put my Mini's system CDs away now. ;-)


Thank you!

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Re: Beige G3 not booting from CD!

[Manuel Marques]

Oh, right! Yes, I've noticed that the space between the PSU fan and
the motherboard is really small in the desktop G3, so I might need
those low-profile modules.

Thanks for the info!

MM

On May 9, 7:29 pm, Len Gerstel  wrote:
> On May 9, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Manuel Marques wrote:
>
> > But the low-profile SIMMs are for the VRAM, correct? The RAM modules
> > are standard PC-66 low-density ones, right?
>
> vram modules are different than simms. vrams are smaller and look like  
> laptop memory.
>
> The ram modules are standard pc-66 low density. HOWEVER, there were 2  
> specs for some reason as to the size of the actual sticks. IIRC, they  
> were either 1 1/4" or 1 and 1/2" tall. The taller ones would not fit  
> in a desktop beige without removing the fan shroud and the shorter  
> ones fit fine with the fan shroud on.
>
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Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

[===( )8>]

Richard Gerome writes,

< I'm wondering if you ran a software update right before this happened??? >

[snip]

Nope, I'm keeping this machine totally UN-updated! ;-) LOL

Thank goodness it's fixed now. But thank you for writing.

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Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

[===( )8>]

Richard Gerome writes,

< I'm wondering if you ran a software update right before this happened??? >

[snip]

Nope, I'm keeping this machine totally UN-updated! ;-) LOL

Thank goodness it's fixed now. But thank you for writing.

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Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

[Clark Martin]

On 5/10/10 10:04 AM, ===( )8> wrote:

Okay update -- all seems to be good now.

Was having problems with safe booting (three times total, holding shift
and power to boot up gave me that same Bluetooth nonsense with the stuck
cursor), and I had forgotten about OPTION-restart. I should also
mention, on account of the stuck cursor, I reseated the Mini's
connections to the KVM switch. Dunno if it helped, but at least I
thought of it and did it. A Google search leading to a PDF manual for my
Mini reminded me of Option-Restart, so I did that, and THEN held down
shift while restarting, and THEN my Mini booted in Safe Mode (it told me
it was in safe mode and asked me to log in, which it didn't do before,
so apparently those prior attempts to boot in safe mode were totally
malfunctional).


It might well have been a problem with the KVM switch.  That would 
account for the "stuck cursor" (no mouse connection), the failure to 
safe boot (no keyboard connection) and possibly the bogus bluetooth 
mouse (maybe, because it didn't see a wired mouse and figured you had a 
bluetooth mouse).






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Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?

[Frank J . R . Hanstick]

Hello,
	Which PowerPC G4?  There are several flavors.  MPC-7450,  
MPC-7441/7451, MPC-7445/7455, MPC-7447/7457, and MPC-7448.
	Motorola no long manufactures µP's.  Freescale has now taken over the  
µP production of G4's.  G5's were and still are manufactured by IBM.   
I would like to see Freescale produce a non-µController version of a  
dual e600 core (the MPC-7448 core).
	I could not run Cinebench 11.529 because it no longer supports G4's  
(although I can run the CPU test since it does support 32-bit G5; but,  
not the OpenGL).  I could not find an earlier version of Cinebench to  
test the dual 1.73 GHz MPC-7448 in my system.  Does anyone know where  
I can get an earlier version?  The rating for Geekbench is 1398.  The  
OpenMark rating of the ATI Radeon 9800 @ 1440 x 900 x 32 was 9331.


On May 10, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On May 9, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:



Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of  
the

PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors.


No the i7 is actually very slightly faster, Ghz for Ghz. A 2.7 GHZ  
system is clocked about 8% faster than a 2.6 but the i7 score 7.79  
is 99.5% of the G5s.


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Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

[===( )8>]

Clark Martin writes,

account for the "stuck cursor" (no mouse connection), the failure to 
safe boot (no keyboard connection) and possibly the bogus bluetooth 
mouse (maybe, because it didn't see a wired mouse and figured you had a 
bluetooth mouse).>


Oh wow! Yeah, the KVM acting momentarily wonky DOES sound like a 
possible explanation. Oh wait, how's THIS (although I have no idea how 
Bluetooth prefs got turned on in the Mini in the first place):


Yup, yesterday I WAS messing around with "wiring back there"-- my "new" 
wireless router (another used D-Link 2.4 GHz) had died, and, since all 
that stuff (router/ethernet hub when router is dead, DSL modem, 
printer's Farallon ethernet thingie and the KVM box) lives in a major 
nest of wires, maybe it's possible some things got a little tugged 
on/loosened by mistake when I had to remove the dead router and hook 
everything back up to the ethernet hub (till I can get another 
router...sigh). Still though, that was late morning/early afternoon, and 
all was well throughout the day and evening going back and forth between 
the Mini to Sim and the Quicksilver to do stuff online, until late last 
night. For a reason I can't recall anymore, I had shut down my Sims 
game, gone to the Quicksilver to do something else for a bit, and 
decided I'd let the game reboot while I was taking my shower -- only to 
discover on going back to the Mini to reboot the game, I got that 
Bluetooth stuff!


I think I'm getting too old for this..

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RE: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[Stewie de Young]

> 
> 'any'.
> 
> VGA is VGA  is VGA, so any VGA compatible one is ok. Viewsonic does make 
> quite good monitors, so that's an excellent choice.
> 
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The only thing you have to watch is that your video card can output what the 
monitor requires.
If you have something like a radeon 7500 32mb which can handle 1024 x 768 and 
then buy a 24" LCD that needs 1920 x 1080 then the card will not drive the 
monitor.
Check the specs of both before you get the monitor.

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Re: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[TVirkkala]

My ViewSonic is a great monitor . . .


'any'.

VGA is VGA  is VGA, so any VGA compatible one is ok. Viewsonic does  
make quite good monitors, so that's an excellent choice.


. . . but when I'd hooked it up to the VGA adapter off my iMac, its  
visual quality was NOT great. Only when hooked up to DVI on my G5  
tower or off my MacBook Pro (where it is now) does it look OK.


This ViewSonic (VP2365WB) pivots. Pivoting wasn't supported by the  
G5's video card, but is by my current MacBook. And, like I said, when  
connected by VGA, it had strange horizontal lines running across the  
screen, as if the backlite tubes could be individually detected behind  
the pixels. Don't know what caused this, really. Perhaps it's too big  
a monitor to be handled by VGA. (I think it's 23 inches.)


I love my ADC monitor, by the way, an early acrylic-framed LCD 20"   
from Apple. I have it attached to my G5, in tandem with my aluminum- 
framed Apple Cinema Display, also 20". You can get 15 and 17-inch  
acrylic Apple LCDs cheap on eBay, sometimes on the LEM swap list. I  
bought both my 20" Apple displays on the swap list. Good deals. Just  
as much as a new ViewSonic, but quite lovely.


twv

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Re: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[Kris Tilford]

On May 10, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Stewie de Young wrote:

The only thing you have to watch is that your video card can output  
what the monitor requires.
If you have something like a radeon 7500 32mb which can handle 1024  
x 768 and then buy a 24" LCD that needs 1920 x 1080 then the card  
will not drive the monitor.


A 32MB Radeon 7500 will display 1920x1080, and also 1920x1440 &  
2048x1536.



Check the specs of both before you get the monitor.


This is good advice. It's just a bad example. I enjoy these kind of  
self-referencing errors, it's a type of schadenfreude, the old "pot  
calling the kettle black". You should have taken your own advice and  
checked the Radeon 7500 specs first: 


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Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?

[JoeTaxpayer]

The G4 added AltiVec a SIMD (single instruction multiple data) as a
coprocessor within the chip. It could execute 16 8 bit instructions at
once. An excellent leap at the time.
I fell in love with the G4 MDD, bought one new, and have been buying
more systems on eBay.

I maintain that if you created a metric for performance per dollar, a
used G4 dual 1.25GHz at $150 is an outlier in just what you get for
your money. Even going head to head with new PCs.

On May 10, 1:20 am, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:

> Here are the results: (My scale is this: If the Cinebench score let's say is
> 2.0, I move the decimal to the right and make it a 20.)
>
> 1400Mhz PowerPC G4 (21.0)
> 1400Mhz Intel P4         (17.0)
> 900Mhz PowerPC G3   (16.5)
> 1800Mhz PowerPC G5 (32.4)
> 1400Mhz Intel P3          (06.7)

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Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

[Clark Martin]

On 5/10/10 11:47 AM, ===( )8> wrote:

Clark Martin writes,



Oh wow! Yeah, the KVM acting momentarily wonky DOES sound like a
possible explanation. Oh wait, how's THIS (although I have no idea how
Bluetooth prefs got turned on in the Mini in the first place):


My reasoning for the Bluetooth (thin, I know) is that I believe new Macs 
will automatically look for a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard if wired 
versions aren't connected at first start up.  Now why it would decide to 
do this on an existing, operating system, I have no idea.



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Re: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[Clark Martin]

On 5/10/10 2:17 PM, TVirkkala wrote:

My ViewSonic is a great monitor . . .


'any'.

VGA is VGA is VGA, so any VGA compatible one is ok. Viewsonic does
make quite good monitors, so that's an excellent choice.


. . . but when I'd hooked it up to the VGA adapter off my iMac, its
visual quality was NOT great. Only when hooked up to DVI on my G5 tower
or off my MacBook Pro (where it is now) does it look OK.


If it's a G3 iMac then the VGA is mirroring the internal display and 
that is limited in resolution to 1024x768.  LCD displays "blur" pixels 
when they display a screen resolution less than the screen's maximum 
resolution.  That is why it's not a good idea to operate them at other 
than max resolution whenever possible.  Some monitors allow you to 
configure it to display at a 1:1 pixel ratio using only a portion of the 
screen.  It's the display trying to operate at a pixel ratio of 1.5:1 
that causes bluring.




This ViewSonic (VP2365WB) pivots. Pivoting wasn't supported by the G5's
video card, but is by my current MacBook. And, like I said, when
connected by VGA, it had strange horizontal lines running across the
screen, as if the backlite tubes could be individually detected behind
the pixels. Don't know what caused this, really. Perhaps it's too big a
monitor to be handled by VGA. (I think it's 23 inches.)


I have a 20" monitor that has a resolution of 1600 x 1200.  When I 
connected it by DVI it had problems with the display breaking up 
periodically.  But using VGA it works fine.


Your problem might be a matter of the VGA cable.  I've seen cheaper 
cables really blur the display (although I don't recall them causing 
horizontal lines.




I love my ADC monitor, by the way, an early acrylic-framed LCD 20" from
Apple. I have it attached to my G5, in tandem with my aluminum-framed
Apple Cinema Display, also 20". You can get 15 and 17-inch acrylic Apple
LCDs cheap on eBay, sometimes on the LEM swap list. I bought both my 20"
Apple displays on the swap list. Good deals. Just as much as a new
ViewSonic, but quite lovely.


I just picked up a used Dell 1280x1024 monitor at a flea market for $20.

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Re: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 10, 2010, at 2:17 PM, TVirkkala wrote:

> . . . but when I'd hooked it up to the VGA adapter off my iMac, its visual 
> quality was NOT great. Only when hooked up to DVI on my G5 tower or off my 
> MacBook Pro (where it is now) does it look OK.

make sure you were driving it at the right resolution, because if not, they 
look like crap.

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Re: Safari

[Stephen Conrad]

Is there a NoScript version for Safari?
I have it for Firefox (and even then I get Script Not Responding warnings
from time to time)
I have Click to Flash installed so Flash leaves me alone

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Peter  wrote:

> I think you are barking at the wrong tree. Mostly this kind of issues come
> from scripts running on websites. MySpace and Facebook both are using lots
> of scripts on their websites that can make a web browser unresponsive.
>
> Peter M.
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> Sent from my BlackBerry®
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> *Date: *Mon, 10 May 2010 05:28:06 -0500
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> I have decided that next to Opera Safari is the biggest piece of crap out
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> I quit it earlier and in only a few hours I was getting "Application Not
> Responding"
> Now I don't have many tabs open, in fact in the past I have had more and
> not had this problem
>
> Tabs I have open
> --
> Gmail
> The Daily Pages
> The Daily Kitten
> MySpace
> Facebook (noth are my page)
> A text site (stories people put online)
> A friend's Facebook site
> Facebook site of a person I know
> Google Voice
> Fastmail.fm
>
> Does Apple have any plans to fix the known memory leak(s) or do they even
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Re: Safari

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

> Is there a NoScript version for Safari?
> I have it for Firefox (and even then I get Script Not Responding warnings
> from time to time)
> I have Click to Flash installed so Flash leaves me alone

Enable the Develop menu and select 'Disable javascript'

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Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I am still sticking with my Dual Dual 2.7Ghz PM G5 A1117 Late '05 and my
Reliable Sawtooth. I do have an intel Mac however, It has the quad-core
2.6Ghz i7. The G5 PM only beats it by 0.5%. Other than that, I always use my
sawtooth to write my email.
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RE: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[Stewie de Young]

> 
> On May 10, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Stewie de Young wrote:
> 
> > The only thing you have to watch is that your video card can output  
> > what the monitor requires.
> > If you have something like a radeon 7500 32mb which can handle 1024  
> > x 768 and then buy a 24" LCD that needs 1920 x 1080 then the card  
> > will not drive the monitor.
> 
> A 32MB Radeon 7500 will display 1920x1080, and also 1920x1440 &  
> 2048x1536.
> 
> > Check the specs of both before you get the monitor.
> 
> This is good advice. It's just a bad example. I enjoy these kind of  
> self-referencing errors, it's a type of schadenfreude, the old "pot  
> calling the kettle black". You should have taken your own advice and  
> checked the Radeon 7500 specs first: 
>   >
> 
Well , I was relying on my memory Chris which obviously needs the memory 
firmware update !
"This is good advice. It's just a bad example."
Yeah, the advice still stands and it is a bad example , but I'll check the 
specs next time.
The upshot is to check that they are compatible though unlike a mate of mine 
who bought a new 24" Dell monitor to plug into his Cube and it wouldn't 
recognise it until he upgraded his videocard to an nVidia 6200.

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RE: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[icanswing]

How do I find out about my video card?  I don't see anything under the system 
prefs.   I have 2 hookups on the back of my mac.  I'm guessing one is VGA.
On May 10, 2010, at 8:25:24 PM, "Stewie de Young"  
wrote:

From:   "Stewie de Young" 
Subject:RE: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4
Date:   May 10, 2010 8:25:24 PM CDT
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Reply-To:   g3-5-list@googlegroups.com


> 
> On May 10, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Stewie de Young wrote:
> 
> > The only thing you have to watch is that your video card can output 
> > what the monitor requires.
> > If you have something like a radeon 7500 32mb which can handle 1024 
> > x 768 and then buy a 24" LCD that needs 1920 x 1080 then the card 
> > will not drive the monitor.
> 
> A 32MB Radeon 7500 will display 1920x1080, and also 1920x1440 & 
> 2048x1536.
> 
> > Check the specs of both before you get the monitor.
> 
> This is good advice. It's just a bad example. I enjoy these kind of 
> self-referencing errors, it's a type of schadenfreude, the old "pot 
> calling the kettle black". You should have taken your own advice and 
> checked the Radeon 7500 specs first: 
>  >
> 
Well , I was relying on my memory Chris which obviously needs the memory 
firmware update !
"This is good advice. It's just a bad example."
Yeah, the advice still stands and it is a bad example , but I'll check the 
specs next time.
The upshot is to check that they are compatible though unlike a mate of mine 
who bought a new 24" Dell monitor to plug into his Cube and it wouldn't 
recognise it until he upgraded his videocard to an nVidia 6200.

Stewie

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Re: Safari

[Stephen Conrad]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
> On May 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>
> > Is there a NoScript version for Safari?
> > I have it for Firefox (and even then I get Script Not Responding warnings
> > from time to time)
> > I have Click to Flash installed so Flash leaves me alone
>
> Enable the Develop menu and select 'Disable javascript'


> Ok, I also noticed I have SafariBlock enabled

Under the Preferences I unclicked Enable JavaScript




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Re: Safari

[Stephen Conrad]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Stephen Conrad  wrote:

> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Bruce Johnson <
> john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>>
>> > Is there a NoScript version for Safari?
>> > I have it for Firefox (and even then I get Script Not Responding
>> warnings
>> > from time to time)
>> > I have Click to Flash installed so Flash leaves me alone
>>
>> Enable the Develop menu and select 'Disable javascript'
>
>
>> Ok, I also noticed I have SafariBlock enabled
>
> Under the Preferences I unclicked Enable JavaScript
>
>
> I had to re-enable it or you cannot use Gmail
>
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Re: WebKit Nightly

[Dan]

At 10:00 PM -0600 5/9/2010, paterfamilas wrote:

Previously, at 12:08  am -0400 5/7/10, Dan wrote:
WebKit Nightly warns about plug-ins by default - just in case the 
plug-in interfaces get changed.  It's a general warning to make you 
aware of the fact that there could be problems, so you need to keep 
up with things.


Is there something wrong about leaving them in?  Or which should I trash?


No, nothing wrong per se.  Plug-ins and InputManagers that work with 
Safari 4.0.5 should work just fine with WebKit Nightly.


Just keep in mind that they're there - and if you have problems, 
remember to disable or remove them as part of your debugging 
procedure.


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Re: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[Amanda Ward]

On 5/10/10 2:17 PM, "TVirkkala"  wrote:

> My ViewSonic is a great monitor . . .
> 
>> 'any'.
>> 
>> VGA is VGA  is VGA, so any VGA compatible one is ok. Viewsonic does
>> make quite good monitors, so that's an excellent choice.
> 
> . . . but when I'd hooked it up to the VGA adapter off my iMac, its
> visual quality was NOT great. Only when hooked up to DVI on my G5
> tower or off my MacBook Pro (where it is now) does it look OK.
> 

I have a 20" Westinghouse LCD connected to my 20" iMac and it works great.
Be sure your display settings reflect the native resolution of the LCD or it
will look kind of cruddy.

My iMac displays 1680 x 1050, but the Westinghouse LCD only displays 1400 x
1050.

Amanda


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RE: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[Stewie de Young]

Subject: RE: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4
From: icansw...@aol.com



How do I find out about my video card?  I don't see anything under the system 
prefs.   I have 2 hookups on the back of my mac.  I'm guessing one is VGA.
If you drop the door down on your ( I presume G4 ) Mac and have a look at the 
side of the card it should have something like Rage Pro or Radeon 7500. That 
will tell you which card it is.
You can also go into "About This Mac" , then "More Info", then click on the 
"Devices and Volumes" tab.
That will list all the cards you have in your Mac.
Mine is 
Slot-2
Card Typedisplay
Card Name   ATY,BlueStar
Card ModelATY,RV100
Vendor ID  1002
Device ID 5159
ROM#113-85505-110
Revision0
Card (Video) Memory32 MB

which is basically an ATI Radeon 7000 32mb card

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Re: I want to get a LCD monitor for my G4

[Justin The Cynical]

icanswing wrote:

Hi,
What brand of LCD monitors will work on my Mac g4?  It has 2 hookups one is VGA 
and the other is ADC.

They never specify the hookups on the description on the monitors.  But I'm 
thinking that viewsonic may be the ones that are compatible with macs.

Any suggestions?


(coming in a bit late)

As others have said, VGA is VGA.  Mac, Windows, Linux, etc, it's pretty 
much all the same.


You mentioned that you have an ADC port on the back of your current 
video card.  An ADC port is basically a DVI connector with the extra 
Apple-only lines for analog and digital video signals, USB, and power. 
You can find ADC to DVI/VGA adapters so you can use that port with a 
standard panel as well, you will just loose the ability to power the 
panel/use any built on usb ports with a single cable.


I noticed that you said you tried a VGA cable before and it looked bad. 
 This could be caused by a low end VGA cable (analog VGA is suspect to 
cheap cables) or the resolution being sent to the panel was less than 
what the panel can produce (AKA the native resolution).  LCD panels look 
best when running them at their native resolution, otherwise they will 
generally stretch, fold, spindle and mutilate the image to fit.


I've got an older Dell panel that has a native resolution of 1680x1050 
that has been used on my old B&W G3 and G4 DA with out a single issue.



Now if you were talking about an Old World Mac, then things might be 
different as they had some 'odd' resolution settings, but would work 
with a standard VGA monitor with some fiddling (I've still got my old 15 
Way D Male to 15 Way HD Female adapter cable for my pizza box performa).


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